Star Trek: Martok's Cavalry Raid - Battle Analysis
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Spacedock breaks down General Martok's series of raids against the Dominion in 2375.
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Will you be doing a follow up one about the destruction of the dominion shipyards?
Spacedock absolutely epic and cannot wait for sojourn 😋
Spacedock the Klingon would NOT call there military. Defense forces. Too passive for them.
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More Star Trek.
It was a Flotilla not a Fleet.
And not too long after that episode was filmed, Kor's actor passed away as well. In a way, both men got to go out on a high note. We should all be so lucky. Qa'pla!
Kor son of Rynock died well ! (15 September 1500 hours)
He earned his place in Sto'Vo'Kor.
The actor knew he was dying I hear. I think he used that to inject more in to his performance.
A great Torontonian.
Eh!
Kor the first Klingon we ever saw in TOS was given the death that Kirk was denied by Berman and Braga. "Kor died on the bridge instead of under one"
Kirk died trying to save millions of lives on Veridian IV and the crew of the Enterprise-D. It doesn't matter that he died crushed by a bridge, drowning in mud or on a bridge of a starship. He died as a hero.
Who is Brandon?
@@andrebrynkus2055 Berman and Braga is what I meant to write my mistake.
@@T0ghar He was trying to save millions(and succeded!) but given all else tht Kirk had done Soran seems like a small villian to be the one who killed him.
@@TheAtkey it's worse when you consider if Picard went back a week instead - he could have saved his family and retcon the whole movie. And we'd be all better off for it.
I felt so bad for Kor, his monologue about getting old was hard hitting. Martok needed to see Kor as the person he was, nit just a high ranking official who screwed him over. That was a great episode
Don't live too long, that fruit goes bitter with time.
I was stumbling all over trying to remember that, good job
Painfully true
"Lord, make me dead before you make me old."
-- The Warrior Song
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"I've hated his name for almost thirty years. I've dreamt of the moment when I would finally see him stripped of his rank and title, when he would suddenly find himself without a friend in the world, without the power of his birthright. Well, I've had that moment now. And I took no joy from it." - Martok
The song the bridge crew sung in closing was just epicly glorious and indicative of honoring an old warrior's sacrifice. You should have added it to the video if it was allowed.
Dying like a true Klingon warrior 101
a true Klingon wouldn't have gone senile though
@@HiopX it wasn't like he shied from battle. He took a severe wound in the same fight that killed Kang and Koloth and easily could have gone to Sto'vo'kor then
@@HiopX He had the bad luck of being such a skilled warrior that he survived long enough to become senile.
we die with hunnor!!!!
I loved these episodes in DS9. One of the few times we got to see full scale war tactics in Star Trek.
In fairness the federation was never geared for war. This lead to terrible tactics and heavy losses.
I mean martoks plan was sound. Strategically small raids to disrupt your enemy is a sound plan when facing a superior foe.
Tactically the idea of attacking a base with a small raiding force, waiting for them to begin reconstituting their forces and then hitting again with a second force is also fairly clever.
Kor just had klingon Alzheimers so you can't really blame him
The Federation was first and foremost an exploratory and science based fleet. At best they might be considered a self-defense force, but I'm hesitant to call it even that. Starfleet, and the Federation by extension, was a peacetime entity; this despite the fact that we've seen dozens of times in the Federation's history where they've had to fight full-scale wars and/or brush fire wars. They forgot the adage, "If you want peace, prepare for war."
Shouldn't there be a Home Fleet in Sol System and local system defense fleets in other vital systems like Vulcan and Andor? How come we never see that? These fleets would serve the dual purpose of securing those systems against enemy attack or pirate activity and act as a ready reserve to reinforce other fleets as needed.
@@dparky1627 we do hear mention of betazed having its own defense force. But was described as out of date and undermanned. Not inconceivable that other member races had their own ships and defense fleets.
@nilloc93, it's called a "double tap", the same strategy that American forces used in the Iraq invasion. You hit a target, then wait for first responders to tend to the wounded then hit the emergency workers.
I use this strategy in Stellaris when a larger faction declares war on me. I'll have some torpedo boat type corvettes move deep into enemy systems and attack their orbital resource stations, forcing the enemy to respond, while I build up my main fleet.
I do a similar thing but with PD/NT destroyers. Small group can take out an unupgraded station with no losses and are fast enough to out run enemy fleets.
Honestly I found that midgame just having a fleet of like 200 missile corvettes was enough to take on any other fleet, and they could quickly be reinforced.
What kind of nerd doesnt always have a fleet of 3 thousand torpedo and railgun corvettes at all times
Does anyone else remember Tachyon destroyers or am I the only one?
All about maintaining the initiative in war :)
I loved this episode of DS9. I was in tears, but I also knew that the episode showed what honorable warriors the Klingons were. DS9 showed, on many occasions just how bad ass a true, and honorable Klingon Warrior was.
Savor the fruit of life, my young friends. It has a sweet taste when it is fresh from the vine. But don't live too long. The taste turns bitter... after a time.
~Kor
That was a great episode and an honorable sacrifice for Kor. May the songs of his bravery and that of his crew ring loud and wide.
Using WW2 Naval tactics in Star Trek was one of the greatest ideas ever put to screen. I've always had a problem with ship tactics used in the different series, sometimes they just sit there and trade fire and other times they go in straight lines like they are not in a vacuum. Even the bigger ships maneuver in 3 axis so they should use that capability. For The EMPIRE!
Kor, son of Rynar will be welcomed in Sto-vo-kor.
Such a man would have to be CERTAIN of his abilities!
He will dine in the halls of his fathers. Songs will be sung, ships will be named, and his name will be declared loudly in all the great houses.
Please do more Battle Analysis videos!
Yes! You explain them well!
When Martok raised a bottle and says "To Kor...Dahar master...and noble warrior to the end..."
A true moment, when Martok sees him for what he is after holding such anger for him all this time.
The elderly, though slow and dangerous behind the Conn, can still serve a purpose.
I'll be right back, don't you go dying on me!
"...and inflict major damage to the facility."
Seeing as I love memeing things....
*NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE*
*TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE DAMAGE*
I enjoy that the "Last Battle of Osiris" was used as the BGM for this video given how similar both the Osiris's final mission and the overall Ghost Fleet Offensive was to this.
Love battle analysis like this. Noice vid.
This is pretty much what happened at Leyte Gulf in WW2. Specifically, the battle of Samar, since the battle of Leyte Gulf was actually comprised of several separate engagements. Nevertheless, kudos to DS9 for using it for this episode, it WAS epic!
Martok was a badass.
The guy was about 200 years old and still taking names for the glory of the Empire
@@weldonwin Martok isn't Kor but I understand :D
"Eventually Kor was removed from command"...cue shot of Worf knocking him spark out! Lol!
I loved ds9 and this has to be one of my favourite episodes it’s got the same feel as Zulu or sharpes siege
You should do:
Battleship Halberd
Great Fox
Arwing
I really like the way you explain or rather
"re-tell" the events or technologies...
One of my favorite scenes on DS9 well done!!!!
Such a fantastic episode, Kor goes down like the legend he is.
A fitting send of for Kor and the great John Calicos
Matthew Walkley Yes it was!
Very nice video, Stardock and one of my favorite episodes. You should take a look at the Descent Freespace universe or the Battletech universe. Battletech canon in particular is short on naval battles but the ones it does have - like the brief but critical space battle over Radstadt - might make for a fun video.
The Actor who was in the original series battle star galactica was baltar
And he was the voice of Apocalypse in the 1990's Animated X-Men series.
That Kor guy looks a lot like that Gaius Boltar guy (OG BSG) hmmm must've been a changeling.
No pun. But I thought this was funny.
Well, he did play Baltar on the orginal BSG
@@thandokhan1962 I know that was the joke. Perhaps it wasn't clear. I apologise if it wasn't.
It was the same actor
Thats why the Cylons left him alive. They wanted to kill all humans, but they didnt care about Klingons.
Excellent segment ! I can't wait to see more ! (15 September 2018 1500 hours)
A great analysis of a great battle in one of the greatest Star Trek Series. DS9 was allways the best from the plots and most of the space battles.
Awesome choice of battles spacedock
Glad these are back
0:33 Five BoP set out.
1:57 One BoP is lost.
Me at 3:30 : THERE. ARE. FOUR. BIRDS OF PREY!
"LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!."-Kor's last words before his sacrifice run.
They really should've depicted Kor's final battle in the series. I know air-time is limited, but I say if you're going to have a side-character like Kor go out fighting, you should damn well show it.
wouldn't make sense with the themes of the episode. It opens with Bashir and O'Brian arguing about the actions of Davey Crockett and other legends at the Alamo. Did those guys, now old legends, die in battle or having surrendered and being executed? Worf tells them that if he is the legend they believe he is than they should believe the legend; otherwise he is just a man and it doesn't matter how he died. The point being, Kor is a legend and deserves a legendary death. One worthy of Stova'kor. And your imagination is going to surpass reality everytime.
Kor, the Da' Har Master....yet LIVES!....fueled by the blood lust of battle, Kor and his small crew beamed over to one of the Jem' Hader's damaged shipS right before the warp core detonated on the Bird of Prey....with brutal and legendary hand to hand attacks, they slayed the crew and took over the raider....
While flying back to the Jem' Hader front.....Kor ordered a daring warp jump into an uncharted nebula(but not before destroying two additional raiders in a back stabbing attack)...lost for days in the nebula, Kor and his small crew discovered a lone habitable planet......
SOMEONE ADD TO THIS STORY!...KEEP IT ROLLING! :)
This was one of my favorite episodes of DS9!
Hit and run are my favorite tactics.
Not sure how the Klingons won so many wars without having the discipline to withdraw from a simple asymmetric raid. Pressing the attack only works when you have the numerical advantage. A condition the Dominion rarely found it's self on the receiving end of.
That was purely Kors doing
The Klingons did have the discipline for it and in fact used hit-and-run tactics very successfully.The problem was that due to a lack of foresight on Martok's part, Kor was actually the second ranking officer aboard the flagship and ended up in command despite being afflicted by age-induced dementia. In the chaos, Kor believed himself to be in an entirely different, long-past battle and acted accordingly. Due to his legendary status, nobody dared to question his orders until Worf got involved.
Well until worf prevented martok from killing kor
The Greeks at Marathon were outnumbered roughly 3 to 1, yet they pressed the attack and were victorious.
@@anzaca1 they also didn't deal with all the numbers at once and were better trained and had better leaders on the lower level
One of my top 5 episodes of DS9.
Which season is this? Episode?
@@eviltwinzak
Season 7 episode title ONCE MORE ONTO THE BREACH
Much appreciated, thank you 😊
It's my favourite because of the battles, and the poetic dialogue.
So sad seeing Kor losing his mind, but he died the most honorable death anyone (especial a Klingon) could.
STAROMEGA54 so happy that people still can use ALLCAPS in the right way.
yeah that episode was great
Love this and the voice ♥️
1 ship against 10 an end worthy of a warrior. Kor went to Sto'vo'kor with great honor
Such a great episode love your videos
Some say he's still out there . . .
Kor !!!
Da' Har Master !!!!!
💚👽
That was a fucking amazing episode. Maybe my favorite Klingon episode of all time.
If it was me I would’ve used a modified cloaked Bajoran Carrier carrying a skeleton crew, 16 FAF and 8 Danube’s escorted by 5 BOP. Fighters would’ve been a better option for in atmosphere fighting and bombing runs.
What video editing wizardry did you use to make the widescreen crop of the battle look good even though the series is only in 480p?
"defense force"
The best defense is a solid attack.I bet that is Klingon thinking:)
In the same way that all wars fought by the Roman Empire were 'defensive'. No, really, in ancient Rome, it was expressly forbidden by Roman law for the Republic and later the Empire, to engage in wars of aggression. Instead, they would engage in 'Wars of Preemptive Defense'
@@weldonwin Nice to know nothing ever changes!
Yes the KDF was definitely a purely defensive organization, any massive conquests were completely coincidental.
Pls do stalwart frigate and Bougainville class transport
AWESOME!
Anyone else see the parallel between Kor and Lloyd Bridges's Cain from the original Battlestar Galactica?
And that is why Birds of Prey are feared and respected across the Galaxy!
I'd love to be able to see this as a valiant last stand, but... he's solving a problem he created himself. It won't bring back the people lost due to his previous failings.
I do feel with him, a lot. I can understand. But it was still reckless of him to enforce his leadership for the mission, after he already realized how even he himself can't trust his own senses anymore. Pure vanity, endangering everyone for the chance to atone and to go out in a blaze of glory.
would you rather have worf do it?
Do the hammerhead cruiser
3:30 Shouldn't there be 4 BoP, not 5?
Hey Spacedock, is there a reason you haven't touched the ships and technology of the X Universe?
There's tons of different ship- and stationtypes, weapons and technology. And especially the ATF ships have some of the most beautiful designs in sci-fi ever.
Do Battle of Witch Head from Gene Roddenberry's Andromada!
Alternative decison call federetion ships to klingon squadron
4 ships left, displays 5 ships lel
Seriously though, great video :D
Why is the ship based combat using land naval inspired strategies? Wouldn't U-boat raider be a better explanation.
LoLz, it was weird to hear you announce the date of tomorrow when you'd be making that stream as it's my birthday, just odd to hear it.
I wonder what would have happened if either of Kor's old friends (Kang and Koloth) had survived, would the mission have been different? I think it may have been, especially if it were Kang, instead of Kor.
RIP, the great John Colicos :'(
You made a mistake in the animation that started at 3:30. You had 5 Birds of Prey, but it was actually only 4 since one was already destroyed.
Warhammer? Horus Heresy storyline? Would love that.
I was thinking about that Raid when i heard about the strike of the russian freedom legion at belgorod
Don’t forget the time the klingons attacked ds9 and then brutally lost, but declared victory despite that being a blatant lie to avoid being deemed “weak”
The biggest you didn’t win I can imagine
Cud have kept a closer rendezvous...
If they only knew how much we'd pay for the HD blu-rays, I have to go rewatch it again
What is your goal?
"We shall be extremely annoying"
Kor didn't ambush worf he used a hypo spray to make him go unconscious
Nice vid, but you made a mistake: when the B´rel retreated they were only 4, not 5 like your graphics show.
One of the five ships was destroyed, after all.
DS9 is the best Star Trek series and this was one of the best DS9 episodes :-)
I know its knit-picky, but there were only 4 ships fleeing the Jem'hadar, not 5. One of the raiders was destroyed while attempting to escape.
How about some B5?
Cool, but at @3:36 you have 5 birds of prey, and one was destroyed earlier.
Another connection between Klingons and the Japanese; Both call their militaries "Defence Forces" despite being a warlike people with a serious fetish for melee weapons.
I've been trying...
(By searching many different ways)
To find the top 5 kit bash ships.
Any way you'd reconsider making it ?
(or linking it ?.. glanced @ the 500+)
What ever happened to the cloak that allowed starfleet ships to phase threwcrock as well as be cloak?
confiscated. it was an illegal cloaking device,
3:33 shouldn't there only be four BoPs in the graphic?
Only 4 ships were running away after the attack on the ground station, yet your diagram shows all 5.
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
LONG LIVE KOR, DAHAR MASTER!
Sovereign VS Odyssey (Mass Effect vs Stargate). Please
Hear! Sons of Kahless.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
THE WARRIOR BRAVE AND TRUE!!!
he wasn't knocked unconscious. he was drugged using a hypospray.
He was kor da’har master
Died full
Honour and rode the last ride into stovo kor
That people is a Klingon
is losing 2 ships to slightly damage an base a victory?
When it delays the production of dozens of enemy ships, yes.
I haven't seen the episode so I don't know what it was for, but 'starbase' makes me think ship production/storage/maintenance area, so if they can delay production for months on end wouldn't you put a small force together to at least damage it?
There were also 10k soldiers stationed there. The real effect would be to force the Dominion to reassign more ships to defending their assets to prevent such raids which would reduce the number of ships on the front lines.
The objective was to disable the base and force it to focus on repair and slowing down its production so it succeeded in that regard. It's much like Operation Chariot during WW2 where British commandos raided a French dry dock to disable it and force any Axis capital ships in the Atlantic to return to Germany for repairs.
No matter the species, Sun Tzu's principles remain true.
Great video. Though i have to be nitpicky; This is a recount or report, not an analysis. For that you would have to...you know, analyze and evalueate and compare tactics and stuff :_D
Kor, the Da'har master! Stovakor welcomes you! We raise our drinks to you as you drink with Kahless!
Suicide Sentry. Staying behind to stall or stop the enemy even though you know you will not survive.
Once the Romulans got involved in the war, they should have suspended the anti cloak segment of the treaty of Algeron so the entire alpha quadrant Alliance could cloak, (maybe get a few concessions from the Federation in return, plus the agreement that once the war is over, the Feds go back to non cloaking). Federation ships are faster, so they could use this same tactic very effectively. But then they could also install surge protectors on all consoles, at least they aren't as incompetent as Star Wars Imperials.
And the Cardassians Obsinian order had Romulan cloaks, shouldn't the Dominion have got access to them when they took over?
It makes me wonder how anyone could mistake the Martok changeling for Martok. The Martok changeling had no strategic or tactical skill, as was demonstrated at the 1st battle of Deep Space 9, while Martok could come up with strategies and tactics like these.
More importantly, how was the changeling impersonating Martok able to fool his wife and son?
Hate to actually criticise you but at 0:32 you say a force of five ships; at 2:05 one is destroyed; so why exactly are there still five klingon ships in the tactical display from 3:30 onward? Something does not add up
Unfortunately, this happens at my work all the time. The arsonist puts out the fire the started... and get's an award. He should first be remembered for getting a bunch of people killed.
Cool