Mid Lengths: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Clayton and Ant, talk all about mid-lengths.
00:00 Intro
00:21 General Considerations About Mid Lengths
02:39 When Does A Surfboard Becomes A Mid Lengths?
03:50 Advantages Of Mid Lengths
6:24 Design Features Of A Mid Length
18:57 The Dark Side Of The Mid Lenght
22:50 Who Are Mid Lengths Good For?
24:48 The OMBE App.
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That was one of the best explanations of board design I've ever watched. Please, please could you guys do a more in-depth video on different tail shapes, nose/tail rocker, bottom contours etc
Hey Stuart, hop on the OMBE app and check the get the right board course (community.ombe.co/courses/6845332/content) There we cover every surfboard in detail.
Raglan Surf report gonna have fun with this one.
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The best explanation of shape dynamics I have heard in over 30 years. Thanks for the cool video. Dialogue style points too!
You guys have the gift of teaching. It is more than your opinion there is fact behind it. Plus the subtle humor is great.
Thank you so much for your thoughts on board design!! This video gave me every information I needed to proceed shaping my second board by myself! I Thank you so much for the perfect questions and not letting some explanations go without understanding it :D A second explanation gives much more detail and understanding!
As a life long committed surfer from a wave rich coastal town in the far south coast of NSW ,I really am surprised at the interesting and often enlightening morsels of info I glean from everyone of your shows ….I take great joy fwding your segments to several adul learner mates of mine… great work
Just what I have been looking for.Thank you!
I've watched all your vids and u alway do a very good job but this has to be the best u have put together thxs .
Loving the analogy and explanation. Interesting that a mid-length is compared to a gun, instead of a step-up. I would love to see a video on step-up, semi-gun and gun shape comparisons or how the hybrid snowboard shapes also help with the transition from mid-length to shortboards.
What an education, thank you. I rode a 7'2 board for years and it served we well until it died.😢 I've moved on to longboarding since I really need the extra time to stand up due to arthritis. I love my new board.❤
Excellent video... nailed a couple of things that I had questions about, especially the single fin coming out of the face and the rear of the board let go when on rail (9.0 Mal)
What a great video. Thanks guys!
This is a great approach. The aviation analogy is very instructive. Thankyou 💫
Thanks for posting this. I learned a lot. Also, I am buying a bucket hat ASAP.
Very well explained. There are many variables in design that can achieve similar results. I find that most people asking about mid lengths are those coming down from a longer board or those moving up from a shorter board, therefore the feeling that they are moving from helps dictate the variables in their mid length needs.
Thanks mate!
This is AN AMAZING explanation! Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
So much inspiration, thank you!
I have a Rusty, big cat, mid length, 7,4ft and absolutely love it. 55 years old and 110kg
If you haven't already can you guys talk about midlength sizes???? Thxxxxxxxx guys!!!!!!!! You guys are one of my top surfing channels!!!!
I hope OMBE gets to 1M/1,000,000/one million subscribers because you guys are awesome and how and what you teach about surfing is awesome...
You guys have great chemistry toooooooo!!!!!!!
I love mid lengths!
Very good explanation, now I'm very happy I just ordered a midlenght
I love my SS&B 7.0 (around 45 lt) as I was struggling a bit with the paddling in my shortboard (around 35 lt) as I'm getting older and having less time in the water (even after improving A LOT with the OMBE courses and the OREO technic). My question is: Does it makes sense to think that a better shortboard for me could be something around the same volume of my mid-lenght? Like a fish or something that allows for more volume in a shorter board?
Great work btw with all the content!
so informative!
I think we'd have gotten a more straightforward explanation if hat guy just talked to us / the camera instead of polo guy.
Best video yet.
Fighter jet exxxxxaaaaammmmmmpppppleeee ammmazzzinnnggg!!!!! Greaaaaaaaaaaat surfboard education!!!!!!! Thxxxxx!!!!!! Happy surfing from Virginia Beach, VA!!!!!!
One of the best reviews on your channel!!!! I have a mid length quiver which growing and agree infinite percent with you guys....
As Clay would say, "spot on", maaaates!!!!!!!
That was rad. The amount of information was so helpful. I been shaping my own boards for almost 4yrs, & am loving the technical side of what makes a board work.
I'm 57yrs old, 5.4ft, weigh 80kgs (old man's tummy) shoe size is 6. (South African dimension).
Q1: What length & volume mid length would suit me?
Q2: Would a mid length board work at jbay on a big day 5-6ft +?
You have me sold on a mid length. I'm 52 and trying to maintain on a 5'11". I have a trip to Costa Rica next month and I will be looking for mid lengths to use. Thanks.
for costa rica i'd look into something like the lost crowd killer in terms of shape and rocker. i don't like the retro mid lengths when waves get a little more critical.
Loved the middle part of the video!
Glad you liked it!
Great content - as for the tail shape - a squash would give you a longer rail line in a shorter board as well as a better pivot point - not necessarily a bad thing
What are your thoughts on length for your first mid? I have heard about 12" above head height.
Hey guys it would be really interesting to hear Clayton’s thoughts about fin splay or toe. Like race cars positive and negative toe effect if the car is more or less sensitive to steering input with trade off being straight line speed. But that’s with all four wheels making contact or at least three. However if a surfboard is on rail and only the fins on the engaged rail side are in the water how does the flow of water dictate what the fins are doing? I’m also curious about how water moving past the fin on the Z axis, nose to tail, might differ from the effects of water traveling up the face.
Epic etiquette lesson @20:20. Just because you can catch every wave doesn’t mean you should 😜. Even if you don’t want to surf a shortboard, do it anyway as part of your weekly and you will develop all the muscles and balance to be even better on your mid 😎.
100 % agree Wes.
Sure, people are free to ride whatever they like, but IMO too many people as they age go straight from short boards to mals, when mid-lengths might be more fun for their middle years.
One thing ill say is that you call out the point nose / pointy tail of the gun as the reason its slow. In reality the reason they are slower than mid lengths is the rocker. They have more rocker which holds the water on plane and doesn't release it as easily. Think about a glider with a pintail and a pointy nose. Still very fast because they have no rocker.
Should use mics for these kind of videos. Would help a lot.
Just picked up a second hand Machado Ss&B 7’0, then injured my Achilles’ tendon, but coming good now. Absolutely frothing to try it out
Rode one and loved it.
You guys always leave me wanting to be in the water right away
About what size (lenght and volume) would a midlenght be for me when I am 185cm, 90kg, foot US10, intermediate level. Fitness level and paddlestrenght is ok!
Would be surfing it in 2-5ft waves when I travel to europe or indonesia or wherever.
Thanks!
Hahahhaa only a few minutes in makes me miss working at a surf shop 🤣
Interesting video! Clay's onto it! Though we all know the reason for the surge in popularity of mid-length/Egg shapes, its because it's a trend. Just like everything in surfing now, its fashion brah! Remember the "Hypto Krypto" fad? That was a thing, now it's not. Then twin fins happened. Now mid-lengths. These boards are wicked fun, but it is funny that people surfing eggs and mid-lengths 10 years ago were given a hard time. Now it's acceptable. Surfing is (it once wasn't) an interesting breeding ground for herd mentality.
With a midlenght I catch more waves, have more fun, surf longer and have way more days in the water compared to my shortboard days. Surfed over 20 years with shortboards.
I hear you
I think with a slightly rounded pin tail you could expand the mid length range from waste high to well overhead. I’m not sure most guys want to be ripping tight cutbacks on their middies.
Last year I got my hands on a hardly surfed 2nd hand 6’8 x 20 1/4 x 2 3/4 Clayton Swivel,it says “test for CS” so I think it was a prototype when developing the swivel. Awesome board,that’s my mid length. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Those where Clayton's first mid lengths over 10 years ago.
I think a mid length is a great addition to a quiver once you've learned how to surf well (see so many people surfing them badly out running the wave turning flat), I think that going from foamie to mini mal to funboard (easy shorterboard) then to a proper shortboard is a great progressive way to understand the nuances of surfing then experimenting with mid lengths twinnies logs etc with the correct technique is a thing of beauty, having said that if your a weekend only/holiday surfer maybe a mid length makes sense?
Around 17:18 you mention that if Ant is 6ft6 then a 6ft6 mid-length could be his shortboard, but if someone is 5ft6 then a 6ft6 could be their mid-length. So why/how would the shorter person's weight/feet/lean leverage turn the same board?
Wider tail. 6’6 your mid length would be about 7’4 7’6. Two completely different shapes from ones shortboard, to there mid length. Especially in the tail
It should be custom made for their weight, hight etc.
At speed it's more difficult to put a board on rail, unless you reduce the width and increase the rocker. Width is good for slow moving waves, ie lower wing loading. Note: concave = anhedral (less stable) V-bottom = dihedral (more stable) This is why the foils on foilboards are anhedral.
Yes I'm a pain, but qualified. 😉
I feel like the current trend to go mid length is a short boarders attempt to compete with the proliferation of long boarders etc and their greedy wave hog obsession. Any point surfing session just pisses me off to no end with every unbuttoned shirt wearing hipster, any 20kg girl surfing a no rocker long board, 15yo kids who should be on a short board, taking every _ucken wave then paddling back out past you again. Add to the mix SUP's, foils or any other surf craft. Never surfed Snapper so that's a different story. Having surfed now for nearly 50 years and still on shorties (5'10" up to 6'4") I swear I'll never surf a point again when I get out there. Living on the Sunny Coast it's Noosa, Alex, Carties or Moffat. All prime examples of places I won't go to when points are the only alternative to blown out open beaches. Maybe I'm living too much in the past, and need a 'State of Mind' adjustment. Having said all that, I now in the mix of ordering a mid length from a local shaper. 🤨Having come from short boards, I felt a mid length for me was around 6'4" but now I think I have to go at least 6'8"after watching this great talkfest . Great content as always from you guys Clay and Ant and the OMBE crew.
Im sure a mid length will put a smile on your face. Ps: I stay away from the points.
When i get old i might try a midlength
19:00 - I'm dying
I think riding a middie should only be allowed for those who have spent years paying their dues... hit 50 and you earn your mid licence!
I can barely stand up and I'm gonna get one😂
When you are looking at mid lengths, are you looking at length, or a combination of length and total liters?
What is your typical mid length --6'4" -6'8", 36-40L range?
Depends on your height and weight. Add 6-12 inches to your height. The heavier you are, the more length and volume you need. I use a 6’8 51L Hypto Krypto for my mid length when waves are small and weak. I’m 5’10 and 140lbs. But I’ll also use the same board when it gets double overhead.
@@ed1pk --thanks for the feedback.
I am 5'10", 170lbs.
I tend to over buy surfboards. lol...
@@wcc1212 Me too. Haha. Also, take out the center fin and ride it as a twin to loosen it up and make it more fast/fun when waves are small. Also go up in size/volume when conditions are crowded and your paddle conditioning is not so great. If you're not catching more than half the waves you paddle for, you need a bigger board. 🤙🏄♂
@@ed1pk --yea, that is a great suggestion about removing the center fin. One builder takes his 7ft and makes it a twin fin in 4-6ft conditions, and he says it is a lot of fun.
In FL it can be 1-2ft or 3-5ft and glassy, or 4-6ft and heavy soup! It is really a wide range of conditions. So, yea, I buy more boards than I need---but heck, i may take 3 with me, and ride all 3. lol....
@@wcc1212 Yeah, taking the center fin out allows you to turn the board without having to get your back foot on the tail. It's like riding a completely different board, so you may not need to buy any more :) I can turn while still standing in the middle allowing me to shift my weight to drop into the wave or fly down the line. Like a skateboard with super loose trucks. So much faster and fun in waves 1-3ft. Can get tricky to control in bigger waves 3-6, especially going backside. Very squirrely at first and takes getting used to. And really need to take care in sweeping turns/cutbacks. can't as easily just power through. When it's overhead, I put the center fin back in if I'm too tired for a shortboard. Prefer the extra stability of center fin.
justo one appointment, when you are riding small waves you need a small board that can fit in the wave, a mid lenght is a board for fat waves with a good face ideally!
It depends on the shape & speed of the wavw
If your logic was correct, how can you surf a 9 foot board in a 1 foot wave?
@@jonnyzuma6884 try to do a roundhouse cutback and hit the lip on a longboad in one foot wave. Of course a longboard is ideal to surf weakerr waves ( more volume) but not to perform if you know waht i mean.
Mid length surf etiquette is interesting. Everyone hates you but tell me how if everyone else sucks at position even on a short or mid length it isn’t ok to be hated for catching it all.
Surfboards cost a fortune nowadays. I started surfing in the early 90s and the board was like 300$. Now they cost around 1,000$. I don’t know how people who surf good waves can afford it. Surfboards aren’t exactly the strongest thing they break easier than most would expect. I have broken quite a few in my day and it would drive me nuts.
I look forward to everyone hating me at my local beach when I get my mid length. 😂
lol
I always thought a thumb tail was meant to give more control than a squash tail :/
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At the end of the day, it's all about having fun and catching waves.. who cares about getting lazy.
Nice content,... but audio quality is not really good.
🤙🏽😎
Mid lengths shapes like performance sup
Board length is directly proportional to the width of ones smile.
True story
Mini mal with a point isn't a mid length. What he's making is a pointy mini mal. Same with CI and a few others.
Not sure your comments about a single fin setup are very accurate. You can turn beyond 45 degrees. You can turn on rail.
mildly offensive mockery of 12 step meetings around 22:40… 🤣
All I heard was BUY A MID length and sell everything else other then a log and a couple guns :)
Thanks fellas I'm off to order a couple mid lengths
They hate at first, they'll get used to it.. 🤙🤙😜
lol
short board = wide point in the rear, mid length = wide point forward
Froth Lord!!!!!
Guilty.
I would be so frustrated if I was hat guy
This one goes to 11.
why so much aggro energy between these two lol
Lol Ant doesn't listen.
I usually go to board sales online like Ontario surf shop and check out their new boards and study mid length measurements / fish/ twin etc ...in relation to you. Write a whole list down in that type of board selection and you can choose your best board size from that and learn a lot
I'm 72 started riding 1964 on Malibu's the got into midget farrely pintail single fins in the 70s . Then got into twins when mark Richard s was tops in 78. And I stuck with them until the Simon Anderson thrusters took over. Stayed with thrusters ever since started shaping and have been stoked onmarton potters saint twin and MR twin as well.. hafter 45 years of surfing full time had a heart attack and coma. Combined with Nearly 20 years without surfing working inland I lost how to surf??? Practice like a child again doing a dozen pop ups per day on the floor. It's a mind game. Don't have a coma you will struggle to surf again . Switch off do pop ups and never give up . Don't stay away from riding more than 5 years it's dodgy u could lose it. Pensioner