Doom II: Sunder - Map 15 (Babylon's Chimera) UV-Max in
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Runner: Zero-Master
Date: 2022-01-25
IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Sunder 2407.wad
Category: UV-Max
Map: 15 (Babylon's Chimera)
Source Port: DSDA-Doom v0.22.5
Time: 1:27:02
Description:
Plutonia was just warmup for old Sunder, while old Sunder was just warmup for... more Sunder of course! Map 15 was the first new map for Sunder after Insane_Gazebo made his return after several years of absence.
There were no non-TAS demos of this level done yet, probably because this wad isn't finished so any demo might desync in the future on new versions. While this level is quite long, it is not very difficult at any point, partially because of various cheese strategies. The route I used is all about surviving, so time could go significantly lower. So don't look forward to the final fight, you'll probably be disappointed :)
I don't know if this will lead to a max of map 19 (or map 16), but I will at least do map 31 and 32. Though I did a second playthrough of map 19 over the last few days where I made a lot of progress on a route. I might do some other wads/levels in between and I have no idea when I'll finish the next levels. My previous runs were uploaded weekly for the most part, that definitely won't be continuing here.
Demo is recorded with sunder v2407 (the latest version at the time of recording).
Comments about this run:
Forgot to activate a switch by revenants teleporters in the cyber/cacodemon fight before BFG. Think I nearly died at the end of this arena when I got hit by some unexpected revenant rockets, but they did some low damage rolls.
After dropping down to the arch-vile/chaingunner ambush I somehow managed to take 3 arch-vile blasts, never once did I get hit by them in practice, so a bit unfortunate here. I made sure to be careful about avoiding being thrown into the lava though, don't think there's a way up, made the next fight a bit more close than it needed to be. Used too many cells also because of it, which did put in me in trouble in the imp/rev lock in room.
Once dropping down to the next area I could have done better to avoid taking the direct cyberdemon rocket, luckily there's a soulsphere and mega armor there.
The arena past red key door was a complete disaster at the start. This is were I expected to have the highest chance of dying, but then again I never had problems with it when I practiced. The arch-viles were hard to deal with and I got double cyberdemons in the center. Took a while before I could get the opportunity to kill the last one.
The fight after red key fight I had all the cyberdemons die.. every time in practice I would have 4-5 of them alive so I was surprised by how slow the infighting was going. You really want to be careful running up the stairs because you can't see anything from all the corpses and a cyberdemon rocket could end it, but that's obviously no issue this time.
I have no idea what I did at the fight at the bottom of the stairs with the double cyberdemons... this is as easy and straightforward as it gets, just keep your distance and spam BFG as you have a ton of ammo. Somehow it was a perfect combo of nonsense at the worst possible time, I deserved to die there, but I got lucky.
I made a real mess out of the revenant/pinky fight next to the final room, had a lot of revenant projectiles on me and I wanted to get rid of them so I don't go from nearly full health to dead in an instant. But when trying to get rid of them it got out of control and I let too many revenants out and had to take it slow.
Somehow I had lots of cells left over after the final area, I was always very low in practice, must have been good infighting.
Skipped the exit linedef at the end and cost me a second :)
Route/Strategy:
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I don't know what to say to compliment you not only for this run, but for your dedication and ultimately success in Sunder so far. When I first saw these maps through decino's livestreams, I never expected that anyone would do single segment runs of these. Ends up that people had already done this and you are doing it even faster. Simply incredible. Thanks for the entertainment!
Decino loves infighting too much 😀😀😀. Other than that he’s ok. Good enough to supply Zero Master with drinks on his incredible runs 😀😀
@@thetruthspeaks8702 Yeah I mean he stated on various occasions that he considers himself a casual player and is not trying to compare to doomgods. Still, he is a much better player than I am and all these doom achievements impress me.
@@thetruthspeaks8702 Yeah... the most important thing for Decino - Infight
@@thetruthspeaks8702 infighting is very useful in those maps in which ammo is gonna be tight.
@@ravagerslb I agree. But even when a few enemies are left and he (Decino) is loaded with ammo, he still makes them infight. He gets a kick out of it. I’m not a hater because I watch all his content. But Zero Master is a real master.
What an atmospheric map. Gorgeous design!
So good, single segment UV Max with 100% items, >5.5k kills, incredible. The best was at 1:00:16 as you mention with that cyber double rocket hit dropping you from 200 to 16 health in an instant, and the shell shocked "can... can I get that mega? Is this for real?". What a moment 🤣... Thanks man, brilliant stuff.
Lmao, great moment for sure
Indeed, I think 1 shot was 147 (almost reaching max roll dmg) ,and the other was max dmg roll . Even some doom gods tremble when seeing that.
23:26, we just like those
Zero Master, the Master of Glide!
Not only this map is a masterpiece, as it resembles ancient cultures building structures pretty well, but Zero Master shows his skills in a legendary run.
I guess this is a new record and you didn't have to beat Okuplok this time, since this map is relatively new and didn't exist back then.
This has been all an endurance test, and proves by far you are definitely one of the chosen ones.
Player of the Doom World Elite, I salute you, and I will follow you to whatever UV projects you chose to come next. But if suggestions accepted, Dark Tartarus would make my day, month and year.
A few people were saying zero master wasn't going to do new sunder, I guess they forgot to inform zero master xD
This is a piece of art within a piece of art.
People here are saying they didn't expect you to play past Map14 and they weren't the only ones.
I'm speechless.
Sunder is in my opinion a work of art. The maps vastness, complexity and attention to detail is breataking. Its like looking at a Da Vinci or Michelangelo. My farvorite map is the furnace. Somehow it reminds me of the mines of moria from the Lord og the rings, combined with its simple yet ominous ambient music.
The glide glitch is known for so long now. I wonder why still you/mappers dont make the gaps between bars a little bit smaller so that players cant glitch through? Just wondering^^
@@De-M-oN I was actually unfamiliar with speed-running techniques like glides back when I made the original maps. I just didn't watch demos very often.
I was finally made aware of them when I returned, but when maps get really big it just gets easier to miss stuff both by me and the testers.
Can't really answer for other mappers, though.
Oh god, he really is going for the new Sunder maps. Godspeed you absolute madman
These runs are the best content in youtube
I remember watching Decino grind this map for hours
Meanwhile Zero Master: "While this level is quite long, it is not very difficult at any point"
That's the most beautiful Doom map I've ever seen. It looked very middle-eastern, like Mogul architecture.
Serious Sam had already sparked my curiosity about Mesopotamian architecture. This map earned it my attention. It's so sick to look at! 🤩
Once I ran a half-marathon in approximately 1,5 hours. So, this level is like a half-marathon of Doom!
The architecture is pretty epic, "Babylon's Chimera" really fits.
You're freaking insane with these runs man
It's crazy how much thought you put into every segment of this map. How long does each map take you to route and complete?
well it varies a lot, even though this one is nearly 90 minutes it took less time to both route and complete compared to map14 which was under 10 minutes and took quite some time with both routing and attempts. If I had set a goal of under 60 minutes it would have been very different (assuming that's even possible). So essentially however long it takes to reach a certain goal, but if the goal is to survive or the time goal is pretty easy then the answer is not long... at least so far.
@@ZeroMaster I didn't even realize it was 90 minutes until now, wow! How many hours do you dedicate to this every day?
Truth is this took 90 minutes total of zero masters life and this is his blind run
Who'd a thought Hell could be so beautiful!
I posted a video of a map 16 max recently, and in my opinion that map is not that bad if you use decent strategies, honestly. Especially for you. Also, how about map 20?
nice, I only played through it once so I don't really know if it will be difficult yet. Map 20 I would expect to be no problem.
@@ZeroMaster that cyberdemon wave thought... Might be troublesome
23:15 Of course ZM couldn't live with himself if he didn't break the map in any which way.
This is big. Love your videos.
Since you primarily post UV speeds and don’t seem to be the “high challenge” UV max-er type I was certainly expecting you to call it done after map 14. But this is totally a welcome surprise!
1:15:22 How easy is that glide though? I freaked out just looking at you do it! You are more than 1 hour into the run, and can be hit by a rocket at the back if you don't do it quick enough.
Glides are common enough in your speedrun, but a glide with an urgency is not so common. This is worth watching just as much than a regular fight!
This is the exact same glide as map02 in doom2, so it's something I have done 1000+ times by now and so it's no issue.
Though MAP02 doesn't have five Cyberdemons coming up behind you. But a Master can shrug that off, no problem.
@@T3sl4 yeah map02 just has 20 shotgun hitscanners spawning like crazy on nightmare difficulty. in my opinion map02 is definitely the harder situation since the long hallway allows for time before u can get rocketed in the back. the hitscanners dont work that way.
@@T3sl4 the real trip was when he was rocketted by the triple cyberdemon and went from basically full hp/arm to 12% hp, luckily he was standing next to a megasphere AND the cyberdemons did die.
@@dantedeloden That stare of disbelief, of not having just wasted an exact hour of intense concentration, *chefs kiss*
This map is quite the masterpiece.
It's like watching Picasso paint a masterpiece or Mozart composing a symphony. Simply beautiful. Well played good sir!
31:49 that sliding imp corpse lol...
You even stopped firing just to watch the spectacle.
Ladies and gentlemen. Zero Master. Please applause 👏👏
The madman went for it after all!
Absolute Madlad...
I swear the doomguy's face looks different, when Zero Master is playing. His look is more badass.
That's coz it's his (Zero Master) identity photo. He is Doomguy irl.
These maps are so visually impressive. I'd have loved to have played that back in the 90's but then again my x486 would likely have gone up in smoke if I tried running any of the wads.
Just looking the video makes me exhausted
Absolute MAD LAD!
This is amazing. One of my favorite Sunder maps. I did not expect you to go for this titan of a map but you crushed it!
Majestic level, beautiful soundtrack. Another piece of art...
Always a joy to watch.
I honestly didn’t expect you to go past map 14.
The orange and blue in this are such a unique and beautiful combination.
There's cohesion to the detail, yet it still looks like pure chaos.
Shows how seasoned Insane_Gazebo is as a mapmaker
@@doomfan9319
The contrast can't be stated enough. Only thing I'd have done differently was add more water, in pools and falls, to contrast the lavafalls.
I just saw someone did this and I thought "more than hour?" Omg, and I'm roorting to see how Zero Master do this one.
amazing! Zero Master is from the future that's my conclusion. also this midi? BANGERRR
WTF?!? That first level is fucking packed
I... am not even sure maps that big were designed with single-segment _playthroughs_ in mind, let alone speedruns.
Knowing you, I suspect that you might try a more aggressive route eventually, but even so, I don't expect this to be beaten by anyone else anytime soon.
7:13 Neo would be proud!
Haha😅
who know, is Zero master human or program?
i realy did'n understand... O.O
Hybrid 😁
He's Zero Master.
Really great run. I enjoy your style of play over all other Doom youtubers.
31:50 - That corpse LOL
I know what Im doing tonight ! 87min :)
The scale of this map is insane.
You sir are a god among doomers
I've heard this MIDI before from watching decino runs. Great song to jam to while watching Zero Master do their thing!
You hear it in Jenesis, you hear it in Valiant, and now here. It's an excellent track.
Has to be my favorite map out of Sunder. Beautiful architecture 👌 And beautiful gameplay as always 😎👍
Music too
Even before enjoying this massive carnage of a level... I just am damn curious: how long it took you to plan the route, memorize and test before recording this?
forgot to answer this.. anyways, I don't exactly know, but surprisingly it was significantly shorter than map14 as in this case nearly every arena has some obvious strategy.. like the pit fight near the end, bfg the arch-viles + rockets on the barons, there's just no other way to do it so that's basically it and I can move on after practicing it a couple of times.
Then you have arenas like the one after the bfg area and all the small health vials which is more chaotic so it takes more time. I just try different stuff until something works and then I'll test it several times, say 3-5 times in a row (obviously I can skip practicing running around barons that will never hit me).
Now one important thing I do is I come back to stuff at a later time, too often something just works in practice but never in attempts or I just forget exactly what to do, so I try to spread practice out over a few days to get more used to things or see if something else goes wrong when I haven't just before spent time on it. That way I can also identify anything that's easy to forget so it's easier to prepare for it.
Finally I'll do at least one full test run to check ammo management and for any other surprises that I might have missed. So yeah in summary it just largely depends on the complexity of the fights, if it's running around barons with a rocket launcher you only need to practice it once, but if it's anything like the main fight in map14 then it takes forever to work out the details.
@@ZeroMaster thanks for the answers, very interesting and helpful, will try a similar approach. I usually have too less patience or time to study properly and enjoy the thrills of eventual fails directly in recording. Thrills and frustrations ahah
Nowadays I can spend only 20-30min per day to gaming.
Having watched the movie now, I do follow your idea about this level, seems there's less strategies than in previous maps. Again awesome result with sunder so far!
absolute madman
More doom porn. Oh yeah! Thanks for another amazing run =)
12:22 - WTF? Super strong Revenant?
you're insane i thought you'd end with old sunder. you're insane!
This is too much...I can't believe you completed this whole slaughter map zero...why are you soooooo raw at doom?! Best doomer ever
Regardless of how unforgivingly difficult it is, Sunder has got to be the prettiest WAD I've ever seen
Was watching a playthrough of Sunder's map 20 recently thinking of how gorgeous it looks
The architecture all feels cosmically large and cold. If kid me could see in the 90s I'd have gone bonkers
Sunder with no monsters makes for a great walking sim. And I'm not saying that derisively.
01:00:15 wow!! I never thought i would see senpai Zero breathing hes life back in.
Knew there would be a comment on this moment
Look how perplexed he was after that too. lmao
LMAO 1:18 the monster counter goes significantly up because of the arch-vile resurrects
12:20 - revenant simply ignores the direct BFG hit
BRUH
Blockmap bug?
He wasn't hit by any tracers due to bad angle. BFG balls are notorious for doing very unreliable random damage - up to 800, yes, but also can be as low as 100. That's why you try to use BFG against crowds or at close range - making sure the invisible bulk of its power doesn't go to waste.
@@kelleroid Yep. A bad BFG shot can even fail to kill a pinky.
#triplecrown This map is a beast. Some amazing architecture here, of course they only get bigger from here on in
And I watched it pretty much one sitting too. Not bad for someone who can't get through a viewing of Map 31 of Eviternity
Awesome map!
40:00 you know the fights getting real when the pain elementals aren't even a target yet
This map as beautiful as it is punishing. Someday I hope to be skilled enough to beat it without saving.
12:48 the BigMacDavis syndrom ^^
Nice run once again, congrats!
I have to go to work so I've only seen about 10 min but I'm pumped!! I was so happy to see you doing new sunder :D So does this mean maybe map 18??
now i know, why cyberdemon has these quads and glutes. this many stairs
I cannot believe it! If you can UV-Max map 19, it will be greatest achievement of all time!
P.S. Have you had problems with FPS?
P.P.S. How many attempts did you have to make?
I record the demo playing with opengl so there are hardly any fps issues (video is made in software though). As for attempts there were only a few early deaths.
Hey, Roman, dsda-doom in open-gl almost rarely lags. if you do encounter problems that are too severe,I recommend using the source-port Woof, which didnt even lag that hard for me when playing a level with 40k monsters out in the open at once.
@@hajo5400 40K? what the fuck were playing, okuplok x1000?
@@robowisanveithasung6022 SlaughterMax map 28 or Antaresian Reliquary map 31
@@hajo5400yikes
"While this level is quite long, it is not very difficult at any point"
Well, for humans is difficult enough.
Question: wouldn't it be more efficient to initiate that last fight through the glide and then do the pit sequence or the pinky revenant fight around it?
the reason I didn't do it immediately is because I need the ammo on the inside (100 rockets + 600 cells), but doing it before the rev/pinky fight could probably have been better, but I also need to put myself in line of sight of the monsters inside to get infighting going, so I'm not sure how much time it would save.. but yeah it was just easier to survive this way.
@@ZeroMaster i see. I guess i am so used to seeing you skip everything to mop up the remains later. I can also see going for the safer strat is appealing after an hour
Good job! I think that bunch of cacodemons would have eaten me. :)
1.5 hrs ? YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS! going to watch it. Cookin' popcorn now.
This is one of the best maps and definitely the *best* music from Sunder, you can't change my mind
Well Jenesis and Valiant both used it first, but I get your point c:
Players fear Sunder
Sunder fears Zero Master
You just made my entire week! Thanks Zero Master!
It was interesting watching you do most of the fights regularly. I am used to watching you basically skip the entire map and then mop it all up but this was cool to watch it progressed in generally the intended order. Except for the last fight of course. As usual thank you for the great content.
The demo time averages out to almost 1 monster killed every second :)
I cannot wait for the next couple maps man, nice vid
No fucking way! You're doing the new maps!
This map is beautiful and majestic! What an impressive map and run! I am loving your Sunder gameplay ZM! Looking foward for the next map! This one definitely felt much easier than previous map, but as you explained was mostly due to "cheese" strategies. Regardless, amazing job and keep it up! :D
12:20 extra calcium boy
Greetings Zeromaster/Doomguy I was informed of you through a channel run by a guy named Karl, and it seems what he says is true. I'm typically very busy . However what I have been able watch is Amazing. Long live your title as the greatest Doom player Ever.
@computergamer888 You remind me of myself years ago. I was a solitary doomer, and looking forward new exciting content, I came across new stuff (wads and mods) and heard of Elite Players, Doomers with exceptional skills far beyond the best players out there to be, like Zero Master for example, and joined doom multiplayer community just in the hope to meet those legends.
I succeeded and met some of them, and oh boy, they are up to the Legends spoken of.
What a level.
Grear work. These next two and specifically map 32 im super excited to see the work you do.
Yup, I'll be looking forward to map 32
I know Sunder is famous for massive maps, but holy shit!
gg wp Zero Master
holy fuck he's doing it. the madman is actually doing it. have there been *any* other uv-max runs of new sunder?
This shouldve been the doom movie
All jokes aside, great run!
best looking doom map i've ever seen. Crazy run as well, of course.
There were so many monsters to kill. But I thought it was incredible that there so much ammo lying around. That is a lucky break. I wonder who left it there?
My money's on Insane Gazebo.
Has anyone seen Sandro's run? Non-TAS I think and 1:13:36
See
ua-cam.com/video/JxJL5W-Nlag/v-deo.html
Sandro uses another version of Doom engine, where it is allowed to look up and down. Formally, it is not absolutely correct Doom speedrun. But I appreciated Sandro's video very highly. Thanks for the link!
@@sempersasha : Yes Freelook. I am now aware of this, I was not at the time when I posted. This was implemented in Heretic I think. So yes, thanks for the info.
Nice! I love Sunder! Thank You, Zero Master!
I like how the sunder maps don’t just dish out BFGs unless or until it’s necessary. Vaporizing everything in an arena doesn’t require much skill.
I would really like to know how that slipping through the bars exploit(if I can call it that) works. In one of the first Sunder maps, I managed to escape the room with barons and revenants, and get on the other side of the bars, only to see couple of individual f*****g skeletons pass right through it. I'm using GZDoom with Brutal Doom mod and it's working fine so far. I respect your skill, sir.
This is just an absolute joy to watch. The map, the run, the lot! Love it all. 😁
Genuinely curious here if anyone can answer me. Are there any other Doom players who do this sort of thing? ZeroMaster might be the only person i've seen do non TAS single segment runs of maps like this where shit probably takes 101 hours of study to remember everything and then also so much patience/precision not to make a mistake since there are probably atleast 10 different parts where something is likely to occur to most people. I've never seen someone else doing something like Sunder without TAS or saves.
Arbyss550 has done the first 14 maps in a row(that is, a D2ALL of the 2009 version that's on DSDA), and Daerik similarly does marathon-length UV-Max movies of all sorts of hardcore megawads.
It was amusing to see Zero Master squeeze back through the bars and watch the final army of demons infight itself to death, but it terrifies me to think of having to nail a speed trick on the first try when you're seventy minutes into the run.
The thing is, ZM is so practiced at gliding that it's almost instinctual for him by now.
So you are the first to do it ? No saves UV-Max ? Sick
@zeromaster, is sunder by now one of your favorite wads?
Beautiful and impressive map architecture. Would love to play this at the lowest difficulty level so I can 'tour' the whole place. :)
Nice to see you're going to try to do map 32. It's my favorite in terms of theme, artwork, and music. Probably the most challenging map for me.
What's interesting about this run is that when ZM takes the secret exit at the end, he does it at just about the same time the soundtrack finishes playing.
Genius.
10:35 Ithink I've seen this somewhere in religious place
More Sunder, heck yeah! I honestly thought you were done with it after map 14 because of the old version but I guess I was wrong :)
hello everyone! and hello zero master !can you tell me where to download every single vanilla doom game and as well as those series you are showing us ? i keep looking for websites but they all seem unsafe. "also i prefer to control doom with a mouse" as i've always played it with a mouse ever since i was a kid sometime around or a little after it's release. in fact i was one of the few people who actually knew you could control it with a mouse from the get go so i never went through the "keyboard vs mouse" drama lol
i tried the modern "doom" like doom remake. yes it's good but it did not feel like doom so i could not get into it and it did not feel nostalgic to me.
buy the game: store.steampowered.com/app/2300/DOOM_II/
download dsda-doom: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133096-dsda-doom-v0256-2023-01-15/
download sunder: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder-map20-appears-finally/
or download other maps: www.doomworld.com/idgames/
copy the doom2.wad to the dsda-doom directory, more info found here: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/116534-dsda-doom-guide-usage-recording-demos-and-some-extra-info/
@@ZeroMaster ahh shit sorry did not clarify but i am a student in russia can't purchase things online sadly :( but ty anyway. trying to see where ppl safely download anything and everything about this "vanilla" doom art/gameplay rather than all the modern shit
Great to see that these are continuing!