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If what we deem "propaganda" is unclear (top down, bottom up, left, right), and we don't know who to trust, then the measure of the more righteous position can only be its willingness to subject itself to debate in the Public Square. Banning viewpoints as "misinfo" is not a good sign, not at all, and only an untrustworthy zealot would say otherwise.
I really like your words: "...know(ing) who to trust, then the measure of the more righteous position can only be its willingness to subject itself to debate in the Public Square." ~ This is exactly what we need!! ~ Unfortunately, the various agents of the government, such as bureaucratic "experts" or politicians NEVER debate "others" in the public square, which means it is very difficult to determine truth. Alas, we don't trust them and consider everything as propaganda. Their resistance to debate creates mistrust.
@@cblahout 100% its their unwillingness to engage other viewpoints that sows major distrust, and makes distrust of them the wiser position politically. Even if you agree with them on something like covid policy, the very fact that they try to ban opposing viewpoints should make anyone second guess their position. Galileo was under house arrest until he died, for being a dissenting viewpoint that was correct.
I think both lived experience and anecdotal evidence are both relevant aspects of a larger dialectical process of truth-finding, sense-making and decsion-making. "Science" and "evidence" are part of this process, but not all of it. Dogmatism and smugness adversely infects this process. This is what leads to "scientism", and many or most "rationalists" and athesits, who try to shut down discussion with talismanic words like "evidence-based", "the science", etc. aren't to be trusted. I'm a religio-philosophical existentialist, and I resist smug, control-freak technocracy.
That's true if you don't meet any intersectional criteria. The personal perspective of a woke parishioner *is* empirical reality. The enlightenment was a total failure. Did the prophets forget to tell you?
Subjective truth is still truth, even if it has little or no bearing on objective truth. I would even go so far as to say that subjective truth is equally a part of empirical reality, in the sense that it describes the true, inner reality of an individual. I'll give an example: My brother-in-law made an illegal u-turn in front of a cop once and was immediately pulled over. He was livid about this, and claimed the cop only pulled him over cause he was black. Now, let's assume he was wrong about this, that the cop only pulled him over because he broke the law, and ask this question: did he experience racism? I would argue that yes, he absolutely experienced racism, whether the cop pulled him over for being black or not. This is because he believed, in his subjective mind, that he had truly experienced a racist act, and thus suffered appropriately. I personally believe he was the source of the racism he experienced, but it doesn't really matter who it originated from, the fact is he experienced it either way. True, it's probably all in his mind, but that doesn't negate that it happened, and this is demonstrated in the observable fact that the effect on him was the same as if the cop had truly been out to get him due to his skin color. So regardless of the true source of the racism, the consequences are identical, a fact that informs and even sets (so to speak) objective, empirical reality in a vast myriad of ways, as our subjective beliefs are what inform our concrete actions
Wikipedia is now almost useless for social, personal or cultural entries of any contemporary relevance. A recent interview with Larry Sanger (co founder) with Freddie Sayers on Unherd is essential if you want to know what's happening on Wikipedia.
Well Wikipedia does have a pretty good internal rating system, which you can view on any article’s talk page. Articles that are featured or good have to pass review so they’re fairly trustworthy
@@bushmg1061 I can only suggest you watch the Sanger interview on Unherd. The check and balance mechanisms on wiki themselves are being manipulated according to Larry and that lines up with my experience. Still a great site if you want to understand stuff like the Krebs cycle or the meaning of due diligence.
The pandemic shows you who really cares about the disadvantaged kids, and who's been using them only as pawns and would sacrifice them as soon as it's politically convenient.
Before Wikipedia, teachers were telling students not to site encyclopedias as primary sources. Neither one is a primary source, so they shouldn't be cited in most academic papers.
If people in the media cannot decide whether they are in the business of reporting news or manufacturing propaganda, it is all the more important that the public understand that difference, and choose their news sources accordingly. -Thomas Sowell
You guys are good with copying and pasting quotes -- it's just the follow-through you have trouble with. Following facts that go in the direction you desire -- doesn't count. Anybody can do that. What you do with information that requires you to question your own -- that determines whether or not you're the genuine article. Thomas Sowell -- is not. That's an assertion -- and this is a case built on arguments involving irrefutable facts. On the biggest and most costly lie in modern history, he didn't go anywhere near them -- opting to peddle partisan hackery instead. And there's no two way ways about it. If you're like all the rest of his disciples -- you'll instantly abandon those precious principles you promote, as you fire off excuses and "no big deal" to blow it off (never mind that you have no idea what "the deal" is). The man you're quoting about propaganda -- has a history of peddling propaganda. Just a little matter of war in the Middle East in the aftermath of 9/11 -- "No big deal": onevoicebecametwo.life/2021/12/07/behold-the-legacy-of-your-beloved-sowell-part-i/ . . .
@@mounteverestoftheobvious1182 Yeah, for some reason these conservative stooges feel that every assertion or opinion uttered by Thomas Sowell is some sort of a FACT. Sowell is just an opinion writer who likes to make up disagreeable statistical juxtapositions that are ungenerous towards libs and Blacks.
@@thomasreaves588 I've dealt with these type of people for decades -- but I've never seen anything like the blind loyalty to Thomas Sowell -- even by people I held in high regard. To be sure, part of that is a reflection of the times -- where worshipping people has gone totally off the rails. But as I mention below -- normally such loyalty is within the domain of what someone is mainly known for. But with Sowell -- I'm talking his deception on Iraq WMD -- and his people fire back citing his books on economics, race, and whatnot. That's bizarre -- well beyond "normal" blind loyalty. And it's just not on WMDs -- he has a history of partisan hackery in calling out the Left while brazenly ignoring the debauchery on the Right. This guy sold out to sell some books -- to live a life of people kissing his ass. It's despicable. As I wrote in my 5-part series on him: **************** Ah, the good ol’ days of the garden-variety Bush apologist - when at least their contempt for the truth was in the theatre of war. "Bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant." - Blurb to On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt Sowell’s disciples are a whole other breed of bullshitters who butcher reality - while incessantly bitching about others doing the same. onevoicebecametwo.life/2021/12/07/behold-the-legacy-of-your-beloved-sowell-part-i/ ****************
Problem with missed early grades, especially, is that you are missing part of a window where kids learn really easily - they’re little sponges at that age. That’s going to be really difficult to overcome in the future…
Wow, do I feel privileged. Way back in the '70's, I took pre-algebra in 6th grade and algebra in 7th grade, and she fought to bring back algebra in 8th grade? I guess I got lucky by not living in CA.
That's a funny thumbnail. 2 + 2 = white privilege. The sad thing is if someone was tweet that they would get a thousand likes and rest their case. That's one of the reasons I am not on toxic twitter. It's about 1-liners. Twitter is not about facts or nuance.
If you didn’t want all the fallout from having nuked Parlour, you shouldn’t have nuked Parlour. They didn’t deserve that at all. I love watching the blowback against the self important Big Tech hall monitors.
At 30:01 Coleman talks about teachers saying you shouldnt use wiki and at the beginning of wiki THAT WAS CORRECT. Wiki had to transform to find a way to keep edits more honest
Here's the problem with Wikipedia and I have personal witnessed this on multiple topics. If the person that moderates that information disagrees with some information....no matter how relevant or well sourced they will not allow it on the page and if someone adds it they remove it. It is a source and that is as good as Wikipedia is. Anything on it should be checked and you should absolutely search for other sources of information. Given those requirements if you want to use Wikipedia......your call.
I will watch Coleman talk to someone like this who discusses how information optimized for virality and how social media tricks one into jumping into the fray, but yet I still see Coleman falling for this exact manipulation on some of his commentary and posting on these exact topics. I would think he would know not to get "sucked in" so easily knowing full well that these topics are there to trigger him and have a rush to judgement in terms of his position on them.
Never confuse misinformation with incompetence. With our government, most of the time, it's the latter. Even when they lie, which is most of the time, they forget the cardinal rule of the liar: don't forget the last lie you told. As with all university-based endeavors, there is a strong driving force to over-analyze any problem. It's how new university departments are built. Here is an intellectually more efficient approach. Step one: assume incompetence. Step two: try falsifying the first assumption. Step two is usually over quickly.
So: never assume they are lying, even though they lie "most of the time," they lie incompetently- so incompetence is the actual problem? You are really missing the point there bud.
@@wms1983wms Always assume incompetence first. It’s a pretty reliable approach when dealing with bureaucracies in general, public or private. Often what seems like nefarious intent is just incompetence.
@@TheColdrush22 Rogan has been on the hotseat for referring to nightclubs full of Black people as "Planet of the Apes" and for using the N-word multiple times. If Coleman, with his servile nature towards white on Black racism, goes on the JRE Show now, he will come off a complete bootlick. He should stay away.
The biggest plus of the whole pandemic is that it has opened parents' eye to what is going on in some school districts. I believe that centres of excellence should be established for gifted children. These kids will be the future innovators and engineers which used to be what made your country great. Mashing everyone together is basically aiming for the lowest common denominator. China is not doing this and that is why they are gaining.
Schools exist to develop children and their abilities, not to sort them by some arbitrary measure of quality. All children need the best education possible. Your idea is abhorrent.
I don't know what China is doing, but if the idea is expensive good schools for some and free trash schools for the rest, that is abhorrent. If the idea is good public schools for everyone and elite public education for anyone who qualifies with grades then we're on the right track.
Watched your Joe Rogan podcast -- love your thoughts - disagree with how your categorized conservative view on immigration ... Conservatives I know tend more to legal immigrants do add to society however we should evaluate the added value and the cost. New subscriber and look forward to catching up on your library of podcasts
Yeah in comparison to basically everywhere else in the world Americans of basically every kind are quite open to immigrants. The standards have been so warped by politicians rhetoric that believing there needs to be a legal process for immigration is viewed as racist or anti immigrant. It's funny how the very same people who like to point to places like Europe and compare our politics don't seem to realize that their often cited, favorite countries with huge safety nets have clear and strict immigration policies.
Here's a recent speech by the Swedish head of the Social Democratic party directed at the countries approximately 2 million refugees and migrants. "“If you are young,” she said, “you must obtain a high school diploma and go on to get a job or higher education.” If you receive financial aid from the state, “you must learn Swedish and work a certain number of hours a week.” What’s more, “here in Sweden, both men and women work and contribute to welfare.” Swedish gender equality applies “no matter what fathers, mothers, spouses, or brothers think and feel.” When you talk about expecting immigrants in the US to try and learn English you're looked at like you're a cruel racist.
Love you Coleman, but this analysis of c19 vax criticism is too myopic. Most skeptics I've listened to generally trust vaccines, but don't like that the novel mRNA vax was so rushed and that all vaxes were forced on people that don't need it, rather than targeting the most vulnerable. Also, the marketing that it had no side effects, when all medical interventions potentially do, eroded trust. The CDC recently changed their guidance on booster timing due to myocarditis risk, which was mocked as irrational antivax hysteria just months ago.
The chronic rhetorical affirmation of "right?" is really annoying. I don't understand why this has become such common parlance among the recently educated.
I Followed doctors... Who were following... the protocals .. but now are skeptical... digged up many weird anti medical knowledge !! Dr Drew himself got a adverse reaction.
Contact the high wire.. He has do uments and inside conversations of institutes were the talk to themself about safety! What they outside is different then inside !!
Throughout history centralized authorities have controlled the feed of news/facts- plenty of examples since the invention of the printing press, whether the authority was a government or a religious state, communist or fascist or something in between. Pravda did it and so did Radio Free Europe. Now we have the internet, a fundamentally decentralized system, and somehow we expect better results having some other central authority determine what I can see and can't see. I can separate the wheat from the chaff at least as well as some self-ordained "expert." So can, and so should you. Most of us stopped consuming news from traditional network sources as soon as the internet took hold. Personally, I seek out curious hosts like Coleman Hughes and yes, even Joe Rogan. Thank you for asking the questions that matter and letting excellent opinions like Renee DiResta air it out.
47:30 Are we really buying this? Nah, i'm jk. Probly takes hard work to realize that you're better off not being corrupted by the number and practice fighting that temptation. Gj getting over that hump. I wonder how hard it was.
Hopefully you wonderful experts can someday examine the brief but incredibly significant works from one of the whistleblowers on the inner workings of KGB propaganda that is so devastating to America, I question that half of your modern talking points, fields of study, vantage point etc would even be remotely the same or exist without. That whistleblower’s Name was Yuri Bezmenov. Aka “Tomas Schuman”. I enjoyed this video but to downplay the significance of Russian, Chinese, and the related internal Marxist/socialist propaganda makes me wonder if you can even see it. (I think you can somewhat however.) but anyways, have a good day.
Propagate isn't propaganda. The definition of propaganda is, "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view." Even in your example it was powerful religious rulers promoting made up stories and then requiring faith to believe them.
Such information has value, but only when it is tested with more objective empirical methods, and should not be a shortcut by those who insist on being right. Nobody talks about the lived experience of child molesters.
She sounds like a saleswoman , describing the details of a machine, but glossed over actual consequences.. and wasn't she a ' concerned mother ' back then without any qualification???
Don't broaden the definition of propaganda so much that it's meaningless... If it's top-down and bottom-up, true and false... Do we even need the word?
@@thomasreaves588 not a lie. Want data or is that racist? SF has one of the biggest black achievement gaps in US. But it's been woke for decades. 70% of whites proficient in math, 12% of blacks. Good news is that you - caring about black achievement - will reject CRT when you see results
True! My friend’s daughter is a woke MD in the state of maryland and moved to a better school district for her kids. That’s a huge problem, a not in my backyard kinda thing.
@@muskepticsometimes9133 San Francisco is a horrible example because only 3 percent of its residents are Black. We're a majority-minority city, and the largest ethnic group is Asian-Americans. Tiny minorities, especially if they are poor, will almost always fare worse than larger groups. You need to pick places with a larger Black population to really determine whether what you're saying is true.
@@John-tr5hn performance not correlated with size. Asians w few ,% fo fine you are making excuses. True for other cities too. I will send stats for other cities. If you are really open minded Google 'quillette French teacher". Teacher taght at 2 schools - one highly funded by Gates foundation - that basically gave up teaching.
12:55 No, it would be better for the CDC to cease to exist. 39:30 And by what measure do you think a government-backed institution should be more deserving of the public's trust? 48:30 Everybody makes mistakes. What's important, and what's driving traffic to podcasts like this one, is the confidence of knowing there's a real struggle for getting it right, for making as few mistakes as possible. That's why Joe Rogan keeps growing and CNN keeps shrinking.
Rush Limbaugh kept growing too, but that didn't make him any more accurate, just more popular. Junk food is more popular than food that is good for you. It has been available for years, but kids are fatter now than they were 40 years ago. Why is that? Because companies are producing what people want? Sort of, but also because society used to care about health, and it no longer does.
@@John-tr5hn Rush Limbaugh was way more accurate than CNN; not mentioning he was definitively more entertaining, and had the brilliancy to have the great Walter Williams as guest host. Junk food is "popular" only to the extent that is cheaper and readily available. And is cheaper mainly because government subsidizes a big part of it. "Society" is an abstraction: individuals have preferences and priorities, and act responding to incentives. Behind every unhealthy self-destructive behavior of large groups of individuals I can show you a perverse incentive created by government. So no, I don't accept your rebuttal.
Her idea of companies that are "really doing it right" in terms of hands off censorship are Reddit and Twitter? lol, sure, Jan. Honestly starting to lose me with the boomerlike corporate media credulity of some of these guests, Coleman.
Please stop saying “lived experience”. It means the same thing as “my experience”. You can’t have dead experience. Also, her point about white folks with money pushing kids to achieve, is fallacious. All parents with money, regardless of race are likely to know the value of education and push their kids to achieve.
Please know there is a difference between anti-vaxxers and safe vaxxers. I have had all of the traditional vaccines, but I have many concerns with the flu and covid vaccine.
What research are your concerns about the Covid vaccines based on? I've had both doses of the Pfizer + the booster, with no side affects. Since 2020, I've worked in a school & a care home where there were outbreaks, but I was not infected. All the people I know of who've died of Covid were unvaccinated. If a vaccinated person is infected, their body breaks down the virus which makes them less infectious to others. Please, get yourself vaccninated!
Yeah, there is a big difference between anti vaxxers to the traditional vaccines and people who are vaccine hesitant when it comes to the covid vaccine. As far as any hesitancy, we don’t have any data on the long term safety of this vaccine. As far as data that we do have, we know there is a very small risk of myocarditis. We need to have a more nuanced discussion, and using the term anti vaxxers to describe vaccine hesitant people is not helpful
@@amf235dance I found it disappointing they used the term “antivaxxers”. It’s like in talking about propaganda, they’ve fallen for it too. I’m pro vaccines, and I’ve always waited for vaccines to go through the trial phases before consenting to taking them. I’m sorry if I sound reasonable.
Me, too! I did get Covid vaccine, am hesitating now on booster bc I was lied to about J&J. I’m 70 yrs old and don’t get the flu vaccines, or shingles vax or the pneumonia one, because why? It’s like when you get a certain age, you’re supposed to buy into the “old and feeble” nonsense.
Pity they didn't get ...i jokenot. round to talking about 'anti'racist' maths' one of whose principles is that there is no right or wrong answer to maths prpblems, and that the answer to two plus two is not necessarily four...and I joke not. In Oregan, minoritiy students now graduate in maths without being required to be able add, subtract, divide and multiply.
You should have this same conversation about Wikipedia's authenticity with Tim pool. He has a very different take, as his Wikipedia page is actually false in many regards. No recourse.
There's definitely no way there's a "man behind the curtain" on the side of the government/big pharma/big tech (because there are no disconcerting relationships between these three), but there's definitely a shadowy dark figure behind the curtain of the "anti-vaxx" movement trying to prey on new moms. Unfortunately, I detected this woman's bias right away and it just continued through the whole episode.
I'm not sure about this Renee DiResta? She did not convince me that she actually seeks the neutral "truth". I was hoping to conclude one way or the other by the end of the conversation but I am just not convinced about her credibility.
If you are truly interested in steel-manning the anti-vax movement, I can provide you with the information that makes it's rounds in those circles. I'm only saying this because I have not yet heard you or your guests engage with the actual arguments made by anti-vaxxers, which I must admit perplexes me greatly; it seems clear to me that your researching skills (and those of your astute guests) are not lacking in any way, so I'm at a loss to explain this discrepancy. In any case, should curiosity get the the best of you, I can pass these things along for your scrutiny, if not just for the pleasure of hearing your deconstruction of their true arguments! :D
@@sunnyla2835 It’s not that, it’s far more the case that there’s only so much benefit of engaging in detail with people for whom there’s almost literally no chance of them ever accepting any refutation of their arguments and have reached the positions they have by wholly motivated reasoning. It’s well established that it’s extremely rare to be able reason an anti vaxxer out of their position, so you’re asking people to spend considerable time going through in detail the arguments of people who you know aren’t engaging you in good faith. I realise some people want to present vaccine ‘scepticism’ as merely rational people ‘asking questions’ but that’s not the reality we’re dealing with.
Omg, Coleman, eric topol has massive conflicts of interest, even though he and Sam Harris went to great lengths on Sam’s podcast to assure us he does not. Please re-examine your unquestioning reverence for Sam.
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This woman literally ran an election disinfo program called New Knowledge 🤡
How can I find out about that. Isn't she a CIA disinfo agent?
Yes, she's an info-goon.
@@hakimhatif4621 Good starting place ua-cam.com/video/GEJ9W4N9-8M/v-deo.html
If what we deem "propaganda" is unclear (top down, bottom up, left, right), and we don't know who to trust, then the measure of the more righteous position can only be its willingness to subject itself to debate in the Public Square. Banning viewpoints as "misinfo" is not a good sign, not at all, and only an untrustworthy zealot would say otherwise.
I really like your words: "...know(ing) who to trust, then the measure of the more righteous position can only be its willingness to subject itself to debate in the Public Square." ~ This is exactly what we need!! ~
Unfortunately, the various agents of the government, such as bureaucratic "experts" or politicians NEVER debate "others" in the public square, which means it is very difficult to determine truth. Alas, we don't trust them and consider everything as propaganda. Their resistance to debate creates mistrust.
@@cblahout 100% its their unwillingness to engage other viewpoints that sows major distrust, and makes distrust of them the wiser position politically. Even if you agree with them on something like covid policy, the very fact that they try to ban opposing viewpoints should make anyone second guess their position. Galileo was under house arrest until he died, for being a dissenting viewpoint that was correct.
"Lived Experience" is just a modern euphemism for "anecdotal evidence."
As opposed to unlived experience.
I think both lived experience and anecdotal evidence are both relevant aspects of a larger dialectical process of truth-finding, sense-making and decsion-making. "Science" and "evidence" are part of this process, but not all of it. Dogmatism and smugness adversely infects this process. This is what leads to "scientism", and many or most "rationalists" and athesits, who try to shut down discussion with talismanic words like "evidence-based", "the science", etc. aren't to be trusted. I'm a religio-philosophical existentialist, and I resist smug, control-freak technocracy.
That's true if you don't meet any intersectional criteria. The personal perspective of a woke parishioner *is* empirical reality. The enlightenment was a total failure. Did the prophets forget to tell you?
Subjective truth is still truth, even if it has little or no bearing on objective truth. I would even go so far as to say that subjective truth is equally a part of empirical reality, in the sense that it describes the true, inner reality of an individual. I'll give an example:
My brother-in-law made an illegal u-turn in front of a cop once and was immediately pulled over. He was livid about this, and claimed the cop only pulled him over cause he was black. Now, let's assume he was wrong about this, that the cop only pulled him over because he broke the law, and ask this question: did he experience racism?
I would argue that yes, he absolutely experienced racism, whether the cop pulled him over for being black or not. This is because he believed, in his subjective mind, that he had truly experienced a racist act, and thus suffered appropriately.
I personally believe he was the source of the racism he experienced, but it doesn't really matter who it originated from, the fact is he experienced it either way. True, it's probably all in his mind, but that doesn't negate that it happened, and this is demonstrated in the observable fact that the effect on him was the same as if the cop had truly been out to get him due to his skin color.
So regardless of the true source of the racism, the consequences are identical, a fact that informs and even sets (so to speak) objective, empirical reality in a vast myriad of ways, as our subjective beliefs are what inform our concrete actions
Yeah but it's so de rigueur in Wokestan these days.
Wikipedia is now almost useless for social, personal or cultural entries of any contemporary relevance. A recent interview with Larry Sanger (co founder) with Freddie Sayers on Unherd is essential if you want to know what's happening on Wikipedia.
Well Wikipedia does have a pretty good internal rating system, which you can view on any article’s talk page. Articles that are featured or good have to pass review so they’re fairly trustworthy
@@bushmg1061 peer review so that only the ones favoured pass through. Peer reviewed censorship.
@@bushmg1061 I can only suggest you watch the Sanger interview on Unherd. The check and balance mechanisms on wiki themselves are being manipulated according to Larry and that lines up with my experience. Still a great site if you want to understand stuff like the Krebs cycle or the meaning of due diligence.
@@adrianarchie If an article fails a good or featured review it’s not deleted, so no.
Loved this convo but so happy you finally got on with Rogan. Was one of the best podcasts I've seen from him in awhile and you deserve the recognition
The pandemic shows you who really cares about the disadvantaged kids, and who's been using them only as pawns and would sacrifice them as soon as it's politically convenient.
Before Wikipedia, teachers were telling students not to site encyclopedias as primary sources. Neither one is a primary source, so they shouldn't be cited in most academic papers.
Thank you very much for providing such a high quality conversation!
The funny part is the so called antivaxxers were right all along
If people in the media cannot decide whether they are in the business of reporting news or manufacturing propaganda, it is all the more important that the public understand that difference, and choose their news sources accordingly.
-Thomas Sowell
You guys are good with copying and pasting quotes -- it's just the follow-through you have trouble with. Following facts that go in the direction you desire -- doesn't count. Anybody can do that. What you do with information that requires you to question your own -- that determines whether or not you're the genuine article. Thomas Sowell -- is not. That's an assertion -- and this is a case built on arguments involving irrefutable facts. On the biggest and most costly lie in modern history, he didn't go anywhere near them -- opting to peddle partisan hackery instead. And there's no two way ways about it. If you're like all the rest of his disciples -- you'll instantly abandon those precious principles you promote, as you fire off excuses and "no big deal" to blow it off (never mind that you have no idea what "the deal" is). The man you're quoting about propaganda -- has a history of peddling propaganda. Just a little matter of war in the Middle East in the aftermath of 9/11 -- "No big deal": onevoicebecametwo.life/2021/12/07/behold-the-legacy-of-your-beloved-sowell-part-i/
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@@mounteverestoftheobvious1182 Yeah, for some reason these conservative stooges feel that every assertion or opinion uttered by Thomas Sowell is some sort of a FACT. Sowell is just an opinion writer who likes to make up disagreeable statistical juxtapositions that are ungenerous towards libs and Blacks.
@@thomasreaves588 I've dealt with these type of people for decades -- but I've never seen anything like the blind loyalty to Thomas Sowell -- even by people I held in high regard. To be sure, part of that is a reflection of the times -- where worshipping people has gone totally off the rails.
But as I mention below -- normally such loyalty is within the domain of what someone is mainly known for. But with Sowell -- I'm talking his deception on Iraq WMD -- and his people fire back citing his books on economics, race, and whatnot.
That's bizarre -- well beyond "normal" blind loyalty.
And it's just not on WMDs -- he has a history of partisan hackery in calling out the Left while brazenly ignoring the debauchery on the Right.
This guy sold out to sell some books -- to live a life of people kissing his ass. It's despicable.
As I wrote in my 5-part series on him:
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Ah, the good ol’ days of the garden-variety Bush apologist - when at least their contempt for the truth was in the theatre of war.
"Bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant." - Blurb to On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt
Sowell’s disciples are a whole other breed of bullshitters who butcher reality - while incessantly bitching about others doing the same.
onevoicebecametwo.life/2021/12/07/behold-the-legacy-of-your-beloved-sowell-part-i/
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@@thomasreaves588 P.S. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@mounteverestoftheobvious1182 So true...I am watching that clip right now
This whole episode was embarrassing in light of the last twitter files
Exactly.
Problem with missed early grades, especially, is that you are missing part of a window where kids learn really easily - they’re little sponges at that age. That’s going to be really difficult to overcome in the future…
Spot on! As the song says, "To everything there is a time"
Hey Nae nae.Turns out It WAS a top down manipulation by the government
Episode on JRE brought me here - Dope thoughts, glad I found.
Great video thank you
Just saw you on Rogan, loved the entire conversation. What up my Jersey brother? Gained a sub
Wow, do I feel privileged. Way back in the '70's, I took pre-algebra in 6th grade and algebra in 7th grade, and she fought to bring back algebra in 8th grade? I guess I got lucky by not living in CA.
That's a funny thumbnail. 2 + 2 = white privilege. The sad thing is if someone was tweet that they would get a thousand likes and rest their case. That's one of the reasons I am not on toxic twitter. It's about 1-liners. Twitter is not about facts or nuance.
If you didn’t want all the fallout from having nuked Parlour, you shouldn’t have nuked Parlour. They didn’t deserve that at all. I love watching the blowback against the self important Big Tech hall monitors.
-1vent been here in a while but this is the first time Ive found myself thinkin "dxmn Coleman, just ask a question...quit yappin"
At 30:01 Coleman talks about teachers saying you shouldnt use wiki and at the beginning of wiki THAT WAS CORRECT. Wiki had to transform to find a way to keep edits more honest
You should read the article needle points from tablet, great piece on vaccine hesitancy
Would like to hear your thoughts on what Jimmy Whales was trying to do with his idea for a trustworthy news platform.
Isn't she with the CIA?
Yes. She is suppose to spread misinformation
Here's the problem with Wikipedia and I have personal witnessed this on multiple topics. If the person that moderates that information disagrees with some information....no matter how relevant or well sourced they will not allow it on the page and if someone adds it they remove it.
It is a source and that is as good as Wikipedia is. Anything on it should be checked and you should absolutely search for other sources of information. Given those requirements if you want to use Wikipedia......your call.
Beautiful
I will watch Coleman talk to someone like this who discusses how information optimized for virality and how social media tricks one into jumping into the fray, but yet I still see Coleman falling for this exact manipulation on some of his commentary and posting on these exact topics. I would think he would know not to get "sucked in" so easily knowing full well that these topics are there to trigger him and have a rush to judgement in terms of his position on them.
Wow, long sentences.
Just say what you are trying to say lad, and then read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language"
Did you learn how to write from Buckminster Fuller? Pro tip: People will engage with you more if you make yourself clearer.
Never confuse misinformation with incompetence. With our government, most of the time, it's the latter. Even when they lie, which is most of the time, they forget the cardinal rule of the liar: don't forget the last lie you told. As with all university-based endeavors, there is a strong driving force to over-analyze any problem. It's how new university departments are built. Here is an intellectually more efficient approach. Step one: assume incompetence. Step two: try falsifying the first assumption. Step two is usually over quickly.
So: never assume they are lying, even though they lie "most of the time," they lie incompetently- so incompetence is the actual problem?
You are really missing the point there bud.
@@wms1983wms Always assume incompetence first. It’s a pretty reliable approach when dealing with bureaucracies in general, public or private. Often what seems like nefarious intent is just incompetence.
I have never heard the theme song or this podcast at regular speed. It’s really really weird. I listen to everything on at least 1.5 x.
That was so good!
Coleman - can’t wait for you to have a bigger audience. Not enough people are hip to what you’re doing.
People - support his Patreon.
Good luck with that. He isn't bombastic enough, and he will never get the Al Sharpton or Sean Hannity audience
He’s on Rogan next week. It’s going to happen.
@@TheColdrush22 Rogan has been on the hotseat for referring to nightclubs full of Black people as "Planet of the Apes" and for using the N-word multiple times. If Coleman, with his servile nature towards white on Black racism, goes on the JRE Show now, he will come off a complete bootlick. He should stay away.
@@thomasreaves588 you good?
@@RiseReligion Yes, I'm good!
The thumbnail is genius haha. 3*3= the patriarchy
I had both Chicken Pox and Measles - both non issues thanks to good nutrition.
The biggest plus of the whole pandemic is that it has opened parents' eye to what is going on in some school districts. I believe that centres of excellence should be established for gifted children. These kids will be the future innovators and engineers which used to be what made your country great. Mashing everyone together is basically aiming for the lowest common denominator. China is not doing this and that is why they are gaining.
Schools exist to develop children and their abilities, not to sort them by some arbitrary measure of quality. All children need the best education possible. Your idea is abhorrent.
@@starczarar no it isn't . High grade schools are needed for bright students . You are right though all schools need to be good .
@@starczarar No it isn't. You want everyone forced to be the same. THAT is abhorrent.
I don't know what China is doing, but if the idea is expensive good schools for some and free trash schools for the rest, that is abhorrent. If the idea is good public schools for everyone and elite public education for anyone who qualifies with grades then we're on the right track.
Watched your Joe Rogan podcast -- love your thoughts - disagree with how your categorized conservative view on immigration ... Conservatives I know tend more to legal immigrants do add to society however we should evaluate the added value and the cost. New subscriber and look forward to catching up on your library of podcasts
You are in for a treat! We may not always agree with everything he says, but this is a human of deep truth and bravery.
Yeah in comparison to basically everywhere else in the world Americans of basically every kind are quite open to immigrants. The standards have been so warped by politicians rhetoric that believing there needs to be a legal process for immigration is viewed as racist or anti immigrant. It's funny how the very same people who like to point to places like Europe and compare our politics don't seem to realize that their often cited, favorite countries with huge safety nets have clear and strict immigration policies.
Here's a recent speech by the Swedish head of the Social Democratic party directed at the countries approximately 2 million refugees and migrants.
"“If you are young,” she said, “you must obtain a high school diploma and go on to get a job or higher education.” If you receive financial aid from the state, “you must learn Swedish and work a certain number of hours a week.” What’s more, “here in Sweden, both men and women work and contribute to welfare.” Swedish gender equality applies “no matter what fathers, mothers, spouses, or brothers think and feel.”
When you talk about expecting immigrants in the US to try and learn English you're looked at like you're a cruel racist.
Love you Coleman, but this analysis of c19 vax criticism is too myopic. Most skeptics I've listened to generally trust vaccines, but don't like that the novel mRNA vax was so rushed and that all vaxes were forced on people that don't need it, rather than targeting the most vulnerable. Also, the marketing that it had no side effects, when all medical interventions potentially do, eroded trust. The CDC recently changed their guidance on booster timing due to myocarditis risk, which was mocked as irrational antivax hysteria just months ago.
The chronic rhetorical affirmation of "right?" is really annoying. I don't understand why this has become such common parlance among the recently educated.
I Followed doctors...
Who were following... the protocals .. but now are skeptical... digged up many weird anti medical knowledge !!
Dr Drew himself got a adverse reaction.
First here! What a honor 😃
fIRST!
Contact the high wire..
He has do uments and inside conversations of institutes were the talk to themself about safety!
What they outside is different then inside !!
Throughout history centralized authorities have controlled the feed of news/facts- plenty of examples since the invention of the printing press, whether the authority was a government or a religious state, communist or fascist or something in between. Pravda did it and so did Radio Free Europe. Now we have the internet, a fundamentally decentralized system, and somehow we expect better results having some other central authority determine what I can see and can't see. I can separate the wheat from the chaff at least as well as some self-ordained "expert." So can, and so should you. Most of us stopped consuming news from traditional network sources as soon as the internet took hold. Personally, I seek out curious hosts like Coleman Hughes and yes, even Joe Rogan. Thank you for asking the questions that matter and letting excellent opinions like Renee DiResta air it out.
47:30 Are we really buying this? Nah, i'm jk. Probly takes hard work to realize that you're better off not being corrupted by the number and practice fighting that temptation. Gj getting over that hump. I wonder how hard it was.
Hopefully you wonderful experts can someday examine the brief but incredibly significant works from one of the whistleblowers on the inner workings of KGB propaganda that is so devastating to America, I question that half of your modern talking points, fields of study, vantage point etc would even be remotely the same or exist without. That whistleblower’s Name was Yuri Bezmenov. Aka “Tomas Schuman”.
I enjoyed this video but to downplay the significance of Russian, Chinese, and the related internal Marxist/socialist propaganda makes me wonder if you can even see it. (I think you can somewhat however.) but anyways, have a good day.
Propagate isn't propaganda. The definition of propaganda is, "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view." Even in your example it was powerful religious rulers promoting made up stories and then requiring faith to believe them.
The Censorship Queen! (aka Worm-tongue)
Such information has value, but only when it is tested with more objective empirical methods, and should not be a shortcut by those who insist on being right. Nobody talks about the lived experience of child molesters.
And, my guess is you’ve chosen to follow Dr Topol on Substack primarily bc of Sam Harris’ influence.
She sounds like a saleswoman , describing the details of a machine, but glossed over actual consequences.. and wasn't she a ' concerned mother ' back then without any qualification???
Don't broaden the definition of propaganda so much that it's meaningless... If it's top-down and bottom-up, true and false... Do we even need the word?
What state did she move too ?
The stats say the more progressive a area the bigger the black white achievement gap. CRT does work - it hurts blacks.
Why do you feel the need to make up racist lies like that?
@@thomasreaves588 not a lie. Want data or is that racist?
SF has one of the biggest black achievement gaps in US. But it's been woke for decades. 70% of whites proficient in math, 12% of blacks.
Good news is that you - caring about black achievement - will reject CRT when you see results
True! My friend’s daughter is a woke MD in the state of maryland and moved to a better school district for her kids. That’s a huge problem, a not in my backyard kinda thing.
@@muskepticsometimes9133 San Francisco is a horrible example because only 3 percent of its residents are Black. We're a majority-minority city, and the largest ethnic group is Asian-Americans. Tiny minorities, especially if they are poor, will almost always fare worse than larger groups. You need to pick places with a larger Black population to really determine whether what you're saying is true.
@@John-tr5hn performance not correlated with size. Asians w few ,% fo fine you are making excuses.
True for other cities too. I will send stats for other cities.
If you are really open minded Google 'quillette French teacher". Teacher taght at 2 schools - one highly funded by Gates foundation - that basically gave up teaching.
CIA agent
12:55 No, it would be better for the CDC to cease to exist.
39:30 And by what measure do you think a government-backed institution should be more deserving of the public's trust?
48:30 Everybody makes mistakes. What's important, and what's driving traffic to podcasts like this one, is the confidence of knowing there's a real struggle for getting it right, for making as few mistakes as possible. That's why Joe Rogan keeps growing and CNN keeps shrinking.
D , VERY TRUE
Rush Limbaugh kept growing too, but that didn't make him any more accurate, just more popular. Junk food is more popular than food that is good for you. It has been available for years, but kids are fatter now than they were 40 years ago. Why is that? Because companies are producing what people want? Sort of, but also because society used to care about health, and it no longer does.
@@John-tr5hn Rush Limbaugh was way more accurate than CNN; not mentioning he was definitively more entertaining, and had the brilliancy to have the great Walter Williams as guest host. Junk food is "popular" only to the extent that is cheaper and readily available. And is cheaper mainly because government subsidizes a big part of it. "Society" is an abstraction: individuals have preferences and priorities, and act responding to incentives. Behind every unhealthy self-destructive behavior of large groups of individuals I can show you a perverse incentive created by government. So no, I don't accept your rebuttal.
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Her idea of companies that are "really doing it right" in terms of hands off censorship are Reddit and Twitter? lol, sure, Jan. Honestly starting to lose me with the boomerlike corporate media credulity of some of these guests, Coleman.
Please stop saying “lived experience”. It means the same thing as “my experience”. You can’t have dead experience.
Also, her point about white folks with money pushing kids to achieve, is fallacious. All parents with money, regardless of race are likely to know the value of education and push their kids to achieve.
Please know there is a difference between anti-vaxxers and safe vaxxers. I have had all of the traditional vaccines, but I have many concerns with the flu and covid vaccine.
What research are your concerns about the Covid vaccines based on? I've had both doses of the Pfizer + the booster, with no side affects. Since 2020, I've worked in a school & a care home where there were outbreaks, but I was not infected. All the people I know of who've died of Covid were unvaccinated. If a vaccinated person is infected, their body breaks down the virus which makes them less infectious to others. Please, get yourself vaccninated!
Yeah, there is a big difference between anti vaxxers to the traditional vaccines and people who are vaccine hesitant when it comes to the covid vaccine. As far as any hesitancy, we don’t have any data on the long term safety of this vaccine. As far as data that we do have, we know there is a very small risk of myocarditis. We need to have a more nuanced discussion, and using the term anti vaxxers to describe vaccine hesitant people is not helpful
@@amf235dance Saying reasonable things like that about "anti-vaxxers" will get you banned fron UA-cam and Twitter.
@@amf235dance I found it disappointing they used the term “antivaxxers”. It’s like in talking about propaganda, they’ve fallen for it too. I’m pro vaccines, and I’ve always waited for vaccines to go through the trial phases before consenting to taking them. I’m sorry if I sound reasonable.
Me, too! I did get Covid vaccine, am hesitating now on booster bc I was lied to about J&J. I’m 70 yrs old and don’t get the flu vaccines, or shingles vax or the pneumonia one, because why? It’s like when you get a certain age, you’re supposed to buy into the “old and feeble” nonsense.
mumbo jumbo babel
Pity they didn't get ...i jokenot. round to talking about 'anti'racist' maths' one of whose principles is that there is no right or wrong answer to maths prpblems, and that the answer to two plus two is not necessarily four...and I joke not. In Oregan, minoritiy students now graduate in maths without being required to be able add, subtract, divide and multiply.
CIA-trained mouthpiece with a plethora of marketing buzz words?
about 5 mins in I knew that I would not learn anything important or useful from listening to this lady.
You should have this same conversation about Wikipedia's authenticity with Tim pool. He has a very different take, as his Wikipedia page is actually false in many regards. No recourse.
Honestly didn't get anything from this guest. What was this discussion about again?
She works at Stanford in some department.......
There's definitely no way there's a "man behind the curtain" on the side of the government/big pharma/big tech (because there are no disconcerting relationships between these three), but there's definitely a shadowy dark figure behind the curtain of the "anti-vaxx" movement trying to prey on new moms. Unfortunately, I detected this woman's bias right away and it just continued through the whole episode.
I'm not sure about this Renee DiResta? She did not convince me that she actually seeks the neutral "truth". I was hoping to conclude one way or the other by the end of the conversation but I am just not convinced about her credibility.
If you are truly interested in steel-manning the anti-vax movement, I can provide you with the information that makes it's rounds in those circles. I'm only saying this because I have not yet heard you or your guests engage with the actual arguments made by anti-vaxxers, which I must admit perplexes me greatly; it seems clear to me that your researching skills (and those of your astute guests) are not lacking in any way, so I'm at a loss to explain this discrepancy.
In any case, should curiosity get the the best of you, I can pass these things along for your scrutiny, if not just for the pleasure of hearing your deconstruction of their true arguments! :D
I think they don’t/won’t engage w them bc they equate antivaxxers with flat earthers, iow, not worthy of their time🤷🏻♀️
@@sunnyla2835 It’s not that, it’s far more the case that there’s only so much benefit of engaging in detail with people for whom there’s almost literally no chance of them ever accepting any refutation of their arguments and have reached the positions they have by wholly motivated reasoning.
It’s well established that it’s extremely rare to be able reason an anti vaxxer out of their position, so you’re asking people to spend considerable time going through in detail the arguments of people who you know aren’t engaging you in good faith.
I realise some people want to present vaccine ‘scepticism’ as merely rational people ‘asking questions’ but that’s not the reality we’re dealing with.
Can you steel-man the flat-Earth movement as well? Asking for a friend.
@@John-tr5hn Well, I guess till I’ve left home walked east and kept going to I got back home I’m just taking it on faith.
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Lol, I sort of can (kind of?) but I don't have nearly the amount of resources concerning FE as I do for anti-vaxxers
Omg, Coleman, eric topol has massive conflicts of interest, even though he and Sam Harris went to great lengths on Sam’s podcast to assure us he does not. Please re-examine your unquestioning reverence for Sam.
Quit ceding ground to leftist progressive language. Don't use the ridiculous term 'lived experience'. There is only experience, not dead experience