Hmm...maybe combine what you did + how john bonham played it = a good in between....idk man I half dug it...but the other half is like "it could be a little more...but also a little less, because that straight sound kills it for me personally" i love this song, heartbreaker, and living loving maid....but this felt like a butcher... but YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. Sorry my ear is very particular....maybe its just me...
It's interesting to note that after John Bonham died preparing for their tour in 1980, Led Zeppelin attempted to use a Roland CR-78 as their new drummer.
@@mr.anderson70 Where did you here that story? I've never heard or read anything that even hinted that they wanted to continue as a group after his death. Especially for Plant, as he & Bonham were friends for years before joining Zeppelin.
I'm one of those "feel" guitarists who never counts anything out (I know, I know, *groan*) but I still enjoy these types of videos. The one you did on the drum intro to Rock and Roll and also about the 24-bar sections in it helped me understand the song a lot better.
Massively useful for new drummers starting out, embellishments come later. Used to jam with a guy who played straight to everything. It sounded like we were on a train, but we felt like rock stars.
You should listen and/or try it with the live version. The song sounds like straight 4/4 with maybe some wonky time due to the a’cappella vocal. I’m not sure what’s up with the studio version but it sounds like the pickup for the main riff is a bar of 3/4 and then the next bar starts with the bent note on 1 in 4/4. The pickup is five notes, not three, which throws listeners off and turns the riff around. In the live version they completely omit the 3/4 bar and step on the vocal a bit.
I personally think playing a straight beat over black dog makes it more confusing, especially when you’re making the chorus start on the 2 beat. Sometimes you just have to feel it.
I love the mystery of trying to come in with the band after the vocal line when I play along with the song cause it's so random. I noticed that the first time, there's a long wait(like between a 3 and 4 count) but the second one is super short and it kinda stabilizes after that. It's still hard to always come in perfect.
I agree with the push and pull. I've tried to count out the beats and have found that challenging. It sounds great w/a straight beat. You really thought this through. Nice!
Led Zeppelin is my favourite band, period. I was lucky enough to get tickets to the O2 to see them in 2007. Couldn't believe it when we got the tickets in the lottery!! Definitely one of the highlights of my life. 🙂
I guess I'm kind of in the camp that feels like everything is going the direction of a bit much quantization, so I noticed right away those gaps were cut to keep everything in time. Interesting concept though and I do dig it with the straight beat. Bonham's beat is so trippy though juxtaposed with Page's guitar. It's almost like trying to run through mud but being slowed down to walking speed.
It's funny, I was just playing tthis last night, and it's ever so slightly swung. You can also hear the unmuting of the stick clicks if you listen close
I find "Black Dog" and "Nobody's Fault But Mine" are way easier to practice against live versions. They tend to have clearer signals to help you come in at the right time.
This wouldn't work just editing the original recording, but you actually need to cut off 1 more double time beat (or half a beat in black dogs original time). That will put this beat entirely in sync with the whole song.
Hey Mike, could you explain why you feel its a better fit to play a double-time pattern over this vs a straight time? The guitar riffs sound out of time to me over the double-time beat. In contrast, I just tried tapping out a straight time beat to the song, and that seemed to work just fine, and the guitar lines didn't sound out of time either. Thanks!
In this case it's better because if you play a normal beat with the snare on the 3 it cycles wrong and you end up with the snare on the 1 pretty quickly. With the snare on the 2 and 4 you never had that issue.
Very interesting and cool but it is weird but weird is good. I think it may actually sound cool if you keep that beat but incorporate a 5/4 beat in the spots it needs to "catch up" and let the beat even out with the guitar. Of course, that defeats the purpose of a "straight" beat through the whole song. Thats if you're referring to 4/4 as a straight beat. Lol Im gonna try it next time I get behind the set. PS like Nuno always says, guitar players make the best drummers.🤘
So, what you actually did is quantized the song to fit 4/4 time. I used to use the Beat Mapper tool in Acid Pro to get songs to fit to a grid for making remixes back in the late 1990s.
What a weird song. I feel that the pauses aren't accurate counts? Maybe? So many times the melody sounded like it got way off your 4/4 beat but then it came back. Weird.
I think there’s more value in learning the recorded version. It’s a little harder to master, but it teaches a very valuable skill, which is being able to play loose instead of tight and still make it sound good. The way the guitar lines “float” on the drums is just magic. The whole thing just feels so organic and dynamic. Locking it to a click sucks the life right out of it.
@@TheArtofGuitar I’m confused as to the purpose of coming up with an arbitrary beat to play through black dog; what’s the point and what’s it prove? Wasn’t clear to me. I get the groove is generally pretty unconventional.
I lied in the beginning, I've been obsessed with Zeppelin for decades. ;)
Hmm...maybe combine what you did + how john bonham played it = a good in between....idk man I half dug it...but the other half is like "it could be a little more...but also a little less, because that straight sound kills it for me personally" i love this song, heartbreaker, and living loving maid....but this felt like a butcher... but YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. Sorry my ear is very particular....maybe its just me...
It's interesting to note that after John Bonham died preparing for their tour in 1980, Led Zeppelin attempted to use a Roland CR-78 as their new drummer.
@@mr.anderson70 Where did you here that story? I've never heard or read anything that even hinted that they wanted to continue as a group after his death. Especially for Plant, as he & Bonham were friends for years before joining Zeppelin.
Whoever hasn't been is a Liar.
I'm one of those "feel" guitarists who never counts anything out (I know, I know, *groan*) but I still enjoy these types of videos. The one you did on the drum intro to Rock and Roll and also about the 24-bar sections in it helped me understand the song a lot better.
Therapist: Don't worry, Black Dog with straight beat doesn't exist, it can't hurt you.
Black Dog with straight beat: 1:44
I know, it's like when people auto-tune Freddie Mercury kind of.
@@TheArtofGuitar yeah, kind of. but i think autotuning him is much more sacrilegious haha
Massively useful for new drummers starting out, embellishments come later. Used to jam with a guy who played straight to everything. It sounded like we were on a train, but we felt like rock stars.
I was searching for Black Dong and accidentally came across this video - nice job!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bro what the hell😭
You should listen and/or try it with the live version. The song sounds like straight 4/4 with maybe some wonky time due to the a’cappella vocal. I’m not sure what’s up with the studio version but it sounds like the pickup for the main riff is a bar of 3/4 and then the next bar starts with the bent note on 1 in 4/4. The pickup is five notes, not three, which throws listeners off and turns the riff around. In the live version they completely omit the 3/4 bar and step on the vocal a bit.
I personally think playing a straight beat over black dog makes it more confusing, especially when you’re making the chorus start on the 2 beat. Sometimes you just have to feel it.
I love the mystery of trying to come in with the band after the vocal line when I play along with the song cause it's so random. I noticed that the first time, there's a long wait(like between a 3 and 4 count) but the second one is super short and it kinda stabilizes after that. It's still hard to always come in perfect.
Love those kind of videos. Please make more
I've always been waiting for this video! It really shows Bonham's genius.
Sounds like how Phil Rudd would play this song, only without so many cymbal rides and crashes. 🥁
I agree with the push and pull. I've tried to count out the beats and have found that challenging.
It sounds great w/a straight beat. You really thought this through. Nice!
the intro for sex on fire by kings of leon before the drums come in trips me up as well
Led Zeppelin is my favourite band, period. I was lucky enough to get tickets to the O2 to see them in 2007. Couldn't believe it when we got the tickets in the lottery!! Definitely one of the highlights of my life. 🙂
Yeah you “accidentally“ searched for black dong 😜
Freudian finger slip.
i just scrolled to this comment as he said this in the video 💀
"Typed Black Dong"...🤣😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
I guess I'm kind of in the camp that feels like everything is going the direction of a bit much quantization, so I noticed right away those gaps were cut to keep everything in time. Interesting concept though and I do dig it with the straight beat. Bonham's beat is so trippy though juxtaposed with Page's guitar. It's almost like trying to run through mud but being slowed down to walking speed.
I LOVE MAGICK MIKE. drums sound great
Wow, well done! Thanks! :)
The song feels like jimi page was keeping the band in time as if he was using his guitar as the drums and everyone was following along.
It's funny, I was just playing tthis last night, and it's ever so slightly swung. You can also hear the unmuting of the stick clicks if you listen close
No one twists brains like Mike:)
My new favorite channel.. 😗
This was great mike
I find "Black Dog" and "Nobody's Fault But Mine" are way easier to practice against live versions. They tend to have clearer signals to help you come in at the right time.
1:03 😂😂😂😂
Ouuuuuuh that's sweet !!! 🤘🤘🤘
I've got lyrics written if you wanna record Black Dong someday. Lets meet at Pachyderm Studios, just south of the metro area.
Now get a band to play that live. You might need Dream Theater for this..
Your way for sure makes it way easier to count.
Black dong -story cracked me up
Such a cool Tshirt
I know I've mentioned it before, but could you do a Greatest Guitar Techniques of Glenn Tipton/Judas Priest video? Please?
This wouldn't work just editing the original recording, but you actually need to cut off 1 more double time beat (or half a beat in black dogs original time). That will put this beat entirely in sync with the whole song.
Zeppelin is always welcome❤️
Hey Mike, could you explain why you feel its a better fit to play a double-time pattern over this vs a straight time? The guitar riffs sound out of time to me over the double-time beat. In contrast, I just tried tapping out a straight time beat to the song, and that seemed to work just fine, and the guitar lines didn't sound out of time either. Thanks!
In this case it's better because if you play a normal beat with the snare on the 3 it cycles wrong and you end up with the snare on the 1 pretty quickly. With the snare on the 2 and 4 you never had that issue.
I think that double neck got you back into zeppelin hahaha
Are those Miros behind you?
Getting into the studio at 1 a.m. just to make a short video. That is commitment!
yeah, I can play it, but I still don’t understand the timing
Very interesting and cool but it is weird but weird is good. I think it may actually sound cool if you keep that beat but incorporate a 5/4 beat in the spots it needs to "catch up" and let the beat even out with the guitar. Of course, that defeats the purpose of a "straight" beat through the whole song. Thats if you're referring to 4/4 as a straight beat. Lol Im gonna try it next time I get behind the set. PS like Nuno always says, guitar players make the best drummers.🤘
🤘🏻
Straight beat sounds like black dong.
🤣🤣🤣
omg "black dong" That made me laugh.
Oddly enough, the straight beat would make it harder to play as it kinda feels like it’s going off the rails a bit.
Feels a lot like an ‘80s remix. Cool video for concept but the “tight looseness” of the original is where the magic is.
So, what you actually did is quantized the song to fit 4/4 time. I used to use the Beat Mapper tool in Acid Pro to get songs to fit to a grid for making remixes back in the late 1990s.
Kinda but if you listen to the live version they do that anyway.
@@TheArtofGuitar yeah live they kinda strip it down to be a bit more basic
imagine looking up black dog and getting results to supreme court justice clarence thomas and long dong silver🤔😆
This is kinda funny it's like the musical equivalent of the guy who proved you can lose weight eating only Twinkies
Wait, you can??😮🤣
Lol, those ads are viciously relentless... !
Sorry, I have no control over them. That's why I never have ads of my own on my vids. They're such a bummer.
@@TheArtofGuitar No, lol.... I was typing about your accidental web search.
Oh. For sure. Not sure how to shut them off now. 🤣
I'm glad I saw this before, well, you know.
I was feeling very uncomfortable by the end. Like an awkward hook up, I don't know...
That is interesting. Never heard anyone even try a straight beat over it.
Sounds absolutely cursed, I like it.
Zedd leplin
two drum cliks u hear are 2 and 3,the riff starts back beat of 3
Searched "black dong" on Valentines day? This video feels like a cover story for the girlfriend...
What a weird song. I feel that the pauses aren't accurate counts? Maybe? So many times the melody sounded like it got way off your 4/4 beat but then it came back. Weird.
That's interesting how the vocal starts on the and of one, not on the one.
It's starting on the 1
Well, it works haha 🔥🔥❤️
Aaaaaah...
Oooooooo this brought out the stank face. That is tasty 🤘🏻😠🤘🏻
this is hella goofy bro 😂
You should be obsessed with Led Zeppelin, Mike.🙂
The Black Dog & Roll. And dong. 😏
Ahhhhhhh! make it stop! lol
Considering I am drunk right now, this feels confusing to count
I think there’s more value in learning the recorded version. It’s a little harder to master, but it teaches a very valuable skill, which is being able to play loose instead of tight and still make it sound good. The way the guitar lines “float” on the drums is just magic. The whole thing just feels so organic and dynamic. Locking it to a click sucks the life right out of it.
If Phil rudd played black dog.
Nothingtown + Black Dog
Yeah, but can you play a straight beat over the Patrick Swayze movie Black Dog?
The purpose of this?
What do you mean?
@@TheArtofGuitar I’m confused as to the purpose of coming up with an arbitrary beat to play through black dog; what’s the point and what’s it prove? Wasn’t clear to me. I get the groove is generally pretty unconventional.
That was horrible
You loved it! 🤣
@@TheArtofGuitar 😖
Yeaaaahhh my ears did not like that lol
black dong 😂😂😂😂
Black dong hahahahahaha
This hurt my brain, but in a good way!