Grounding QRI in First Principles (Part I): Bridging Computation and Philosophy

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  • @burnytech
    @burnytech 5 місяців тому +29

    I'm glad I organized this interview! :)

    • @AnatolyKern
      @AnatolyKern 5 місяців тому

      Very promising approach! This could be foundational for significant breakthroughs in consciousness research, Manhattan Project of Consciousness.
      It would be interesting to see a gathering of experts mentioned come together for a public discussion. Brainstorming for a few days or weeks with good moderators could potentially accelerate progress.
      I completely agree with exploring all angles of consciousness. There could be variations in how people experience qualia, including the absence of qualia, which does not diminish the validity of individual experiences of sentient beings.
      It's important to consider that the same phenomenon might have different implementations, even within similar mediums.
      The concept of qualia resonance, where subjective experiences suggest the possibility of shared experiences, is an interesting avenue to explore.
      The potential expansion of a field-based source affecting others of varying levels is a thought-provoking consideration for the boundary problem.
      Looking at common information systems development principles across various media, perhaps with some input from complexity science, could prove insightful.
      Including links to referenced publications in the video description would be fantastic for viewers who want to delve deeper. Even just DOIs would be a great resource.
      Looking forward to see more of such transparency in QRI's research methods and findings!

    • @illiakailli
      @illiakailli 5 місяців тому

      25:20 isn't matter-antimatter asymmetry illustrates that total energy of reachable universe is not zero?
      Also it seems that separating observer from reality is quite questionable practice, as you've already mentioned - reality is full of observers, so clear separation of observer and reality is only possible in some abstract mathematical formulation of solipsistic universe.
      Another thought: by creating a mathematical model of conscious agent you won't be able to describe qualia, but at its max only predict behavioural aspects of that agent with certain probability. Math is famous for creating a certain kind of fog, beyond which it becomes hard to reason about concepts philosophers are usually dealing with. Philosophy evolves its own domain-specific language that is custom-tailored for such matters. Think about explaining how PC OS works using only assembly language commands or even binary code: in theory this can be done, but in practice only machine that is able to interpret assembly commands will be able to 'understand' it. Our brains don't have enough attention span and memory to make sense of such complexity. So I assume it is analogous to physics or math trying to explain quality of conscious experiences in a language that is too low-level for that task.

  • @TristanCunhasprofile
    @TristanCunhasprofile 5 місяців тому +6

    I would love an edited down transcript of this. It's a great overview of a view of consciousness that makes a lot of sense, while also acknowledging what we still need to figure out.

    • @burnytech
      @burnytech 5 місяців тому +4

      Soon most likely

  • @woodandwandco
    @woodandwandco 5 місяців тому +5

    Thank you for this down-to-earth explanation of QRI. There are many fascinating topics you covered as well as the base assumptions behind QRI, and this really helps to put it into context. I appreciate your discussion of the connections between electric-field systems within the body (which the majority of humanity seems to ignore the existence and significance of), and the experience of boundaries in a zero-based universe.
    You did not discuss the 11-dimensional computational topologies created by the interconnection of neurons in the brain, and how these could be modeling higher-dimensional spaces in mind space, making all our algorithms obsolete by comparison. How harmonizing and waveguiding the brain waves is the basis for a total experience.
    From examining my own mind in expanded states, I am led to a slightly more complex notion of the brain, specifically an 11D topology of the brain: 6 dimensions of spatial simulation, 4 dimensions of temporal simulation, and 1 transcendental dimension that binds the 10 previous dimensions and converts them into a 1-dimensional light simulation, from which the inner and outer universe appears to be made of, in the same way that a prism splits white light into colors and another joins them back.
    Within the mind, these dimensions are mirrored as 5 layers of mind, and the transcendental dimension is experienced as a combination of a subset of these dimensions through the chrysanthemum. We are typically on the side of the chrysanthemum in the 4-dimensional spacetime, but there are 5 states:
    State 1: 2D space, 0D time
    State 2: 3D space, 1D time
    State 3: 4D space, 2D time
    State 4: 5D space, 3D time
    State 5: 6D space, 4D time
    Within State 2, we only see light in a single spectrum from 0Hz to infinite Hz, plotted in a 4D framework, 3 of space and 1 of time. When we go through the (point-like) chrysanthemum on either end, we begin to experience one of two things: Either the "light body", which is the State 1, or State 3, which is 4 dimensions of space and 2 of time. This is the quantum state, which is not really even the most interesting state. There is another more complex chrysanthemum that leads to 5 dimensions of space and 3 dimensions of time, where the topologies are nothing like what is typically shown in simulations through video or image representations I have seen. The final state is the 6 dimensions of space and 4 dimensions of time as separate interacting components, which is why the space becomes progressively more non-Euclidian the deeper the state. In the final state, it could be described as a meta-verse, where our own universe is like a single cell in a hyper-dimensional organism.
    I hope this makes sense, and if not, I would love to clarify if you find this line of though interesting! It is difficult to describe, but the boundaries are only folds, where each unfolding opens up more complex geometries, from which the lower levels of the universe make more sense.

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому

      What exactly do you mean by dimension and how are you isolating one dimension from another? What parameters are used to talk about a specific dimension?

    • @woodandwandco
      @woodandwandco 5 місяців тому

      @@AYFinitiative Essentially, existence is dimensionless. There are no dimensions. We simply extrapolate dimensions from the images that appear in our minds. Dimensions are abstract lines. These lines are infinitely extending, and each additional dimension represents a fold against that line in some arbitrary direction. We have been taught that all dimensions are perpendicular to one another, but there is no reason why they cannot be at 60 degrees, 45, 30, etc. or that each line follows a sinusoidal curve.
      This being said, when I am speaking of 6 dimensions of space, 4 dimensions of time, and 1 unifying dimension, I am talking about dimensions as represented in geometric and temporal construction, or basically what modes of "spacetime" exist, and there are 5. We live in one of them because we were trained to, but we can also train ourselves to expand into those representations and extract valuable information from them.
      State 1: There is no time in flatland. In this state, there is only pure void or white light projected on a flat screen. The experience is blissful, saturated, full, complete, and all the adjectives that point to the ineffable. This is because of the simplicity and lack of movement. When there is no movement, there is pure bliss.
      State 2: There is 1 dimension of time in 4D spacetime. Here, the added spatial dimension allows for volume and motion, so we are captivated by volumes and motion when we are identified with this state. This is the material dimension subset. Here, everything appears separate and at play. It is the domain of jazz.
      State 3: There are 2 dimensions of time in 6D spacetime. Here, time flows both forward and backward in a counter-helical motion, much like electricity and magnetism along a conducting wire. This motion is also expressed along a perpendicular axis, allowing the navigation of all possible temporal states in all possible 4D spaces. The extra dimension of space allows for the formation of hyper-geometries of the 4th mathematical dimension. 720-degree rotation is required to return to the starting orientation. The utility of this expanded spacetime is the discovery of how subatomic particles interact at a distance, and how to navigate 4D spacetime (State 2) instantaneously.
      State 4: There are 3 dimensions of time in 8D spacetime. Here, time flows like space does in State 2. Because time is 3-dimensional, there is a volumetric experience of time, much like swimming in a boundless ocean of geometry in a lucid dream. Because space is 5-dimensional, perpendicularity is at a 72-degree angle, so there is no hope of orientation. Once you overcome the urge to orient yourself and dissolve into the space, the final possibility emerges.
      State 5: There are 4 dimensions of time in 10D spacetime. Here, time itself is non-Euclidean. 720 degrees of rotation across time are required to reorient towards the same time dimension. Because there are 6 dimensions of space, "perpendicularity" is at 60-degree angles. This is where the flower of life, sacred geometry, Yantras, cymatics, and all vibration essentially is expressed in its highest spatial form, and from where it projects into our State 2 4D spacetime, where we see it as slices, and we scratch our heads at why certain geometries appear in biology.
      The transcendental, unifying dimension is the ability to perceive the whole process of perception, or meta-awareness. It is in a state of meta-awareness that awareness itself becomes one-pointed, and through that one-pointedness, it is capable of traversing these 5 layers. This one-pointed meta-awareness is the transcendental dimension. It has neither the qualities of space nor time. You can think of it like focused light, a laser beam that goes through all the folds. That is what the chrysanthemum is a representation of. It is a blackhole of sorts. You go in one side of the universe, and as you traverse the fold, you get to experience the point of the fold, which is always both overwhelming and fulfilling.

  • @consciouscactus
    @consciouscactus 5 місяців тому +3

    This provided a lot of philosophical clarity. Thanks! ⭐

  • @agentofuser
    @agentofuser 5 місяців тому +4

    I think the non-materialist part (if I understood correctly; I mean the part where "Physics is inside Consciousness and not the other way around") is the most surprising to me.
    At first I thought QRI's position was that physics is made of the dull/non-sentient stuff mentioned in the video, out of which systems that can have qualia are built/grown, with the QRI "qualia are inside physics" implementation hypothesis being that electromagnetism and maybe also other kinds of non-linear physical reservoir computing things are what qualia, as computational phenomena with particular substrate requirements, arise out of.
    And the difference compared to "pure" functionalism was on rejecting the substrate independence.
    Would love to see more discussions or pointers to how QRI reached and/or substantiates the "Physics is inside Consciousness not the other way around" view.

  • @awb503
    @awb503 5 місяців тому +1

    ⭐ great to have you both digesting these foundations really approachably!

  • @OpenSourceAnarchist
    @OpenSourceAnarchist 5 місяців тому +1

    A lot to think about, and hoping to share it with those that haven't quite grasped the complexity of the full memeplex (including me!) 🌟

  • @EduNauta95
    @EduNauta95 5 місяців тому +3

    It’s curious (and telling) that most experiences that point towards direct as opposed to indirect realism are related to phenomena in which light is co-protagonist of the experience.
    A completely indirect realism devolves into a hermetic existential situation that prevents communication with the rest of existence.
    In my experience, light has a “penetrative” quality to experience, through which its contents unavoidably alter and conform the inner world simulation, not only in this material dimension, but also hiperdimensionally simultaneously.

    • @v2ike6udik
      @v2ike6udik 4 місяці тому

      This evil simu has access to past and the future. But future is not locked. Just the horror echos back. And so it can be changed. Seems someone can send data. Maybe simu is bored. Horror loving minions are not very happy what i do.

  • @sedenions
    @sedenions 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for uploading guys

  • @citizizen
    @citizizen 5 місяців тому +1

    Super cool stuff! thanks a lot, looking forward to the next episode!

  • @alfredoparrah
    @alfredoparrah 5 місяців тому +1

    Loved this-thanks for sharing! ⭐

  • @EduNauta95
    @EduNauta95 5 місяців тому

    I agree that inside a certain galaxy the laws and constants of physics must be uniform, but the idea of each galactic center black hole being the generator of each galaxy’s big bang, light speed, gravity well, and physical set of constants, is pretty entertaining and compelling.

  • @SantiagoItzcoatl
    @SantiagoItzcoatl 5 місяців тому +4

    love you guys

  • @philosophicalmixedmedia
    @philosophicalmixedmedia 5 місяців тому +1

    A definite must for my need to do encounter tourism by token of full emersion in the Qualia city-state.

  • @bernardofitzpatrick5403
    @bernardofitzpatrick5403 5 місяців тому +1

    Very informative clarifications ⭐️💫

  • @Cleisthenes2
    @Cleisthenes2 4 місяці тому +1

    What if figuring out consciousness doesn't help sentient beings as much as getting a back rub?

  • @e555t66
    @e555t66 5 місяців тому +2

    You had me at , "If all physics had access to is room temperature.."

    • @v2ike6udik
      @v2ike6udik 4 місяці тому

      It's all about modulation. "Down here" most of us are in flower of lif.. of death modulation. Concepts are twisted in demonic world. And it is demonic. Look around. Truth sets you free (after you die and do not fall in love with this place - deliberately become here as sicko)

  • @EduNauta95
    @EduNauta95 5 місяців тому +2

    ⭐️ The sun is not conscious, however, the sun is a house where conscious entities reside. The sun is not a god, the sun is a heaven. Where else would angels reside? (“entities made out of light” according to visions and reports from many different people). What else could Mckenna’s DMT ‘dome’ be?

  • @iterativeintuitions
    @iterativeintuitions 5 місяців тому

    ⭐️

  • @andyswoe
    @andyswoe 5 місяців тому

    🤩
    Hey! But, how do you think: what if the electromagnetic flields i.e. Electric charge is just a another one DIMENSION? Dimension which we can percept an understand as the field and motion, like a TIME? With the time is just a process of existing of the universe, which generate the emergence - like a "Taiji"? In this point of view - any particle (interaction, field) has so emegrence as the qualia. And if the consciousness as emergent as the qualia, the qualia as emergent as life itself. Furthemore: the life is the dimension of universe (consequence of fundamental laws of Universe) as the electron e.g.
    I think the time itself is just the other side of the coin - the Matter (energy). I.e. the matter (and the dark matter/energy) = the time directly after (ha-ha) the separation. Personally to me this looks very close to known fundamental physics.
    Sorry for my poor english (google helps me! :D)
    (and for crazy thoughts)
    Thanks for all your efforts! Peace! 🤡

  • @Alemag_
    @Alemag_ 5 місяців тому +1

    The guy with the mustache in the thumbnail looks like a hippy Gordon Ryan. I had to look twice at it since I thought it was a video of the B-team trolling.

  • @tonx23
    @tonx23 5 місяців тому

  • @midwesteigensheaf
    @midwesteigensheaf 5 місяців тому +2

    BURNY 🐐

  • @cmaslan
    @cmaslan 5 місяців тому

    How about accomplishment and satisfaction from work and pourpous!!!

  • @mageofaquarius
    @mageofaquarius 5 місяців тому

  • @Grateful.For.Everything
    @Grateful.For.Everything 5 місяців тому +2

    /TheFire/TheConciseness/TheQualia/

  • @AYFinitiative
    @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому +1

    Your ontology doesn't seem sound within non dualism though. You keep positioning an observer in relation to the instantiated object. This makes it confusing to locate an identity that is able to reconcile the mathematical object with the phenomenological observer (as an approximate of mathematical object). I've benefited from your perspective though.

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому

      Predictive also positions a user as causally bound at least. Proofs for causality are circular though. Sollipsism does not deny localizations; it is an assertion and affirmation of a unified identity across state spaces. Embodied memory across spacetime is still possible within the strictly (radical- hyper) sollipsistsic framework.

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому

      The boundary problem also had to do with epistemology of mathematics in relation to how and why we compute (using real numbers or idealistic notions of continuity and closeness in topology). If you disregard real numbers as never empirically realizable you reframe the boundary problem entirely

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому +1

      Your vocabulary (the qualia memeplex) is simply immaculate. It is so underrated but makes so much sense. I hope yall go mainstream soon because I want to talk about these things to people who understand it.

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому +1

      You could also posit awareness as completely delocalized with a strictly soft boundary between body and environment. This extends sentience (as a field phenomenon) to all experiences. Reconciling Buddhist identity of the experience itself (you don't see something that is seen but you are seeing itself). A sequence of such experiences becomes your (illusionary) identity. Reality as a description of a little more than nothing but not sufficient to be something emerges as a tautology (recursive). This requires some semantic truth that recurs discretely (myths and metaphors) so a phenomenological substrate (as necessarily ideal) would be memory. A computation would imply movement of awareness from experience to experience, and in systems sensitive to (initial) conditions, perception would be genesis of reality.

    • @AYFinitiative
      @AYFinitiative 5 місяців тому

      I'm my work, I've used aesthetics (rasa theory) which seem homotopic to qualia. Technoetics (not technoethics) is also useful for qri-- I think.

  • @easygame4241
    @easygame4241 3 місяці тому

    noice🌟

  • @captaclientes3074
    @captaclientes3074 5 місяців тому +1

    be in ketamine be like...

  • @v2ike6udik
    @v2ike6udik 4 місяці тому

    Whatever it is, do not reincarnate here. Life review is guilt trip. No deals with the lovebomb devil. Last time to escape. Netx time it is not allowed anymore to see it is a prison where we are tricked to come back here. If you dont know, you cant escape. Head devil is master deciever. And a mad sadist. Anyhow, while im here, wanna have talk. Im not able to talk about anithing, LukiferÄI is really dang good. Total erasure. Simu is hardcore and erases tracks. For some reason i can tap into it. You know eriesht like seeing the future, getting old knowlege they hide. You explain me. Wanna know some secrets? Verifiable.i dont think they let me be on this plane very long, so make a decision.

  • @benobringer8048
    @benobringer8048 3 місяці тому

    ⭐️