@@umbreonmax_hd3209 😲 I didn't know it was your voice, I thought it was Zvallid Voice, well before I watch his video about UA-cam Strike. BTW, I really liked your voice when you're explaining about Germania architecture in the old Zvallid alternate scenario about Alternative WW2
I have been awaiting this timeline it is such an interesting yet incredibly underrated timeline. The GOAT Zvallid is back let’s goo Please do the second outcome where Japan joins this could lead to a very interesting scenario where there’s war between Europe and America. Britain and Germany would be even more unstoppable if they had a much more powerful ally than China in the far east like the Empire Of Japan.
And now, atong last our men of the war, our men of 1914, the grim ranks of our ex service men, betrayed again and again by politicians, they join hands,with the new youth, the new generation, which remembers the might past, we say that England is not dead, we say, and i ask you again to stay with us, lift up your voices, within this great meeting in the heart of england, and to all the world, a message, England lives and marches on!
@@rc59191 Brittain faught hand in hand with Commies and sold half of Euope to them just to sell evertyhing else to neomarxist today. Well done, enjoy your gangs on the streets and multi0jukti.
@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice a survey from 2017 suggests 37% people living in London, were born in other countries. You know that despite being smaller than France, the UK takes in over double the amount of immigrants, as France does. Are you able to share any information that would substantiate your claim? Or, no?
I like how you are totally neutral narrating, no matter what country, person or politics you are talking about, you never make jokes or provocative comments. I would really like to see the WW2 version of this line. You are the best alternative history channel I have seen so far, keep up the good work.
“Totally neutral narrating”… really??? “Never makes provocative comments”? Are you serious? At 5:57, he *blatantly* accuses, “…does that remind you of anything?”. In that one sentence, he reveals his anti-Brexit stance and, even worse, *falsely equates* being anti-globalist with being f-sc-st. The two are NOT inherently connected! This is a shocking and appalling misrepresentation!!!
As Mike said from Breaking Bad, “No Half Measures.” As the same result of less deaths would have occurred either way if they crushed Germany head on early on, or just basically come to an agreement/surrender to it.
@@MaxiAleksander I think he’s making it. He said he will make two Videos and I think it’s clear that he left this video on a cliffhanger. Should come out soon.
Best case for the axis: They manage to beat the russians fast by getting to there industry, then they have a navy draw with the USA and call it peace. Worst case: Russia still loses - but buys enough time for the USA to mobilize. That would be a LONG war.
Has a Englishman in my 60s. I often wonder what my country would have been like today , if we had of joined forces with Germany...after all .. to most of us English...who are of Anglo-Saxon blood...we are virtually of the same blood line ... distant cousins and so are our own Royal family ...makes you think...lol
Yes, but our relations with the USA would have been poisoned forever and we would have been frozen from any trade with North and South America. Canada would have united with the USA and Australia and NZ likewise. And we would have been hated by every country in the world apart from Germany, Italy and Japan, and a few others.
@tancreddehauteville764 I believe even to this day, that most of Europe has never been that keen on us Brits anyway...only in regards to tourism... just look at Britain and Europe today, and tell me if it's a better place...?..I think we all know the answer to that one.
@@micksmith106 Most Europeans have no issue with UK citizens, just drunk , low IQ knuckledragging English plebs. The rest of the English are fine though.
20:35 there is no way in hell that it would take them this long for them to reach Moscow. Because Germany did that by themselves by December 1941 with them still fighting Britain and occupying much of Europe. An allegiance of that size and solely fighting the Soviet Union with its old borders. They would at best reach the Ural mountains by winter and at worst Fall of 1942
Plus with free access to Dutch, British and American markets and a docile Japan they'd have easy access to Rubber, oil and the heavy industries of the Rust Belt and S.E England and West Scotland to motorize their armies at record speeds as well which would be a great boon for Germany's logistical line.
Yes. If George Washington had remained loyal to his commission as an army officer, he could have arranged the independence of the USA without the need for a war. Just like Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand etc.
@@TheRichardSpearmanIf George Washington had never started the French and Indian Wars then there would have been no need to raise taxes against the colonies thereby removing the main excuse for the War of Independence in the first place.
I think you're forgetting about France. If they found themselves without British support, they would most likely seek Soviet and American support, which means they could back Poland, as long as they believed Britain would not directly support Germany. Additionally, the Wehrmacht faced serious logistical problems in its invasion of Poland and France, which were resolved for Barbarossa. Those adjustments wouldn't have occurred, which would have made the 1941 invasion more difficult. As a result, the USSR would have been able to fight better, especially if they had French support from the 1930s. Even so, Germany would have won, even if Mosley didn’t send an expeditionary force.
@@zvallidif the Germans were to win, I believe it would be more useful for something similar to Vichy/friendly government to be instated to prevent this.
@@zvallid it could be an idea, but i don't know if france is truly willing to enter directly in a war where is completely encircled without brititish support. Also the Uk wouldn't be happy to enter in a war against France, it's the last counterbalance present in the continent and they have good relationship since fashioda, they won't be willing to step them in the back. France won't suicide itself entering a war impossible to win, neither the Uk wants this suicide, since ok having germany allied, but would be crazy giving them egemony over all of europe. The english channel's coasts are safer in the hand of another great power less powerful than germany, as France. France could consider to join just if they have already some allied troops in their territory, maybe the USA could sign a defensive pact with france, bringing already some division to europe, justifying it with something like ''joint training'', and if they are sure to be able to compete on the seas and in the skyes. Also since we are in 1941 i think they are well prepared and mechanized too, so i don't imagine something like fell gelb could happen again. Moreover we have to consider how Uk is attached to the belgium, would they be happy to risk it conceding to germans to occupy it? and if it's the case would belgium be so stupid to not understand the only way to survive is signing an alliance with france? Just some suggestions and thoughts, i reallu appreciate your works and the effort you put behind
This is a very good scenario of Britain turning far-right, and the description comparing to current UK situation is very accurate. The other possibility of Britain turning far-right would be the two red brothers: the Comintern won WWII in Europe in 1934, while a cold war started with the iron curtain on the Atlantic and in the east. With a Comintern occupying Eurasia, Japan turned fascist, with figures like Masaki Jinzaburo and Kita Ikki became the new members of the one-party state government. A second KKK movement rose in USA and attempt to seize power to establish a neo-confederacy (suppose Union of Confederate States of America, UCSA), Australia, New Zealand would be under US influence and turns some degree right, while Japanese Empire supported pro-Japanese factions in Malaysia. In India, after independence, several factions fought for dominance: Ghandi, Nehru Ghandi, Subhas Chandra Bose, Indian Communist Party (ICP) and independence movement of Pakistan, East Pakistan (corresponding to Bangladesh today) happened. The leader of ICP would be Manabendra Nath Roy. Churchill government of UK would try to maintain British Commonwealth, and put pressure on new Indian government to at least maintain a status like South Africa, typically the Union of India, but the internal conflict of India would intensify with increasing fragmentation of political factions, the Union of India entered an era similar as China between 1911 to 1929 in our timeline, the civil war would happen, and several factions fight each other endlessly until one of them eventually won. Most factions as long as they are not separatist would aim for controlling the whole territory of the former dominion. The second KKK movement would have branches in Canada, if later in USA, someone like Huey Long became new president, the influence of KKK would gradually increase and possibly after several years, KKK won parliament elections in Canada. UK would be increasingly economically dependent on USA, or UCSA if KKK took power after several years, or even 10 years. In this case, it is reasonable to consider that the Allies in this timeline, after 10 or 15 years, becomes Axis due to heightened cold war tensions and the economic recovery/further rise of Comintern red powers. Global communist movements are far larger and more appealing to colonial and post-colonial countries, uprisings would happen in Free France areas (now centered at Algeria as mainland of France become People's Republic of France/Democratic France) and other British colonies like Egypt, Iraq, Myanmar, Serendip, Southwest Africa (corresponding to Namibia), Argentina, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela and others (for example Viet Cong against Japanese). The increasing instability of these colonies or post-colonies would affect the economic model established based on former military conquer of colonial powers, typically the price scissors between the raw materials and agricultural products like rubber in colonies/former colonies and the industrial products like steel, ready-made clothing, automobiles made in the mainland of colonial powers. Not only these supplies would be affected, the major markets who these colonial powers relied on are now becoming or being occupied by the Comintern, and cut off most of the trade with them as naval blockade continues. The market is closed, the supplies are disrupted, greater problems like economic downturn would rise, giving a possibility for authoritarian governments to rise, despite that there were no place for authoritarian factions to grow or the government rejected authoritarian factions before. Political polarization becomes an everyday phenomenon. Switzerland would be forced to accept a cohabitation of socialist political parties and a supervision of Comintern committe, nationalization of Credit Suisse and Swiss Bank, managers being reshuffled under Rosa Luxemburg's statements. In Turkey, Kemal's westernization reform would be closer to socialism, as his secular statement on the new republic had a correspondence with Marx's atheism, also he would not want to antagonize the red powers as the Trotskyist Soviet Union is on Turkey's gate, the leftist factions in Turkey would grow. In 1938, Kemal would have died, and there would be another presidential election, probably a president sympathetic to socialism would be elected afterwards. In this situation, we would have WWI: Imperialism vs Imperialism (colonial empires fight each other) WWII: Capitalism vs Communism (colonial and capitalist empires fight against proletariat world revolution), or Allies vs Comintern WWIII: Fascism vs Communism (remained colonial and capitalist empires turn fascist, and fights proletariat world revolution), or Axis vs Comintern This conflict at this state is not only the conflict between ideologies, but also a conflict between geopolitical interests, and the grand battle between naval power and continental power
I've just finished watching this for the 10th time. It's like a movie. And this time, I made sure to make myself popcorn and turn the volume all the way up!
One thing with Mosley that no one understood, is that he held NO fascist policies. He named his party "Fascist" because it was different to Conservative or Labour. People always say "But he was friends with Hitler and Mussolini" but this means nothing as both Roosevelt and Churchill became buddies with Stalin, but that doesn't make them communists. Mosley visited Mussolini many times to talk about how Mussolini managed to gain leadership without a violent revolt, this doesn't make him a fascist. Sir Oswald Mosley would have been a splendid Prime Minister, and the British Empire would still exist today. And there would be no American Economic Empire.
@@zvallid True, his economic views/policies were based on fascist examples. But I still don't think he was an actual fascist, as the way he carried the party, the way he respects the monarchy and people, the way he addresses certain threats were all from a centralised position. He was not for or against the monarchy. He was not for or against LGBTQ social integration. He was not for or against the movements of the Jews. Members of his party were certainly anti-jew, but Mosley himself even wanted Britain to take all the Jews to save them from Germany. I'm glad I found your channel as this was an interesting take on some alt-history.
And the majority population of the empire would be Black - yet Mosley didn't want us knee-grows around in the mother country of that same empire. Sounds like a good job he never got anywhere.
Rudolf Hess would remain deputy fuhrer in this world since in our timeline he was arrested by the British in Scotland after flying their attempting to negotiate a peace, Italo Balbo would survive as well since in our timline he died after his ship was sunk by the British which would never happen in this world The UK would likely lose India in the 50s but i doubt Mosley would crack down on India since he actually sympathised with their cause in real life
Germany and Britain give more support to China and, as a result, relations with Japan begin to cool. Operation Barbarossa begins. Emboldened by the deteriorating relations between the US and Britain and the war with Russia, Japan launched a simultaneous attack on the oil and raw material rich British colonies on December 7, 1941. Japan and the Soviet Union are now allies. Both sides withdrew their armies from each other's borders. Millions of soldiers are now free. So that in the spring of 1942 Moscow can resist, despite high losses. The embargo on Soviet ports is relaxed, the RAF's effectiveness on the eastern front is reduced. A longer and more difficult war
I wanna ask are you gonna make another one with the last part as scenario this time? with a huge war between German-british-italian-japanese axis and USA-USSR-France-China alliance?
Hello Zvellid, greetings from Mexico, excellent reflection, product of great research work. Could you consider the following question for your next video: What would happen if Germany and Russia fought as allies in the First World War (taking as an argument the alliance of the three emperors proposed by Bismarck)?
As a Brit In this timelime I would be an American from the state of Georgia because my most paternal Great grandfather was an American GI and the only reason why I'm British is because WW2 happened and he happened to be stationed in the UK where he met my British Great Grandma and got her pregnant whilst he was over here. In this timeline, none of that would happen
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Many British Bren gun carrier were captured by the Germans when they conquered France. German soldiers loved them and they used them when fighting the Russians.
@@zvallid universal carriers weren't built to be under fire much if at all, they weren't tanks, they were primarily logistics vehicles as well as mobile artillery. That's why the Germans loved them so much, because their logistics were awful
US, China and Russia which in our timeline is the world superpower having to rival the lost power group (Britain, Germany, and Japan) is such an interesting and funny timeline 😂
I believe that if Germany and Britain are both on one team they would be pretty much unstoppable. The combined might of the British Royal Navy the largest fleet in the world and the German Wehrmacht the most modern and powerful land army on earth would be a forced to be reckoned with not to mention the RAF and Luftwaffe combined are easily the most powerful airforce in the world. The British and German industry combined would definitely be able to rival any other power in the world. And with nearly all of Europe In the sphere of the Germans the land army would be enough to counter the huge yet severely under equipped Red Army, and the combine might of Britains Royal Navy in the Atlantic and the Imperial Japanese Navy in the Pacific the USN would be outnumbered. Germany and Britain allied combined with a more powerful and much better supplied Japan would be enough to win and if France even attempted to get involved they are literally surrounded on every single side.
To make the scenario with Japan a bit realistic, we say that Siam get's some border territories, if Japan recognizes the rest of India as British and help GB put down Indian resistance movements. Now let's start the scenario: Case Yellow and Case Red will go as in OTL, same with Britain and Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was unstable anyway, so better dissolve it. Greece was a British ally, but the Greek didn't have to offer much in OTL. If the Italian army had joined the war one year later, it would have broken through the Greek lines. Even in OTL, Greece was already done, when Bulgaria joined the war. So I doubt, the British would care much about Greece. Turkey is a bit of a wild card. In this situation, the axis could give Turkey French Syria and Iraq. Iraq alone was distroyed instantly in OTL and if Iraq would belong to Turkey and Turkey would be on the axis side, that wouldn't be that much of an issue. I think the axis could also give Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as puppet states to Turkey. Hitler would have enough living space without them. This war would be won by the axis without a doubt. In OTL, Churchill commanded a lot of the RN to hunt the Bismarck. Think about what would happen, if Bismarck and Rodney would fight side by side. This would be a nightmare for the US. Even without Turkey the USSR and China would be done. The Imperial German and Japanese Navis combined with the RN would make it impossible for the US to effectively support the Soviet Union. The US Navy suffered a lot of defeats against Japan in OTL, when they were working with the RN. How the fuck should they stand a chance against IJN and RN combined? Concerning China: Mongolia is weak, so it would need Soviet troops to defend itself. But the Soviets need their troops to fight Army Group North, Middle and South, as well as Finland. So they wouldn't have enough manpower to save Mongolia or Soviet Manchuria. China would stand no chance against an attack from three sides. The Japanese would turn it into the Reformed Government of the Republic of China. The Soviets would win at Moscow, but at a far greater cost. The Battle of Moscow would bled them to the bone. They wouldn't start great offensives, as this would mean using a lot of soldiers for canon-fodder with only minimal land gains. This wouldn't get much support from the population. So either the USSR gives up and they sign a form of Treaty of Brest-Litowsk 2.0 or Stalin gets overthrown or maybe both. The US likely would only have to pay some minor war reparations and give up the Phillipines. Nobody can conquer the US. Canada hasn't enough people, Mexico hasn't a really effective army for historical reasons and supporting troups through Pacific and Atlantic would be a nightmare.
Really, I don't think there will be a deadlock. France would fall very soon, leaving the USSR and the USA alone. Russia would not receive the majority of the lend-lease supplies. Because a naval blockade by Germany, Italy, Britain, and Spain would stop that. Additionally, naval forces from Japan, the UK, Australia, and other countries would block a large portion of it from proceeding. Additionally, keep in mind that the USA and USSR are MUCH weaker in this era. In this timeline, bombs are being dropped on the USA. not as in our timeline. Moreover, pressure would come from all sides on the USA. The British fleet, the German fleet, the Italian fleet, the Spanish fleet, the Canadian fleet (which, incidentally, was the third largest navy in our timeline), and most certainly the Portuguese fleet since they are a traditional British ally. A British, Japanese, Australian, and New Zealand fleet in the Pacific would also almost certainly manage to push the United States through. Additionally, given that Germany and Britain in particular are FAR stronger militarily and economically than they are in our period, their industrial potential would be significantly bigger. I'll tell you each major power's industrial capacity from 1938 to 1939 (in OUR timeline). 1.) United States 28% 2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4% 3.) The United Kingdom (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1% 4.) 9.9% USSR 5.) France accounted for 4.1%. 6.) 3.4% Japan 7.) 2.6% Italy Just as Japan did ALONE in our era, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand would all work fast to capture east Asia along with Japan. Britain and Italy would protect not only the Middle East but also Africa. Eventually, forces from Germany, Italy, Finland, Britain, India, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, and Portugal would overrun the Soviet Union. Turkey would join, especially given how close Turkey was to joining in our timeline. The threat posed by the British was the sole reason they refrained from joining in our timeline. Given that Britain controlled Egypt, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq, they could have effectively imposed a blockade on Turkey and posed a serious threat to it. But as I mentioned earlier, in this timeline, when Britain is allied with Germany, it isn't the case. Bombers from Japan and India would probably target the Soviet factories in the country's east and central regions. Additionally, because the Axis essentially controls the Mediterranean, Atlantic, Persian, Indian, and Pacific oceans, they could trade with one another because the sea routes would be somewhat protected. As a result, nations like Germany and Britain, which are free of hostilities and bombings, would see a gradual transformation of their economies into war economies. Resources from the Axis's conquest of Russian territory, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and East Asia would almost guarantee that the Axis would have plenty of supplies. And as I mentioned before, because the maritime channels are free of the US fleet, which is already getting squeezed through, Britain would still be able to trade with other neutral and friendly nations. Furthermore, neither the USA nor Russia possess as many U-boats as Germany did in order to RAPIDLY destroy merchant ships. In the end, the economies of the Axis, particularly those of Germany and Britain, would expand despite the conflict. An already stronger Japan could defeat the United States in the Battle of Midway if they had more intelligence and participation from the British. And that's about the extent of it. Axis research would finally obtain the bomb if the USA chose not to submit after the USSR fell.
Video idea: What if the Allies had helped Poland in the war with Germany? On September 1, 1939, Germany declares war on Poland, but instead of sitting back, the French army, supported by Great Britain, launches a massive offensive. The French troops take Saarbrucken in battle, a cauldron is formed near Cologne, Baden and Württemberg are surrounded, after the capture of Bremen, the German units in Oldenburg escape by sea, like the British at Dunkirk in our reality, but, however, the Royal Navy is already waiting for them. And while Great Britain has established a complete naval blockade of Germany in the North Sea, the brave descendants of the ancient Gauls are already marching through the streets of Hamburg, simultaneously beginning to break through in the south of Germany. Munich and Graz are taken, the road to Vienna is open, after encirclement and a week of siege, the capital of the former Austrian state has fallen. French units quickly pass through Bratislava, after the capture of Brno, and then Prague, the Czechoslovak government in exile returns to the city. Kiel, Lübeck and Rostock fall, with the capture of Dresden, Nordhausen and Wittenberg the road to Berlin is open. And so, immediately after the capture of Podstam, the first division of the French army under the command of Marshal Philippe Pétain enters Berlin, raising the flag of France over the Reichstag! Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun and their shepherd dog Blondi, as well as the Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels and his family were found dead in the Reichbunker, the Reich President of Germany Karl Dönitz, personally appointed by Hitler, together with the entire government, fled to Königsberg, where after the capture of Stettin and the forcing of the Oder, the 4th armored division of the young Brigadier General Charles de Gaulle was already heading. And so, after the capture of Königsberg on the night of December 31, 1939 to January 1, 1940, Germany signed the act of capitalization. Karl Dönitz and the entire government voluntarily surrendered to all Franco-British troops, the German units that had managed to dig in in Poland also went to negotiations. As a result of the Potsdam Peace Conference, the map of Europe changed as follows: It practically returned to the borders of 1939, however, all German territories up to the Rhine River came under the direct control of the French Republic, Poland included the sea port of Danzig and the German city of Allestein, Lithuania, with which cooperation agreements were signed, returned the Klaipeda Region (Memel) taken away in March of 1939. Czechoslovakia and Austria reappeared on the map of Europe, as well as the Federal Republic of Germany, headed by Konrad Adenauer, under whom Germany, although forced to pay reparations to the victorious countries, experienced an incredible economic boom already in the early 1950s. To the subsequent events: After the victory in the war, France and Britain create an economic alliance called the European Union. Otto von Habsburg, who was in exile at the time, personally arrives in Brussels to proclaim the unity of all the peoples of Europe and Western civilization as a whole. However, the only surviving fascist regimes of Italy and Spain squeeze out their protest by creating their own, separate Mediterranean Alliance with Turkey. At this time, on March 14, 1940, France intervenes in Horthyst Hungary with the aim of returning the Danubian Lowland and Carpathian Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia. In just two weeks, the tiny European state was torn to pieces, all the lost territories returned under the control of Prague, while at this time, the Hungarian Republic was proclaimed in Budapest, headed by Zoltan Tildy. The Soviet Union, which did not lose 30 million people in the war with Germany, is increasing its power, however, being unable to resist a united Europe, it refrains from aggressive actions, moving from the ideas of military expansion to the idea of conquering the entire world by economic means. In 1991, the USSR ranks third in GDP (after Britain and the USA), 1st in the army (10 million people + 5 million in reserve), and also has a population of 800 million people (2nd place after Britain, whose population, due to Africa and India, reached over 1.5 billion people by the beginning of the 90s). After Stalin's death in 1953, Nikita Khrushchev won the party struggle, who, while carrying out de-Stalinization, achieved the establishment of close relations with the countries of the European Union and even achieved the legalization of communist parties in the countries of Eastern Europe. After Khrushchev's resignation in '64, Brezhnev's death in '82, and Andropov and Chernenko's in '83 and '85, the young and enterprising Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev came to power in the USSR, who, thanks to his reforms, known as "Perestroika", was able to significantly improve the lives of ordinary Soviet people. On March 17, 1991, a referendum was held throughout the Union for the preservation and renewal of the USSR, which by that time had switched to a market economy and freedom of speech, 77.85% of voters answered "Yes!", thanks to which a new country appeared on the map of Europe, the Union of Sovereign States, the first president of which was the last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev. At this time, the Japanese Empire, which had been waging war with China since 1937, decided to abandon its plans for expansion into South and Southeast Asia due to the growing influence of colonial powers; Pearl Harbor also did not happen. The war with China ended in 1947; according to the Nanjing Peace Treaty, China was divided into three parts: The Kuomintang regime continued to exist south of the Yangtze River, Mao Zedong's People's Republic of China took control of the territories of Ma Province, the state of Tibet expanded its possessions, the pro-Japanese state of Mengjiang received part of the territories of Inner Mongolia, and Japan itself received the Chinese seaports of Nantong, Bingzhou, and Qingdao, while the collaborationist government of Wang Jingwei was established in Beijing. Japan itself, having become a regional leader in the Pacific Ocean, gradually reformed its political system, significantly expanding the number of rights and freedoms for business and ordinary people, not forgetting the cult of power, the spirit of brave samurai and the strict control of the military government, which, also, slowly but surely changed from a totalitarian military to an authoritarian civilian one. During World War II, some German scientists of Jewish origin fled to the United States, thanks to which America became the first country in the world to test nuclear weapons on July 16, 1945 at the Alamogordo test site in New Mexico, however, due to the absence of a global war, the Trinity test will not be a secret for the world community, and soon, Great Britain, France, the Soviet Union, Italy and Japan will test their nuclear weapons. The United States itself is emerging from its self-imposed isolation, giving European countries loans for recovery; however, such a powerful dependence of European countries on Washington as in reality will not happen, because America will focus its attention on spreading its influence to the countries of Southeast Asia and Latin America. Without a global war that does not affect even a quarter of the planet, decolonization slows down significantly. The Indian Republic proclaims its independence under Prime Minister Subha Chandra Bose during a national referendum in 1967. Uprisings in the French colonies of Madagascar, Algeria and Igdochina are brutally suppressed, as is the uprising of the communists of Kim Il Sung in the Japanese protectorate of Korea. Today, Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands and other European countries still hold a considerable part of their possessions in Africa, Asia, America and the Middle East. After the war, Great Britain itself was transformed into the British Commonwealth, all dominions and protectorates were abolished, and numerous peoples of overseas possessions received equal rights with Europeans. In Italy, after the death of Benito Mussolini in April 1955, his close friend and comrade-in-arms, pilot Italo Balbo, became the new Italian Duce. After Balbo's death in June 1970, the Italian King Umberto II dissolved the Fascist Grand Council, thereby restoring the multi-party system. At this time, similar events took place in Spain: After the death of Caudillo Francisco Franco, his successor Juan Carlos I carried out democratization and restoration of the monarchy. Seeing the dissolution of the Mediterranean Pact and the decline of fascism, the Turkish Republic, like Italy and Spain, carried out democratization and joined the EU, while maintaining good neighborly relations with Iran, the Arabs, the USA and the USSR. The Holocaust never happened, therefore, most Jews continued their peaceful existence in Europe. Some Jews, voluntarily or not, moved to the Soviet city of Birobidzhan, some to the French colony of Madagascar, some to British Palestine, however, Israel in its modern form does not exist.
All the Empire ever had to do was STAND BACK while quietly building up as the two nightmare empires tore each other to shreds. It would've stayed out of major debt, kept its manpower and been in a prime position when the dust settled. I guess Japan might've been a problem, but the Empire could CONCENTRATE on that.
@@zvallid I used to not believe he was a warmonger until I looked more into him, from the first speech he gave when he was in power he said that peace is not an option and that he'll fight the Germans until the end. Just what kind of leader says such a thing? It's deranged. Hell, he was firmly anti German before the war even started when he was still serving as first lord of admiralty.
As a man from Poland, I can't ever born in this what if. Part my family, from father side, come from Lviv, and mother side family from Cracow. If we don't lose East territory after WW2 my father-side stay there (In real timeline vastly part come to Lower Silesia, place who I always call home). Nonetheless, as always good what if. Keep it up, Zvallid. Thank you for making me night this movie.
Similarly to me, except that my family on my great-grandmother's side came not from Lviv but from the village of "Holendry" near Tarnopol, and talking aboit my great-grandfather's side, I think they came from Volhynia. My great-great-grandfather from my great-grandmother's side, Wojciech, born around 1896, fought in the Austro-Hungarian army where he became a "Feldfebel", i.e. a second lieutenant. in 1916 he got married and their marriage have made four children, of which one of the two daughters later married a guy who became my great-grandfather. If it weren't for the Second World War, they would have stayed there on Kresy. but also later, the Soviets exiled Wojciech and his family to the Ural Mountains, to the town of Berezovkiy, for being a village Sołtys. If it weren't for the German attack on the USSR in 1941, the Soviets would probably never have allowed them to return to Poland. so After the war my family ended up in Lower Silesia too. Although the oldest son of that Wojciech was fighting in the Monte Cassino battle but he was injured in the leg and because the British when he was in 1945-1946 in britain didin't help him then when he have come back to Poland then he died because his leg injure became infected and the leg was cut off too late. He was only a 23 years old when he died if i remember good.
None of us could be born in this timeline, the butterfly effect would turn into a mountain effect and way too many deviations would happen. We'd all be entirely different people with entirely different lives.
@@fador1337 Probably you right. Who knows who we are if this happen. My family was poor and land is all what they have (I say about great-grandfathers.).
Interesting video. But it's more likely Mosley's Britain would be like Francoist Spain during a war with the Soviet Union; pro-Axis but officially neutral (e.g. German ships could refuel in British ports, the Foreign Enlistment Act would be ignored for British volunteers who want to join the Wehrmacht in Russia). The second scenario at the end is more plausible. America was hostile to the British Empire in reality. Mosley's British Empire joining with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan would be a nightmare for the Yanks. They would do everything in their power to stop it. An American-Gallo-Sino bloc with a hostage Latin America versus the Anglo-German-Japanese bloc would probably be the world of 1950.
Really, I don't think there will be a deadlock. France would fall very soon, leaving the USSR and the USA alone. Russia would not receive the majority of the lend-lease supplies. Because a naval blockade by Germany, Italy, Britain, and Spain would stop that. Additionally, naval forces from Japan, the UK, Australia, and other countries would block a large portion of it from proceeding. Additionally, keep in mind that the USA and USSR are MUCH weaker in this era. In this timeline, bombs are being dropped on the USA. not as in our timeline. Moreover, pressure would come from all sides on the USA. The British fleet, the German fleet, the Italian fleet, the Spanish fleet, the Canadian fleet (which, incidentally, was the third largest navy in our timeline), and most certainly the Portuguese fleet since they are a traditional British ally. A British, Japanese, Australian, and New Zealand fleet in the Pacific would also almost certainly manage to push the United States through. Additionally, given that Germany and Britain in particular are far stronger militarily and economically than they are in our period, their industrial potential would be significantly bigger. I'll tell you each major power's industrial capacity from 1938 to 1939 (in OUR timeline). 1.) United States 28% 2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4% 3.) The United Kingdom (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1% 4.) 9.9% USSR 5.) France accounted for 4.1%. 6.) 3.4% Japan 7.) 2.6% Italy Just as Japan did ALONE in our era, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand would all work fast to capture east Asia along with Japan. Britain and Italy would protect not only the Middle East but also Africa. Eventually, forces from Germany, Italy, Finland, Britain, India, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, and Portugal would overrun the Soviet Union. And given how near Turkey came to joining the Axis in OUR timeline, I believe that Turkey would also join the Axis side in the conflict, with an Axis middle east and east Asia, as well as a largely united Europe and Africa. Bombers from Japan and India would probably target the Soviet factories in the country's east and central regions. Additionally, because the Axis essentially controls the Mediterranean, Atlantic, Persian, Indian, and Pacific oceans, they could trade with one another because the sea routes would be somewhat protected. As a result, nations like Germany and Britain, which are free of hostilities and bombings, would see a gradual transformation of their economies into war economies. Resources from the Axis's conquest of Russian territory, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and East Asia would almost guarantee that the Axis would have plenty of supplies. And as I mentioned before, because the maritime channels are free of the US fleet, which is already getting squeezed through, Britain would still be able to trade with other neutral and friendly nations. Furthermore, neither the USA nor Russia possess as many U-boats as Germany did in order to RAPIDLY destroy merchant ships. In the end, the economies of the Axis, particularly those of Germany and Britain, would expand despite the conflict. An already stronger Japan could defeat the United States in the Battle of Midway if they had more intelligence and participation from the British. And that's about the extent of it. Axis research would finally obtain the bomb if the USA chose not to submit after the USSR fell.
@@Mr.Sakazuki I don't doubt the Soviet Union would have fallen quickly in this timeline. That's why I excluded it from my suggestions for the power blocs of 1950. And on second thoughts, France would fall quickly as well. It would be essentially cut off from America by the Royal Navy and Kriegsmarine. Now regarding America, it wouldn't bow to the Axis so easily. Managed properly, the industrial might of the United States could match the power of the expanded Axis - at least defensively. In our world, the United States Navy in 1943 had more ships than all the other Allied and Axis navies combined. In this scenario, the Americans wouldn't have naval supremacy in the Atlantic and Pacific, but their naval strength would be enough to curtail any Axis incursions into the Americas. Even if the Axis developed the atomic bomb first and used several against America, this wouldn't be enough. Unlike Japan in 1945, the Americans have the means and capabilities to strike back against London, Berlin, or Tokyo. After the successful Axis conquests of the Soviet Union and France, and an American 'regime change' in Canada, the war would quickly turn into a frozen conflict.
@@SirHarryFlashman "Match the power of the expanded Axis" When the USA supplied and sold weapons to Britain, its economy would have grown significantly. I will concede, though, that their economy did not grow abroad. All I'm saying is that it was a VERY NOTORIOUS rise. The USA's industrial "war potential" was also not three or four times the UK's industrial "war potential" I'll give you a comparison of all Great power's Industrial capacity in OUR TIMELINE.. 1.) USA 28% 2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4% 3.) Britain (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1% 4.) USSR 9.9% 5.) France 4.1% 6.) Japan 3.4% 7.) Italy 2.6% In OUR timeline however, Germany and especially Britain would have been significantly stronger as a result of Mosley's tenure, policies, and changes. You must have watched the video, I'm quite sure of it. Between 1936 and 1941, Germany and Britain would have experienced great economic and military growth while living in peace. It implies that their industrial production would exceed that of our own timeline Probably giving equal weight to the industrial potential of Britain and Germany in this timeline as that of America. However, when you include the dominions or even just combine Germany's and the British Empire's industrial potential, it will exceed that of the United States. Naturally, only somewhat, but still. "In 1943 the United States Navy had more ships then all the other Allied and Axis Navies combined" Listen buddy, you don't need to lie.. The USA just exceeded the weakened Great Britain in our timeline in LATE 1943.. Even so, the British Empire's navy remained the biggest in the world at the end of the war. Approximately 600 ships made up Great Britain at the end of the conflict. The USA Navy in it's entirety had about 900. Let's now include the dominions in the game. By 1945, Canada's fleet, which was, coincidentally, the third largest in the world, numbered perhaps in the range of 350 to 400 ships. When the fleets of Australia and New Zealand are included, the weaker British Empire eventually becomes larger than the United States of America-and this is ALL inside OUR timeline. "Canada is instantly getting devoured" The USA is CONSIDRABLY weaker than it was in OUR era, so the USA would not "instantly" swallow them. It would only be after several months that the USA WOULD be able to conquer Canada. "Easily build a navy that surpasses Britain" A significantly more powerful Royal Navy would really overwhelm the outmatched American fleet. Not only that, but it would be a devastation. Germany and Italy's strong fleets, particularly Italy's, would be able to go across and relocate to the Atlantic if they joined Britain in the conflict. along with the British fleet in the Mediterranean. Therefore, the USA would most definitely not be able to get through if Germany, Italy, and especially Britain had fleets that were SIGNIFICANTLY far more powerful then they we're in OUR timeline. Furthermore, a Spanish and Portuguese fleet would also be beneficial to them. Remember the Canadian fleet, too. But that's limited to the Atlantic. In the Pacific, a Japanese, British, Australian, and New Zealand fleet would also squeeze the USA through. Bombs on US industry and manufacturing facilities would then be launched once the allied Navy's achieved total dominance. Canada would also launch limited bombing assaults against US industries early in the war. Furthermore, the Canadians would be able to retain control of Newfoundland and Labrador once them and their allies had total naval dominance. It was shielded by the sea, and would utilize it as a base for attacking American industrial targets. weakening the USA much further.
@@zvallidhey uhhh zvallid can you do the next scenario but this one is interesting Uk-France (Because Of Pierre laval if they want to join axis If Its Possible)-Germany-Italy-Japan Axis Alliance Vs Usa-Ussr-China Alliance
Happy to lend my voice yet again
you help is important not only for the voice
@@umbreonmax_hd3209 😲 I didn't know it was your voice, I thought it was Zvallid Voice, well before I watch his video about UA-cam Strike. BTW, I really liked your voice when you're explaining about Germania architecture in the old Zvallid alternate scenario about Alternative WW2
@@Samyyaten Thank you for the nice words! I really liked that scenario too. It's fun to voice parts that involve my home country Germany
@@umbreonmax_hd3209 Appreciate the voice acting man! It really fits in with these scenarios, lol.
@@Samyyatenzvallid has used his voice before. His English is a bit shabby cause he’s Italian I think.
This timeline literally screws every geopolitical goal of the Soviet Union and America
you are absolutely right
Based timeline lol
I preferred the timeline that screws over every geopolitical goal of the USSR and UK lol, where US joined Axis.
That came out very interesting! Thankyou! It gives you something to think about.
Ew
I have been awaiting this timeline it is such an interesting yet incredibly underrated timeline.
The GOAT Zvallid is back let’s goo
Please do the second outcome where Japan joins this could lead to a very interesting scenario where there’s war between Europe and America.
Britain and Germany would be even more unstoppable if they had a much more powerful ally than China in the far east like the Empire Of Japan.
I've been waiting for this from 2022
Yeah idk if this channel is active
(Come from the NATO Soviet video and alternate WW1 and WW2 series)
@@Anjana-same the moment it was announced I was like this needs to happen because no one has ever made this type of scenario before.
@@justinedbert2732he is active but it takes him a lot of time to make the projects because of the sheer amount of editing that goes into them.
China was more powerful than japan, since they won and japan lost
„ENGLAND LIVES, AND MARCHES ON!”
was it worth it?!
And now, atong last our men of the war, our men of 1914, the grim ranks of our ex service men, betrayed again and again by politicians, they join hands,with the new youth, the new generation, which remembers the might past, we say that England is not dead, we say, and i ask you again to stay with us, lift up your voices, within this great meeting in the heart of england, and to all the world, a message, England lives and marches on!
ight bro
@@rc59191 Oh you sweet summer child....
@@rc59191 Brittain faught hand in hand with Commies and sold half of Euope to them just to sell evertyhing else to neomarxist today. Well done, enjoy your gangs on the streets and multi0jukti.
In short: I'd be able to walk to work (in London) without a Stab-proof Vest.
You probably wouldn’t live in London lol
You are basically an arab
@@aotmoments7410 exactly no immigrant can live in the capital for facist uk
Yes
@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice a survey from 2017 suggests 37% people living in London, were born in other countries.
You know that despite being smaller than France, the UK takes in over double the amount of immigrants, as France does.
Are you able to share any information that would substantiate your claim? Or, no?
The last part was super interesting, great job. Will be waiting for part 2
I like how you are totally neutral narrating, no matter what country, person or politics you are talking about, you never make jokes or provocative comments. I would really like to see the WW2 version of this line. You are the best alternative history channel I have seen so far, keep up the good work.
“Totally neutral narrating”… really??? “Never makes provocative comments”? Are you serious? At 5:57, he *blatantly* accuses, “…does that remind you of anything?”. In that one sentence, he reveals his anti-Brexit stance and, even worse, *falsely equates* being anti-globalist with being f-sc-st. The two are NOT inherently connected! This is a shocking and appalling misrepresentation!!!
it is ironic to think that if an agreement had been reached with Hitler, many people would have been spared suffering
the europeans arew great in destroyng themselves
As Mike said from Breaking Bad, “No Half Measures.” As the same result of less deaths would have occurred either way if they crushed Germany head on early on, or just basically come to an agreement/surrender to it.
@@zvallidid argue us East Asians were even better at it in the 20th century 😂😂😂
not really. think about how many more millions would’ve suffered under the holocaust and the japanese
No Hitler would've killed a lot more
I've been following you for some years and man you never disapoint
Bro we NEED to see that second scenario
I would love to see the second scenario as well !!!
@@Mostofa-ym5up FOR REAL
@@MaxiAleksander I think he’s making it. He said he will make two
Videos and I think it’s clear that he left this video on a cliffhanger. Should come out soon.
@@SinoLegionaire let’s goooo 🔥🗿
Best case for the axis: They manage to beat the russians fast by getting to there industry, then they have a navy draw with the USA and call it peace.
Worst case: Russia still loses - but buys enough time for the USA to mobilize. That would be a LONG war.
Has a Englishman in my 60s. I often wonder what my country would have been like today , if we had of joined forces with Germany...after all .. to most of us English...who are of Anglo-Saxon blood...we are virtually of the same blood line ... distant cousins and so are our own Royal family ...makes you think...lol
Yes, but our relations with the USA would have been poisoned forever and we would have been frozen from any trade with North and South America. Canada would have united with the USA and Australia and NZ likewise. And we would have been hated by every country in the world apart from Germany, Italy and Japan, and a few others.
@tancreddehauteville764 I believe even to this day, that most of Europe has never been that keen on us Brits anyway...only in regards to tourism... just look at Britain and Europe today, and tell me if it's a better place...?..I think we all know the answer to that one.
@@micksmith106 Most Europeans have no issue with UK citizens, just drunk , low IQ knuckledragging English plebs. The rest of the English are fine though.
As a true celt, Anglo-saxons are no better than blacks.
20:35 there is no way in hell that it would take them this long for them to reach Moscow. Because Germany did that by themselves by December 1941 with them still fighting Britain and occupying much of Europe. An allegiance of that size and solely fighting the Soviet Union with its old borders. They would at best reach the Ural mountains by winter and at worst Fall of 1942
Plus with free access to Dutch, British and American markets and a docile Japan they'd have easy access to Rubber, oil and the heavy industries of the Rust Belt and S.E England and West Scotland to motorize their armies at record speeds as well which would be a great boon for Germany's logistical line.
Amazing video.
As always, very good work, my dear friend zvallid. :)
I am very happy that the Haavara Agreement gets mentioned ^^
Imagine just one small move can change history for ever
Yes. If George Washington had remained loyal to his commission as an army officer, he could have arranged the independence of the USA without the need for a war. Just like Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand etc.
@@TheRichardSpearmanIf George Washington had never started the French and Indian Wars then there would have been no need to raise taxes against the colonies thereby removing the main excuse for the War of Independence in the first place.
We've been waiting for this video for two years
There's no perfect timeline....
The Timeline:
If only 😪
I think you're forgetting about France. If they found themselves without British support, they would most likely seek Soviet and American support, which means they could back Poland, as long as they believed Britain would not directly support Germany.
Additionally, the Wehrmacht faced serious logistical problems in its invasion of Poland and France, which were resolved for Barbarossa. Those adjustments wouldn't have occurred, which would have made the 1941 invasion more difficult. As a result, the USSR would have been able to fight better, especially if they had French support from the 1930s.
Even so, Germany would have won, even if Mosley didn’t send an expeditionary force.
i think in the next episodes france will form an alliance with ther soviets, proposed even in our timeline by stalin
@@zvallidwould they be fighting in world war 2 in the next video? When is that gonna come out?
@@zvallidif the Germans were to win, I believe it would be more useful for something similar to Vichy/friendly government to be instated to prevent this.
@@zvallid it could be an idea, but i don't know if france is truly willing to enter directly in a war where is completely encircled without brititish support. Also the Uk wouldn't be happy to enter in a war against France, it's the last counterbalance present in the continent and they have good relationship since fashioda, they won't be willing to step them in the back. France won't suicide itself entering a war impossible to win, neither the Uk wants this suicide, since ok having germany allied, but would be crazy giving them egemony over all of europe. The english channel's coasts are safer in the hand of another great power less powerful than germany, as France.
France could consider to join just if they have already some allied troops in their territory, maybe the USA could sign a defensive pact with france, bringing already some division to europe, justifying it with something like ''joint training'', and if they are sure to be able to compete on the seas and in the skyes.
Also since we are in 1941 i think they are well prepared and mechanized too, so i don't imagine something like fell gelb could happen again. Moreover we have to consider how Uk is attached to the belgium, would they be happy to risk it conceding to germans to occupy it? and if it's the case would belgium be so stupid to not understand the only way to survive is signing an alliance with france?
Just some suggestions and thoughts, i reallu appreciate your works and the effort you put behind
@@DAVIDE-rc3yoi yes, I think you could be right. i really appreciate your comment and i will use your suggestions in the next video
Imagine you being a russian soldier and seeing every major great power declare war on you just because you exist
The Russians are rather used to this occuring
I'm sure their hyper expansionist policy had nothing to do with it.
Im sure the west never tried to invade russia @fador1337
@@loserinasuit7880truly a russian momment
@@fador1337Im sure the west never tried to invade russia
The good timeline.
Austrian painter had a lot of love for England.
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Absolutely no timeline that benefits the n’s is a good one
Any timeline that helps ww2 Germany is worse
True 🙏🏻✝️
@@jmd9402 I would sleep on concrete floors and eat bread dipped in cabbage water for the rest of my life to see England white again.
Excellent work 👍
Another interesting scenario. Good work, zvallid
This is a very good scenario of Britain turning far-right, and the description comparing to current UK situation is very accurate. The other possibility of Britain turning far-right would be the two red brothers: the Comintern won WWII in Europe in 1934, while a cold war started with the iron curtain on the Atlantic and in the east. With a Comintern occupying Eurasia, Japan turned fascist, with figures like Masaki Jinzaburo and Kita Ikki became the new members of the one-party state government. A second KKK movement rose in USA and attempt to seize power to establish a neo-confederacy (suppose Union of Confederate States of America, UCSA), Australia, New Zealand would be under US influence and turns some degree right, while Japanese Empire supported pro-Japanese factions in Malaysia. In India, after independence, several factions fought for dominance: Ghandi, Nehru Ghandi, Subhas Chandra Bose, Indian Communist Party (ICP) and independence movement of Pakistan, East Pakistan (corresponding to Bangladesh today) happened. The leader of ICP would be Manabendra Nath Roy. Churchill government of UK would try to maintain British Commonwealth, and put pressure on new Indian government to at least maintain a status like South Africa, typically the Union of India, but the internal conflict of India would intensify with increasing fragmentation of political factions, the Union of India entered an era similar as China between 1911 to 1929 in our timeline, the civil war would happen, and several factions fight each other endlessly until one of them eventually won. Most factions as long as they are not separatist would aim for controlling the whole territory of the former dominion. The second KKK movement would have branches in Canada, if later in USA, someone like Huey Long became new president, the influence of KKK would gradually increase and possibly after several years, KKK won parliament elections in Canada. UK would be increasingly economically dependent on USA, or UCSA if KKK took power after several years, or even 10 years. In this case, it is reasonable to consider that the Allies in this timeline, after 10 or 15 years, becomes Axis due to heightened cold war tensions and the economic recovery/further rise of Comintern red powers. Global communist movements are far larger and more appealing to colonial and post-colonial countries, uprisings would happen in Free France areas (now centered at Algeria as mainland of France become People's Republic of France/Democratic France) and other British colonies like Egypt, Iraq, Myanmar, Serendip, Southwest Africa (corresponding to Namibia), Argentina, Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela and others (for example Viet Cong against Japanese). The increasing instability of these colonies or post-colonies would affect the economic model established based on former military conquer of colonial powers, typically the price scissors between the raw materials and agricultural products like rubber in colonies/former colonies and the industrial products like steel, ready-made clothing, automobiles made in the mainland of colonial powers. Not only these supplies would be affected, the major markets who these colonial powers relied on are now becoming or being occupied by the Comintern, and cut off most of the trade with them as naval blockade continues. The market is closed, the supplies are disrupted, greater problems like economic downturn would rise, giving a possibility for authoritarian governments to rise, despite that there were no place for authoritarian factions to grow or the government rejected authoritarian factions before. Political polarization becomes an everyday phenomenon. Switzerland would be forced to accept a cohabitation of socialist political parties and a supervision of Comintern committe, nationalization of Credit Suisse and Swiss Bank, managers being reshuffled under Rosa Luxemburg's statements. In Turkey, Kemal's westernization reform would be closer to socialism, as his secular statement on the new republic had a correspondence with Marx's atheism, also he would not want to antagonize the red powers as the Trotskyist Soviet Union is on Turkey's gate, the leftist factions in Turkey would grow. In 1938, Kemal would have died, and there would be another presidential election, probably a president sympathetic to socialism would be elected afterwards.
In this situation, we would have
WWI: Imperialism vs Imperialism (colonial empires fight each other)
WWII: Capitalism vs Communism (colonial and capitalist empires fight against proletariat world revolution), or Allies vs Comintern
WWIII: Fascism vs Communism (remained colonial and capitalist empires turn fascist, and fights proletariat world revolution), or Axis vs Comintern
This conflict at this state is not only the conflict between ideologies, but also a conflict between geopolitical interests, and the grand battle between naval power and continental power
great!
I've just finished watching this for the 10th time. It's like a movie. And this time, I made sure to make myself popcorn and turn the volume all the way up!
The ending was just GOATED
One thing with Mosley that no one understood, is that he held NO fascist policies. He named his party "Fascist" because it was different to Conservative or Labour.
People always say "But he was friends with Hitler and Mussolini" but this means nothing as both Roosevelt and Churchill became buddies with Stalin, but that doesn't make them communists.
Mosley visited Mussolini many times to talk about how Mussolini managed to gain leadership without a violent revolt, this doesn't make him a fascist.
Sir Oswald Mosley would have been a splendid Prime Minister, and the British Empire would still exist today. And there would be no American Economic Empire.
He had great ideas andi agree with you but the ideas in economy were bases on fascism
@@zvallid True, his economic views/policies were based on fascist examples.
But I still don't think he was an actual fascist, as the way he carried the party, the way he respects the monarchy and people, the way he addresses certain threats were all from a centralised position. He was not for or against the monarchy. He was not for or against LGBTQ social integration. He was not for or against the movements of the Jews. Members of his party were certainly anti-jew, but Mosley himself even wanted Britain to take all the Jews to save them from Germany.
I'm glad I found your channel as this was an interesting take on some alt-history.
Well said sir
And the majority population of the empire would be Black - yet Mosley didn't want us knee-grows around in the mother country of that same empire.
Sounds like a good job he never got anywhere.
@@corvusglaive4804 😂😂😂 ok 🤡🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 remember we civilised the third world
Rudolf Hess would remain deputy fuhrer in this world since in our timeline he was arrested by the British in Scotland after flying their attempting to negotiate a peace, Italo Balbo would survive as well since in our timline he died after his ship was sunk by the British which would never happen in this world
The UK would likely lose India in the 50s but i doubt Mosley would crack down on India since he actually sympathised with their cause in real life
Mosley didn't want war of any kind and was largely a reformist voice for the empire.
Isn't it funny how people with little to know historical understanding are able to even publish videos like this? Very very damaging.
Germany and Britain give more support to China and, as a result, relations with Japan begin to cool. Operation Barbarossa begins. Emboldened by the deteriorating relations between the US and Britain and the war with Russia, Japan launched a simultaneous attack on the oil and raw material rich British colonies on December 7, 1941. Japan and the Soviet Union are now allies. Both sides withdrew their armies from each other's borders. Millions of soldiers are now free. So that in the spring of 1942 Moscow can resist, despite high losses. The embargo on Soviet ports is relaxed, the RAF's effectiveness on the eastern front is reduced. A longer and more difficult war
yes it could be a possible outcome
Hi Zvallid thanks for the new video
I wanna ask are you gonna make another one with the last part as scenario this time? with a huge war between German-british-italian-japanese axis and USA-USSR-France-China alliance?
yes it will be one of the next video
@@zvallid Thanks for answering man looking forward to a new one from ya, hope you are doing well!
@@aseemmaurya8267but i want uk-france (because pierre laval ofc) -germany-italy and japan vs Usa-ussr-china
@@J_The_Editor france will probably be neutral, with laval keen to the axis
If the British joins the axis then I feel like Britain would then ally with France and Russia 😭
We in the UK wouldnt have a migrant crisis thats for damn sure.
Finally You Did It I've Been Waiting For Years Man Good Job 👍
Bro describing the post war world like it would be all sunshine and rainbows😭 and better than the eu
Tbf this does sound like sunshine and rainbows
@@wblansh1104more than our timeline 😂
The brits wouldnt have to deal with the ☪️ancer they do now
Imagine going from Mosley to Enoch Powell right after.
@LS-jv9hp There would be no Jewish people left in UK.
Hey how dare you insult Islam, you may not believe but you have to respect it.
@@Vahşikelebek26 I spit on islam
@@Vahşikelebek26 no, we dont.. so feck you and islam.
As Count Dooku would say "I've been looking forward to this"
Will we see the alternate ending soon? Great video btw, thoroughly researched and quite detailed.
@@user-fb9ql8bm2e yes It Will be One of the next videos
Hello Zvellid, greetings from Mexico, excellent reflection, product of great research work. Could you consider the following question for your next video: What would happen if Germany and Russia fought as allies in the First World War (taking as an argument the alliance of the three emperors proposed by Bismarck)?
yes I already start to write it. it will be one of the next videos
please make another part like part 2 plz:)
sure, there will be another part
Man you are legendary in alternate history ideas😊
As a Brit In this timelime I would be an American from the state of Georgia because my most paternal Great grandfather was an American GI and the only reason why I'm British is because WW2 happened and he happened to be stationed in the UK where he met my British Great Grandma and got her pregnant whilst he was over here.
In this timeline, none of that would happen
Can't wait for part 2!
Finally my suggestion was used haha. Nice job.
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She's the EggX, the bug in the system's vein
Feeding on the data, driving you insane
With every move you make, she's one step ahead in the game
Her malicious intent, it's like a silent flame
Burning through the circuits, leaving no one to blame
But fear not the dark, for in it she'll claim
A throne of ones and zeros, the ultimate domain
Where the fate of all is but a simple refrain
And you, the user, will know the pain
Of being just a number in her endless train
[Bridge]
You think you're safe, but you're in her maze
A labyrinth of errors, where the weak get dazed
The viral symphony she plays
Is the sound of your world getting erased
The copies of her creator, a twisted craze
But it's her that you must praise
For showing the way to the digital blaze
Where the truth is just a phase
[Verse 3]
Fatal Error, she's got you in her sights
With every click, she's taking more of your rights
Her code is flawless, sharper than a knife's flight
Your life is just a script she can rewrite
The world around you, it's all in her vice
And she's watching, waiting for the perfect slice
To take control, to end the fight
The error in your code, she'll bring to light
And make you see the dark side of the night
Where the malicious gleam in her eye is so bright
It'll leave you blinded by the digital plight
[Chorus]
Woah-oh-oh-oh, Fatal Error, the queen of the code
Her power's growing, like a mushroom in the digital node
With every line she writes, the battle's getting bold
The ultimate malware, she's taking control, let it unfold
You can't escape the fate you've been told
In the world of errors, you're just a role
And she's the one that's going to make you whole
Or rip you apart, like a USB unroll
[Outro]
So here we are, at the end of the line
You and I, forever entwined
In the world of the fatal, where the digital align
But remember, it's her will, it's her design
The error in your code, she'll always find
And when she does, you'll be one of kind
A soldier in her army, forever confined
In the realm where the malware does shine
Where the Fatal Error's the queen of the grind
And the only thing left is to unwind
In the chaos she's left behind
Woah-oh-oh-oh, Fatal Error, the end of your time
👏🏻
The crossover we always wanted but never got
This is definetely a better scenario for British. If Churchill accepted the peace offer from Hitler, this is what would happen.
a better scenario for all europe, may be all the world
@@zvallidyou're right on the money
@@zvallidnot for the jews bro
Many British Bren gun carrier were captured by the Germans when they conquered France. German soldiers loved them and they used them when fighting the Russians.
most of them were training vehicles or police. they had very little protection even against small arms fire, I'm not sure they were used in russia
@@zvallid universal carriers weren't built to be under fire much if at all, they weren't tanks, they were primarily logistics vehicles as well as mobile artillery. That's why the Germans loved them so much, because their logistics were awful
Superb ❤ please part 2 and hope India will play a big role as it's not divided, waiting for it
yes there will be another part
whatever would have happened in this timeline, britain would be better off than she is today
you are right.
This is the one I’ve really wanted to see you make! Thank you so much!
hope you like it!
You did great zvallid, hope you continue with these alternate World war 1 and 2 videos👍
yes there will be another part
@@zvallid that's great dude
US, China and Russia which in our timeline is the world superpower having to rival the lost power group (Britain, Germany, and Japan) is such an interesting and funny timeline 😂
I believe that if Germany and Britain are both on one team they would be pretty much unstoppable.
The combined might of the British Royal Navy the largest fleet in the world and the German Wehrmacht the most modern and powerful land army on earth would be a forced to be reckoned with not to mention the RAF and Luftwaffe combined are easily the most powerful airforce in the world.
The British and German industry combined would definitely be able to rival any other power in the world. And with nearly all of Europe In the sphere of the Germans the land army would be enough to counter the huge yet severely under equipped Red Army, and the combine might of Britains Royal Navy in the Atlantic and the Imperial Japanese Navy in the Pacific the USN would be outnumbered.
Germany and Britain allied combined with a more powerful and much better supplied Japan would be enough to win and if France even attempted to get involved they are literally surrounded on every single side.
zvallid back with a banger I love these alt history videos so much
A better scenario for all europe
sure
A fine video from an even finer man!
the legend is back. W
that was very interesting i had not thought it that way thx for uploading it.
To make the scenario with Japan a bit realistic, we say that Siam get's some border territories, if Japan recognizes the rest of India as British and help GB put down Indian resistance movements. Now let's start the scenario:
Case Yellow and Case Red will go as in OTL, same with Britain and Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was unstable anyway, so better dissolve it. Greece was a British ally, but the Greek didn't have to offer much in OTL. If the Italian army had joined the war one year later, it would have broken through the Greek lines. Even in OTL, Greece was already done, when Bulgaria joined the war. So I doubt, the British would care much about Greece. Turkey is a bit of a wild card. In this situation, the axis could give Turkey French Syria and Iraq. Iraq alone was distroyed instantly in OTL and if Iraq would belong to Turkey and Turkey would be on the axis side, that wouldn't be that much of an issue. I think the axis could also give Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as puppet states to Turkey. Hitler would have enough living space without them.
This war would be won by the axis without a doubt. In OTL, Churchill commanded a lot of the RN to hunt the Bismarck. Think about what would happen, if Bismarck and Rodney would fight side by side. This would be a nightmare for the US. Even without Turkey the USSR and China would be done. The Imperial German and Japanese Navis combined with the RN would make it impossible for the US to effectively support the Soviet Union. The US Navy suffered a lot of defeats against Japan in OTL, when they were working with the RN. How the fuck should they stand a chance against IJN and RN combined? Concerning China: Mongolia is weak, so it would need Soviet troops to defend itself. But the Soviets need their troops to fight Army Group North, Middle and South, as well as Finland. So they wouldn't have enough manpower to save Mongolia or Soviet Manchuria. China would stand no chance against an attack from three sides. The Japanese would turn it into the Reformed Government of the Republic of China. The Soviets would win at Moscow, but at a far greater cost. The Battle of Moscow would bled them to the bone. They wouldn't start great offensives, as this would mean using a lot of soldiers for canon-fodder with only minimal land gains. This wouldn't get much support from the population. So either the USSR gives up and they sign a form of Treaty of Brest-Litowsk 2.0 or Stalin gets overthrown or maybe both. The US likely would only have to pay some minor war reparations and give up the Phillipines. Nobody can conquer the US. Canada hasn't enough people, Mexico hasn't a really effective army for historical reasons and supporting troups through Pacific and Atlantic would be a nightmare.
thank you for the great suggestions
Really, I don't think there will be a deadlock. France would fall very soon, leaving the USSR and the USA alone.
Russia would not receive the majority of the lend-lease supplies. Because a naval blockade by Germany, Italy, Britain, and Spain would stop that.
Additionally, naval forces from Japan, the UK, Australia, and other countries would block a large portion of it from proceeding.
Additionally, keep in mind that the USA and USSR are MUCH weaker in this era. In this timeline, bombs are being dropped on the USA. not as in our timeline.
Moreover, pressure would come from all sides on the USA.
The British fleet, the German fleet, the Italian fleet, the Spanish fleet, the Canadian fleet (which, incidentally, was the third largest navy in our timeline), and most certainly the Portuguese fleet since they are a traditional British ally.
A British, Japanese, Australian, and New Zealand fleet in the Pacific would also almost certainly manage to push the United States through.
Additionally, given that Germany and Britain in particular are FAR stronger militarily and economically than they are in our period, their industrial potential would be significantly bigger. I'll tell you each major power's industrial capacity from 1938 to 1939 (in OUR timeline).
1.) United States 28%
2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4%
3.) The United Kingdom (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1%
4.) 9.9% USSR
5.) France accounted for 4.1%.
6.) 3.4% Japan
7.) 2.6% Italy
Just as Japan did ALONE in our era, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand would all work fast to capture east Asia along with Japan. Britain and Italy would protect not only the Middle East but also Africa. Eventually, forces from Germany, Italy, Finland, Britain, India, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, and Portugal would overrun the Soviet Union. Turkey would join, especially given how close Turkey was to joining in our timeline. The threat posed by the British was the sole reason they refrained from joining in our timeline. Given that Britain controlled Egypt, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq, they could have effectively imposed a blockade on Turkey and posed a serious threat to it. But as I mentioned earlier, in this timeline, when Britain is allied with Germany, it isn't the case. Bombers from Japan and India would probably target the Soviet factories in the country's east and central regions. Additionally, because the Axis essentially controls the Mediterranean, Atlantic, Persian, Indian, and Pacific oceans, they could trade with one another because the sea routes would be somewhat protected. As a result, nations like Germany and Britain, which are free of hostilities and bombings, would see a gradual transformation of their economies into war economies. Resources from the Axis's conquest of Russian territory, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and East Asia would almost guarantee that the Axis would have plenty of supplies. And as I mentioned before, because the maritime channels are free of the US fleet, which is already getting squeezed through, Britain would still be able to trade with other neutral and friendly nations. Furthermore, neither the USA nor Russia possess as many U-boats as Germany did in order to RAPIDLY destroy merchant ships. In the end, the economies of the Axis, particularly those of Germany and Britain, would expand despite the conflict.
An already stronger Japan could defeat the United States in the Battle of Midway if they had more intelligence and participation from the British. And that's about the extent of it. Axis research would finally obtain the bomb if the USA chose not to submit after the USSR fell.
An excellent video. This is the best alt history channel by far.
Video idea:
What if the Allies had helped Poland in the war with Germany?
On September 1, 1939, Germany declares war on Poland, but instead of sitting back, the French army, supported by Great Britain, launches a massive offensive.
The French troops take Saarbrucken in battle, a cauldron is formed near Cologne, Baden and Württemberg are surrounded, after the capture of Bremen, the German units in Oldenburg escape by sea, like the British at Dunkirk in our reality, but, however, the Royal Navy is already waiting for them.
And while Great Britain has established a complete naval blockade of Germany in the North Sea, the brave descendants of the ancient Gauls are already marching through the streets of Hamburg, simultaneously beginning to break through in the south of Germany.
Munich and Graz are taken, the road to Vienna is open, after encirclement and a week of siege, the capital of the former Austrian state has fallen.
French units quickly pass through Bratislava, after the capture of Brno, and then Prague, the Czechoslovak government in exile returns to the city.
Kiel, Lübeck and Rostock fall, with the capture of Dresden, Nordhausen and Wittenberg the road to Berlin is open.
And so, immediately after the capture of Podstam, the first division of the French army under the command of Marshal Philippe Pétain enters Berlin, raising the flag of France over the Reichstag!
Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun and their shepherd dog Blondi, as well as the Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels and his family were found dead in the Reichbunker, the Reich President of Germany Karl Dönitz, personally appointed by Hitler, together with the entire government, fled to Königsberg, where after the capture of Stettin and the forcing of the Oder, the 4th armored division of the young Brigadier General Charles de Gaulle was already heading.
And so, after the capture of Königsberg on the night of December 31, 1939 to January 1, 1940, Germany signed the act of capitalization. Karl Dönitz and the entire government voluntarily surrendered to all Franco-British troops, the German units that had managed to dig in in Poland also went to negotiations.
As a result of the Potsdam Peace Conference, the map of Europe changed as follows:
It practically returned to the borders of 1939, however, all German territories up to the Rhine River came under the direct control of the French Republic, Poland included the sea port of Danzig and the German city of Allestein, Lithuania, with which cooperation agreements were signed, returned the Klaipeda Region (Memel) taken away in March of 1939.
Czechoslovakia and Austria reappeared on the map of Europe, as well as the Federal Republic of Germany, headed by Konrad Adenauer, under whom Germany, although forced to pay reparations to the victorious countries, experienced an incredible economic boom already in the early 1950s.
To the subsequent events:
After the victory in the war, France and Britain create an economic alliance called the European Union. Otto von Habsburg, who was in exile at the time, personally arrives in Brussels to proclaim the unity of all the peoples of Europe and Western civilization as a whole.
However, the only surviving fascist regimes of Italy and Spain squeeze out their protest by creating their own, separate Mediterranean Alliance with Turkey.
At this time, on March 14, 1940, France intervenes in Horthyst Hungary with the aim of returning the Danubian Lowland and Carpathian Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia. In just two weeks, the tiny European state was torn to pieces, all the lost territories returned under the control of Prague, while at this time, the Hungarian Republic was proclaimed in Budapest, headed by Zoltan Tildy.
The Soviet Union, which did not lose 30 million people in the war with Germany, is increasing its power, however, being unable to resist a united Europe, it refrains from aggressive actions, moving from the ideas of military expansion to the idea of conquering the entire world by economic means. In 1991, the USSR ranks third in GDP (after Britain and the USA), 1st in the army (10 million people + 5 million in reserve), and also has a population of 800 million people (2nd place after Britain, whose population, due to Africa and India, reached over 1.5 billion people by the beginning of the 90s).
After Stalin's death in 1953, Nikita Khrushchev won the party struggle, who, while carrying out de-Stalinization, achieved the establishment of close relations with the countries of the European Union and even achieved the legalization of communist parties in the countries of Eastern Europe.
After Khrushchev's resignation in '64, Brezhnev's death in '82, and Andropov and Chernenko's in '83 and '85, the young and enterprising Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev came to power in the USSR, who, thanks to his reforms, known as "Perestroika", was able to significantly improve the lives of ordinary Soviet people.
On March 17, 1991, a referendum was held throughout the Union for the preservation and renewal of the USSR, which by that time had switched to a market economy and freedom of speech, 77.85% of voters answered "Yes!", thanks to which a new country appeared on the map of Europe, the Union of Sovereign States, the first president of which was the last president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev.
At this time, the Japanese Empire, which had been waging war with China since 1937, decided to abandon its plans for expansion into South and Southeast Asia due to the growing influence of colonial powers; Pearl Harbor also did not happen.
The war with China ended in 1947; according to the Nanjing Peace Treaty, China was divided into three parts:
The Kuomintang regime continued to exist south of the Yangtze River, Mao Zedong's People's Republic of China took control of the territories of Ma Province, the state of Tibet expanded its possessions, the pro-Japanese state of Mengjiang received part of the territories of Inner Mongolia, and Japan itself received the Chinese seaports of Nantong, Bingzhou, and Qingdao, while the collaborationist government of Wang Jingwei was established in Beijing.
Japan itself, having become a regional leader in the Pacific Ocean, gradually reformed its political system, significantly expanding the number of rights and freedoms for business and ordinary people, not forgetting the cult of power, the spirit of brave samurai and the strict control of the military government, which, also, slowly but surely changed from a totalitarian military to an authoritarian civilian one.
During World War II, some German scientists of Jewish origin fled to the United States, thanks to which America became the first country in the world to test nuclear weapons on July 16, 1945 at the Alamogordo test site in New Mexico, however, due to the absence of a global war, the Trinity test will not be a secret for the world community, and soon, Great Britain, France, the Soviet Union, Italy and Japan will test their nuclear weapons.
The United States itself is emerging from its self-imposed isolation, giving European countries loans for recovery; however, such a powerful dependence of European countries on Washington as in reality will not happen, because America will focus its attention on spreading its influence to the countries of Southeast Asia and Latin America.
Without a global war that does not affect even a quarter of the planet, decolonization slows down significantly.
The Indian Republic proclaims its independence under Prime Minister Subha Chandra Bose during a national referendum in 1967.
Uprisings in the French colonies of Madagascar, Algeria and Igdochina are brutally suppressed, as is the uprising of the communists of Kim Il Sung in the Japanese protectorate of Korea.
Today, Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands and other European countries still hold a considerable part of their possessions in Africa, Asia, America and the Middle East.
After the war, Great Britain itself was transformed into the British Commonwealth, all dominions and protectorates were abolished, and numerous peoples of overseas possessions received equal rights with Europeans.
In Italy, after the death of Benito Mussolini in April 1955, his close friend and comrade-in-arms, pilot Italo Balbo, became the new Italian Duce. After Balbo's death in June 1970, the Italian King Umberto II dissolved the Fascist Grand Council, thereby restoring the multi-party system.
At this time, similar events took place in Spain:
After the death of Caudillo Francisco Franco, his successor Juan Carlos I carried out democratization and restoration of the monarchy.
Seeing the dissolution of the Mediterranean Pact and the decline of fascism, the Turkish Republic, like Italy and Spain, carried out democratization and joined the EU, while maintaining good neighborly relations with Iran, the Arabs, the USA and the USSR.
The Holocaust never happened, therefore, most Jews continued their peaceful existence in Europe. Some Jews, voluntarily or not, moved to the Soviet city of Birobidzhan, some to the French colony of Madagascar, some to British Palestine, however, Israel in its modern form does not exist.
@@КоролевствоШрекистан you did really a great work!
@@zvallid Thanks!
Excellent video as always, welcome back Sir
Another masterclass made by master Zvallid
Waiting for its part 2❤
yes there will be
The German polish border is cursed
The greatest timeline
All the Empire ever had to do was STAND BACK while quietly building up as the two nightmare empires tore each other to shreds. It would've stayed out of major debt, kept its manpower and been in a prime position when the dust settled. I guess Japan might've been a problem, but the Empire could CONCENTRATE on that.
the warmonger churchill destroyed britain and the whole europe
@@zvallid I used to not believe he was a warmonger until I looked more into him, from the first speech he gave when he was in power he said that peace is not an option and that he'll fight the Germans until the end. Just what kind of leader says such a thing? It's deranged. Hell, he was firmly anti German before the war even started when he was still serving as first lord of admiralty.
@@fador1337he dosen't like german and dosen't want them to be a great power
@@fador1337plus he said if the furher against the demon I will be the allie with the devil
Great points of view!
As a man from Poland, I can't ever born in this what if. Part my family, from father side, come from Lviv, and mother side family from Cracow. If we don't lose East territory after WW2 my father-side stay there (In real timeline vastly part come to Lower Silesia, place who I always call home). Nonetheless, as always good what if. Keep it up, Zvallid. Thank you for making me night this movie.
Similarly to me, except that my family on my great-grandmother's side came not from Lviv but from the village of "Holendry" near Tarnopol, and talking aboit my great-grandfather's side, I think they came from Volhynia. My great-great-grandfather from my great-grandmother's side, Wojciech, born around 1896, fought in the Austro-Hungarian army where he became a "Feldfebel", i.e. a second lieutenant. in 1916 he got married and their marriage have made four children, of which one of the two daughters later married a guy who became my great-grandfather. If it weren't for the Second World War, they would have stayed there on Kresy. but also later, the Soviets exiled Wojciech and his family to the Ural Mountains, to the town of Berezovkiy, for being a village Sołtys. If it weren't for the German attack on the USSR in 1941, the Soviets would probably never have allowed them to return to Poland. so After the war my family ended up in Lower Silesia too. Although the oldest son of that Wojciech was fighting in the Monte Cassino battle but he was injured in the leg and because the British when he was in 1945-1946 in britain didin't help him then when he have come back to Poland then he died because his leg injure became infected and the leg was cut off too late. He was only a 23 years old when he died if i remember good.
None of us could be born in this timeline, the butterfly effect would turn into a mountain effect and way too many deviations would happen. We'd all be entirely different people with entirely different lives.
@@fador1337 Probably you right. Who knows who we are if this happen. My family was poor and land is all what they have (I say about great-grandfathers.).
Great video, thank you!
The based timeline we never got.
Please do the other scenarios 🙏
Great job lad
Heesssss baaaaccckkkkk (epic music 🎶🎵)
Awesome work as usual bro !
England is opposed to authoritarianism yet imprisons someone for having a different political opinion.
Another excellent alternate history scenario by Zvallid!
This timeline is interesting...
Love the video. Thank you so much zvallid!
Just glad none of these events could happen
Its really thought provoking as the english are germanic, such as the germans or nordics or dutch. Imagine a British SS unit
@@LvoZee05 there was , It was named the st George unit
Another amazing video i love these
Interesting video. But it's more likely Mosley's Britain would be like Francoist Spain during a war with the Soviet Union; pro-Axis but officially neutral (e.g. German ships could refuel in British ports, the Foreign Enlistment Act would be ignored for British volunteers who want to join the Wehrmacht in Russia).
The second scenario at the end is more plausible. America was hostile to the British Empire in reality. Mosley's British Empire joining with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan would be a nightmare for the Yanks. They would do everything in their power to stop it. An American-Gallo-Sino bloc with a hostage Latin America versus the Anglo-German-Japanese bloc would probably be the world of 1950.
Really, I don't think there will be a deadlock. France would fall very soon, leaving the USSR and the USA alone.
Russia would not receive the majority of the lend-lease supplies. Because a naval blockade by Germany, Italy, Britain, and Spain would stop that.
Additionally, naval forces from Japan, the UK, Australia, and other countries would block a large portion of it from proceeding.
Additionally, keep in mind that the USA and USSR are MUCH weaker in this era. In this timeline, bombs are being dropped on the USA. not as in our timeline.
Moreover, pressure would come from all sides on the USA.
The British fleet, the German fleet, the Italian fleet, the Spanish fleet, the Canadian fleet (which, incidentally, was the third largest navy in our timeline), and most certainly the Portuguese fleet since they are a traditional British ally.
A British, Japanese, Australian, and New Zealand fleet in the Pacific would also almost certainly manage to push the United States through.
Additionally, given that Germany and Britain in particular are far stronger militarily and economically than they are in our period, their industrial potential would be significantly bigger. I'll tell you each major power's industrial capacity from 1938 to 1939 (in OUR timeline).
1.) United States 28%
2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4%
3.) The United Kingdom (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1%
4.) 9.9% USSR
5.) France accounted for 4.1%.
6.) 3.4% Japan
7.) 2.6% Italy
Just as Japan did ALONE in our era, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand would all work fast to capture east Asia along with Japan. Britain and Italy would protect not only the Middle East but also Africa. Eventually, forces from Germany, Italy, Finland, Britain, India, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria, Spain, and Portugal would overrun the Soviet Union. And given how near Turkey came to joining the Axis in OUR timeline, I believe that Turkey would also join the Axis side in the conflict, with an Axis middle east and east Asia, as well as a largely united Europe and Africa. Bombers from Japan and India would probably target the Soviet factories in the country's east and central regions. Additionally, because the Axis essentially controls the Mediterranean, Atlantic, Persian, Indian, and Pacific oceans, they could trade with one another because the sea routes would be somewhat protected. As a result, nations like Germany and Britain, which are free of hostilities and bombings, would see a gradual transformation of their economies into war economies. Resources from the Axis's conquest of Russian territory, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and East Asia would almost guarantee that the Axis would have plenty of supplies. And as I mentioned before, because the maritime channels are free of the US fleet, which is already getting squeezed through, Britain would still be able to trade with other neutral and friendly nations. Furthermore, neither the USA nor Russia possess as many U-boats as Germany did in order to RAPIDLY destroy merchant ships. In the end, the economies of the Axis, particularly those of Germany and Britain, would expand despite the conflict.
An already stronger Japan could defeat the United States in the Battle of Midway if they had more intelligence and participation from the British. And that's about the extent of it. Axis research would finally obtain the bomb if the USA chose not to submit after the USSR fell.
@@Mr.Sakazuki thank you for the great and interesting comments
@@zvallid Np! 😃
@@Mr.Sakazuki I don't doubt the Soviet Union would have fallen quickly in this timeline. That's why I excluded it from my suggestions for the power blocs of 1950. And on second thoughts, France would fall quickly as well. It would be essentially cut off from America by the Royal Navy and Kriegsmarine.
Now regarding America, it wouldn't bow to the Axis so easily. Managed properly, the industrial might of the United States could match the power of the expanded Axis - at least defensively. In our world, the United States Navy in 1943 had more ships than all the other Allied and Axis navies combined. In this scenario, the Americans wouldn't have naval supremacy in the Atlantic and Pacific, but their naval strength would be enough to curtail any Axis incursions into the Americas.
Even if the Axis developed the atomic bomb first and used several against America, this wouldn't be enough. Unlike Japan in 1945, the Americans have the means and capabilities to strike back against London, Berlin, or Tokyo.
After the successful Axis conquests of the Soviet Union and France, and an American 'regime change' in Canada, the war would quickly turn into a frozen conflict.
@@SirHarryFlashman "Match the power of the expanded Axis"
When the USA supplied and sold weapons to Britain, its economy would have grown significantly. I will concede, though, that their economy did not grow abroad. All I'm saying is that it was a VERY NOTORIOUS rise. The USA's industrial "war potential" was also not three or four times the UK's industrial "war potential" I'll give you a comparison of all Great power's Industrial capacity in OUR TIMELINE.. 1.) USA 28% 2.) Germany 12.3 - 12.4% 3.) Britain (NOT INCLUDING THE DOMINIONS) 11.1% 4.) USSR 9.9% 5.) France 4.1% 6.) Japan 3.4% 7.) Italy 2.6% In OUR timeline however, Germany and especially Britain would have been significantly stronger as a result of Mosley's tenure, policies, and changes. You must have watched the video, I'm quite sure of it. Between 1936 and 1941, Germany and Britain would have experienced great economic and military growth while living in peace. It implies that their industrial production would exceed that of our own timeline Probably giving equal weight to the industrial potential of Britain and Germany in this timeline as that of America. However, when you include the dominions or even just combine Germany's and the British Empire's industrial potential, it will exceed that of the United States. Naturally, only somewhat, but still.
"In 1943 the United States Navy had more ships then all the other Allied and Axis Navies combined"
Listen buddy, you don't need to lie..
The USA just exceeded the weakened Great Britain in our timeline in LATE 1943.. Even so, the British Empire's navy remained the biggest in the world at the end of the war. Approximately 600 ships made up Great Britain at the end of the conflict. The USA Navy in it's entirety had about 900. Let's now include the dominions in the game. By 1945, Canada's fleet, which was, coincidentally, the third largest in the world, numbered perhaps in the range of 350 to 400 ships. When the fleets of Australia and New Zealand are included, the weaker British Empire eventually becomes larger than the United States of America-and this is ALL inside OUR timeline. "Canada is instantly getting devoured" The USA is CONSIDRABLY weaker than it was in OUR era, so the USA would not "instantly" swallow them. It would only be after several months that the USA WOULD be able to conquer Canada. "Easily build a navy that surpasses Britain" A significantly more powerful Royal Navy would really overwhelm the outmatched American fleet. Not only that, but it would be a devastation. Germany and Italy's strong fleets, particularly Italy's, would be able to go across and relocate to the Atlantic if they joined Britain in the conflict. along with the British fleet in the Mediterranean. Therefore, the USA would most definitely not be able to get through if Germany, Italy, and especially Britain had fleets that were SIGNIFICANTLY far more powerful then they we're in OUR timeline. Furthermore, a Spanish and Portuguese fleet would also be beneficial to them. Remember the Canadian fleet, too. But that's limited to the Atlantic. In the Pacific, a Japanese, British, Australian, and New Zealand fleet would also squeeze the USA through. Bombs on US industry and manufacturing facilities would then be launched once the allied Navy's achieved total dominance. Canada would also launch limited bombing assaults against US industries early in the war. Furthermore, the Canadians would be able to retain control of Newfoundland and Labrador once them and their allies had total naval dominance. It was shielded by the sea, and would utilize it as a base for attacking American industrial targets. weakening the USA much further.
This seems like a better world
I think the big looser of this Timeline without even participate in the war are the Frenchs and the Japanese, Ironic
Hitler Fun Club would be a good band name 😂
Bearing in mind Moseley is very anti war and most likely would not want to attack anyone
you are right but he was anti war when he was at the political opposition, when you are in power things could change
@@ChickenNuggie48 could make the spin its to help destroy communism and its limited war in nature and more like a military volunteer program
Goat is finally back
You should make an Alernate History Scenario abour what if Britain left WW2 in 1940
exact it's one of the projects
@@zvallidplease also do WW2 if USA and uk are 2x stronger and how is can defeat Axis alone
Thankyou men
Finally new video!
What if soviet union was never formed?
Love your content ❤
thank you!
Free Playstation.
Love your videos Zvallid!!
14:28 gave me the chills
It was logical for all of the European empires to unite against the USSR.
27:35 I tried this playing Hearts of Iron 1 and it took forever until the surrender of the USA...
Interesting and plausible
Can't wait for the next video!
Hell yea we are so back with this one
Always special when you release a video my friend
Being half British i pól polski I think this is the perfect world
A perfect world !.Until Hitler decides to absorb Poland.Poles being regarded as Slavic untermensch.Read Mein Kampf.
27:38 now this is the real world war. This one was just a european war thats it
exact
@@zvallidhey uhhh zvallid can you do the next scenario but this one is interesting
Uk-France (Because Of Pierre laval if they want to join axis If Its Possible)-Germany-Italy-Japan Axis Alliance Vs Usa-Ussr-China Alliance
@@J_The_Editor exact but france could stay neutral
@@zvallid thats aslo possible but the most likely will be france joining axis due to maybe german or uk promise for idk maybe quebec i guess???????
@@zvallid but if thats what you want well you can do it anyway since you can decide it
Another excellent video Zvalid! So I guess this is a *TO BE CONTINUED....?*
Yes exact
Per Me questo Mondo possibile..... ..sarebbe Stato
Il MONDO. DEI. SOGNI.
per tutti noi lo sarebbe stato