“Cody is a pretend-gineer and this thing that happened is fake because reasons” “..I am also not an engineer, but you should listen to me when I condescendingly talk about why a truck frame snapping in half is actually ok.”
@@Greggertruck the part where he proves you, and many others, wrong by going to town in all kind of manners on the hitch of the F150 and (you might want to sit for this one) it BENDS instead of straight up shearing off. Instead of running PR for a billionaire you should demand better quality for your money.
you press the brakes because you are rolling backwards downhill and have cleared the obstacle, and don't want to roll into the recovery vehicle, natural reaction
It is funny that you claim these castings are stronger than the steel used in conventional truck frames. A casting (no matter what the material ) is brittle due to the weak random grain structure. The high strength steel used in conventional truck frames is a cold rolled product that yields a stronger refined grain structure. Castings do not flex, Cold rolled steel will. An impact to a casting can break it, impact to cold rolled steel can dent it. The Tesla frame suffered a major impact when the truck dropped off the culverts and probably created cracks that eventually separated when pulling the other truck off the culverts. The frame of the F150 would have flexed with the same impact or probably be dented or deformed. These test are way beyond real world testing, in the end no vehicle survives his testing.
Greg is not an engineer, he says so, but his commentary reinforces his lack of understanding in basic engineering fundamentals as you have pointed out. It is comical that he talks about stuff as though he does. Castings (esp high pressure die cast) also suffer from porosity which significantly weaken the structure.
Meet me at the culverts, mr truckologist. I'd like to see your truck clear the culverts twice and not have severe frame damage, compromising the integrity.
@@Greggertruck You can't be serious. There are trucks, Jeeps and 4Runners smashing their trailer hitches on ledges daily at rock crawling trails. Go to Moab and you will see the countless scraps and gouges in the rock, but you won't see broken frames and hitches. Any new BOF truck or SUV could take that drop without breaking the frame.
@@Dahawk427 I found myself arguing with a tons of people over what the outcomes would be if a body on frame truck was subjected to the same conditions and what I found out is most owners are parroting the talking points of the respective company they bought a vehicle from out of ignorance. In the case of Tesla a ton of owners seem to have gotten into automotive technologie via the new bridge with IT and have no experience and prior interest and knowledge of automotive technologies. Never thoughtfully maintained and repaired vehicles before. Never drove them out of specs. Never consumed motorized sport entertainment. There are literally ten of thousands of video of trucks rear ends getting absolutely rammed on cement and rocks and surviving. Some fail dramatically but a minority. I am pretty sure if Cody repeated the experiment by dropping a new Cyber truck it would crack quickly and break in the same manner again in less than 10 drops. The casting design is a huge compromise made to help performance, dressed up as a structural feature.
No way bro I off-road all the time and if it pulls the whole bumper off of the truck is wild I’ve been pulled out of a lot of mud holes and some times they had to yank pretty hard and I’ve never seen one sheer the bumper off 😂 I mean aluminum will never be as strong as steel
Not true aluminum be stronger than steel and plenty of forms but what broke was not Billet or sheet aluminum or steel it was cast p*** carts which are total crap and will always fall apart
No way? You clueless fool. It was dropped on the edge of the casting. Multiple times. Fractured the casting. So once it was yanked it split where it was cracked.
would you ever dropped your suspension to its lowest possible setting while doing a 5 ft drop? 😂😂 the cybertruck obviously did the culvert test EFFORTLESSLY so they did it over and over again to get a bad take, ended up breaking the casting when going over in ENTRY mode 😂😂 then problably multiple takes pulling off the FORD which completely failed the text and even had to break check to get a break 😂😂
It was legit. The top brake light didnt come on but the back lights did, after the jolt on the last culvert. Plus you can see the back tire reversing. They were legitimately trying to tow it out and the hitch broke. I cant overlook that 😮
Trying to seriously analyze a WhistlinDiesel video is more humorous than the WD video itself. The serious and analytical tone of this video is seriously cracking me up. 😂😂
5:45ish - cracked the frame when they dropped off the culverts onto the square concrete. That jolt towing the ford was the last straw as it were. In the original video they cut away at the time of impact - again as is drops 5 feet with low suspension frame to concrete.
even if cody broke the hitch and the subframe it was attached to because he went over the concrete sewer pipes multiple times without properly heightened suspension, it clearly shows the subframe isn't durable and wasn't built for a car that is as heavy as a cybertruck. the use case for this truck is still a question for me, though. it has the functionality to go off-road, and there are probably more people in the world that'll ragdoll the cybertruck like cody does, but the way it was built also makes me think it wasn't built for off-roading at all.
Notice how Cody complained that the suspension kept going down. I think you can't ride the truck at the highest setting its just for getting unstuck else it will drop back down and you need to get out of the car and back in to get to max height again. And the air pump has a low duty cycle and goes into overheat protection quickly and take forever to lift the suspension again. Cody probably did not understand how the suspension worked and had to make a few try that got edited off. BTW this is funny considering Elon claimed half a decade ago he could fit enougf compressed air in the next Roadster to make it "fly" for short periods at a time. Yet 5 years later engineers could not even design an air pump and reservoir to operate the truck suspension at a decent duty cycle... and that air reservoir is quite large already.
The casting took multiple vertical blows as evidenced by the video. Not the types of stress that is ever seen in normal use. If you want to tell me you plan on driving your vehicle off 7 foot tall ledges landing right on the edge of the casting I’ll tell you you’ve exceeded design limits. There is a very long over hang behind the rear wheels and that generated a ton of vertical force as the truck tail hit the end of the pipes. Obviously cracking the casting. Once the cracks were induced, yanking on it with the amount of torque the CT is capable of producing is easily separated the portion of the casting that had the hitch attached from the rest of itself. Duh! Figure it out! Had NOTHING to do with the position of the suspension.
@@twothbeave The problem is the test is not meant to be scientific and does not highlight where that design limit is. The failure happened by accident. Did the casting already crack when it slipped on the pipe directly off the rear tires or did it require falling down 7 feet on the concrete bloc on the ground? Also, do repetitive small drop or hit on the tongue would cause long term fatigue with similar outcome? It did highlight however that a conventional designed truck has a frame that is more durable. So if the sole point is to compare durability of this "first principle, out of the box" based approach to a conventional design the results speak of themselves. I am expecting Cody will look to see the failure point of the battery pack at the end of the tests since that's when the vehicle will be unrecoverable. I know it has a very strong protection plate but I'm curious how it will behave when degraded, or if it will allow any degradation. The thing is filled with epoxy and no repairable.
@@twothbeaveevery vehicle designer should know that their vehicle will be used beyond design specs. A good engineer designs their product knowing how it will be abused, and plans so that the inevitable failure is as safe as possible. For example, when Cody did the same thing with the ford, the frame bent. This is a ductile failure that results in the truck being damaged, but does not create the immediate danger of critical structural elements falling off the truck potentially at high speeds. The catastrophically brittle failure of the cybertruck frame in this situation is completely unacceptable.
Wow. I would have never seen that 2% difference. That was a lot of takes difference to get that result of breaking the casting. They clearly went over the culvert in extract, didnt break anything, and then repeated it in low suspension to induce some damage. Almost anyone would have missed that. I enjoyed the video as a Cybertruck owner, but now I've kind of peeved after looking behind the curtain. I want a rematch!
I actually think extract would still hit, but it'd likely reduce the severity of the hit. I'd genuinely love to see an F150, or any ladder frame truck drive off culverts and have the same hit. He won't do it. THAT would total the F150. Both the front and rear end impacting the ground would destroy any other truck. Meanwhile minutes later he actually yanked the F150 out of the mud with the Cybertruck, no damage.
@@Greggertruck I wont hit either end of the raptors I built but that is because the hitch is gone a long with the bed corners and bottom 25% of the frame horns. In front 8" of frame and the bumper horns were cut off. It's close to max legal bumper height yet about the same suspension height as stock. The frames are seriously reinforced. A stock frame will bend doing this stuff. Would be noticed as thrust angle on alignment or measuring the frame as compared to before or body shop frame data.
It’s pretty apparent you’ve never been stuck before 🤔a hitch is a lifeline for a truck and the last thing that needs to break. This truck is a show piece not a truck, the fact that it has the work truck in the name should tell you it’s not taking itself seriously.
It's pretty apparent you've never been stuck before 🤣the first thing that ALWAYS breaks first is TRACTION🤣 the cyberTRUCK is on dirt with aired up 33" offroad tires and has 0 wheel spin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣you should think about thinking more seriously
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 it’s not the height. It’s the fragility that’s concerning, a hitch is supposed to take just as much punishment as the frame.
Both trucks would have the same force on their hitches. I am not denying that the CyberTruck had previous damage. But taking a video from Cody seriously is hilarious. He ridicules every vehicle he 'tests'.
Absolutely a comedian, but people take it seriously and think he's somehow exposed something about the Cybertruck. Would be neat if what he exposed was the repairability of the casting, but something tells me he will not actually let Tesla repair it.
@@Greggertruck the lights don't come on, look at the middle light above the bed Even if he did brake it doesn't matter because the truck was going to stop abruptly like that when it also fell into the gap which is indisputably visible lol Which also doesn't matter because that only distinguishes he didn't do yhat on purpose but that shouldn't happen anyway and ultimately it happened because its an 1/8" cast aluminum frame with barely any attachment I get you don't know this but when you tow an 11000 pound trailer it is going to put a ton of variable and backward pressure on the hitch and frame
Run at video at .25 speed at 6:16, you'll see the timing of events. Note the slack in the chain that gets taut after the brake is applied. When the chain is taut AFTER the brake is applied, the Cybertruck breaks.
Pretty much nailed all the stuff that I paused and pointed out the day the video went live from Cody. I enjoyed the content and was laughing non-stop but reality here is he drove the entertainment vs. the real world facts. As a off-roader since the age of 5 (ATV, UTV, 2WD, 4WD - Dirt, Sand, etc) so much of this was just ?? to those that think this would ever happen. I've had the same thing happen to a Tacoma we yanked out of a ditch buried in snow a few years back the clown freaked out and hit the brakes and well, his front end no long existed, tore his front bumper off, pulled it from the frame rails, radiator core support, all of it gone, the 1 ton truck did its work? Fact is - A) I'm sure Tesla went back over engineering from this video to check things and ensure QA looked correct B) Physics are what they are, you want something to break you can do it.
@@billybobbob3003It's not a matter of durability, if the underframe of your vehicle is cracked or bent out of proper alignment, it's totalled. Honestly, it's better for it to crack and break-off rather than bend so you don't have to take chances with the vehicle (thinking it's just a minor bend, nothing too serious). That's how people end up causing accidents on the road when they drive their side-winding cars with completely messed up body frames; just because it's not completely sheared off, doesn't mean it's road safe anymore.
How come you didn't cover the part (on another video angle) of the rear end totally smashing the concrete step when the Cybertruck fell off the concrete tubes? That's most likely when/where the frame got fractured. In all of this that is likely the most important part of the story and you totally didn't even mention unless I missed something.
Also, don’t comment on the strength of castings if you’re not an engineer. The manufacturing process isn’t exactly the issue. It’s the material. Aside from that, the idea you think that a casting can be “fixed” is just silly.
They also gloss over that they killed the F-150 in the first 5 minutes of the video when they backed it off the flat-bed and tore the driveshaft off lol
So the drive shaft breaking is a full demerit to the f150 when they just have to replace a part. But when the cybertruck frames gets totaled it's "only because of the same thing" how do you figure that
You forgot to show in the intro they have a full view of the rear slamming into the shelf at the very bottom like 1 ft off the ground. During the main portion of the video they cut away from that impact and that’s where it took most of the damage!
The cyber truck suits those men who like carrying around toys dogs in their handbags. It’s a total fraud. But yet people seem surprised. It’s useless at everything except accelerating in a straight line. I’m always amused about people who defend it. Aluminium has a tensile strength almost 3 x less than steel and more if it’s tensile steel. It’s dangerous to all road users especially pedestrians and motorcyclists.
At the end of the video you highlight "Tesla has made the safest vehicles on the road for the last several years. They're unmatched in safety so the idea that they've somehow overlooked that on the Cyber truck... it's arguably the safest truck on the road" Would the CyberTruck even pass the European pedestrian safety standard if it was light enougf to be available to drive with a regular license there? The angular and stiff external panels are a statement that pedestrian safety wasn't the priority in the design of this particular vehicle. Even from the driver's perspective, how can the 'bullet proof" windows be safer than standard windows? They can't be as easily broken in case of an accident. Elon's idea was to make the toughest vehicle but hyped it too much AND ultimately they could only afford to make the outside though to maintain a reasonable weight and cost so the "frame" was made of cast aluminum instead of steel with the result WhislinDiesel highlighted. We can see the front and rear castings in details in the Munro videos and there is no way they can be repaired in vast majority of welding shops. Same is true for the battery pack, contrary to previous Tesla models individual cells module are not replaceable as the whole back is filled with epoxy. As for the video editing hiding the exact number of times the rear end got hit with a vertical load before cracking and breaking... unless this number is extremely large its still going to be a concern to many type of off-road or towing incidents. It is a legit issue.
Probably true, but there is no doubt the 150 or any modern truck with a rolled steel frame and hitch would have shrugged that damage off. Cast Aluminum is probably one of the worst materials to build a towing frame out of since it has such low tensile strength and ductility. There is a reason historically casting in the automotive industry has only ever been used for engine blocks and other non load bearing components, ie transmission housings. And when casting is used in a vehicle for something that's load bearing it's significantly reinforced to compensate, such as steering knuckles etc, and those are always made out of cast steel which stronger than aluminum for the same amount of material.
@@benlzicar7628 The f-150 broke falling off the truck and didnt make it across the culvert. I guess the rolled steel frame didnt help in either one of those cases.
The critical steering condition when the front wheels were off the Culver and he stopped on the frame? That condition. The hitch and frame came off when the front wheels of the F150 dropped into the culver riven. Not when the F150 brakes were pressed
If we begin to praise such low ugly hanging fruit, one can only see the future already and how 5 cars will exist for millions of people and I sure wouldn’t want them looking like that
Well i am actually an engineer and i can tell you that YES steel can snap depending on its level of rigidity (more carbon=more rigidity less flexibility) aluminum will bend under low impact forces but snaps under high impact forces.
Good analysis. That's the same thing I noticed the first time I watched it. But I failed to detect the multiple takes. It makes me think the Cybertruck was taken over the end of the culverts at least 2 or three times to break the casting. It's all just entertainment and keeping Whistlin' Diesel's subscribers happy driving last centuries technology.
It's all in the name, diesel. At one point he says he loves the Cybertruck. Wish we saw the F150 make it over the culverts to actually have a comparison. But that'd have exposed to truth about the ladder frame and the video would be over there.
@@Greggertruck Exactly! I've already navigated trails in my Dual Motor Cybertruck that my F-150 4x4 wouldn't have stood a chance of making. The driveshaft is too vulnerable, the ground clearance too low, the maneuverability too clumsy, and it didn't come with front and rear locking differentials as standard equipment. The limited slip rear differential on my F-150 (that I had to pay extra for) wore out the first winter. It's been an open differential for more than a decade because I refuse to replace expensive clutch packs in the differential every spring. Simply not practical. Probably just as important, the ride on rugged roads and trails is so much nicer in the Cybertruck, it seems to float over the terrain, while the F-150 pounds you, as it rocks you violently from side to side. It's no contest! And Ford can't design a good audio system even if you overpay for it. The sound just sucks compared to the clarity, depth and dimension of Cybertruck's stereo. And that's important to me because I'm not going to pay a car audio company $8,000 to put a better stereo in the Ford when I know it won't even come close to sounding as good as the Cybertruck's OEM audio system that comes standard on every Cybertruck. To get a F-150 fully loaded, with the on and off-road performance anywhere near a Cybertruck is impossible. But if you try you will end up in a F-150 Raptor R, fully loaded for around $130-$140K, and it will still suck compared to the stock Cybertruck. The payload and towing capacity will be less than HALF! The ground clearance will be more limiting and the road noise will be deafening, in comparison. The cabin air handling will be worse, the maneuverability and ease of driving will be far inferior, the bed will be smaller, you won't get a lockable motorized tonneau cover, the bodywork and paint will be as fragile as a china doll, and on and on and on.
They broke it and fixed it for like a grand in less than a day. How much does it cost to fix a Cyber truck frame? About $100,000 because you _CAN'T FIX IT._
That’s all great. But the frame snapped. That’s absolutely unacceptable in any scenario. Something that has as high of consequences as a failing frame/ trailer hitch, should have an appropriate safety factor. Clearly they didn’t.
This test is 100% authentic lol. There was nothing fake about his video. People are just trying to defend the cyber truck. In all honesty the cyber truck sucks and is not safe
I figure the brake issue was the driver afraid they were going to roll back into the cybertruck. I’m surprised you didn’t point out the fact that the rear end of that frame took a huge hit coming off the culverts. I suspect it was fractured then then the pull did it in.
It's very repairable, that's great engineering. If you impacted a steel frame it'd likely have bent and is likely no longer repairable. Opposite for the castings in Cybertruck, on top of that aluminum doesn't rust unlike the steel frames. My video wasn't to address metallurgy or scientific fact. It's to address the lie that the Cybertruck casting just simply ripped off. Meanwhile a minute later he rescued the F150 just fine with the Cybertruck front end, which wasn't impacted.
@@Greggertruckclassic argument for why something cheaper and basic is better for us while costing us more... not like it’s something we haven’t heard before right? Did you mention costs for such repairs? I myself don’t care for EV seems like female vehicles to me, everything that made a car beast that scared them into something so tame it’s boring and safe lol
I recently took delivery of my Cybertruck 8/1/24 and it’s awesome so far. I agree with your view of this video. They both failed this test, but the Cybertruck did way better than the F-150. Not to mention the Cybertruck flew way higher on the jump test. This was an extreme durability test of both trucks. Thank you for the ride-height break down, I wouldn’t have caught that detail otherwise. Great video.
Don't worry! Elon promised an upcoming software update that will strengthen the frame of the CT! And it will only cost the owners 10 000 Tesla Fun Bucks(like 50k American)
You would press on the brakes to make sure you don't roll backwards into the back of the cybertruck. Regardless people have been pressing on the brakes by mistake for decades during recovery atemps and it doesn't snap the frame off. Castings can be strong if they are beefed up enough but aluminum castings tend to be brittle. If you have two steel framed trucks hitched up together the chain would break before the frame snaps in half.
I'm fully aware of careful driving. but here..... wouldn't hitting either truck be on brand? Regardless. The casting was already crashed on the culverts multiple times at that point. It's more the understanding that the brakes are the coupe de grace here.
@@Greggertruck Even if the frame was cracked from the concrete cylinders that would not have happened on a steel-framed truck. Even if you bend the hitch and even the frame it would not have snapped off the way the cast aluminum frame did. I have seen many truck bumpers come down on rocks when they are off-roading and I have never heard of a frame snapping off.
It isn't anything individually, it is all these factors combined that made it tear off. Also per kg Aluminium is stronger then steel. So steel is not better. Aluminium isn't used because it is expensive, if it was cheaper every company would use it instead of steel. Casting makes it around about the same price as steel.
@@737mechanic "Aluminium is much more flexible than steel, meaning it can be easily bent into various shapes. Steel is more rigid and will break if pushed too far. Aluminium is also very ductile and can be stretched without cracking". First google result lol. So yeah, steel is just worse for this application, however since steel is cheaper it's better. But thanks to giga casting aluminium while slightly more expensive is much closer in cost while decreasing weight which is important for the range of an ev hence the cost sacrifice.
You also noticed that whistling diesel doesn’t appear to have anything on X.🤔 probably because he doesn’t want community notes proving him wrong on his statements he doesn’t like rebuttal to what he puts out for content
how ? after the c4 the f150 door still was usable & even locked. the cybertucks doors were stuck. & after the c4 & all the tests the f150 still drives, the cybertuck is beyond totalled
I've seen a chevy 1500 get so much speed to pull someone out of a mud hole that the rear tires jump a couple of feet of the ground with no issues to the chev. Steel frame baby. I like elon but aluminum is for airplanes not american trucks
I feel for you mate i wouldn't be happy seeing that hope they can fix it..lets be real id rather a towbar/chassis that will bend when im using it like a dickhead.. not snap!
Ŕeguardless if its designed to crumble it failed.. period.. that frame is not fixable. Its casted together with chit aluminum which i brittle and crumbles easy.. To have a 11000 lb tow rating that part of the frame should be a minimum 3/8" thick.. Yes I'm a engineer..
very good points made :) Too many shortcuts made, and coverups for entertainment's sake. Fake youtubers being exposed every day now, had hoped WD was better than this :(
Damn you are really butt hurt over an entertainment video. Quick UA-cam tip, no one finds your Tyler the Creator, Chris Farley, etc. video interjections funny or entertaining
Elaborate explanation not needed. The cybertruck frame where the hitch is attached is not as strong as a conventional steel frame and will do this if under enough stress. Take a look at whistlin's newest video 😂
Really solid video, I was a big fan of whistlindiesel’s video and I don’t doubt that he may have manipulated the video for more views. However, the frame snapping is a very concerning thing. As someone who has worked in the automotive field for years I can confidently say that building a truck frame out of aluminum is a bad idea. Aluminum is a great material for a lot of things and they are very often used in the manufacturing of frames, but you don’t find them on trucks, you find them on coupes and sedans. They are very light, but they are brittle, they don’t bend. Yes I could see how the video could have been manipulated but it doesn’t change the design of the car, and that frame is a critical design flaw for something that claims to have more utility than a truck. Once again tho, great video!
Then pay attention! The frame did not snap, the rear casting broke at the area the bolt in hitch assembly attaches to! An area engineered to crumple in collisions. It can be swapped back out in just 1 giant piece ad a new hitch assembly and bam you are good to go AGAIN! 👍🏻
You posted a video "Cybertruck Beta Shareholder Day Cyber Round Up 2023" This event would have been for insiders and it means you are a shareholder and have a conflict of interest? This UA-camr tries to destroy a lot of other vehicles....
Clearly more testing is needed, and by an independent engineering contract. One thing I'd question is the safety of using an aluminum frame, and attaching steel plates to that frame. Usually it's the other way around. I predict a rear frame detachment and runaway trailer by August 2025.
@@Greggertruckthere’s a difference between bending and breaking. And he didn’t intentionally slam on the brakes. The whole entire frame sheered off that’s not supposed to happen
The CT actually held up pretty well compared to a lot of the vehicles he destroys. I love that Tesla tried making something wild and unique but all I see about this is tow trucks and computer failures. These things are building a legacy for being one of the worst purchases an enthusiast could buy.
Not really. What's embarrassing is you TDS freaks frothing at the mouth with rage against the Cybertruck refusing to understand that a 6 foot drop on the back of the frame like that would total any truck.
@@Greggertruck shorter suspension and less torque. Still doesn't explain why the Tesla's hitch literally tore off. It didn't break off. It ripped. and it wasn't even that extreme of a recovery.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. You can’t fix stupid. Setting the tires low to shatter the bumper crumple cans during the drop off the culverts onto a giant concrete block conveniently not covered by dirt guarantees the hitch failure. If you want to hate Tesla, to hate the Cybertruck, to stick it to Elon, try reeeeeellllyyy hard like whistling deisel did to make your dreams come true. If Tesla hate gets the most advertising dollars and clicks, than you make it fail. Personally, I laughed through the entire piece, not because they broke the truck, but because how obviously hard they had to work to get it to fail. The thing that people need to realize is 1.9 million people die each year in car accidents and 20million die from respiratory pollution related deaths and we sink 30% of our income into ICE automobiles. Teslas safety saves 1million people each year, they don’t make chemicals and pollution airborne to kill anyone each year, and they cost half as much to operate. Whistling deisel wants your money, your health, and wants you to die in an accident by entertaining your Tesla hate. The funny part to this is how dumb you would have to be to believe any of it.
"they don’t make chemicals and pollution airborne to kill anyone each year" correction, they don't make them where you live. They absolutely do, but it happens far away from your home, so it doesn't bother you that children who mine lithium and rare earth metals for your car's batteries and electric motors suffer, because your electric car "cost[s] half as much to operate".
@@nrub You have more cobalt in your cellphone than I have in my Tesla, clearly you must have done the homework to back up your “feelings”. But hey, it makes you feel better, I bow to your superior willful ignorance😂
Another fan boy . 38 year as auto tech. In body shop and heavy line tech For dealership nothing should have broken it should bend not snap off if in wreck or accident
Not really. Tesla has more cash in the bank than Toyota's net worth. Tesla also has the best selling car in the world 2 years in a row. They sell more Model Y than Toyota sells Corollas... And Model Y is more expensive and has better margins. That's only the car side of the business... You factor that in with energy storage, robo taxis, insurance business, etc, Tesla is going to be the biggest company in the world soon.
The cyber truck is cool. But it's not anywhere close to repairable. Or as sturdy as a body on frame truck. Its built differently. A truck frame is designed to flex and twist. I can straighten a frame in my driveway. And there are about 4 different frame shops in my town. You can't fix a casting reliably. The strength comes from it being poured as one piece. If try to weld a new rear section of frame it's just creating a weak point. Aluminum body panels on high end cars are easy to repair. Since they are not welded to the steel frame and unibody. They just use panel bond and rivets. So, no welding is required. Cyber truck is a disposable car. It's meant to be thrown away. Instead of broken down for parts.
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Love how sensitive EV owners get upset.
“Cody is a pretend-gineer and this thing that happened is fake because reasons”
“..I am also not an engineer, but you should listen to me when I condescendingly talk about why a truck frame snapping in half is actually ok.”
You gotta react to the new video he did just now
What was your favorite part of the new video? :)
The part where he proves you wrong?
When he swings the trailer through the window of the F150 😂
Its basically like Jack ass just with more ass and more jacking when the cameras are off.
@@Greggertruck the part where he proves you, and many others, wrong by going to town in all kind of manners on the hitch of the F150 and (you might want to sit for this one) it BENDS instead of straight up shearing off.
Instead of running PR for a billionaire you should demand better quality for your money.
you press the brakes because you are rolling backwards downhill and have cleared the obstacle, and don't want to roll into the recovery vehicle, natural reaction
It is funny that you claim these castings are stronger than the steel used in conventional truck frames. A casting (no matter what the material ) is brittle due to the weak random grain structure. The high strength steel used in conventional truck frames is a cold rolled product that yields a stronger refined grain structure. Castings do not flex, Cold rolled steel will. An impact to a casting can break it, impact to cold rolled steel can dent it. The Tesla frame suffered a major impact when the truck dropped off the culverts and probably created cracks that eventually separated when pulling the other truck off the culverts. The frame of the F150 would have flexed with the same impact or probably be dented or deformed. These test are way beyond real world testing, in the end no vehicle survives his testing.
Greg is not an engineer, he says so, but his commentary reinforces his lack of understanding in basic engineering fundamentals as you have pointed out. It is comical that he talks about stuff as though he does. Castings (esp high pressure die cast) also suffer from porosity which significantly weaken the structure.
Meet me at the culverts, mr truckologist. I'd like to see your truck clear the culverts twice and not have severe frame damage, compromising the integrity.
@@Greggertruck You can't be serious. There are trucks, Jeeps and 4Runners smashing their trailer hitches on ledges daily at rock crawling trails. Go to Moab and you will see the countless scraps and gouges in the rock, but you won't see broken frames and hitches. Any new BOF truck or SUV could take that drop without breaking the frame.
@@Greggertruck whistlin just released a video just for you😘
@@Dahawk427 I found myself arguing with a tons of people over what the outcomes would be if a body on frame truck was subjected to the same conditions and what I found out is most owners are parroting the talking points of the respective company they bought a vehicle from out of ignorance.
In the case of Tesla a ton of owners seem to have gotten into automotive technologie via the new bridge with IT and have no experience and prior interest and knowledge of automotive technologies. Never thoughtfully maintained and repaired vehicles before. Never drove them out of specs. Never consumed motorized sport entertainment.
There are literally ten of thousands of video of trucks rear ends getting absolutely rammed on cement and rocks and surviving. Some fail dramatically but a minority. I am pretty sure if Cody repeated the experiment by dropping a new Cyber truck it would crack quickly and break in the same manner again in less than 10 drops. The casting design is a huge compromise made to help performance, dressed up as a structural feature.
No way bro I off-road all the time and if it pulls the whole bumper off of the truck is wild I’ve been pulled out of a lot of mud holes and some times they had to yank pretty hard and I’ve never seen one sheer the bumper off 😂 I mean aluminum will never be as strong as steel
Not true aluminum be stronger than steel and plenty of forms but what broke was not Billet or sheet aluminum or steel it was cast p*** carts which are total crap and will always fall apart
No way? You clueless fool. It was dropped on the edge of the casting. Multiple times. Fractured the casting. So once it was yanked it split where it was cracked.
would you ever dropped your suspension to its lowest possible setting while doing a 5 ft drop? 😂😂 the cybertruck obviously did the culvert test EFFORTLESSLY so they did it over and over again to get a bad take, ended up breaking the casting when going over in ENTRY mode 😂😂 then problably multiple takes pulling off the FORD which completely failed the text and even had to break check to get a break 😂😂
It was legit. The top brake light didnt come on but the back lights did, after the jolt on the last culvert. Plus you can see the back tire reversing. They were legitimately trying to tow it out and the hitch broke. I cant overlook that 😮
Aged like fine wine
Only if you're completely clueless.
Hopefully you'll do a response video to his latest video too? 🙂
He might OD on cope after watching the new video.
Trying to seriously analyze a WhistlinDiesel video is more humorous than the WD video itself.
The serious and analytical tone of this video is seriously cracking me up. 😂😂
The guy has never seen the gwagon and hillox video and it shows. This is nothing
5:45ish - cracked the frame when they dropped off the culverts onto the square concrete. That jolt towing the ford was the last straw as it were. In the original video they cut away at the time of impact - again as is drops 5 feet with low suspension frame to concrete.
100%
so glad he made another video just to dab on you stupid clowns
even if cody broke the hitch and the subframe it was attached to because he went over the concrete sewer pipes multiple times without properly heightened suspension, it clearly shows the subframe isn't durable and wasn't built for a car that is as heavy as a cybertruck. the use case for this truck is still a question for me, though. it has the functionality to go off-road, and there are probably more people in the world that'll ragdoll the cybertruck like cody does, but the way it was built also makes me think it wasn't built for off-roading at all.
Notice how Cody complained that the suspension kept going down. I think you can't ride the truck at the highest setting its just for getting unstuck else it will drop back down and you need to get out of the car and back in to get to max height again. And the air pump has a low duty cycle and goes into overheat protection quickly and take forever to lift the suspension again. Cody probably did not understand how the suspension worked and had to make a few try that got edited off.
BTW this is funny considering Elon claimed half a decade ago he could fit enougf compressed air in the next Roadster to make it "fly" for short periods at a time. Yet 5 years later engineers could not even design an air pump and reservoir to operate the truck suspension at a decent duty cycle... and that air reservoir is quite large already.
The casting took multiple vertical blows as evidenced by the video. Not the types of stress that is ever seen in normal use. If you want to tell me you plan on driving your vehicle off 7 foot tall ledges landing right on the edge of the casting I’ll tell you you’ve exceeded design limits. There is a very long over hang behind the rear wheels and that generated a ton of vertical force as the truck tail hit the end of the pipes. Obviously cracking the casting. Once the cracks were induced, yanking on it with the amount of torque the CT is capable of producing is easily separated the portion of the casting that had the hitch attached from the rest of itself. Duh! Figure it out! Had NOTHING to do with the position of the suspension.
@@twothbeave The problem is the test is not meant to be scientific and does not highlight where that design limit is. The failure happened by accident. Did the casting already crack when it slipped on the pipe directly off the rear tires or did it require falling down 7 feet on the concrete bloc on the ground? Also, do repetitive small drop or hit on the tongue would cause long term fatigue with similar outcome?
It did highlight however that a conventional designed truck has a frame that is more durable. So if the sole point is to compare durability of this "first principle, out of the box" based approach to a conventional design the results speak of themselves.
I am expecting Cody will look to see the failure point of the battery pack at the end of the tests since that's when the vehicle will be unrecoverable. I know it has a very strong protection plate but I'm curious how it will behave when degraded, or if it will allow any degradation. The thing is filled with epoxy and no repairable.
@@twothbeaveevery vehicle designer should know that their vehicle will be used beyond design specs. A good engineer designs their product knowing how it will be abused, and plans so that the inevitable failure is as safe as possible. For example, when Cody did the same thing with the ford, the frame bent. This is a ductile failure that results in the truck being damaged, but does not create the immediate danger of critical structural elements falling off the truck potentially at high speeds. The catastrophically brittle failure of the cybertruck frame in this situation is completely unacceptable.
@@AirjyBS. More durable? Please show a case where in any real world situation the frame cracks. This is a complete joke.
Wow. I would have never seen that 2% difference. That was a lot of takes difference to get that result of breaking the casting. They clearly went over the culvert in extract, didnt break anything, and then repeated it in low suspension to induce some damage. Almost anyone would have missed that. I enjoyed the video as a Cybertruck owner, but now I've kind of peeved after looking behind the curtain. I want a rematch!
I actually think extract would still hit, but it'd likely reduce the severity of the hit. I'd genuinely love to see an F150, or any ladder frame truck drive off culverts and have the same hit.
He won't do it. THAT would total the F150. Both the front and rear end impacting the ground would destroy any other truck. Meanwhile minutes later he actually yanked the F150 out of the mud with the Cybertruck, no damage.
@@Greggertruck I wont hit either end of the raptors I built but that is because the hitch is gone a long with the bed corners and bottom 25% of the frame horns. In front 8" of frame and the bumper horns were cut off. It's close to max legal bumper height yet about the same suspension height as stock. The frames are seriously reinforced. A stock frame will bend doing this stuff. Would be noticed as thrust angle on alignment or measuring the frame as compared to before or body shop frame data.
They did a rematch... By dropping the F150 like 20 times on it's hitch, then dropping a concrete block on the hitch. It didn't break.
@@randgrithr7387 The used a excavator and lowered the f150 fast not dropped. The chain was never slack until it hit and they started with low drops.
@@MotoGPatrick Cope harder
It’s pretty apparent you’ve never been stuck before 🤔a hitch is a lifeline for a truck and the last thing that needs to break. This truck is a show piece not a truck, the fact that it has the work truck in the name should tell you it’s not taking itself seriously.
It's pretty apparent you've never been stuck before 🤣the first thing that ALWAYS breaks first is TRACTION🤣 the cyberTRUCK is on dirt with aired up 33" offroad tires and has 0 wheel spin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣you should think about thinking more seriously
How often do you drop your truck from 6 feet?
@@2mmsme what does traction have to do with a hitch breaking? If you’re stuck that means you don’t have traction and need a what? A hitch 😑
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 it’s not the height. It’s the fragility that’s concerning, a hitch is supposed to take just as much punishment as the frame.
Both trucks would have the same force on their hitches. I am not denying that the CyberTruck had previous damage. But taking a video from Cody seriously is hilarious. He ridicules every vehicle he 'tests'.
Absolutely a comedian, but people take it seriously and think he's somehow exposed something about the Cybertruck. Would be neat if what he exposed was the repairability of the casting, but something tells me he will not actually let Tesla repair it.
He didnt brake, the front wheel rolled in the gap between the front ramp and culvert...
The brake lights came on lol
Those are brake lights, not culvert lights. Thanks for watching!
@@Greggertruck the lights don't come on, look at the middle light above the bed
Even if he did brake it doesn't matter because the truck was going to stop abruptly like that when it also fell into the gap which is indisputably visible lol
Which also doesn't matter because that only distinguishes he didn't do yhat on purpose but that shouldn't happen anyway and ultimately it happened because its an 1/8" cast aluminum frame with barely any attachment
I get you don't know this but when you tow an 11000 pound trailer it is going to put a ton of variable and backward pressure on the hitch and frame
@@Greggertruckyou were proved wrong, thanks for reading!
Run at video at .25 speed at 6:16, you'll see the timing of events. Note the slack in the chain that gets taut after the brake is applied. When the chain is taut AFTER the brake is applied, the Cybertruck breaks.
Haha aged like milk
I found it interesting that the guy was on a low state of charge during the video. He managed to fill up the Ford tank.
I found it interesting he pretended he didn't have a charger, that he showed off later in the video having. He's also had other Tesla.
Pretty much nailed all the stuff that I paused and pointed out the day the video went live from Cody. I enjoyed the content and was laughing non-stop but reality here is he drove the entertainment vs. the real world facts. As a off-roader since the age of 5 (ATV, UTV, 2WD, 4WD - Dirt, Sand, etc) so much of this was just ?? to those that think this would ever happen. I've had the same thing happen to a Tacoma we yanked out of a ditch buried in snow a few years back the clown freaked out and hit the brakes and well, his front end no long existed, tore his front bumper off, pulled it from the frame rails, radiator core support, all of it gone, the 1 ton truck did its work?
Fact is - A) I'm sure Tesla went back over engineering from this video to check things and ensure QA looked correct B) Physics are what they are, you want something to break you can do it.
a regular truck frame wouldnt of broke like that. castings are too brittle.
@@billybobbob3003 Keep pretending bud but I've seen it all on the trails and offroad.. Nothing is bullet proof and will break.
@@billybobbob3003
It would have bent. And that's really a total loss, unlike a broken casting.
@@andrasbiro3007 lol its more durable stuff that bends vs stuff that just snaps like some peanut brittle bar.
@@billybobbob3003It's not a matter of durability, if the underframe of your vehicle is cracked or bent out of proper alignment, it's totalled.
Honestly, it's better for it to crack and break-off rather than bend so you don't have to take chances with the vehicle (thinking it's just a minor bend, nothing too serious).
That's how people end up causing accidents on the road when they drive their side-winding cars with completely messed up body frames; just because it's not completely sheared off, doesn't mean it's road safe anymore.
How come you didn't cover the part (on another video angle) of the rear end totally smashing the concrete step when the Cybertruck fell off the concrete tubes? That's most likely when/where the frame got fractured. In all of this that is likely the most important part of the story and you totally didn't even mention unless I missed something.
Also, don’t comment on the strength of castings if you’re not an engineer. The manufacturing process isn’t exactly the issue. It’s the material. Aside from that, the idea you think that a casting can be “fixed” is just silly.
It can absolutely be fixed. You can weld a casting.
They also gloss over that they killed the F-150 in the first 5 minutes of the video when they backed it off the flat-bed and tore the driveshaft off lol
" gloss over" - Literally shows multiple takes of the driveshaft exploding and how it cost $800 to replace.
So the drive shaft breaking is a full demerit to the f150 when they just have to replace a part. But when the cybertruck frames gets totaled it's "only because of the same thing" how do you figure that
No they didn't? Do you see what he does to cars?? Go watch the gwagon video
Broken part that cost $900 to fix vs a broken frame that totals the $110000 vehicle.
You forgot to show in the intro they have a full view of the rear slamming into the shelf at the very bottom like 1 ft off the ground. During the main portion of the video they cut away from that impact and that’s where it took most of the damage!
Exactly it was damaged from the beginning
Ok cool the drop damaged it.. it's still the same problem it can only take one good hit and then the frame is compromised
It’s aluminium it’s a vehicle for those men who have little dogs in their handbags. The yield strength of steel is almost 3 times greeter.
The cyber truck suits those men who like carrying around toys dogs in their handbags. It’s a total fraud. But yet people seem surprised. It’s useless at everything except accelerating in a straight line. I’m always amused about people who defend it. Aluminium has a tensile strength almost 3 x less than steel and more if it’s tensile steel. It’s dangerous to all road users especially pedestrians and motorcyclists.
Also he was using a chain. So dangerous. He’s lucky the hitch didn’t fly off and kill someone.
Everything he does is mad dangerous. Dude was riding a rocket engine on a merry go round.
Are you implying that you shouldn't tow with chains at all or just in a "durability test"
He's Sidd from Toy Story pretendgineering as a truckologist on the internet.
That's not towing, that's recovery. The chains snap and fly into windows and have killed people many times.
There's nothing wrong with using a chain.
At the end of the video you highlight "Tesla has made the safest vehicles on the road for the last several years. They're unmatched in safety so the idea that they've somehow overlooked that on the Cyber truck... it's arguably the safest truck on the road"
Would the CyberTruck even pass the European pedestrian safety standard if it was light enougf to be available to drive with a regular license there? The angular and stiff external panels are a statement that pedestrian safety wasn't the priority in the design of this particular vehicle. Even from the driver's perspective, how can the 'bullet proof" windows be safer than standard windows? They can't be as easily broken in case of an accident.
Elon's idea was to make the toughest vehicle but hyped it too much AND ultimately they could only afford to make the outside though to maintain a reasonable weight and cost so the "frame" was made of cast aluminum instead of steel with the result WhislinDiesel highlighted. We can see the front and rear castings in details in the Munro videos and there is no way they can be repaired in vast majority of welding shops. Same is true for the battery pack, contrary to previous Tesla models individual cells module are not replaceable as the whole back is filled with epoxy.
As for the video editing hiding the exact number of times the rear end got hit with a vertical load before cracking and breaking... unless this number is extremely large its still going to be a concern to many type of off-road or towing incidents. It is a legit issue.
The casting broke when they dropped it off the culvert. The slaming the brakes on the f-150 was just the final bit of it.
Probably true, but there is no doubt the 150 or any modern truck with a rolled steel frame and hitch would have shrugged that damage off. Cast Aluminum is probably one of the worst materials to build a towing frame out of since it has such low tensile strength and ductility. There is a reason historically casting in the automotive industry has only ever been used for engine blocks and other non load bearing components, ie transmission housings. And when casting is used in a vehicle for something that's load bearing it's significantly reinforced to compensate, such as steering knuckles etc, and those are always made out of cast steel which stronger than aluminum for the same amount of material.
They did the exact same thing to the F-150, but only of of those cars experienced catastrophic failure.
@@nrub Tell me you didnt watch the video without telling me you didnt actually watch the video.
@@benlzicar7628 The f-150 broke falling off the truck and didnt make it across the culvert. I guess the rolled steel frame didnt help in either one of those cases.
He didn't brake though, that was the front tires rolling into the first gap between the ramp and first culvert
The critical steering condition when the front wheels were off the Culver and he stopped on the frame? That condition.
The hitch and frame came off when the front wheels of the F150 dropped into the culver riven. Not when the F150 brakes were pressed
Thanks for doing this
missed the 2nd take ? hell no , Cody even says , we'll do a second take !
The hitch is steel and they could do a redesign of just the hitch frame to be less stiff in upward impacts so it just bends upward.
The dude bought the Cybertruck to make it look as bad as he could. No neutrality in the video at all.
If we begin to praise such low ugly hanging fruit, one can only see the future already and how 5 cars will exist for millions of people and I sure wouldn’t want them looking like that
Well i am actually an engineer and i can tell you that YES steel can snap depending on its level of rigidity (more carbon=more rigidity less flexibility) aluminum will bend under low impact forces but snaps under high impact forces.
Good analysis. That's the same thing I noticed the first time I watched it. But I failed to detect the multiple takes. It makes me think the Cybertruck was taken over the end of the culverts at least 2 or three times to break the casting. It's all just entertainment and keeping Whistlin' Diesel's subscribers happy driving last centuries technology.
It's all in the name, diesel. At one point he says he loves the Cybertruck. Wish we saw the F150 make it over the culverts to actually have a comparison. But that'd have exposed to truth about the ladder frame and the video would be over there.
@@Greggertruck Exactly! I've already navigated trails in my Dual Motor Cybertruck that my F-150 4x4 wouldn't have stood a chance of making. The driveshaft is too vulnerable, the ground clearance too low, the maneuverability too clumsy, and it didn't come with front and rear locking differentials as standard equipment. The limited slip rear differential on my F-150 (that I had to pay extra for) wore out the first winter. It's been an open differential for more than a decade because I refuse to replace expensive clutch packs in the differential every spring. Simply not practical.
Probably just as important, the ride on rugged roads and trails is so much nicer in the Cybertruck, it seems to float over the terrain, while the F-150 pounds you, as it rocks you violently from side to side. It's no contest! And Ford can't design a good audio system even if you overpay for it. The sound just sucks compared to the clarity, depth and dimension of Cybertruck's stereo. And that's important to me because I'm not going to pay a car audio company $8,000 to put a better stereo in the Ford when I know it won't even come close to sounding as good as the Cybertruck's OEM audio system that comes standard on every Cybertruck. To get a F-150 fully loaded, with the on and off-road performance anywhere near a Cybertruck is impossible. But if you try you will end up in a F-150 Raptor R, fully loaded for around $130-$140K, and it will still suck compared to the stock Cybertruck. The payload and towing capacity will be less than HALF! The ground clearance will be more limiting and the road noise will be deafening, in comparison. The cabin air handling will be worse, the maneuverability and ease of driving will be far inferior, the bed will be smaller, you won't get a lockable motorized tonneau cover, the bodywork and paint will be as fragile as a china doll, and on and on and on.
Nerds
Electric cars are last century's tech. Some of the first automobiles were battery powered. There's a reason ICE dominates.
Remember they broke the ford completely within the first 5 minutes of the video. But no one seems to be talking about that.
classic
They broke it and fixed it for like a grand in less than a day. How much does it cost to fix a Cyber truck frame? About $100,000 because you _CAN'T FIX IT._
That’s all great. But the frame snapped. That’s absolutely unacceptable in any scenario. Something that has as high of consequences as a failing frame/ trailer hitch, should have an appropriate safety factor. Clearly they didn’t.
What would the F150 have done if dropped like that? It would have been totaled.
Awesome video, but it survived C4
It survived an unknown explosive charge but it wasn't C4 as demolition explosive experts have already confirmed.
This test is 100% authentic lol. There was nothing fake about his video. People are just trying to defend the cyber truck. In all honesty the cyber truck sucks and is not safe
Wrong.
I figure the brake issue was the driver afraid they were going to roll back into the cybertruck.
I’m surprised you didn’t point out the fact that the rear end of that frame took a huge hit coming off the culverts. I suspect it was fractured then then the pull did it in.
No amount of videos will change the fact that castings crack while steal frames bend. It’s bad engineering to cut cost on a $100k+ car.
It's very repairable, that's great engineering. If you impacted a steel frame it'd likely have bent and is likely no longer repairable. Opposite for the castings in Cybertruck, on top of that aluminum doesn't rust unlike the steel frames.
My video wasn't to address metallurgy or scientific fact. It's to address the lie that the Cybertruck casting just simply ripped off.
Meanwhile a minute later he rescued the F150 just fine with the Cybertruck front end, which wasn't impacted.
@@Greggertruckclassic argument for why something cheaper and basic is better for us while costing us more... not like it’s something we haven’t heard before right?
Did you mention costs for such repairs? I myself don’t care for EV seems like female vehicles to me, everything that made a car beast that scared them into something so tame it’s boring and safe lol
@@Greggertruckit’s not repairable at all it’s part of the frame of the truck.
The simple fact is he couldnt have done that to another truck if he tried
I recently took delivery of my Cybertruck 8/1/24 and it’s awesome so far. I agree with your view of this video. They both failed this test, but the Cybertruck did way better than the F-150. Not to mention the Cybertruck flew way higher on the jump test. This was an extreme durability test of both trucks. Thank you for the ride-height break down, I wouldn’t have caught that detail otherwise. Great video.
Right on
Kody made a second vid just for durability on the Ford tow hitch. Like they f...Ed that truck up . But it would be nice for your review on the new vid
The cybertruck is a pile of crap lol
Go and cope
Don't worry! Elon promised an upcoming software update that will strengthen the frame of the CT! And it will only cost the owners 10 000 Tesla Fun Bucks(like 50k American)
Good job! I figured there were multiple takes .
Great breakdown!
Appreciate it!
GREAT VIDEO!
Thanks much!!
You would press on the brakes to make sure you don't roll backwards into the back of the cybertruck. Regardless people have been pressing on the brakes by mistake for decades during recovery atemps and it doesn't snap the frame off. Castings can be strong if they are beefed up enough but aluminum castings tend to be brittle. If you have two steel framed trucks hitched up together the chain would break before the frame snaps in half.
I'm fully aware of careful driving. but here..... wouldn't hitting either truck be on brand? Regardless.
The casting was already crashed on the culverts multiple times at that point. It's more the understanding that the brakes are the coupe de grace here.
@@Greggertruck Even if the frame was cracked from the concrete cylinders that would not have happened on a steel-framed truck. Even if you bend the hitch and even the frame it would not have snapped off the way the cast aluminum frame did.
I have seen many truck bumpers come down on rocks when they are off-roading and I have never heard of a frame snapping off.
It isn't anything individually, it is all these factors combined that made it tear off. Also per kg Aluminium is stronger then steel. So steel is not better. Aluminium isn't used because it is expensive, if it was cheaper every company would use it instead of steel. Casting makes it around about the same price as steel.
@@lachlanB323 Steel is better because steel would not have snapped off, it might have bent but it would have held together.
@@737mechanic "Aluminium is much more flexible than steel, meaning it can be easily bent into various shapes. Steel is more rigid and will break if pushed too far. Aluminium is also very ductile and can be stretched without cracking". First google result lol.
So yeah, steel is just worse for this application, however since steel is cheaper it's better.
But thanks to giga casting aluminium while slightly more expensive is much closer in cost while decreasing weight which is important for the range of an ev hence the cost sacrifice.
You also noticed that whistling diesel doesn’t appear to have anything on X.🤔 probably because he doesn’t want community notes proving him wrong on his statements he doesn’t like rebuttal to what he puts out for content
Did well with the C4: Cybertruck for the win!
how ? after the c4 the f150 door still was usable & even locked. the cybertucks doors were stuck. & after the c4 & all the tests the f150 still drives, the cybertuck is beyond totalled
I've seen a chevy 1500 get so much speed to pull someone out of a mud hole that the rear tires jump a couple of feet of the ground with no issues to the chev. Steel frame baby. I like elon but aluminum is for airplanes not american trucks
Great Video Man
May May all day day
I feel for you mate i wouldn't be happy seeing that hope they can fix it..lets be real id rather a towbar/chassis that will bend when im using it like a dickhead.. not snap!
nice breakdown, obnoxious thumbnail :/
bold all red "FRAUD?"
Nice breakdown!
Video starts at 3:10
Youve been very quiet since his follow up video.
Good video. The haters are never going to change their minds, but it's good to see facts.
It was worth a try. Just like to be on the right side of the truth here, represented by the evidence he voluntarily left in the edit.
Great breakdown Greg! thanks!
Thanks dogg
WD knows how to get the views. He is like pro wrestling. Its a show and his audience are old truck guys.
And teen boys in Morgan Whallen cosplay. Absolutely his fan base.
Wow you really got your feelings hurt
Ŕeguardless if its designed to crumble it failed.. period.. that frame is not fixable. Its casted together with chit aluminum which i brittle and crumbles easy..
To have a 11000 lb tow rating that part of the frame should be a minimum 3/8" thick..
Yes I'm a engineer..
Cat on the counter???
Ewwww. Can't watch anymore.
very good points made :)
Too many shortcuts made, and coverups for entertainment's sake. Fake youtubers being exposed every day now, had hoped WD was better than this :(
Multiple takes he could of put it in park who knows to get out of the truck to hook the ford up to the cyber truck 🤨
Damn you are really butt hurt over an entertainment video. Quick UA-cam tip, no one finds your Tyler the Creator, Chris Farley, etc. video interjections funny or entertaining
Elaborate explanation not needed. The cybertruck frame where the hitch is attached is not as strong as a conventional steel frame and will do this if under enough stress. Take a look at whistlin's newest video 😂
Bud he put the same stress on that F-150...😂. Only difference is the frame doesn't snap off on a regular truck. Certified Elon simp over here.
Really solid video, I was a big fan of whistlindiesel’s video and I don’t doubt that he may have manipulated the video for more views. However, the frame snapping is a very concerning thing. As someone who has worked in the automotive field for years I can confidently say that building a truck frame out of aluminum is a bad idea. Aluminum is a great material for a lot of things and they are very often used in the manufacturing of frames, but you don’t find them on trucks, you find them on coupes and sedans. They are very light, but they are brittle, they don’t bend. Yes I could see how the video could have been manipulated but it doesn’t change the design of the car, and that frame is a critical design flaw for something that claims to have more utility than a truck. Once again tho, great video!
Then pay attention! The frame did not snap, the rear casting broke at the area the bolt in hitch assembly attaches to!
An area engineered to crumple in collisions.
It can be swapped back out in just 1 giant piece ad a new hitch assembly and bam you are good to go AGAIN! 👍🏻
You posted a video "Cybertruck Beta Shareholder Day Cyber Round Up 2023"
This event would have been for insiders and it means you are a shareholder and have a conflict of interest?
This UA-camr tries to destroy a lot of other vehicles....
Clearly more testing is needed, and by an independent engineering contract. One thing I'd question is the safety of using an aluminum frame, and attaching steel plates to that frame. Usually it's the other way around.
I predict a rear frame detachment and runaway trailer by August 2025.
@@stampedetrail2003 what a big pile of cow dung you are putting here is amazing!
Just proved your microwave wrong
Hahaha jokes on you, I don’t own a microwave.
Who cares! The video was greatness
But Elon bad!
Are you there Grok?
All I hear is WAHHHH WAHHHHH WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Fact is, that thing broke like a piece of glass...
... Which it's supposed to do, as the same the steel frame would bend. Go prove it otherwise.
@@Greggertruckthere’s a difference between bending and breaking. And he didn’t intentionally slam on the brakes. The whole entire frame sheered off that’s not supposed to happen
The CT actually held up pretty well compared to a lot of the vehicles he destroys. I love that Tesla tried making something wild and unique but all I see about this is tow trucks and computer failures. These things are building a legacy for being one of the worst purchases an enthusiast could buy.
Genuinely embarrassing levels of cope
Not really. What's embarrassing is you TDS freaks frothing at the mouth with rage against the Cybertruck refusing to understand that a 6 foot drop on the back of the frame like that would total any truck.
Aged like fine milk
don't be so offended
Why didn't the Ford's bumper and tow hitch come flying off?
Why didn't the Ford make it over the culverts? 👎
@@Greggertruck shorter suspension and less torque. Still doesn't explain why the Tesla's hitch literally tore off. It didn't break off. It ripped. and it wasn't even that extreme of a recovery.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. You can’t fix stupid. Setting the tires low to shatter the bumper crumple cans during the drop off the culverts onto a giant concrete block conveniently not covered by dirt guarantees the hitch failure. If you want to hate Tesla, to hate the Cybertruck, to stick it to Elon, try reeeeeellllyyy hard like whistling deisel did to make your dreams come true. If Tesla hate gets the most advertising dollars and clicks, than you make it fail. Personally, I laughed through the entire piece, not because they broke the truck, but because how obviously hard they had to work to get it to fail. The thing that people need to realize is 1.9 million people die each year in car accidents and 20million die from respiratory pollution related deaths and we sink 30% of our income into ICE automobiles. Teslas safety saves 1million people each year, they don’t make chemicals and pollution airborne to kill anyone each year, and they cost half as much to operate. Whistling deisel wants your money, your health, and wants you to die in an accident by entertaining your Tesla hate. The funny part to this is how dumb you would have to be to believe any of it.
"they don’t make chemicals and pollution airborne to kill anyone each year" correction, they don't make them where you live. They absolutely do, but it happens far away from your home, so it doesn't bother you that children who mine lithium and rare earth metals for your car's batteries and electric motors suffer, because your electric car "cost[s] half as much to operate".
@@nrub You have more cobalt in your cellphone than I have in my Tesla, clearly you must have done the homework to back up your “feelings”. But hey, it makes you feel better, I bow to your superior willful ignorance😂
Lmao 🤣
A rare genuine like on a yt video. TY
Another fan boy . 38 year as auto tech. In body shop and heavy line tech For dealership nothing should have broken it should bend not snap off if in wreck or accident
None of the edits cracked the frame. Or casting as you want to rename it si it's nonchalantly not thought of as the frame. 😅😅😅
more like crybaby truck
cool stuff!
Thanks dub
Boohoo
Goooooood eye!
BIASED!! 😂😂
You're throwing around "facts" that aren't proven.
The second i saw you had your own cybertruck, i knew what was up
Brakes or not, that would not have sheared like that if it was a cast iron tow hitch.
If you're so confident, I know where the culverts were - lets drive yours off and test it out!
@@Greggertruck I would happily pull that f-150 with my little Tacoma. I've pulled Tundras with rav4s for God's sake.
Cody is funny but it's obvious that this shit is extremely biased and meant to get views
How you going to fix cast unless you re-melt it and recast it it’s not like you can weld it back together 😂
You literally can indeed weld and rivet the casting, which is the procedure to repair it.
cope seethe mald
I was about to do a Video on this .. all my friend been texting me how bad my cybertruck sucks show me this video.. i told them its click bait.
Your explanation is irrelevant. This should not happen to a truck.
Did you just say Tesla’s are the safest cars on the road?
😂😂😂 someones balls deep in Tesla stock and is sh1tting onesself 😂
Not really. Tesla has more cash in the bank than Toyota's net worth.
Tesla also has the best selling car in the world 2 years in a row. They sell more Model Y than Toyota sells Corollas... And Model Y is more expensive and has better margins.
That's only the car side of the business... You factor that in with energy storage, robo taxis, insurance business, etc, Tesla is going to be the biggest company in the world soon.
Thank you for exposing this FUD
In the laws of physics both trucks were being pulled on with equal force. These cope videos are more hilarious than WD.
I'm not sure you've ever taken a physics class, I've not. but.
That high centered, stuck F150 is being pulled, not pulling.
Thanks for watching!
The cyber truck is cool. But it's not anywhere close to repairable. Or as sturdy as a body on frame truck. Its built differently. A truck frame is designed to flex and twist. I can straighten a frame in my driveway. And there are about 4 different frame shops in my town. You can't fix a casting reliably. The strength comes from it being poured as one piece. If try to weld a new rear section of frame it's just creating a weak point. Aluminum body panels on high end cars are easy to repair. Since they are not welded to the steel frame and unibody. They just use panel bond and rivets. So, no welding is required. Cyber truck is a disposable car. It's meant to be thrown away. Instead of broken down for parts.