SpaceX Revealed Landing both Starship and Booster on Droneship After Flight 5 Catching!
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SpaceX Revealed Landing both Starship and Booster on Droneship After Flight 5 Catching!
SpaceX never stops breaking boundaries. Ten years ago, they stunned the world by vertically landing a Falcon 9 rocket on a sea platform, known as a droneship. Now, they're pushing the envelope again with their next-generation rocket, Starship.
Yes, SpaceX has ambitious plans to recover their massive Starship rocket in the middle of the ocean. But how exactly do they plan to achieve this? What potential benefits does this bring? And what challenges must they overcome to make this a reality?
Let's dive into these questions in today's episode of Great SpaceX.
SpaceX Revealed Landing both Starship and Booster on Droneship After Flight 5 Catching!
SpaceX has completed four integrated flights of Starship, demonstrating a stable ascent process and gradual improvements in navigating the harsh re-entry process. With this solid foundation, SpaceX is now targeting the next critical milestone: landing.
When it comes to landing, most people think of the Mechazilla Arm, the method SpaceX is primarily focused on and plans to implement in Flight 5. However, looking further into the future, SpaceX is considering multiple landing methods for Starship. One notable method is landing on a droneship, similar to the technique currently used for the Falcon 9.
This method has moved from concept to a concrete plan, now under consideration by the FAA. The proposal, included in the FAA's Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for Starship operations in Florida, outlines plans for “landing the Super Heavy booster downrange in the Atlantic Ocean on a droneship” and “landing Starship on a droneship.”
Starship will launch from Launch Complex 39A in Florida, marking the beginning of its ambitious journey. After the initial launch, the two stages will separate. The Super Heavy booster will land on a droneship in the Gulf of Mexico, a strategic maneuver that SpaceX has already executed successfully in previous missions. Meanwhile, Starship will continue its flight, aiming to complete its mission objectives before returning to Earth.
Upon return, Starship will land on a droneship in a designated ocean area. The FAA's Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for Starship Florida does not specify these locations in detail. However, another FAA document, the Draft Tiered Environmental Assessment for SpaceX Starship at Boca Chica Texas, outlines several potential landing sites.
SpaceX Revealed Landing both Starship and Booster on Droneship After Flight 5 Catching!
The first area is the Gulf of Mexico, a familiar site where the Super Heavy booster has landed in recent missions. Beyond that, the North Pacific Ocean is another option, with landing zones either between the Hawaiian Islands and the US mainland or west of Hawaii, near the central region of the Pacific Ocean. The South Pacific Ocean offers another potential site, located along the west coast of the South American continent. Finally, the Indian Ocean, where Starship landed on its last flight, provides a vast expanse stretching from the west of Australia to the east of Madagascar.
In all of these locations, SpaceX has two plans for Super Heavy and Starship: expending the stages or landing them on a droneship. We will focus on the second method, as expending stages is not aligned with SpaceX's long-term goals.
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To be resolved, thank you.
Soon we'll be sending the FAA to Mars to approve a landing site and do the environmental impact test. They'll probably use Boeing 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I bet they’re just like, “fuck it, wherever you choose is good!”
The US FAA does not have jurisdiction on Mars.
Awesome comment 😂😅
😂😂 yeah haha
Musk should establish his own MAA. Mars Aviation Association.
Best benefit of sea launch and recovery is less government meddling
The FAA has jurisdiction over any US launch operator, even if they are not launching in the US.
SpaceX is actually doing something that’s been talked about for decades; frequent launches. Making space flight a much easier and accessible.
A Bold leap Forward won't happen until the FAA gets the HeII out of the way
@ronaldknowles2271 yes F@$k the FAA
Gonna need to land on legs anyway, when Starship eventually lands on
Moon/Mars. Might as well get some practice.
PS; Why don't SpaceX try to land Star-Ship like the Futurama Ship?
Just add some retro boosters on the sides!
They need to PERFECT the landing of Starship to be HUMAN RATED.
Why? No other rocket lands (except falcon) and they are HUMAN RATED.
I love the idea of offshore landing and launches. Eliminate the need for FAA approval. With a large supply of both boosters and Starships having lots in reserve makes sense. Like the airlines.
It does not eliminate the need for FAA approval. Any US launch operator requires a license, even if operations are conducted outside of the US.
Your wrong. Space X requires an FAA license anywhere on Earth. US citizens are in solved, it's US Federal law.
The land based landings are preferred, It is definitely not the lack of drone ships. Are you just making stuff up?
Yep
Ya know, a nuclear recovery ship could produce all of the hydrogen and oxygen required for a H2-O2 rocket...
Anything nuclear takes decades to build and that's not fast enough for Space X's mission.
If we were in a war, destroying the two mechazilas would put Starship out of commission. It needs to be able to land on any flat surface.
Imagine living on Mars in the first base being totally reliant on Earth for supplies then global war breaks out here.
@@bojangles2492 Global war would kill many more people on Earth. Why even consider this thinking about Mars exploration?
Should we be afraid of any shadow? Mars is for the brave and adventurous. Thanks God we are all different.
@jantoleu8392 You are filling in too many blanks, I said imagine. Which you did, no need to presume my point of view on the matter though. It is far more detailed and nuanced than I've let on.
I assume there will be evacuation plans in case supplies can't be delivered. Obviously once the population grows too large to just ship back home the colony needs to be self sufficient.
Landing any type of rocket was thought to be impossible.
Wow, SpaceX engineering has got a highly ambitious plain to figure out. Go SpaceX 🌎
Spacex makes space fun again😅
Excitement guarantee!!!!
Landing legs were always going to be necessary for a starship; otherwise, it would be useless for landing on the Moon and Mars. Legs on the Boosters will make less of an impact on Musk's previous comments about mass to orbit when more powerful engines are used.
I'm a big fan of Starship with landing legs
I like the idea of legs on starship . It already knows how to land. I don't know about the booster though?🤔
Not really. Landing legs will always incur a payload penalty in order tto increase the fuel to carry the landing legs.
Not if there’s a mechazilla on the moon and mars
Limiting costs and rapid turnaround requires landing on land.
Catching it with the arms just seems too risky to me. The drone ship makes way more sense,or a fixed platform in the ocean somewhere.
excitement guaranteed on the landing.....
oh the irony of having the FAA and/or NASA complaining about delays from a private company.
Booster is going to make one heck of a sail. That will put it around the 25th biggest sail in the world. Yup., that drone ship is going to have to be much, much bigger then their current ones.
What a massive boost Starship will make to Australias economy. The reason I’ve not visited Australia is the flight time.
The fact the catch arms on Tower 2 are shorter suggests some confidence.
The starship with shock-absorbing landing legs always made better sense to me than the chopsticks tower grab method. That sounded like an accident waiting to happen. Plus, like the narration said, it gives more options. Smart.
First landings on other planets/moons will require legs as well. The weight saved by not having legs on either vehicle is worth it when they're not needed however.
Starship needs legs to land on mars
Have been wondering why no one's mentioned this earlier
It's only the booster that ever needs to land on a droneship as it doesn't achieve orbit. The starship can easily land back at the starbase as it is in orbit and can time its re-entry to land back at base.
Starship has to walk before it can run. An intermediate droneship landing method will allow development time to perfect the tower landing on land. Starship has to move fast or lose momentum.
Hmmm it has no landing legs…..
I think they are preparing in case the catch arms solution does not work.
anding legs will be required for every Ship goig to the moon, Mars and for transportation on earth, so it is a vital component.
A much better landing platform would be fixed oil rig type system that could simply catch incoming starships and place them on transport ships eliminating the need for expensive specialized drone ships.
SpaceX bought 2 old platforms to do exactly that, did nothing with them for a while then sold them
Musk just has to put large wings on the Spaceship and turn it into a Spaceplane. That booster can land close to its launch base with landing legs. A Spaceplane can land everywhere. Think of how the Buran evaded heavy winds while landing. It did this completely automatic, guided with an eighties computer. So improved Space Shuttle/Energia looks as follows: Super heavy booster, with on top of it a Spaceship with wings that can fly and float through the air like a plane.
To land like a plane, it has to land at an airfield with a long enough runway. The energy required is a key management problem like it was for the shuttle. Without power, landing short is a problem. With power requires fuel, which has mass and requires relighting vacuum engines in the atmosphere. This is dicey. Also, once on the ground, how do you move it? An on- tail landing is easier to manage. Landing next to a launch site means you don't have to move it.
@@rwesenberg Well, here the improved Space Shuttle aka Buran concept comes in again. Its engines could be used just like a jet. It could even take off from the ground all by itself and fly like a jet plane.
Adding wings and the necessary reinforcement and additional shielding would significantly increase its weight, drastically lowering its capacity. While the Space Shuttle was limited to LEO, the Starship is meant to go to the Moon and Mars. It needs all the weight savings it can get.
Don’t need wings for the moon or Mars…. Need landing legs on starship.
@JFJ12 Supposedly, or so it was claimed. The system effects of these capabilities would have severely limited other aspects of its performance and, I suspect, reliability. These capabilities were never demonstrated nor tested. There are important technical reasons for this.
FAA will thats Failed for the other Blue Origin. Space X is too powerful. They scared from Space X .
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Catching the Booster and starship either inland or in the middle of the ocean will be both a special feat. Cannot wait to watch it Live! LETSGOOO SPACEX!!!
When landing most of the weight is in the engines. Land on elevated ring on shocks with automatic side paddle clamps. The engine ring should be way solid enough to take the load of an empty. booster.
Grabbing the booster/ship from mid air allows for some wiggle room (maybe meter or two).
Altho if the ring could be moved around a bit then that might work as well.
In the words of Robert F Kennedy... "Some men see things as they are and ask, ""Why?"" I dream things that never were and ask, ""Why not?"" . The Why Not crew makes stuff happen. Like reusing rocket stages that have been sent up before, cutting costs.
1. Great video!
I have a question Kevin, anyone with an answer please pipe in too, Why don’t they bury the tank farm? Wouldn’t it help regulate the temperature better by allowing it to be underground? It would seem it would also protect the tanks from an accident on the surface.
ill assume because of the high water table. also would be difficult to secure the tanks underground. there is a tremendous amount of pressure and boyancy with buried tanks trying to burst out of the earth.
@@michaelotoole1807 Correct, plus you can't see leaks under ground.
Launching and returning to a sea based location seems the most advantages.
Gonna need bigger drone ships.
Get er flying, I’ll ride it to Australia.
I suspect that SpaceX are just keeping their options open with this filing about drone ships. SpaceX could build a new drone ship and have it ready long before the FAA can make a decision. So may as well get the FAA to review all the options as early as possible.
No. They have permission for x5 flights a year out of Texas, they hope for x25, which they may not be given. Given they do get permission that is x 50 huge sonic booms per annum blighting Boca Chica, Padre Island and Brownsville. I doubt they'll ever get permissions for that.
Boca Chica was a lousy choice for Starbase.
Australia will welcome space x with open arms.
What if they had a deep concrete canal that came right into starbase from the sea where dockside cranes could grab anything off the landing bardges. Might not be easy, but is anything ???
if they planning to land starship and booster out at sea everywhere around the planet, then I hope they're careful in avoiding areas high in piracy and such.
On the other hand, if Elan can provide jobs, perhaps the piracy will disappear? Many places are looked at as if they are only problem places, instead of opportunities, but lack of stable government is a big risk, large project, I love to see an backup supply route using high speed trains, to avoid red sea. and not having to sail around Africa.
I think its high time we started thanked about stabilizing the world, instead of creating conflicts.
Well they need legs to land on the moon and Mars
I love the 2 Towers ❤
Yeah I see a problem with starship and drone ships, it's quite heavy and needs a strongback to be shipped of to launch again because the drone ship can not hold new fuel, so a whole going back to the drawingtable is needed.
1, looking forward to these SpaceX activities.
Elon has made it clear. Landing legs weigh too much. The resulting reduction in payload/fuel capacity is unacceptable. Elon stated the MONUMENTAL cost and effort invested in " Stage Zero" may be greater than the actual crafts! For Earth landings, it will be "legless" regardless of location. Making Starship human rated? That's a long conversation. Unless a separate manned non-combustable capsule is incorporated, each launch will need a 2nd tower to catch the escaping Upper stage in the event of a platform launch failure.
If the drone ship function is only for landing, the tower does not need to be as high as for launch.
After landing, booster or Starship could be transferred to a shuttle drone ship that returns to launch site. Thus the number of landing drones is reduced with a larger # of drone shuttles, for returns.
Also, does the landing droneship need to be limited to a single landing tower?
It defeats quick reuse of super heavy
Space X is # 1
And still leads the way
If i got into the positions required in the FAA, I'd almost create a program where a company can receive permission to have unrestricted access to launching whenever they want, as long as the payload is approved. How to approve it? Simple. No weapons, no illicit substances. Then companies like SpaceX don't need to be held back by lengthy approval processes.
SpaceX is the true space flight innovators
I would have to modify your phrase "Starship's potential is astronomical" to say it's "astronautical".
Great video, Kevin.
Great comment, my loyalty audience 😂
Great informative video Kevin, thanks 👍
Thanks your supports. Have a nice weekend
@@colonbina1 you too 👍
Don't need LEGS or towers for the drone ship LANDING. A simple circle of 4 to 6 "braces", placed radially around the landing point on the drone ship, that swing UPWARDS from the deck, bracing it vertically as it lands.--- Like THIS /[]\ It would work on LAND too on a similar equipped landing site. --- Remember, I thought of this ;)
You will be forever remembered the clown with a GREAT idea
Think about investing in Australia. Getting products shipped to and from there would be cheap and very fast.
Good thought. I wonder about 100 tons of cargo via space versus ocean going cargo ships.
We know it's 45 minutes vs 30 days shipping time. But the actual cost?
I've always thought that SpaceX was going to need to put landing legs on their Starship and booster in order to accommodate landings on Mars and the moon as well as drone ships. It's about time somebody started talking about this. Thank you!!
its a Fin Cartoon loon ? or is it Just me.
Perhaps building a tower at Woomera where the old rocket programs used to happen.....
The Drone Ship option should be considered. Musk should have two approaches.
Old and tired information repeated over and over from one post to the next. Along with excessive blather.
I find Great Spacex to be the least accurate "Spacex" channel.
One correction. As SH approaches the tower its going too slow for the grid fins to do anything.
LOR The Two Towers! The Return Of The King!
Dam heat shield would mess around with legs on outside, would need to put tiles on those too if your landing on earth. The small legs lack a lot of stability.
Yes. Plus aircraft carriers! Big opportunities for the military. Lots of options to unload, take off and land back in SpaceX facility.
TWIN TOWERS !
I agree with SpaceX now thinking of landing the StarShip booster offshore. It keeps the launch stand safe from destruction due to a Starship and booster RUD. They also should bring it back to the Gulf of Mexico to bring it back into the StarShip base. They should get permission to dredge out a pass to float the barge close to the facility.
Great ideas!!!!
They're going to need a much bigger drone ship. Probably outfitted like a catamaran or trimaran with several gyro stabilizers.
You would use a semi-submerged oil rig type vessel it would have to be pretty much purpose built for SpaceX. Big vessel and big money.
You’re using the same thumbnail pic Tech map used to cover this a couple of weeks ago. Between in-house repetition, and competitor.? sites, these stories start to sound familiar. The price we pay for current space news
I don't see how the drone ship can survive the force of the rocket engines blasting it as the rocket lands. Seems like the forces involved are exponentially higher than a normal falcon landing.
It is made to account for those forces.
The booster won't be carrying a full fuel load, so probably > 95% lighter that at launch. Landing an empty booster would only require a small fraction of the number of engines required at launch, and therefore not the destructive power launching a full booster and starship.
The only way to know if the chopstick capture would work is to try it. Not like NASA, which would spend billions trying to ensure it works the first time, and will make the vehicle overly complex.
It was mentioned that starship wants to support hundreds or even thousands of launches per year to colonize Mars. However, you only have one month every two-and-a-half years that the launch window opens between Earth and Mars. So except during that one month there will be no starship launches to Mars.
Over the 2 years, They can launch as many as they can build to low earth orbit, waiting for the window to go all at once.
@@ImRichRu😂 oh yeah that's gonna happen , its literally burning money for very little reward...I like elon however he would sell sand to an Arabian.
We are not leaving this planet for at least 500 years ...there is nothing for us out there and if we find something it will be too far away ,
Why in the heck any sane person want to set up a colony on Mars...we can barely keep a colony going In Antarctica .
@@paddyt4043 its all about incentive his incentive is that if something were to happen on earth stuff on mars is safe. We can keep a colony in antartica going fine there is just no incentive to go beyond what we currently have. If we ever decide to allow oil extraction under antartica you best believe it would become a city within a few short years.
@@zachmoyer1849 why is my comment deleted 🤷
@@paddyt4043 idk that algorithm is like a black box.
Wow This is big , what's next ?
Nothing was said that we don't already know...
I don't think SpaceX will do it because it does not allow refueling and relaunching. Unless they cannot catch it this would not work for the future Mars plans.
Doing a few landings on a ship is smart. They need at least a couple landings on a platform target with plenty of cameras to gather real time data to see if they can “catch” it with robotic arms tomorrow.
all of thee above and then some more... if Starship where to deploy the midsection completely as I stated in earlier comments on this site... the reassembled nose and aft power sections brought together with the telescoping spars that run the full length of the ship make re entry much easier... ie only the nose and aft section need heat shield all fuel except that needed for landing is deployed with the midsection thereby maximizing the cargo and infrastructure deployed and reducing the mass for the tower catch...
a catch only tower or two would fix this problem
Exactly but we are still at the test and development phase right now. The FAA can't cope with rapid iteration, they prefer a monolithic glacial approach of years not weeks.
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Yes, boy that is very exciting method you proposing, exciting in many ways. 🎉🎉🎉
You can't just send a drone ship anywhere.
The vast majority of the ocean has waves that would make the ship unstable and landing impossible.
We will see what they do.
There are more than you think, we are working on things for fuel!! It's all "new" there are things that make it worldwide.. then system wide.. and then beyond!! PLEASE Remember this is a testbed
It makes sense to land on a drone ship instead of trying to catch it with mecazilla
Yes, but landing legs are still big problem for such a heavy Starship
@colonbina1 this is space X we're talking about nothing is impossible.
But tthey deliberately did away witth the landing legs.
I doubt rocket landing was seen as impossible a decade ago. It was tested in the 90s after all. If it was economically feasible was probably more the question.
SpaceX could use a number of airship lifters to move the starships back to the launching sites from the Landing drone ships.
why not land on the east side of Aussieland, so much closer
Need a bigger drone ship
@everettwalker9141
I think a used supertanker.
very nice alternative. yeah!!!
drone ship landing for starship maybe but i think booster is just too big to ever land and be transported safely on the ocean. the drone ship would have to be massive like 5x the size of falcon 9 drone ship
Maybe someone can enlighten me; why do they have to recover Star Ship at sea ? Wouldn't it be easier to do a full revolution around the earth and carry out the reentry burn once they have come back and are within a de-orbit range for Florida of Texas ?
You would think landing it in the gulf with a more vertical trajectory would allow both craft to be recovered more quickly and still achieve the same stress test.
Landing on a drone ship in rough waters (i.e., a pitching deck) could be challenging. Even if a rough water landing is successful, will the drone recovery ship be stable enough to keep its tall, top -heavy load from capsizing the drone ship?
It's less top heavy than Falcon actually.
couldn't you just put a nice pole with suspension for a landing gear that has a foot... that foot being metal... that an electromagnet in the landing pad could keep in place when triggered..as to not cause issues with the actual landing procedure before touchdown... an electromagnet landing leg grabbing mechanism. that could hold it in place until the crew secures it for transit. as a side note, these electro magnets could also help the landing craft to center itself in the landing pad (in those last few seconds before touchdown), as long as all the magnets work at the same time.. may even need to add a means for the circle of them to move.. in case the landing craft is off center too far.... will need a tracking system to keep the ring of magnets in position / relation wise to the landing craft. peace. hmm curious if there would be a way to use the magnets to move the boosters and such, while they are still on the pad? would this mean that the landing gear would need wheels integrated? or be shaped/designed(material wise) in such a way as to slide on the pad without damaging the feet?
This is a great idea. To be able to Move the landing “X Marks the Spot”
SpaceX needs to turn around these boosters quickly . If they catch the booster ,how long before the next launch ?
So the thumbnail used for this image shows massive landing legs, the title landing leg revealed where in this video did you discuss this or use this image again or is this just a misleading title?
The earth to earth plan is also a key development for the US Space Force and rapid response capabilities to anywhere in the world.
Need 2 pinpoint leg landings & to try save hardware off shore, that's good data to do it live😮
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earth to earth ? i think you mean to say point to point
I'll believe it when I see it.
Doesn't make sense logistically, not with what SpaceX wants to do.
There is an old saying in aviation, "In a rush? Take the bus! Time to spare? Go by air!" ....
Point to point is a complete non starter, its just childishly daft, for so many reasons starting with weather and extending to US national security laws. There are about x 20 valid reasons its utterly impractical between those two game stoppers. Do remember the US banned Concorde overflights for a reason.
I can see passengers reacting brilliantly to the two week delay to their super fast flight, from NYC to Sydney because the winds are too high. Quicker to walk really.
yeah, The reason was "Not Built Here!!"
É realmente terá que ter uma espécie de mini saia, quero dizer quatro asas no final do mega booster fixa para fazer um pouso em cima igual daqueles foguetes do Pernalonga
I'd love to see StarShip with BOTH Mechazilla and Leg Landing at sea and on land.