The music is alive and well. The culture and its connection to its black roots are dead. Hip-hop was an expression of black pain and struggle that was uniquely their own. Now you as likely to see someone to jump on rap for the trend as you are to see someone with respect or penance for the culture's origin story.
Real talk eric and i hope you see this. You should become the hiphop media you want to see. Stream and talk about albums thats worth it. post more like akademiks but do it holistically and from a place of love. You already have so many interviews under your belt and people who respect you. Niggas need you your voice is very powerful.
@@ajaninanabuluku8448 If that’s the case the mindset behind everything should change to “imma be the example” instead of “there’s so many vultures” pessimism breeds defeat
@@YoyoambassadorIf the example setters don’t continue to critique the vultures they’ll exist in the same space. Everything he said here is necessary. This isn’t pessimistic, this is a report of history repeating itself in real time.
I miss people like Mac Miller, he also was white and came into the culture, but he had respect for the culture and thats why he also got respect back RIP Mac man
just had a conversation with a couple homies about this and we all came to the conclusion that if things dont change, hip hop will be categorized with rock and roll and blues after a while. not to the same extent but close enough.
@@luketj Over time Rock and roll/blues became diluted by unoriginal acts. If you look at Elvis as a prime example he is heralded as one of the greatest rock n roll/blues acts before a little Richard. A lot of people associate rock n roll with those said acts instead of the originators. A lot of fear and reserve coming from purists and lovers of hip hop such as myself feel that eventually the plot will be lost and more guys like an Ian will be more prominent than a guy like JID for example. The pillars of hip hop culture will be erased if there isn't any acknowledgement or respect given to the people who created it(black).
@@slylaw3534Same with techno and EDM. Its crazy being in the city that INVENTED techno, and id be bumping it heavy out the whip and people from the city be like "why you listening to white people music?" Like one, the person who made the song is black, and two, black people and queers made this shit.
It’s deeper than hip hop. A lot of us have been lacking integrity and morals for a min now. I’m tryna figure out when we stopped giving a damn fr. I blame Robert L. Johnson lol.
If it results in money, people just let anything happen. The amount of people that deflect criticism from their favorite artists by talking about money is wild especially since they’re flexing money that isn’t theirs.
THNK YOU BRODEE! A loving correction though AAVE is literally a well researched phenomenon done extensively by Black linguistic experts; it's literally one of the many things still connecting us to Africa; as our ancestors languages, grammar and syntax was one to one to our shit!
idk if tyler mentioned this but the internet homogenises culture, there's no such thing as local online, people all over the world use the same slang, same beats etc. even since 2011 when rocky was jacking houston whole style
I been rocking with ya platform for alil bit but this just gave me so much respect for you dawg, hope the passion you giving to the culture comes back tenfold 🙏🏾
How can you blame artists for chasing clout when streamers do nothing but react to those artists and never promote talented artists that just focus on the music. The people complaining are just as much part of the problem. NoCap just dropped a great album and no one’s talking about it because hating on Ian gets more views
Yeah man, hip hop as much the rapper as the audience. If ppl out here making money from degenerate mainstream shit they ain’t gonna stop out of “love for the game” that they don’t got
I hate that I see this as a non-issue, but in terms of gatekeeping Hip-Hop, that ship has left the port my G. The current state of technology and it's accessibility gives most anyone the ability to make music. That means you're going to get a lot of people from various backgrounds throwing their voice into the mix, but in my opinion it's all noise, you just gotta filter through it. I'm 37 and think I'm pretty "tap'd in" when it comes to Hip-Hop and I never even heard of this "Ian" cat before. YT'd a couple of songs and it's 1000% not for me, but is this guy popular or something? Is he on tour selling shit out and getting crazy co-signs? To me, it just seems "par for the course" on the path of Hip-Hop consumption and production we're on now. There are plenty of quality artist to focus on instead of people making their attempt at "Hip Hop" who most likely have little to no history with the genre before 2004. Just feels like a waste of time, but I get the discourse. That part is fun. People thinking Tyler is even in the same category is laughable.
Ak is Jamaican and from Jamaica so ofc he don’t care. Bro tryna get the bag. When it come to posting them he’ll post them for the bag or let his small circle of ppl who are BLK Americans get money from their labels. He’s a hindrance but he has helped a few blk ppl, I hate to say
this the way i see it. if u list the top 25 new rappers, maybe 3-4 are white. nettspend, ian, joeyy, maybe someone else i cant think of rn. but the majority of dope and popular rap artists are still black. we always had some white artists even some who emulated black artists and culture (jack harlow, zack farlow). as a black dude i get where yall coming from but i think yall exaggerating. if the white rapper is good i think he should be let to cook, and i think ian is pretty solid
Why is it always mfs who listen to more contemporary hiphop than i could dream to are always saying hip hop is dead. Like bro if its dead this channel would die too, no?
He means from a mainstream standpoint there’s no creativity or originality. In the early 00’s there was ample creativity. Mainstream affects the overall perspective and underground gets impacted sadly.
@@kmc1994nah but he right the people saying that the hardest dont listen to new artist or anyone not signed to a major. In their eyes it isn’t alive if mainstream is t popping which is dumb because hiphop want born mainstream.
To go even further from what the reply said, the forefront mainstream still included the said contemporary people back then. Now it’s not so diverse. So all the different folks like contemporary, experimental, alternative don’t get much light
@@kpgohan black label heads and gatekeepers ensured that. Internet era got them outta here but look what it did to mainstream. Homogenized it even more
I disagree with both y’all, Tyler came up off white skater culture his whole fan base was white saying the n word and shit, now bruh wanna take the high road.
its called being young and ignorant. i can't speak for skate culture, but you gotta keep in mind, he wasn't even 21 when he & Odd Future first blew up. when you're that age, almost everything you do is to be edgy and to get a reaction. we've all done it, it's human nature. but as time progresses and age catches up with you, your perspective changes. at least that's what i think it is.
White skater culture & hip hop has always been intertwined. Supreme owes a HUGE portion of its success to hip hop so Tyler being apart of skater culture isn’t a “gotcha”
Tyler's from Hawthorne, grew up with some of the greatest skaters of all time (Antwuan Dixon, Louie Lopez) none of them are white. Most of the Supreme skate team (Sage aka Navy Blue) aren't white either. Skateboarding is Black culture just as much as it is white. Hip-hop though, will always be Black culture before anything else. Big difference between growing up in a culture and contributing to it like Tyler has with skating and hip-hop, and using culture for your own benefit like the rappers he's referring to.
@@chuckskeeter skating culture originated from surfers not having waves to surf in the off season in California, Steve Olson, jay adams, tony hawk. Skating has evolved over time to become more then what it was when it started, which was predominantly white culture. Hip hop is more then just black culture now no music or form of creativity belongs to one race of people
I have to disagree cuz of 3 things 1. People only hating on ian cuz he successful. People only mad cuz hes poppin so much 2. You complain abt the lack of substance in his music, but there are so many black artists that have no substance too 3. its honestly fked up to try and limit peoples creative choices because of the color of their skin. if a black man was hated like this for making classical music it would be racism but black people criticizing a white man is considered right.
People make music and create their own sound because they love it and that’s what comes most natural to them, regardless of their race. Deeming music a “get rich quick scheme” is such a gross exaggeration. You should know more than most that it’s incredibly difficult to find success in music. Furthermore, you really just said that hip hop media is “all white” as a Black man that writes for complex.
I'm pretty sure he said rap music and the misuse of Hip Hop culture as a whole and not just music in general. Nice detail coming from a journalist who writes for Complex. Also I'd assume you're not a fan of Hip Hop.
“Hip-hop is DEAD😢” *hits play on Navy Blue’s new album*
not sure if this is a joke post and i fw navy/sage but saying this type of shit kinda misses the point completely
Reallll
way to reduce his argument to something you can easily dismiss
felt
The music is alive and well. The culture and its connection to its black roots are dead. Hip-hop was an expression of black pain and struggle that was uniquely their own. Now you as likely to see someone to jump on rap for the trend as you are to see someone with respect or penance for the culture's origin story.
calling tyler a oldhead when he was the measure of rap youth at one point is crazy too
Time passes
@@1shyy524 yeah
Gatekeeping? There's no more gate. The internet broke that shit down. For better and for worse.
Real talk eric and i hope you see this. You should become the hiphop media you want to see. Stream and talk about albums thats worth it. post more like akademiks but do it holistically and from a place of love. You already have so many interviews under your belt and people who respect you. Niggas need you your voice is very powerful.
wait til this commenter realizes eric's been doing just that for YEARS lol
@@ajaninanabuluku8448 If that’s the case the mindset behind everything should change to “imma be the example” instead of “there’s so many vultures” pessimism breeds defeat
@@YoyoambassadorIf the example setters don’t continue to critique the vultures they’ll exist in the same space. Everything he said here is necessary. This isn’t pessimistic, this is a report of history repeating itself in real time.
I miss people like Mac Miller, he also was white and came into the culture, but he had respect for the culture and thats why he also got respect back RIP Mac man
Lil mabu for sure the worst shit that ever happened
I genuinely thought that Tyler was talking about him when I first saw the interview clip
just had a conversation with a couple homies about this and we all came to the conclusion that if things dont change, hip hop will be categorized with rock and roll and blues after a while. not to the same extent but close enough.
not a bad take at all
wym by that?
@@luketj Over time Rock and roll/blues became diluted by unoriginal acts. If you look at Elvis as a prime example he is heralded as one of the greatest rock n roll/blues acts before a little Richard. A lot of people associate rock n roll with those said acts instead of the originators. A lot of fear and reserve coming from purists and lovers of hip hop such as myself feel that eventually the plot will be lost and more guys like an Ian will be more prominent than a guy like JID for example. The pillars of hip hop culture will be erased if there isn't any acknowledgement or respect given to the people who created it(black).
@@slylaw3534Same with techno and EDM. Its crazy being in the city that INVENTED techno, and id be bumping it heavy out the whip and people from the city be like "why you listening to white people music?" Like one, the person who made the song is black, and two, black people and queers made this shit.
The industry’s cooked as i pick the carcass apart!
Yeah somebody’s lying I can see the vibes on Ak 😾
You was cooking and its smells like gourmet, you on point
amen
WE HERE FOR IT
It’s deeper than hip hop. A lot of us have been lacking integrity and morals for a min now. I’m tryna figure out when we stopped giving a damn fr. I blame Robert L. Johnson lol.
If it results in money, people just let anything happen. The amount of people that deflect criticism from their favorite artists by talking about money is wild especially since they’re flexing money that isn’t theirs.
This really one of the realest and most true takes regarding the state of HipHop and HipHop media. Wake up kids!
thanks for speaking on this my guy. hip hop needs to be taken seriously as an art form.
Joe budden was right about yachty all along
crazy to think about
THNK YOU BRODEE! A loving correction though AAVE is literally a well researched phenomenon done extensively by Black linguistic experts; it's literally one of the many things still connecting us to Africa; as our ancestors languages, grammar and syntax was one to one to our shit!
will forever appreciate you using ya platform to speak what needs to be spoken king, this video being no different. thank you
Was playing devil’s advocate until the video continued and you hit valid point after another. Top shelf journalism.
Bro rap like unfoonk 😂😂
😭😭
the Adam 22 shit so funny but scary accurate
Once he got there I was like yeah Eric talking that real
"you gotta tweet me a picture of your hand before you watch this video" 🤣
thank you for this. the gatekeepers of hip hop are not doing their jobs well. a lot of tap dancing happening in hip hop.
you never lied, especially about the hip-hop media point
idk if tyler mentioned this but the internet homogenises culture, there's no such thing as local online, people all over the world use the same slang, same beats etc. even since 2011 when rocky was jacking houston whole style
😂😂😂😂TBH I JUST REALY FOUND OUT WHO IAN WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED IT WOOOOOOOOW……so i understand where you coming from
As an Indian person i can say the equivalent is "you're invited to the puja" 😂
You can’t say all this and support Jack Harlow the way you do twinn. Shawn tried to tell you in multiple interviews gang 💀💀
This take is very needed n spot on fr
this gotta go platinum
I been rocking with ya platform for alil bit but this just gave me so much respect for you dawg, hope the passion you giving to the culture comes back tenfold 🙏🏾
bro you went in on this video. great work
How can you blame artists for chasing clout when streamers do nothing but react to those artists and never promote talented artists that just focus on the music. The people complaining are just as much part of the problem. NoCap just dropped a great album and no one’s talking about it because hating on Ian gets more views
Yeah man, hip hop as much the rapper as the audience. If ppl out here making money from degenerate mainstream shit they ain’t gonna stop out of “love for the game” that they don’t got
Starting off with a Spellling hum. Incredible
when da mavi interview dropping twinfolk
Not bro with a parquet courts shirt
You and I are the only black men ik that listen to them 😂
U should do an interview with them
U spitting wisdom I’m tryina Hear you rap!
I hate that I see this as a non-issue, but in terms of gatekeeping Hip-Hop, that ship has left the port my G. The current state of technology and it's accessibility gives most anyone the ability to make music. That means you're going to get a lot of people from various backgrounds throwing their voice into the mix, but in my opinion it's all noise, you just gotta filter through it.
I'm 37 and think I'm pretty "tap'd in" when it comes to Hip-Hop and I never even heard of this "Ian" cat before. YT'd a couple of songs and it's 1000% not for me, but is this guy popular or something? Is he on tour selling shit out and getting crazy co-signs? To me, it just seems "par for the course" on the path of Hip-Hop consumption and production we're on now. There are plenty of quality artist to focus on instead of people making their attempt at "Hip Hop" who most likely have little to no history with the genre before 2004.
Just feels like a waste of time, but I get the discourse. That part is fun.
People thinking Tyler is even in the same category is laughable.
Thank you this exactly how I feel
Not to take away from the convo but dope Parquet Courts shirt!!!
on a mf crusade god bless you eric fr feel this 1000%
Little deer goes crazy
that parquet courts shirt is cool af
Damn hearing it explained out like this it is pretty bad lmaooo like even down to the platforms like no jumper and ak🤢
Rap music got too popular whoops
Love the shirt
Lil day day LMAOOO
You. SNAPPED. You talking!
They gotta let this one marinate
Talk yo shit Eric
This channel is Hip Hop
Lets go back to when ppl signed a deal for 10-20k and get robbed. Remember Lil B killed hip hop
Talk to them, Eric!
Speak it Eric!
All facts
mannn talk to em bro
Bring back gatekeeping
Rap might be dead, but hip-hop is far from dead.
You're 100% right
they heard they first rap song in 2016!
Vultures bra
Ak is Jamaican and from Jamaica so ofc he don’t care. Bro tryna get the bag. When it come to posting them he’ll post them for the bag or let his small circle of ppl who are BLK Americans get money from their labels. He’s a hindrance but he has helped a few blk ppl, I hate to say
facts, nothing but facts
so real eric,
The grift callout 😂
damn as fan of ian i agree
Nothing but fax
🙇🏾♂️
Whats crazy you get more views on bs than actual interview. Smh
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this the way i see it. if u list the top 25 new rappers, maybe 3-4 are white. nettspend, ian, joeyy, maybe someone else i cant think of rn. but the majority of dope and popular rap artists are still black. we always had some white artists even some who emulated black artists and culture (jack harlow, zack farlow). as a black dude i get where yall coming from but i think yall exaggerating. if the white rapper is good i think he should be let to cook, and i think ian is pretty solid
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Why is it always mfs who listen to more contemporary hiphop than i could dream to are always saying hip hop is dead. Like bro if its dead this channel would die too, no?
Nah. How old are you and how long u been listening to hip hop? There’s a stark difference. People are putting music out but it’s still dying.
He means from a mainstream standpoint there’s no creativity or originality. In the early 00’s there was ample creativity. Mainstream affects the overall perspective and underground gets impacted sadly.
@@kmc1994nah but he right the people saying that the hardest dont listen to new artist or anyone not signed to a major. In their eyes it isn’t alive if mainstream is t popping which is dumb because hiphop want born mainstream.
To go even further from what the reply said, the forefront mainstream still included the said contemporary people back then. Now it’s not so diverse. So all the different folks like contemporary, experimental, alternative don’t get much light
@@kpgohan black label heads and gatekeepers ensured that. Internet era got them outta here but look what it did to mainstream. Homogenized it even more
I disagree with both y’all, Tyler came up off white skater culture his whole fan base was white saying the n word and shit, now bruh wanna take the high road.
its called being young and ignorant. i can't speak for skate culture, but you gotta keep in mind, he wasn't even 21 when he & Odd Future first blew up. when you're that age, almost everything you do is to be edgy and to get a reaction. we've all done it, it's human nature. but as time progresses and age catches up with you, your perspective changes. at least that's what i think it is.
White skater culture & hip hop has always been intertwined. Supreme owes a HUGE portion of its success to hip hop so Tyler being apart of skater culture isn’t a “gotcha”
Supreme is just 1 brand. There's alot of street brands that were big in @@rashanlynn7133
Tyler's from Hawthorne, grew up with some of the greatest skaters of all time (Antwuan Dixon, Louie Lopez) none of them are white. Most of the Supreme skate team (Sage aka Navy Blue) aren't white either. Skateboarding is Black culture just as much as it is white. Hip-hop though, will always be Black culture before anything else.
Big difference between growing up in a culture and contributing to it like Tyler has with skating and hip-hop, and using culture for your own benefit like the rappers he's referring to.
@@chuckskeeter skating culture originated from surfers not having waves to surf in the off season in California, Steve Olson, jay adams, tony hawk. Skating has evolved over time to become more then what it was when it started, which was predominantly white culture. Hip hop is more then just black culture now no music or form of creativity belongs to one race of people
I have to disagree cuz of 3 things
1. People only hating on ian cuz he successful. People only mad cuz hes poppin so much
2. You complain abt the lack of substance in his music, but there are so many black artists that have no substance too
3. its honestly fked up to try and limit peoples creative choices because of the color of their skin. if a black man was hated like this for making classical music it would be racism but black people criticizing a white man is considered right.
you missed the whole point dog
@@luketjhow so?
People make music and create their own sound because they love it and that’s what comes most natural to them, regardless of their race. Deeming music a “get rich quick scheme” is such a gross exaggeration. You should know more than most that it’s incredibly difficult to find success in music. Furthermore, you really just said that hip hop media is “all white” as a Black man that writes for complex.
I'm pretty sure he said rap music and the misuse of Hip Hop culture as a whole and not just music in general. Nice detail coming from a journalist who writes for Complex.
Also I'd assume you're not a fan of Hip Hop.
thank you.