Tires & Wheels -What You SHOULD Know when buying Off Road, 4x4 & Overlanding Upgrades
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This is an Off road & Overland Guide for buying Tires and Rims. It teaches you how to be an expert and be confident in the tires and wheels you select for your unique journey. Even if you are a seasoned pro I would challenge you to watch this video and not learn at least one new thing.
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Very informative and well done - I've seen the rotational weight ratio listed as 9.8:1 in several publications. Can you confirm or cite where you got the 3:1 ratio?
This dude is way underated, needs more subs
Thanks for watching and for the support.
Thanks for reminding me, I’ve been watching his vids for a while and YT shows me his content because I’ve watched it several times but haven’t sub’d till just now. I assumed I was until I checked.
Fun fact, get a matching spare tire/wheel combo and move that into the rotation every time you rotate tires and you’ll increase the mileage you get out of your tires by 20%. That’s huge. Certainly helps offset the cost of another tire and wheel.
Yep, new to this at later stage in life and very helpful!
I always run common tire sizes and brands. Makes replacing easy when out of town.
Good call out... especially if you start crossing borders.
@@old3651 Try getting a 37-40" tire in some who knows town on a sunday. I run 33's because they work, not for the rig factor.
Bingo.
YES! I only purchase name brand tires that are widely available for this very reason
Yep; I’m going with an LT275/65R20 KO2 for that exact reason.
So true on rims. I bought a brand new 1 ton Chevy and the dealer liked the look of a 22” rim.!! Whhaaaaattt! I asked why you would ever put that on a 1 ton truck? Chevy 3500. He said they looked good. I said “you’ve lost the purpose of a 1 ton truck.” Swapped them out fast.
Underrated channel. You’re videos are very informative, I’ve found the exact info I’m looking for here.
Awesome, that makes me want to keep making videos. Thanks 🙏
In a land full of brodozer monstrosities, this channel is refreshing.
I've seen a few comments on the wheel/rim distinction, so I'll throw in my .02
A wheel is something you mount a tire on that has a center section (for the bolt pattern & hub hole)
A rim is something you mount a tire on that does not have a center section (and is connected to the hub via other means, like clamps on a spoke hub)
I learned this distinction working heavy duty truck parts, and this is still relevant in Industrial & Ag settings.
Historically, what you'd find on 'light' trucks was just a smaller version of what you'd find on medium & heavy duty trucks. And as manufacturing and metal alloys got better, wheels become more prevalent as lighter, stronger, and safer than the cast hub & rim counterpart.
And I know there has been a ton of time for meanings to meld and depending on the area, it can be argued as to what is "right" or "wrong" here.
But that above is what I was taught, and even as I have left that field, it still makes the most sense to me, as it has historical context that is still used current day.
I'd like to add that I believe tire pressure is one of the biggest reasons for uneven wear...mainly over pressure. People upgrade tires, but then follow the sticker inside the door and wonder why the tires wear in the center and their truck rides roughly. And secondly don't adjust them for loaded and unloaded weight. A chalk test is a good way to verify how the tire is conforming to the street under the current load.
Great point.. PSI almost deserves its own short video...
I just said the same thing above. When I had mine installed professionally they were WAY too high.
Its nice to see someone put put content that is sensible like not everyone needs a 40" super swamper tsl on their daily because some people really think that. A good driver and common sense trumps picking outa balance equipment choices everyday.
So true.
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Just shared your channel with a friend who is just getting into overland travel. Super informative without all the ego. I really appreciate your humbleness. Keep up the great work and and thanks for sharing!
I appreciate the feedback... we are going to keep trucking a long, it has been a lot of fun so far and getting to know the bigger overland community a bit more has been awesome.
Born in the 80's so I call them rims! I love it. Born in the 50's with bias plies as the tech. 13, 14 and 15" rims. I had friends who thought radials were voodoo. When we were poor (most of my youth) we would look for "blems" for the vehicles. Tires were amazingly tough even back then. Keep it coming!
In Australia we have the same problem with people wanting these large rims. Going for 20” or 22” rims. Then complaining about how they dent the rims or keep getting bogged because they won’t air down when off road. Because they don’t won’t to damage a rim.
16 and 17” rims are the goto rim most of the time here. Tyre sizes will depend on what the local state authorities say is legal to use. Most states up to 35s is allowed. 37s if you got the money to pay for the engineering to be done.
If your touring you need to remember most of the country towns will cater for the locals in tyre and rim sizes. You destroy a large tyre or rim you may be waiting a week for a replacement to shipped in for you.
What looks good at the school pickup is crap when you use the vehicle for its intended purpose.
So true. I try to leave people alone on their style choices... but it is weird when you try and pull a style element into the bush that really has a lot of downside.
I got all terrain tires because of the sidewalls chords. BF Goodrich for my Tacoma!
I thought I knew alot but I learned alot watching this video. Thanks.
Some good information here. Tires really are a rabbit hole of info.
When buying trailer tires I really went down the whole. You want tire that can handle the weight.
Yeah - this is one of those areas nobody ever understand the details....
Just getting started into the hobby myself, and I can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this.
Have fun Viktor... that is the most important thing. Just get out there and explore and figure out what you need to dial things in along the way. Glad the videos are helpful.
Thanks for the info. I have a new F-150 with 20 inch rims and I'm going to 17's and I've been struggling to figure out what size tire and rim offset to get. This has helped me sort some of that out. Appreciate it!
Glad it was helpful - I just put out a video on how to select the right All-Terrain Tire for your actual use today... might be worth a quick look as you figure out tires.
Unbelievably helpful...thanks a million!
Happy it was useful!
dude; just watched this (second video of yours i've watched; first was about coil overs) and I have to say all of this is EXTREMELY helpful.... thank you for dropping facts and data... love it. appreciate it! Cheers from phoenix az
Awesome, glad it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
Thanks for this video and for being a voice of reason when it comes to giving tire purchasing advice.
This guy knows his stuff. Thanks for the informative vids Nathan. I've probably binged 10 of them in the last 24hours
i picked up the kenda klever rt’s 35x12.5x17’s for my 2022 tundra and they are fantastic for off and on road and are well rated for snow…
Awesome video! I am actually trying to decide what tires and “rims” to go with myself for my Tundra. I always grew up calling them rims too! Haha
Good luck with your build. I love my Tundra.
just got the overland bug, and my 14 tundra is appreciating all the of the advise
You have a great channel. You get right to the point and good delivery. Very organized and concise. Great info bud.
Thanks 🙏- We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
Hey Nathan, thanks for the great information. That 90/10 split you talk about describes my situation. I'll be on some gnarly trails, but I'll have to drive 2,000 highway miles to get to them! I sure do appreciate your channel.
Thanks for watching... I really appreciate it. Good luck with your travels.
Just started watching and following you this week. Way more information than I've gotten anywhere else. Just watched this one and also the re-gearing one and I love that you have a Tundra and not a Jeep like all the other forums and videos. thanks for all the information and keeping it simple. You are way underrated and should have a WHOLE lot more followers
Tundras rule
Hey Nathan, great video. The only thing that I didn’t agree with is that you should never cross rotate meaning putting your left front onto the right front side because you can get wander problems. Always bring the tires from the rear straight up then cross rotate the fronts to the back. That way the tires will always hit all corners but your never crossing the steering tires right away.
Hmm... interesting. I will have to look into that. Thanks 🙏
Agree! This is the right way! The owner's manual of toyota hilux has a clear icon
Love this series, just bought my first 4 runner no idea where to start and this has been great
4runners are super capable even stock... I'd start by getting out on some trails and see if you need anything at all...
Great stuff Nathan.
I'm a 57yo newbie at this . Love your 90/10 theory. You've confirmed several of my choices as well as educated me on future decisions, like making sure the spare matches.
I'm now a subscriber.
Cheers
Awesome, glad it was helpful. We have a whole run of videos coming… starting this week.
If you go international check out the sizes readily available on some of the countries you will be crossing. You don't want to spend 3 weeks waiting for a weird size going trough customs. That is why I stick to stock, even in the most basic shops I can find what I need and continue my trip easy. If you stay inside one country, well developed, like US or Canada, sure, you have more options.
This is one of the best videos I've seen. It's extremely informative and the information is all useful. Like you said I thought I knew and I did I knew the old information. But so much has changed. I wish I could still just put 31-10 50s on a 15 inch rim on solid axles front and rear and go. But turning trucks into grocery getters has messed everything up. I subscribed but once I find a way to do it because it doesn't show it on my phone yours will be the only Channel that I get notifications for if you put out content like this.
Yes this video runs deep into the weeds but I’m researching to build an over landing vehicle vs off reading and this vid was very informative. Thanks for sharing and will watch the entire series. 👍👍👍
Thanks for the feedback... when I made this one I was actually really curious if people would actually watch it... wasn't sure if people cared enough to really understand Wheels and tires true impact on a build. Seems like there is quite a crowd that actually wants to know this stuff thankfully cause this video took a ton of time to make 😳
Pls more videos like this because I'm learning a lot of overlanding
Will do, more in the works. Just make sure to Subscribe and it will notify you when they drop.
Tires are very important, when going off paved roads. Great topic
LOL 😂
Rather than worry about load index, add a smaller wheel so you can air down and get traction!! Large diameter wheels on an off-road vehicle are silly. I'm searching for 17" now to add to my tundra that came with 18's. More rubber is a nicer ride & takes up some of the wear & tear on the suspension.
Great video. One thing you didn't mention was steel vs. aluminum wheels. You touched on rolling weight and the difference it makes, but one benefit of steel wheels is that they can often by pounded back to an air-holding shape on a trail, where are aluminum wheel might end up cracked.
Great point... I still love steel wheels for this reason... but I also drive a Tundra that doesn't really have power issues...
I definitely learned something new. Your explanations are important things I honestly haven't seen anywhere else. You've earned yourself a new subscriber. Much obliged.
Thanks for watching... we are trying hard to get videos out that cover some of the blank space out there.
Thank you! I learned a few things about tires that I never bothered checking on. I also ran and checked the speed rating on my Tacoma tires after you mentioned that. No reason why I checked...
thanks for the realistic view and input!
Helpful info! Thanks for putting it together. Not sure the music is needed when you’re getting technical on things but maybe that’s just me.
Noted. Thanks for the feedback. I think some music would be good... but probably quieter and more background like.
@@OutdoorAuto I turned on the closed caption because the background music distracted me and I really wanted to focus on what you were saying. Great content.
Excellent content! I may have know most of it but it was a great refresher and picked up some tidbits! Thanks!
I need people like you to watch my stuff for quality control... thanks!.... I don't know everything.
GREAT VIDEO BROTHER!! Wish I’d of seen this when I purchased my tires. I’d of bought 5. Waited 4 months due to the pandemic to get my spare BFG. SUBSCRIBED
When I was young I never had a full size spare... it’s a big relief when you finally have one you can count on.
This was a great video and helped me to solidify going with 255/85 vs the 285/75. Thanks and keep up the great work
So glad it was helpful - I have a video coming out next week on how too plan out overland builds... it might be helpful as well.
Glad you made an extended explanation on tires, im learning a lot on overlanding
Honestly was worried whether people would watch this... it is very technical... but some of it is very important.
Great info, really liking the series. I liked the advice about the spare, I was just thinking about this as I price out tires. My one work around for now, or that I will consider anyways, is to keep a steel basic wheel on the spare with whatever reasonable full size tire I can out on it...BUT it will always go on the rear if offset is an issue. The front is the only place you'll have problems, so you change two tires instead of one, but that's ok. Then go directly to a tire shop for repair or replacement. And have plug kits as you said, only recently learned about those too.
As a side note, I'm hating how so many after market wheels for my F150 are 12mm to 18mm offset when stock is 44mm, I don't need the bro stance on my overland rig, like you said, it's function first. Trying hard to find maybe 25mm to 30's if I can so I know I can run a 1" taller tire at the original 275 width without rubbing issues after a 1.5 to 2.0 in coilover level
Great point on being able to move a tire if your spare is rubbing. That would probably cover 90% of situations... unless somebody went really big and the offset pushed it way out.
This was great! Reminded me of automotive school. Solid video.
A very informative video. I have been 4-wheelin for over 30-years, and there were definitely things I did not know that were covered here. Thanks!
Glad I stumbled on this channel. Great useful information.
Awesome... that is the goal... try to make useful content.
Great video! Not everybody know at least half of what you went over. Keep going!
Thanks for the feedback. We have more videos in the works... We will keep it going as long as this community keeps comeback for more. :)
Man i love your bids, i run a 13 tundra crewmax too. Love the vids helps me alot doing upgrades . Hope to see you on the trail.
Thank you Nathen.I'm all about getting the lightest tire possible. The rotational weight is interesting and something I did not consider.
Thank you.
Solid information.
Great video / discussion. Thank you for sharing!
Great info and thank you. I have all terrain KO2s on my tundra 275/65/18, I love the power from staying stock size and I can still off-road and air down with a lot of traction. Like you said, the MT AT tire debate is all based on what purpose you use your vehicle for and ultimately your budget. Don’t buy stuff for attention.
You got it! Spend your money on what you need and then spend the rest on adventure.
I am new to this and mostly drive my Tacoma still as main vehicle, but looking to go to 17s and lift a bit more after my last trip to Utah.
Check out toy tech lifts… they have a variety of brands and lifts… I feel like they are pretty objective cause they have so many brands.
FYI a wooden yardstick is a great tool to keep in your vehicle to scrap snow and mud out from the inside of your wheels.
Great video, Nathan! I have a 2004 Chevy Trailblazer EXT that I just installed a leveling kit on. I really like the way it sits and rides now. On the GM 360T platform vehicles, the camber and caster is set by adjusting the position of the lower control arm bracket in it's pocket in the frame. The tire store got it all in the green except for the caster on the right side, which is only off by 0.3 degrees, meaning the bracket couldn't be slid any further towards the rear of the vehicle in it's pocket. I don't think that will cause much of an issue. I will be needing new tires before winter, and I'm thinking of going with 265/70R17 Firestone Destination A/T2's. Total out the door for 4 tires will be about $915. Stock tires size for my truck is 245/65R17, so the new tires will be 2" taller than stock. If you try to run 265's on a stock Trailblazer, you will hit the upper ball joint. So to run the 265's I will be getting some Bora 1-1/2" aluminum spacers, total cost for a set of 4 is right at $300. And once the 265's are on there I will be needing the headlights re-aimed, which costs about $70. So there's $1,285 for new shoes.
This project started out as a simple suspension replacement. What happened?
Thank you for such an informative video.
Thanks, for this! I’m looking to find a nice all-terrain tire for my 2020 4Runner. It has a leveling kit. Might put a small lift later.
info overload! However, I was 100% correct on the tires I chose for my application! Nitto Terra Grappler 275/60/R20 !
Yeah, this was definitely a long video... I tried to chapter the heck out of it to save ppl that only needed to check one or two things.
@@OutdoorAuto But it was all great info- I learned a lot so the length wasn't a bother.
I don't know if anyone else mentioned it, but you didn't ay anything about PSI. Now, my tires were at about 45 PSI when I got them, but I did the chalk test and dropped them to 30 PSI for normal driving. Not to mention when you are on the trails you drop them even more depending on what you are doing. Might be a good addendum video.
Yeah... psi almost needs its own video... it can affect load index, and definitely affects traction off-road.
@@OutdoorAuto A video on PSI would be great. Could show a chalk test. Airing down sounds simple but there are some tricks you could discuss; Do it before you get stuck not after, handy equipment (pressure gauge, preset deflaters, spare valve stems, air compressor), how low is too low and how you know. I'm sure you've got plenty of material but a PSI video could be pretty practical and very low cost. I do like videos on how to use your gear instead of how to spend more money.
Great video! Clear, concise, to the point. Thanks for all the time you obviously put into it (and all of your vids)!
Thanks! This one definitely took some time.
Been debating and I’m actually considering all season highway tires since 95% of my driving is on pavement. Michelin defenders seem to work pretty well for light off road duty
It is hard to go wrong when you actually start buying stuff for what you actually do.
I like the bonus of a stuck Gladiator cuz all the Jeep fans say Jeeps are the best. Can’t wait to see what it is.
It is a pretty interesting... My favorite part is when a guy in the background says "it's trying to get a ride".
I used to work for Continental and General, I’m TIA instructor certified and I still work on the dealer side. This video is an awesome explanation that so many people need to learn. Just a heads up on the dual tire load rating, it is actually lower due to extra heat created by having two tires running right next to each other.
Heat is a much better explanation than the one I got from a tech... thanks for the clarification. I gotta be honest, I have never owned a dually.
@@OutdoorAuto yeah you run into those questions a lot more in the commercial world and with 19.5 tires. Basically air pressure affects how fast a tire can run and also how much weight it can carry. The higher pressure stops the sidewall from flexing as much when put under load. That flexing creates the most amount of heat inside of a tire (you can check with thermal imaging) so to carry more weight you’d need to adjust air pressure AND reduce speed.
fantastic stuff....new sub!
Thank you! Very informative.
The dually number also accounts for crown in the road. The two inside tires have more load on them.
Ah interesting… that makes sense.
So much detail I never knew about . Appreciate it!
I heard the Mickey Thompson Baja boss all terrain and mud terrain have the same exact construction
Great video Nathan! Would really like to see a video all about GVWR and ways to possibly increase the number. I cant find a good video that addresses why or why you can’t increase GVWR. Thanks!
GAWR in a lot of ways is the most important one to understand cause that one can get you in trouble. This is a great article that explains GAWR and then has the link in it to walk through GVWR once GAWR is understood. Hope it helps... pretty confusing stuff until it is spelled out. I actually talked to a tire shop about these terms for the video and they gave me bad info... so apparently a lot of people don't understand it. auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/vehicle/gawr.htm
Nathan Mueller, thanks for links, very helpful. Guess the only way to improve GAWR is to upgrade the axel itself. But even then, upgrading brakes and suspension are probably necessary too. Building an overlander and staying within the weight limits is proving to be pretty hard on a 2012 Wrangler Sport. Rubicon would be a better choice bc of the upgraded axel but still difficult. Thanks again!
This video was very helpful, thank you for sharing!
Great video, super informative tire info. I've got a 2012 GMC Sierra that I came with a 4" rancho lift on it when I bought it, however my father in law wouldn't part with the aftermarket 20" rims he bought to go with the lift. Long story short I've got OE 20" wheels (I call them rims too) with 295's wrapped around them and because they're not the aftermarket rims I've got rubbing on the upper control arm in tight turns on the tire sidewall. The Rancho 4" lift install instructions say factory 20's with 275's will work or 17x8 with 5.5" backspace will fit 315's (I don't want 315's 295's is where I'd like to stay)
I'm trying to find 17's steelies that meet this spec and it's not been an easy thing to find. The only 2 I can find close to that spec are spare tire style looking wheels in 18x8 w/5.48 backspace.
I guess my question is.... Is 5.48" of back space going to clear the upper control arm if I'm not going all the way up to the 315's Rancho says will fit?
What are your thoughts on spacers? I've been opposed to them just from friends experiences with cheap ones and having bolts you can't check without removing the wheel. Maybe it's the only way to get the fitment I need with this lift on this truck.
Any opinions/advice would be appreciated.
Keep creating content!
great info, superb! However, the slight background music is a bit overbearing for me. I will struggle thru it to get the info though lol.
Can you do a video for 4x2 truck owners wanting to camp as remote as truck will allow? I’m just looking to drive on trails, no technical stuff. I’m thinking I’ll start slow, would like to start w bare necessities (whatever that may be). Awesome content, no ego - thanks
I think we could cover some stuff for 4x2 when we cover recoveries. If you don't go on really crazy stuff you should be fine. Just don't have bald tires and get a cheap pair of recover boards to get you more traction on the 2 tires that do turn when you get stuck... that is the main thing I would add if I was always out there in 2wd - these are very affordable and work great - amzn.to/38KrlBb
@@OutdoorAuto thanks!!
Very helpful video! We''re still debating our tire and wheel options (well all of our build options really) and this was great food for thought.
Glad it was helpful! That is the goal.
Excellent info thanks!
Thanks for watching 🙏
Really??!! You post this today! I literally picked up my tires yesterday. WTF!
LOL JK! I did just pick up my new tires yesterday & they are stacked in my 850 sf apartment waiting on back ordered rims. Yes, I’m old enough that I call them rims as well. 👍🏼 Just started my build & glad to see someone else with a full size truck posting info. 2018 F150 SuperCrew w/ a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel here. Went with Toyo Open County AT III’s (35x12.5 R18 118R). Watched the lift video you did as well. I’m going with the BDS 4” suspension lift & the Falcon Teraflex 4-6” sport tow haul shock system. Hopefully set up by Christmas pending deliveries & back orders... Thx for posting & keep the videos coming!!
Sounds like a cool build. Those Toyos are awesome tires... just watch if you every get too heavy and tow. 118 Weight index can start to be light for a full size if you do too much.
Who would have thought? metric rating actually gives you the right outcome for load considerations! Yep, in Aus the sticker is on the B pillar....but a lot less detailed than the American version.
Really nice informative video
Liked and subscribed, super good info 👌🏼
Awesome, thank you!
Your videos are very informative and well thought out, new sub enjoying your channel.
Thanks... I try and the overland community helps me out.
Great job Nate
Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
Great information, Keep it up sir! And it will forever be rims. :)
Awesome, hope it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
Gosh I wish i found this video sooner. I am currently running a P metric General ATX which I have been very happy with. But lately Ive been putting more weight stress on my Tundra and now Im concerned that the tires will not live up to its warranty. Definately going to step up to load range E1.
Great video! Helpful info. Love the Trabant on the wall.
Thanks. That Trabant has a great story behind it... I will have to do a video on it some day.
I know im late to the party but could you do a short video on beadlocks when you need them when you dont. Alternatives, beadgrip, icon rebound pro, vs normal.
The 3000 mile rotation is required if you have a solid axle with any kind of aggressive tires. It's the only way they will wear evenly.
Great video. Thanks for making it. Personally I was distracted by the piano in the background but otherwise fantastic info.
I need to find some better background music. So far I’m not impressed with the music tools out there. I need to figure something out there for sure.
Ha! I did learn something; The dually rating number. Watch out for cheapo plug kits, the handles bend and break.
If that is the only thing you learned... then you know your stuff. 👍
Great video Nathan, keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Great tire size
Eventually I will go down to a 17" rim. Its funny I still remember having 35's on 15" rims on my old toyota pickup.
Extremely informative and to the point this is some good shit👌
Thanks for watching
The door sticker only tells you gross weight for 2006+ at least thats when it was mandated, some did before
New subscriber here, really enjoyed this video and a few others that I just watched!
Awesome! Thank you!
another excellent video! I learned a lot!!!
Awesome... sorry it was so long... I tried to cut it down and keep things moving... there was just a lot to cover.
Really good video
Thanks!
Thankyou for a great presentation on off-road tires!
Good stuff. Should also talk about the yellow and red dots that are on tires for proper balancing, dual air valves and the heavy spot on every wheel (where the TPMS is). Don’t forget about runout marked wheels and wheel max load rating. :)
There really is a lot to cover... already this video was almost too long. Maybe a PSI video with a few of these... plus more detail on offsets for a part 2 someday.