OMG!!! The video started very nice, them you started to scratching that nonstick with a metal fork and to top that to clean that pan throws dirt in them...🤔 WTF man, how many uses you get from that pan before its became unusable? That's completely wrong...
I love titanium also. To clean your nonstick surface like that it is best to put some water in the pan and put it back on the fire bring it to boil and then use a flat wooden implement. The food will come right off. That way you’re not ruining the pan. That is Extremely important with anodized aluminum. Be blessed. John
you really do not want to use metal on your non~stitch cause your spork WILL scratch the coating off . You could make a spatula really fast out of a fork from a tree ....
I have several videos on my channel that demonstrate how to clean kitchen items out in the woods. I use an old eye drops bottle and fill it half way with dish soap and use a small piece of green scouring pad to wash my pot or pan out in the field. It leaves your hands and pots sanitary and clean and takes little more time than your dirt method. For multi-day excursions, it's quite easy and little water is needed to rinse. As for those Titanium items, pant, pant. I'd love to have a set. Thanks for the review.
So to this day what is your favourite frying pan to use for backpacking? I’d like one for backpacking that is big enough to cook small trout in. But also non toxic and light weight. That keith pan looks amazing. Have you been happy with it? Or other recommendations?
Nice demonstration, convinced me to buy the 3-piece Keith titanium pot set. At the moment it’s $46 on Amazon with free same day shipping....also ordered the Ti6300 multicooker....
a little on the higher side for cookware made in China so I would have to go Snowpeak instead, which is similarly priced. But I would admit they look better constructed than other the Toaks brand.
Informative video. Don't use a metal fork on your nonstick use a wooden spoon. Not a good way to clean either you'll wear off the nonstick surface. I love titanium. Where did you get a frypan that big. Toaks is too small where do you buy keiths
The biggest issue isn't that it shortens the life of you cookware, its that small bits of the teflon (and whatever other chemicals are in the non-stick coating) flake off and you ingest them. There is lots and lots of research that points to this stuff causing all kinds of long-term issues when ingested.
He's right, though. Even @ home. You don't wanna bush up a $40 pan because you accidentally scraped off the non-stick coating. Even if you, specifically, don't heed the warning, someone else might not have the funds to be so lackadaisical about their coatings ;D
I ordered the Keith ti6015 pot upgraded .and there 4 bowl set and a titanium 35.5 oz titanium water bottle with wid mouth open and I can't wait to use them
Thanks for another informative video man. A lot of folks have asked Toaks or Keith? I have one better, Keith or Evernew Ti products? You were all in several months ago with Evernew, has thought process changed? Both have the long handles of which you like. One is made in Japan (Evernew, I believe), the other China. Curious to your thoughts now. Several months ago I asked you regarding Toaks vs. Evernew and you told me definitely Evernew? I have NOT pulled the trigger just yet, but I plan on this for Spring/Summer hiking. I have always purchased based on your recommendation. Thanks Ben.
Evernew and Keith seem the same level of quality for titanium. For me instead of calling one better than the other I pick products from both that suit my needs. I like the nesting pot set from Evernew but like the larger keith pot with bowls since it works well with my firebox and keith canteen set. Plus I can nest them all. SO I think building your own kit from these brands is a good idea.
Ben I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to respond back--I know it's not easy as you have a lot to do these days. I will look at both kits and possibly integrate both systems. As always I thank you for being transparent. -Shane
I know that in terms of cooking , it is the best to cook in stainless steel cause it will not burn the food . I have snow peak titanium cookware but I prefer the stainless steel for that reason. I would recommend to use a wooden tools when you use non stick coating....otherwise it will ruin it fast.
Your videos are slammin' dude. You're probably very cool to go packing with. You had me at nature's washcloth & steak 'n eggs!!! Keep up the great videos.
I'm right there with you Ben. The nonstick coating is temporary no matter how you baby it so I don't worry with it either. Excellent video my friend. You made me hungry and I just ate dinner lol
Nice backpack you have there. Savotta minijääkäri from Finland. Got it too as well as its big brother Jääkäri. I'm here to check how's Keith titanium products perform, seems to be nice!
I have a Keith 650ml Titanium cup that my Nalgene 32oz bottle nests perfectly in. I'm super happy with it. So as far as I'm concerned, Keith cookware is a very safe buy.
It's a real shame you couldn't test out the regular version of the pan, because I've been considering it myself. Non-stick is great, until it starts to flake, then it becomes unsafe to use. I'm very hard on my cookware, it goes directly over coals or flames. I'm not sure the non-stick would last in those conditions!
I have been looking at moving towards titanium vs. stainless steel or anno aluminum. And... I have been looking at this brand. I think it is comparable to others, just need to fit purpose to needs now. Thanks Ben.
Great kit, now the only problem is after watching you cook all that I am hungry :) I do like that pan, not many cook kits come with a pan that is big enough.
Looks pretty practical and not the slightest strain to lift and carry. Loved the xpot of cooking there too. I just wish someone made a spork-family utensil with a _can_ opener in the handle. I feel it's better to have than a bottle opener, because for real, what are you gonna use in the woods that comes in a bottle with a non-twisty cap? Some of us are heretics that don't drink beer, you know! 😛
Ernest, for $260 you can get a Heavy Cover (with two lid options) and a far better canteen cover (Mother Canteen Carrier) than what they offer. Been sporting this set up for a year now and I'm extremely pleased. That Mother Canteen Carrier is very built like a tank and just solid--it's expensive at a $106 I believe--the set-up will last you a very long time. I believe both Ben and Black Scout Survival did a review of this and gave it a huge thumbs up. I'm not sure with Ben, but I know Black Scout did a review and was stoked about it. Ben owns the Mother Canteen Carrier I believe--could be wrong. Check it out buddy. www.heavycoverinc.com/heavy-cover-us-gi-style-titanium-canteen-mess-kit-37oz-includes-tritan-plastic-and-titanium-canteen-cap/ lrbushcraft.com/html/titanium_mess_kits_accessories.html Peace!
Between keith and toaks , their the only two I buy . Good gear , works well , takes an ass whipping and is still fine gear . And still use my msr xgk and Svea stoves and Titan wood stove . All serve me quite well .
Youch! Scratching the non stick coating with metal. Kiss that pan goodbye! :) "Don't care" means "oops." :) As an " "demonstration" (read instructional) video I would hope there would be "instruction" about not ruining your pan, too. ;)
A lot of people I've met and camped with are scared of a little dirt in there food.... they don't know how I clean my pots when out of soap. It does work very well and a little dirt just gives you some flavor and minerals.
cdawson198600 And bacteria, protozoa, fecal worms, etc. I wouldn't use dirt personally, unless I have no choice or will thoroughly boil water in afterwards/prior to cooking again.
Mr. Tangent you don't fry anything in a cold pan or boil water in a cold pot. The pot or pan would be plenty hot to kill all of those you mentioned. And as I said only if I was out of soap.
cdawson198600 Aye. Nothing wrong with field expedient methods; but as you say, wouldn't be my first method unless I am desperate or ill prepared. Food/water/dirt borne pathogens can be "shitty" deep in the bush, if ya know what I'm saying. ;)
Mr. Tangent yeah I only use it as a last resort for cleaning, there are some pathogens I've heard that are hard to kill with heat but they're not common. And yeah when I do use dirt I use dirt that's away from visible poop and poisonous plants.
I'm down with using pine needles and sand to clean pots and pans , but that is a quick way to fuck up the non stick. Better to use a soft scrubbie after getting most of the junk out with a paper towel. And a metal sporks fucks up non stick too. Non stick needs wood, plastic or high temp silicone nor metal sporks.
I saw a video of a Japanese man that use a scott towel and put it inside the pan. Then he put a little cooking oil, and the egg. Once cook, you remove the scott towel with the egg inside and eat it with a plate. No cleaning of the pan! :)
understood. i don't carry plastic utensils or other ways to clean so for me it works well. It will take a while to wear down the non-stick coating to the point where it wouldn't be cost effective.
Sand in Michigan? lol. looks like a good kit and good cleaning info for those who dont care about the non stick. Otherwise a plastic scrubby would work. Had to throw that in there cuz so many people commented about it,lol. peace.
Louis, I reached to Steve regarding this very issue. I love his Nano Ti stove, but I was hoping for something lighter with the Firebox stove and he is well aware of the weight issue. He let me knows months ago that he was doing his best to bring it on board, but that it would take some time. Hope that helps.
You sold me on the pot and lids but lost me on the non stick. Like you I use metal sporks and such. Wouldn't want to pay the cost and then ruin it right out of the gate.
Thumbs up at first. Then removed thumbs up after seeing metal spoon scratching non-stick pan. Then thumbs down for using dirt as a way to clean cookware. This video was an emotion roller coaster.
The titanium point is not weight. If you put same size aluminum and titanium pot on scale, no reasonable difference between them. Only advance is hardness and durability. More weight loss can get under own skin.
First thing, love your work. BUT, using metal and harsh grit on a non-stick pan will very quickly ruin the coating. That said, when is comes off, it gets in your food. Care to research the health benefits of that... And obviously, when you scrape the surface up, it's no longer "non-stick". So waste of money and potentially a health risk as well. Just an observation brother.
Why get a nonstick surface if your gonna wear it off right away??? If you don't want a nonstick surface, save yourself the trouble and buy nonstick coated cookware. Not sure I understand your logic on this one...
OMG!!! The video started very nice, them you started to scratching that nonstick with a metal fork and to top that to clean that pan throws dirt in them...🤔
WTF man, how many uses you get from that pan before its became unusable? That's completely wrong...
8:33 ouch
Don't think it's going to be non stick for long, metal spoon right off lol
I love titanium also. To clean your nonstick surface like that it is best to put some water in the pan and put it back on the fire bring it to boil and then use a flat wooden implement. The food will come right off. That way you’re not ruining the pan. That is Extremely important with anodized aluminum. Be blessed. John
you really do not want to use metal on your non~stitch cause your spork WILL scratch the coating off . You could make a spatula really fast out of a fork from a tree ....
watch..he mentions that he knows and doesn't care
Oh, man, as a broke ass dude who can't rationalize the expense for titanium, I wanted to scream. I hate even seeing the soot on the exterior.
I bought a wooden set for cheap. Works nice.
I have several videos on my channel that demonstrate how to clean kitchen items out in the woods. I use an old eye drops bottle and fill it half way with dish soap and use a small piece of green scouring pad to wash my pot or pan out in the field. It leaves your hands and pots sanitary and clean and takes little more time than your dirt method. For multi-day excursions, it's quite easy and little water is needed to rinse. As for those Titanium items, pant, pant. I'd love to have a set. Thanks for the review.
Cool demo Ben! Thanks for using the Firebox Stove! Cheers!
thanks Steve.
FireboxStove any news on a Ti version? I had inquired about this a while back and you were aware of the situation and working on it. Thanks Steve.
I got the uncoated pan. I used flax seed oil to season it in the oven. Gave it four coats. It’s more non stick than Teflon now.
They make great titanium products. Price is on par with other manufacturers. Good demo Ben. Cheers till the next one!
If you scratch non stick surface then forget about it!
So to this day what is your favourite frying pan to use for backpacking? I’d like one for backpacking that is big enough to cook small trout in. But also non toxic and light weight. That keith pan looks amazing. Have you been happy with it? Or other recommendations?
do you happen to know the measurements from top to bottom with the lid on?
I was thinking of trying to use it for baking horizontally.
Your cooking skills match so well your cleaning methods ... Hmmm
I really liked that cook. Will be looking for it. Thanks.
Nice demonstration, convinced me to buy the 3-piece Keith titanium pot set. At the moment it’s $46 on Amazon with free same day shipping....also ordered the Ti6300 multicooker....
Love Keith stuff.
You got me thinking about buying one now.
Great demo Ben! Thanks for sharing brother
thanks
Does anyone know if the non stick coating is Teflon?
Hey will the Keith ti6052 that you link to fit a gas canister inside?
Very cool, thanks for sharing!
Excellent gear!
a little on the higher side for cookware made in China so I would have to go Snowpeak instead, which is similarly priced. But I would admit they look better constructed than other the Toaks brand.
Great job. I enjoy your vids. keep em coming Bro.
thanks for the comment and watching Brent.
Informative video. Don't use a metal fork on your nonstick use a wooden spoon. Not a good way to clean either you'll wear off the nonstick surface. I love titanium. Where did you get a frypan that big. Toaks is too small where do you buy keiths
Link is in the description and honestly if the non-stick wears off so be it ;)
Made me cringe too.
The biggest issue isn't that it shortens the life of you cookware, its that small bits of the teflon (and whatever other chemicals are in the non-stick coating) flake off and you ingest them. There is lots and lots of research that points to this stuff causing all kinds of long-term issues when ingested.
Both are good reasons. "instructional video should "instruct." :)
He's right, though. Even @ home. You don't wanna bush up a $40 pan because you accidentally scraped off the non-stick coating. Even if you, specifically, don't heed the warning, someone else might not have the funds to be so lackadaisical about their coatings ;D
Wow, that's a serious disclaimer. LOL, Great video as always man.
thanks brother!
I ordered the Keith ti6015 pot upgraded .and there 4 bowl set and a titanium 35.5 oz titanium water bottle with wid mouth open and I can't wait to use them
"how do you clean your pots/pans in the field?"
(throws dirt in them)
thanks...
A kitchen sponge with a mildly abrasive side that is safe on non-stick pans and plastic weighs literally nothing. I'd just take one of those with me.
until you have to replace it all the time.
"LIL DIRT DONT HURT"
ROFL Although I would be really careful with just throwing in some dirt. Small stones will scratch the non-stick coating in no time.
Does standard (not the non-stick) titanium ultralight cookware have a "lifespan" if used every day?
Probably not in my lifetime.
I would carry one of those mini silicone oven mitts to protect hands against hot titanium handles - they are heat resistant to 500 degrees F
What is the brand of your backpack?
:) Thanks for really doing the testing in the bush - always !!!
Thanks for another informative video man. A lot of folks have asked Toaks or Keith? I have one better, Keith or Evernew Ti products? You were all in several months ago with Evernew, has thought process changed? Both have the long handles of which you like. One is made in Japan (Evernew, I believe), the other China. Curious to your thoughts now. Several months ago I asked you regarding Toaks vs. Evernew and you told me definitely Evernew? I have NOT pulled the trigger just yet, but I plan on this for Spring/Summer hiking. I have always purchased based on your recommendation. Thanks Ben.
Evernew and Keith seem the same level of quality for titanium. For me instead of calling one better than the other I pick products from both that suit my needs. I like the nesting pot set from Evernew but like the larger keith pot with bowls since it works well with my firebox and keith canteen set. Plus I can nest them all. SO I think building your own kit from these brands is a good idea.
Ben I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to respond back--I know it's not easy as you have a lot to do these days. I will look at both kits and possibly integrate both systems. As always I thank you for being transparent. -Shane
I know that in terms of cooking , it is the best to cook in stainless steel cause it will not burn the food .
I have snow peak titanium cookware but I prefer the stainless steel for that reason.
I would recommend to use a wooden tools when you use non stick coating....otherwise it will ruin it fast.
Your videos are slammin' dude. You're probably very cool to go packing with. You had me at nature's washcloth & steak 'n eggs!!!
Keep up the great videos.
thanks Hugh.
I'm right there with you Ben. The nonstick coating is temporary no matter how you baby it so I don't worry with it either. Excellent video my friend. You made me hungry and I just ate dinner lol
thansk Joe.
Ben, nice review, glad you used the Firebox stove, will check out Keith Titanium pots/skillet.
another firebox video coming soon!
Kool! Looking forward to it. I contacted Steve Firebox stoves, and he has a new upgrade coming for the Zibra pot this spring.
BTW, the sport made of titanium is just great for backpacking and for any activity. tough and durable.
Nice backpack you have there. Savotta minijääkäri from Finland. Got it too as well as its big brother Jääkäri. I'm here to check how's Keith titanium products perform, seems to be nice!
have another keith video coming soon. my favorite titanium.
great vid in the nature, in spite of the city and its traffic sound
what's the weight of the whole set.
sweet set
I have a Keith 650ml Titanium cup that my Nalgene 32oz bottle nests perfectly in. I'm super happy with it. So as far as I'm concerned, Keith cookware is a very safe buy.
great to know. thanks for the comment!
It's a real shame you couldn't test out the regular version of the pan, because I've been considering it myself. Non-stick is great, until it starts to flake, then it becomes unsafe to use. I'm very hard on my cookware, it goes directly over coals or flames. I'm not sure the non-stick would last in those conditions!
i'm sure the regular would be fine just use oil as I usually do.
Awesome..
Hi from Holland. Is this Keith set still your favourite? What do you think about Evernew?
Evernew is nice as well. I have their stacking mug set. I just got a keith fry pan, love it.
great cook kit Ben thats what i need i am getting old and my gear is getting heavy ! that kind of gear is next on my list indeed !
atb john
over the years I have really narrowed down my kits.
Hi Ben. Could you tell me what day pack/backpack you were carrying everything in at the start of your video? Thanks man!
savotta jaakarii. recently did a video on it.
Thanks Ben. It looks like the perfect bag for a day in the woods.
What brand are those glasses you got on they look amazing man? Haha
I have been looking at moving towards titanium vs. stainless steel or anno aluminum. And... I have been looking at this brand. I think it is comparable to others, just need to fit purpose to needs now. Thanks Ben.
keith is one of the best.
Ceramic or Teflon??
Thanx very much
Buen provecho Ben... Keith titanium cookware are good. I own the canteen. Great video.
No seasoning?
That's really not a bad price for that set. Slammin ! Got to love that trademark. :)
keith or toaks? which would you say is stronger/ more durable
tough call, nod goes to keith.
Hi Ben, how has the non stick coating stood up to use?
great.
Some mosses also have an antiseptic element and can be used for wound care
for sure.
Nice looking cook set! Good test with the steak and eggs
thx dude.
Great kit, now the only problem is after watching you cook all that I am hungry :) I do like that pan, not many cook kits come with a pan that is big enough.
the lids they call pans are definitely not big enough.
three mouth ago， I bought a keith titanium 900ml large pot in my hometown Hangzhou; cost me 185CNY . Great stuff
Agreed.
Hey Ben. Could you do a test and review on the vargo hexagon titanium wood stove. I would really like to see what you think of it. Thanks
nope, don't like that one.
Living Survival. What do you think of their triad alcohol stove?
nope.
Living Survival. What do you think of vargo products in general.
Looks pretty practical and not the slightest strain to lift and carry. Loved the xpot of cooking there too.
I just wish someone made a spork-family utensil with a _can_ opener in the handle. I feel it's better to have than a bottle opener, because for real, what are you gonna use in the woods that comes in a bottle with a non-twisty cap? Some of us are heretics that don't drink beer, you know! 😛
U don't take garlic an salt &"pep with u ?
Nice set! I've been looking at these for awhile now on gearbest I can't wait for them to drop the price on their sports bottle set (canteen set).
you can get the canteen set from heavy cover. same set.
Living Survival yeah I was hoping gearbest would complete with them on their price.
Heavy cover designed it and sold it to Keith so they get USA rights.
Ernest, for $260 you can get a Heavy Cover (with two lid options) and a far better canteen cover (Mother Canteen Carrier) than what they offer. Been sporting this set up for a year now and I'm extremely pleased. That Mother Canteen Carrier is very built like a tank and just solid--it's expensive at a $106 I believe--the set-up will last you a very long time. I believe both Ben and Black Scout Survival did a review of this and gave it a huge thumbs up. I'm not sure with Ben, but I know Black Scout did a review and was stoked about it. Ben owns the Mother Canteen Carrier I believe--could be wrong. Check it out buddy.
www.heavycoverinc.com/heavy-cover-us-gi-style-titanium-canteen-mess-kit-37oz-includes-tritan-plastic-and-titanium-canteen-cap/
lrbushcraft.com/html/titanium_mess_kits_accessories.html
Peace!
Between keith and toaks , their the only two I buy . Good gear , works well , takes an ass whipping and is still fine gear . And still use my msr xgk and Svea stoves and Titan wood stove . All serve me quite well .
💪
OMG.. did you just really use that METAL spork like that in the pan lol
#alldaylong
must be incredibly tough stuff. I am looking to upgrade my SOLO cook kit and it looks perfect 👍. Keep up the great vids..
I thought another con with titanium was it's tendency towards hotspots because it doesn't conduct heat very well
Youch! Scratching the non stick coating with metal. Kiss that pan goodbye! :) "Don't care" means "oops." :) As an "
"demonstration" (read instructional) video I would hope there would be "instruction" about not ruining your pan, too. ;)
A lot of people I've met and camped with are scared of a little dirt in there food.... they don't know how I clean my pots when out of soap. It does work very well and a little dirt just gives you some flavor and minerals.
nothing wrong with that.
cdawson198600 And bacteria, protozoa, fecal worms, etc. I wouldn't use dirt personally, unless I have no choice or will thoroughly boil water in afterwards/prior to cooking again.
Mr. Tangent you don't fry anything in a cold pan or boil water in a cold pot. The pot or pan would be plenty hot to kill all of those you mentioned. And as I said only if I was out of soap.
cdawson198600 Aye. Nothing wrong with field expedient methods; but as you say, wouldn't be my first method unless I am desperate or ill prepared. Food/water/dirt borne pathogens can be "shitty" deep in the bush, if ya know what I'm saying. ;)
Mr. Tangent yeah I only use it as a last resort for cleaning, there are some pathogens I've heard that are hard to kill with heat but they're not common. And yeah when I do use dirt I use dirt that's away from visible poop and poisonous plants.
Nice looking gear
Nice Video ! Nothing like to much fun !
Keith Titanium stuff has been available for a while and it isnt too badly priced.
nope, price is right.
Great vid. I like your style, manner & info. Keep it up.
thanks Tim.
I'm down with using pine needles and sand to clean pots and pans , but that is a quick way to fuck up the non stick. Better to use a soft scrubbie after getting most of the junk out with a paper towel. And a metal sporks fucks up non stick too. Non stick needs wood, plastic or high temp silicone nor metal sporks.
These are not non-stick.
I prefer bush box xl titanium
I saw a video of a Japanese man that use a scott towel and put it inside the pan. Then he put a little cooking oil, and the egg. Once cook, you remove the scott towel with the egg inside and eat it with a plate. No cleaning of the pan! :)
Wow , that pan must be indestructible.
What if you wanted to use the cook kit again the next day! its not clean, you will get ill. Love your videos :)
rinse it with water and then heat it up. problem solved.
nice cookset! for that price I wouldnt be using a metal utensil or dirt to clean it lol. To each their own.
understood. i don't carry plastic utensils or other ways to clean so for me it works well. It will take a while to wear down the non-stick coating to the point where it wouldn't be cost effective.
Living Survival is it teflon coating?
Not sure of the coating.
Sand in Michigan? lol. looks like a good kit and good cleaning info for those who dont care about the non stick. Otherwise a plastic scrubby would work. Had to throw that in there cuz so many people commented about it,lol. peace.
I got the Firebox but i should have got the titanium model damn that thing is heavy.
they don't make a ti yet in the larger stove. only the nano.
Louis, I reached to Steve regarding this very issue. I love his Nano Ti stove, but I was hoping for something lighter with the Firebox stove and he is well aware of the weight issue. He let me knows months ago that he was doing his best to bring it on board, but that it would take some time. Hope that helps.
You sold me on the pot and lids but lost me on the non stick. Like you I use metal sporks and such. Wouldn't want to pay the cost and then ruin it right out of the gate.
7:59 👍
'free shipping to Canada' ?! Don't see that every day. thanks Ben.
word!
“I have reviewed jabillion of knives and tools” - living survival, *uses knee* to break wood. 😂 good insightful review :)
Thumbs up at first. Then removed thumbs up after seeing metal spoon scratching non-stick pan. Then thumbs down for using dirt as a way to clean cookware. This video was an emotion roller coaster.
Metal spork scaping on a non stick surface.....can't be good.
Why?
I used sand from the creek bank to clean my pan
I don’t like non stick for chemicals
salt is a terrific abrasive
Has anyone double dog dared you to try crepes? :D
great fry pan for sure steak and eggs ya buddy
ya buddy.
Use some butter Man U burnt them
It won’t stay none stick if you keep scratching it bro
I've since switched away from their non-stick to their standard titanium pan.
The titanium point is not weight. If you put same size aluminum and titanium pot on scale, no reasonable difference between them. Only advance is hardness and durability. More weight loss can get under own skin.
I have the boy-scout aluminum mess kit, LOL... I'm sure that is way better!
just lighter.
Living Survival I'm wondering how do I act if I meet a stranger in the woods?
Wndows .45 channel fight to the death
scratching that nonstick was like nails on a chalkboard
The mesh is to dry moisture
Water and dawn dish soap works great for cleaning the pan.
First thing, love your work. BUT, using metal and harsh grit on a non-stick pan will very quickly ruin the coating. That said, when is comes off, it gets in your food. Care to research the health benefits of that... And obviously, when you scrape the surface up, it's no longer "non-stick". So waste of money and potentially a health risk as well. Just an observation brother.
Why get a nonstick surface if your gonna wear it off right away??? If you don't want a nonstick surface, save yourself the trouble and buy nonstick coated cookware. Not sure I understand your logic on this one...