CHECK OUT OUR TRIP VIDEO FROM SOUTHERN UTAH - Lots of trail highlights & Recovery Practice Running trails rated from 7 - 12!!! ua-cam.com/video/fKdO5pzywAM/v-deo.html
It's kind a funny... I actually don't want all my favorite spots to fill up with people... but if there was ever something our world needs right now it is for more people to just get out there, find some peace and relax. I think there are more people interested in these types of activities than ever before and just a lot of people really new to the scene... So I figured I would try and be useful.
Can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear a well-reasoned discussion of equipment and training from an experienced driver, instead of the usual gushing from a mere enthusiast. I'm a subscriber now -- and I drive a 4x2 SUV! But for someone like me who plans to take more back (and back-back) roads, the principles you emphasize are even more important. Thanks a million!
That list was extremely well-reasoned, exactly what I was looking for to verify the validity of my next upgrades! Thank you, sir! Edit: item 5a. I might add would be a good air compressor. Airing down on the trail is attainable by any off-roader and can be essential!
Great point in the air compressor... one of those things you get away with in a group but if you are solo it is basically a must have. I started with a cheap air compressor around $100... it was super slow but did the job.
Once you se others do it in 5 minutes all 4. Ya kinda of look down on your cheap 10 minutes a tire air compressor. But hey, I'm still rockin that shitty thing !
Your content is far above most people on UA-cam with what you talk about how you present it and the thought you put into it, seriously. Love it man. I liked how you mention affordability. Idea for another video soon.... I have a taco which over two years has gotten tremendous use off road, a lot of people don’t realize the abuse that happens and a good video on common Toyota or IFS truck wear out issues would be great for people. Or talking about the importance of LEARNING how to fix simple things that wear out.
I love this video Idea... will ad it to the list for sure. Thank you for the feedback on the channel, It has been a wild ride... when we started we had no editing exp, no cameras and no idea what we were doing... just recognized a gap in this space and for some reason thought we could possibly fill it. I am looking forward to the future... we have so many ideas that just take time to film and get out.
whom ever reads this, Nathan is 100% bang on with the rock sliders. I like to do medium technical trails, small boulders and some medium rock climbs with my 5th gen 4runner, sliders have saved my ass multiples times in a single year. they've paid for themselves 5 times over now, at least. would've been THOUSANDS of dollars in repairs had I not been equipped with rock sliders.
I definitely agree with this, and good explanation for the items .. I thought for sure you were going to say lift and wheels as the 100% needs like so many have.. but like you have explained, good spotting/tire placement/ rock stacking/ and experience you can get away with smaller clearances.. it also makes for a more exciting time while out on the trails. The only thing that does suck about having a rig that makes you keep 100% focus on the trail is that you tend to miss the beauty of your surroundings and just all the scenic views. Very good break down for this and 100% agree. I am here because my wife is wanting to have an overland build so we can both go out off the grid and enjoy the world like we should. I'm 100% big on the rock climbing after being introduced to it after we bought my wifes jeep which opened the door to the world of off roading that I didn't even realize existed like it does. Unfortunately for my wife is I ended up going a tiny crazy with her daily driver and she is ready to have her own vehicle that I won't mess with, so we're going to get her the Colorado zr2 and do some bolt ons and get ready for the type of off road she likes which is the overland style. Great video, very informative. Good job!
I learn so much in every one of his videos and its a nice change of pace. Normally it takes numerous videos from other youtubers to learn something that isn't just common sense
This was FANTASTIC advise. I've just picked up a Tacoma O.R. that I'm adding some stuff to, and i really appreciate this review vs. most others that basically say to throw everything amazing and expensive on your truck (especially those light bars!!!).
Thanks for having the courage to say you don’t need $300 traction boards! I was saving up for maxtrax and did the math I could trash my bargain boards and replace them over three times or afford to have three pairs for the same price. Maybe for big extreme expedition vehicles it matters but not for the average person.
I think there are a lot of Overland Accessories like this... I have nothing against the Expensive stuff, it is usually amazing and well thought out... but definitely not necessary. The New MaxTrax Extremes are $500... which is just crazy to me... that makes the ARB Tred Pros look like a Bargain at $250... I think the deal is most people are casual overlanders and the $60 - $70 ones are more than enough.
I bought FieryRed Recovery Traction Boards I went a middle of the road for cost because I'm afraid cold weather might crack cheaper plastic. Love them and zero issues
I have the 60$ amazon ones, and they work just fine, cold hot. And we've had some bigger vehicles use them, and they work really well. Its a poor mans winch haha
Nathan, I really appreciate all of the information you share. I have been looking at traction boards and was worried to try the cheaper sets, but after hearing what you had to say about them I am going to give the X-Bulls a try. I could go through a few pair for the cost of a set of max trax, and the added thickness sound great to help when you have to stack rocks.
Nice to have: 5. Suspension Lift 4. High Clearance Front Bumper Need to have: 3. Largest Tires You Can Fit WITHOUT RUBBING 2. Traction Boards Of Some Kind 1. Rock Sliders (don't get a bolt-on "step" that won't support the weight of your vehicle) (skid plates are great, but get sliders first priority) Personal Note: I like the GoTreads for small pack size and the ability to make it "thicker" when folded for exactly the reason stated in the video.
The only suspension mod I’ll be adding to our (my) 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, double cab 6’ bed with the premium and technology pkgs is Add a Leaf on the rear. Over 90% of the time my TRD is on regular roads and freeways. The other 10% of the time, it’s mild off roading on Forest and logging roads. We (our friends included) are about seeing the beautiful landscape and scenery of the PNW as well as getting me to my favorite fishing spots and hiking trails. We do mild to moderate off roads. We’re not into rock crawling, stump jumping or deep water. We like to take the moderate BDR roads here in north central Washington state. The PNW is so beautiful. We’re the oldest people in our circle of friends who also enjoy mild to moderate 4wheeling. We’re not going to spend thousands of dollars on a pickup mods, unless it’s put into custom Leather seats from Katzkin, or interior trim pieces, dual exhaust systems, K&N cold air intake, custom 2 toned paint, power running boards, chrome wheels, etc. I don’t see why I would spend all that money for 10% of the time our (my) TRD is off road and 90% of the time it’s on the road to look great as a 1 of a kind pickup that I plan on driving until I can no longer drive or I’m dead.
Yep, another good one. Just took my family to Moab for the first time for all of us. We drove down to the lower viewpoint of Gemini Bridges and it was amazing! I can attest to the lift nice to have but I’d say required to have if you don’t have rock sliders and care about that entire lower area. I’m running 35” general tires without body mount chop. Got away with that by installing icon upper control arms and have very little rubbing but will soon be getting the add stealth front bumper. Also have a level but will soon be doing an icon stage upgrade. This is a great start to this topic of what is needed and the “depends on what you’re doing” is the slippery slope of spare tires, high jack, tools etc.
Air compressor! Finally discovered the joys of airing down . Got a 1 ton van stuck in a wash. The traction boards were going to get me out but the way I got stuck ' i got stuck going DOWN the wash meant it was probably going to take a while. After trundling forward 10 ft at a time I aired down and literally scooted out of there. I'm a believer now:)
Just found this channel and have been binge watching. Thank you so much for all the info. Great stuff. Getting my 2020 Chevy Trail boss ready for the more intense terrain.
I just bought a 2009 Tundra last week and I'm planning to build it out for some family overlanding adventures. My first big mods will be wheels & tires, suspension and basic gear to do some beginner trails up here in the PNW. Your content has been super helpful in figuring things out!
After watching your videos, I think I might get either the ome or icon stage 6 or 7. My Tundra is a daily/ overlanding offroad rig for the next 4 years. I will be stationed on Japan for 3 years, but come home every year for an overlanding trip. I do plan to buy a new Tundra in 4 years though, but until then, I do love your videos bro. It helps me out with my build by narrowing my options, and even understanding the different setup builds and options and technology.
As always terrific simple knowledge that we can all use. On the 3rd gen tundras (I have a 23 limited crewmax) I was able to fit 34 no rub and stock suspension (I don't have the trd pro.) It will really depend on the width of tires. I could be wrong on my math tho I'm running 275/65R20.
I am just about done replacing parts from my first real offroad run I did back in March. Messed up my rear bumper, scratched the hell out of my front bumper and damaged my drivers side panel a little. It's still a little bent out of shape, but it's not really noticeable. The worst damage I did that night could have been avoided with Rock Sliders, which I now have. That night I had running boards. I bent both sides beyond repair. My rear door wouldn't open because the running boards were bent up and blocking the door. I did body damage to my truck from rolling over a tree stump on one side and a rock on the other. Cannot stress enough the importance of rock sliders. I actually got lucky that my damage was really only cosmetic, on the sides. I have since replaced my front bumper, installed rock sliders, and I am still waiting on my rear bumper. I bought C4 Fabrication stuff. No more messing around.
Those step/running boards are the worse... they give ppl a false sense of security. Sad you had to go through all of that but sounds like you are setup now.
Good job on the video. Sliders vs. Skid Plates.......Like you said, consider the type of trails you run. I have a mostly stock Colorado Z71. I added skid plates and riding the forest service roads in Virginia, I am glad I have those skid plates.
You make a good point... it does depend on the trails you run. Which you should do first. I deal with a lot of Shelf and Step driving so as long as I have sliders and I offset my tires ever so slightly the sliders take the full brunt of the hits. I haven't wheeled enough in the East to know what those trails need. Hopefully getting out there next year.
Took a new stock Power Wagon (but with sliders and diff guards) up Top of the Word in 2018. On a RAM 2500 the lowest parts of the truck are the differentials. The diff covers are not very tough, and if you damage one enough to leak then it's going to be a bad day. So front and rear diff guards would be on my list of essentials. I rolled back on Top of the World clearing an obstacle and put a nice nice ding in the rear diff guard when the truck came to a sudden and complete stop on a rock.
Great videos, I've watched quite a few so far. I have 2019 Tundra, been wanting to do 18s with 35s an a 3-4" lift to get out and do some more camping. But I'm wondering, did you do anything to your differentials? I've been told with the 35s bigger front and rear diffs are needed. So far I haven't seen anything in your videos talking about that yet.
I always advise people to get tires and sliders 1st, they can enjoy a really good entry to running trails with those 2 items, and then if they enjoy the sport begin additional modifications to suit their driving. The only other thing I really consider to be a must is a good basic set of recovery gear, I.E. a couple straps, 2-3 Crosby shackles, and 1-2 soft shackles. Again, if they continue to upgrade, they can add more, but straps and shackles help tremendously. Great video, thanks!
I’m just a Hunter who wants to get into the back country and go further on foot. I’m in a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro and yes in less than 1 month I put Rock Sliders on, I have Max Trax Boards. I do know my 4Runner is way more capable than any of my past pickup trucks I have had in the past.
Currently in this exact predicament 3rd gen 4runner. Being my tires are toast I'm doing them first, then next is skid plates and rock sliders (same time). Then front bumper and winch.
That's a good summary. Here are a few quick additions from my experience. For production IFS vehicles, I'd add a traction control system or a rear locker to the must have list. The stock G80 in many GM vehicles is excellent and got me through the West Exit of Hell's Revenge in a near stock 2500hd. A Spartan locker is great for old Toyota IFS rigs. Moderately difficult trails require a bit of flex or a rear locker (traction control might be a substitute in mild conditions). Having both is a great nice to have, but make sure you have at least one. If you can keep all 4 on the ground, you have less need for lockers. Sliders or skid plates really depend on what form of factory stupid your vehicle has. On an older 2500hd, the rocker panels are way higher than the frame so both are just nice to have. On a vehicle where the bodywork fully hides the frame, sliders are a lot more important. Extended range tanks are very nice out in Moab - especially if you go further out.
Agree with the aux tank. Models for gasoline are hard to find. Most are rated for diesel. My Power Wagon has a 31 gallon tank, but it only gets 9 mpg. 30 gallons plus would be very confidence inspiring!
I’m locking to get a Ford Explorer timberline and doing all the research I can. Your channel has been helpful I want to take the explorer to amazing places to enjoy great adventures with my wife and kids. Any advice for using a suv would be appreciated
Thanks so much for the tips. Just purchased a chevy colorado z71, no lift, or fancy suspension/lift...yet. My first purchase...tires :) I was going to do lift/suspension next, but I'm gonna rethink this...rock sliders...hmmm.
Love your content and practical approach. One suggestion: almost all UA-camrs over-talk the subject. This would be stronger if you would script it and edit your comments to 1/2 the time.
Good feedback... I actually edit all my talk tracks and cut out a ton... but haven't made it to full scripting yet. Still figuring all this out... 3 -4 months ago I had never used a real camera or used Final Cut Pro... so its been a steep learning curve for sure. I always appreciate real feedback. If I actually did this full time it would be so much fun... the quality I could deliver... Unfortunately this doesn't pay the bills. Maybe someday. I will work on it though. Thanks again.
Agree that traction boards are the essential item. I don't have a winch but I've been scratching my head wondering when I would ever need one. Been stuck dozens of times.
I've had good luck with Maxsas. One pair is falling apart and has numerous cracks and other signs of damage but has been heavily used and is still working fine.I did invest in Maxtrax and was surprised at how dense they were. Hopefully they are a 10 year board.
I have a stock super duty as my tow vehicle, I thought it was a off road worrier with its diff lock and fx4 package, I took it sledding with the kids and slid into a ditch as I was turning around. With road tires nothing else mattered, I was spinning like crazy! Bfg is next up! Ps I also live in the gem state and hope to see you in the mountains sometime!
Just got my first Power Wagon (2021), what upgrades would you recommend? It comes with OEM rock sliders I'm not sure if those are good enough. I plan on putting on 35s as soon as the 33s are warn out.
There are several things in life that you should never skimp or compromise on. Protective equipment and recovery gear are a few of those. Always buy the very best you can afford
Buy once cry once. A off road recovery (tow) if no one is around may not happen, and if they are is extremely expensive (think a couple of sets of traction boards). Also don't get over your head on a trail. Better to turn around then do damage or get stuck. A-holes like to damage stuck vehicles thinking they are abandoned.
No portable compressor yet. However, I do have an old SCUBA tank I use to air my tires back up. The joy of having multiple hobbies. Now if only I had a cargo chute I could try a Tacoma BASE jump.
I'm a big fan of lockers, it improves your control on the trail. When you have to use momentum to get up things instead of traction it can get dangerous.
Oh Man, I hear yah... can't wait to get them in the Tundra... we intend to continue doing really rough trails and I am excited to have my easy button back.
Done right that can definitely work... I have seen it go wrong pretty bad when people overestimated how far forward they could get. That is the hard part about Recovery Videos... everything can be so situational.
Nate question so this is what my local off road park has as rules Green trail: 4wd vehicle with factory or welded tow points (a tow ball DOES NOT qualify) please have adequate recovery or repair equipment & tools. Tow straps MUST NOT have any steel hooks. Blue Trail- 31″- 33″ tires, one locker and winch recommended. Tow points MANDATORY Black Trail- 33-35″ tire minimum, one locker and winch, tow points required. 2 lockers and body armor recommended. Do these rules mean I need to have mods to go off roading?
Very good information, my tundra is on skinny stock tires and I can still enjoy some trails and you’re right my rock sliders saved my ass many times. Are you regeared because of the 35s? If not, do you feel a power loss?
I like your stuff, man. Very practical. A nice break from all these stupid vids that think you should throw $20k at your truck before they even leave the pavement.
Thanks. I have a lot of new videos coming soon... been working on finishing a shop so I can actually shoot videos in the winter months. Excited to get the new stuff out. I have a full budget build series I have been working on.
Totally agree... I guess I was thinking of Mods to the actual vehicle (which of course can be a compressor)... but I was thinking of them more as accessories... but then I threw in the recovery boards as the outlier. So, yes... great feedback... I need to do a whole video on PSI, Air down, air up, compressors and tire Bead issues.
@@OutdoorAuto The reason I mentioned the air compressor. Is a stock vehicle can go do a lot more than people realise. Rock sliders, RATED RECOVERY POINTS ( to many people die every year. Using manufacturers tow/tie down points or the tow ball) with the necessary recovery equipment ,air compressor and recovery board’s. That basically stock vehicle will get you out there enjoying the tracks. I do hate how manufacturers are putting stupid bulky bumpers on their vehicles though. It was a good vid. Looking forward to more.👍
I used my Crosstrek as an ice breaker more than once. Now that it is going to be my fun vehicle, it will get a new front bumper after my Tacoma gets its sliders and bumpers.
Wish I would have seen this video before I purchased my tundra. I love my 2019 cement grey limited, and wanted to build a capable trail rig, but I'm starting to think the selling point of the truck is now a downfall. The truck has a 6" "drop cross member" lift, although with 35" tires, it only sits 3-1/4" higher than stock (according to the hitch measurements). I have plans to replace the small spacers sitting on top of the factory shocks with Icons or OME coilovers, but now it seems like the drop crossmember lift (which seems irreversible) is a "no-go" for overlanding. Has that been your experience in seeing other rigs out on the trails?
@@OutdoorAuto Really? Now that I am interested in. Don't you have to do some crazy mods to make that work? The shocks going up into the bed, etc? I was going to consider it, but I don't want to lose my truck bed. I would miss my Decked drawers too much.
@@manbikepig7308 No you can do it without but you do have to chop a lot out and build your own mounts. Check out TAV Stage 3 Tundra builds... they have it down pretty solid.
Great info as always. I was able to do quite a bit at Hidden falls with my stock Tundra. Did exactly what you mention here... Slow.. good lines.. And "Stocking a Rack" lol -
I have actually been testing some of their other recovery gear and have been pleasantly surprised... good stuff and affordable... currently using their soft shackles.
@@OutdoorAuto glad to hear I’m not the only one. They seem like a great intermediate price between the Chinese knock offs and the high end ARB/Maxtraxx/phase 5, etc.
Don't forget about comfort... You can always pick an easier line more suited to the vehicle you have, but you always need to eat, sleep, and poop. If you're comfortable, you'll have a good time. If you're miserable, no amount of vehicle mods will make the trip better.
Great point... I stress setup and tear down times a lot on the actual camping gear... if it is super annoying to setup camp... people talk themselves out of going... especially with Kids.
Zero disagreements with your list and I really like the 'dont spend all the money on mods attitude'. I would add something about jack use because it is a cheap and effective tool. The closer you are to stock the more likely you are to end up stuck on a dif. The ability to confidently jack up one end to stack under the wheels has bailed me (and people I've found) out a couple times. I feel like jacking, when and how, is a whole video (insert ____hub joke here).
Yeah - for sure. Recovery techniques almost need multiple videos because there is so much to know and practice depending on the available gear. I will have to get to that some day... but those video are hard cause I need to borrow a friend to film them...
Home run video. Tires, Tires, Tires, 33's and want 35's. 35's and want 37's. 37's and want 40's. Your Tundra is 20" more wheel base that my ZR2, I feel your pain.
Are trail riding trips considered “day trips”? Can you stay at hotels and then trail ride during the day? I don’t have interest in camping but still want to trail ride…thanks!
CHECK OUT OUR TRIP VIDEO FROM SOUTHERN UTAH - Lots of trail highlights & Recovery Practice Running trails rated from 7 - 12!!! ua-cam.com/video/fKdO5pzywAM/v-deo.html
What rock sliders do you use?
I feel like you really care about novices starting out on this journey. I appreciate your knowledge and your ability to share that knowledge with us.
It's kind a funny... I actually don't want all my favorite spots to fill up with people... but if there was ever something our world needs right now it is for more people to just get out there, find some peace and relax. I think there are more people interested in these types of activities than ever before and just a lot of people really new to the scene... So I figured I would try and be useful.
@@OutdoorAuto thanks for the blessings, brother 🙌
Can't tell you how refreshing it is to hear a well-reasoned discussion of equipment and training from an experienced driver, instead of the usual gushing from a mere enthusiast. I'm a subscriber now -- and I drive a 4x2 SUV! But for someone like me who plans to take more back (and back-back) roads, the principles you emphasize are even more important. Thanks a million!
That list was extremely well-reasoned, exactly what I was looking for to verify the validity of my next upgrades! Thank you, sir! Edit: item 5a. I might add would be a good air compressor. Airing down on the trail is attainable by any off-roader and can be essential!
Great point in the air compressor... one of those things you get away with in a group but if you are solo it is basically a must have. I started with a cheap air compressor around $100... it was super slow but did the job.
Once you se others do it in 5 minutes all 4. Ya kinda of look down on your cheap 10 minutes a tire air compressor.
But hey, I'm still rockin that shitty thing !
Agree with Tires and sliders as must haves! We also run Xbulls for boards. Love watching those full size trucks crawl a little!
Your content is far above most people on UA-cam with what you talk about how you present it and the thought you put into it, seriously. Love it man. I liked how you mention affordability.
Idea for another video soon.... I have a taco which over two years has gotten tremendous use off road, a lot of people don’t realize the abuse that happens and a good video on common Toyota or IFS truck wear out issues would be great for people. Or talking about the importance of LEARNING how to fix simple things that wear out.
I love this video Idea... will ad it to the list for sure. Thank you for the feedback on the channel, It has been a wild ride... when we started we had no editing exp, no cameras and no idea what we were doing... just recognized a gap in this space and for some reason thought we could possibly fill it. I am looking forward to the future... we have so many ideas that just take time to film and get out.
whom ever reads this, Nathan is 100% bang on with the rock sliders. I like to do medium technical trails, small boulders and some medium rock climbs with my 5th gen 4runner, sliders have saved my ass multiples times in a single year. they've paid for themselves 5 times over now, at least. would've been THOUSANDS of dollars in repairs had I not been equipped with rock sliders.
THanks Jared.... They are essential equipment and even more so on a full size rig.
Such refreshing candor and honesty. Really appreciate your vids
Great video with very helpful content. Keep it coming.
Solid advice! Great content, just drank and beer and watched the whole thing. Cheers. 🍻
Thanks for all the advice.. helps me a lot with the mods I need in my truck. Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
I love seeing the full-size overland rigs! Working on my Silverado 1500 and your videos have helped out tremendously! Thank you keep it up!
Another great video with valuable content/knowledge !
Thanks
Great videos and advice. I enjoy all your videos! Honest and very clear on details.
Glad you like them!
Great work my friend. Loving the backdrop as always! Keep it up!
Thanks... Miss you guys.
Great video with valuable content/knowledge ! Thank you...
Thanks for watching
Super helpful channel for a newbie like myself. Looking forward to getting out on the trail.
Awesome... that is what we are going for... trying to get useful info out there.
Thanks for sharing, learning lots of good stuff 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching.
I definitely agree with this, and good explanation for the items .. I thought for sure you were going to say lift and wheels as the 100% needs like so many have.. but like you have explained, good spotting/tire placement/ rock stacking/ and experience you can get away with smaller clearances.. it also makes for a more exciting time while out on the trails. The only thing that does suck about having a rig that makes you keep 100% focus on the trail is that you tend to miss the beauty of your surroundings and just all the scenic views.
Very good break down for this and 100% agree. I am here because my wife is wanting to have an overland build so we can both go out off the grid and enjoy the world like we should. I'm 100% big on the rock climbing after being introduced to it after we bought my wifes jeep which opened the door to the world of off roading that I didn't even realize existed like it does. Unfortunately for my wife is I ended up going a tiny crazy with her daily driver and she is ready to have her own vehicle that I won't mess with, so we're going to get her the Colorado zr2 and do some bolt ons and get ready for the type of off road she likes which is the overland style.
Great video, very informative. Good job!
Nice rig! I love my rock sliders. Needed them many times while out alone. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do Cement Taco!
I ALWAYS learn something from you. Keep the great content coming!
Thanks 🙏
I learn so much in every one of his videos and its a nice change of pace. Normally it takes numerous videos from other youtubers to learn something that isn't just common sense
Rock Sliders are all we had on our little 93 Pickup on 31.5s and that thing went EVERYWHERE our Tacomas couldn't!
Great video man keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching 🙏
subscribed because of this video. Thank you.
Thanks for the ... hopefully the video is helpful
Great topic. Sharp looking truck!
Thanks! 👍
This was FANTASTIC advise. I've just picked up a Tacoma O.R. that I'm adding some stuff to, and i really appreciate this review vs. most others that basically say to throw everything amazing and expensive on your truck (especially those light bars!!!).
Awesome… hope it was helpful.
Great info. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Great video Nate!!!
Thanks 🙏
What a great looking truck! I’m so glad the YT algorithm suggested your channel. This was quite the informative video.
Awesome, we have a whole new set of videos coming out over the next couple weeks.
Excellent video, learned a lot!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for having the courage to say you don’t need $300 traction boards! I was saving up for maxtrax and did the math I could trash my bargain boards and replace them over three times or afford to have three pairs for the same price. Maybe for big extreme expedition vehicles it matters but not for the average person.
I think there are a lot of Overland Accessories like this... I have nothing against the Expensive stuff, it is usually amazing and well thought out... but definitely not necessary. The New MaxTrax Extremes are $500... which is just crazy to me... that makes the ARB Tred Pros look like a Bargain at $250... I think the deal is most people are casual overlanders and the $60 - $70 ones are more than enough.
I bought
FieryRed Recovery Traction Boards I went a middle of the road for cost because I'm afraid cold weather might crack cheaper plastic. Love them and zero issues
I have the 60$ amazon ones, and they work just fine, cold hot. And we've had some bigger vehicles use them, and they work really well. Its a poor mans winch haha
You well wear the nubs off any board made, the spendy ones just last longer. I've seen peeps use pop rivets to replace worn out plastic nubs.
@@toyotabros6860 great to know, do you happen to have the link. I'll go cheaper with my next 2 and then be able to have all 4👍🏼
Nathan, I really appreciate all of the information you share. I have been looking at traction boards and was worried to try the cheaper sets, but after hearing what you had to say about them I am going to give the X-Bulls a try. I could go through a few pair for the cost of a set of max trax, and the added thickness sound great to help when you have to stack rocks.
Glad the video was helpful. You are right... the thickness can actually be nice... it is also good for leveling your vehicle in camp.
Nice to have:
5. Suspension Lift
4. High Clearance Front Bumper
Need to have:
3. Largest Tires You Can Fit WITHOUT RUBBING
2. Traction Boards Of Some Kind
1. Rock Sliders (don't get a bolt-on "step" that won't support the weight of your vehicle) (skid plates are great, but get sliders first priority)
Personal Note: I like the GoTreads for small pack size and the ability to make it "thicker" when folded for exactly the reason stated in the video.
thanks. saved me time. I have all 5
Great advice/info. I am in the very beginning process of building a overlander. Thanks
Awesome, hope it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.
The only suspension mod I’ll be adding to our (my) 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, double cab 6’ bed with the premium and technology pkgs is Add a Leaf on the rear.
Over 90% of the time my TRD is on regular roads and freeways.
The other 10% of the time, it’s mild off roading on Forest and logging roads.
We (our friends included) are about seeing the beautiful landscape and scenery of the PNW as well as getting me to my favorite fishing spots and hiking trails.
We do mild to moderate off roads. We’re not into rock crawling, stump jumping or deep water.
We like to take the moderate BDR roads here in north central Washington state.
The PNW is so beautiful.
We’re the oldest people in our circle of friends who also enjoy mild to moderate 4wheeling.
We’re not going to spend thousands of dollars on a pickup mods, unless it’s put into custom Leather seats from Katzkin, or interior trim pieces, dual exhaust systems, K&N cold air intake, custom 2 toned paint, power running boards, chrome wheels, etc.
I don’t see why I would spend all that money for 10% of the time our (my) TRD is off road and 90% of the time it’s on the road to look great as a 1 of a kind pickup that I plan on driving until I can no longer drive or I’m dead.
great video, i’m gonna look into getting some traction boards for snow wheeling here in michigan
Definitely good for snow wheeling... I know you have a winch but a lot of times the recovery boards are so much faster.
I don't have a off road vehicle yet, but this info could be the guide for my dream adventure.
So glad I found this channel.
Appreciate you videos 🤙💯
Thanks... as long as there are ppl like you... i'll keep making them.
Great information Nathan
Thanks for watching Timothy.
Yep, another good one. Just took my family to Moab for the first time for all of us. We drove down to the lower viewpoint of Gemini Bridges and it was amazing! I can attest to the lift nice to have but I’d say required to have if you don’t have rock sliders and care about that entire lower area. I’m running 35” general tires without body mount chop. Got away with that by installing icon upper control arms and have very little rubbing but will soon be getting the add stealth front bumper. Also have a level but will soon be doing an icon stage upgrade. This is a great start to this topic of what is needed and the “depends on what you’re doing” is the slippery slope of spare tires, high jack, tools etc.
Agree... whether you are going solo is a huge deal on how little you can get away with.
Air compressor! Finally discovered the joys of airing down . Got a 1 ton van stuck in a wash. The traction boards were going to get me out but the way I got stuck ' i got stuck going DOWN the wash meant it was probably going to take a while. After trundling forward 10 ft at a time I aired down and literally scooted out of there. I'm a believer now:)
Just found this channel and have been binge watching. Thank you so much for all the info. Great stuff. Getting my 2020 Chevy Trail boss ready for the more intense terrain.
Thanks for watchng.
I just bought a 2009 Tundra last week and I'm planning to build it out for some family overlanding adventures. My first big mods will be wheels & tires, suspension and basic gear to do some beginner trails up here in the PNW. Your content has been super helpful in figuring things out!
Awesome... I am glad it is helping someone.
After watching your videos, I think I might get either the ome or icon stage 6 or 7. My Tundra is a daily/ overlanding offroad rig for the next 4 years. I will be stationed on Japan for 3 years, but come home every year for an overlanding trip. I do plan to buy a new Tundra in 4 years though, but until then, I do love your videos bro. It helps me out with my build by narrowing my options, and even understanding the different setup builds and options and technology.
As always terrific simple knowledge that we can all use. On the 3rd gen tundras (I have a 23 limited crewmax) I was able to fit 34 no rub and stock suspension (I don't have the trd pro.) It will really depend on the width of tires. I could be wrong on my math tho I'm running 275/65R20.
I am just about done replacing parts from my first real offroad run I did back in March. Messed up my rear bumper, scratched the hell out of my front bumper and damaged my drivers side panel a little. It's still a little bent out of shape, but it's not really noticeable.
The worst damage I did that night could have been avoided with Rock Sliders, which I now have.
That night I had running boards. I bent both sides beyond repair. My rear door wouldn't open because the running boards were bent up and blocking the door. I did body damage to my truck from rolling over a tree stump on one side and a rock on the other.
Cannot stress enough the importance of rock sliders. I actually got lucky that my damage was really only cosmetic, on the sides.
I have since replaced my front bumper, installed rock sliders, and I am still waiting on my rear bumper. I bought C4 Fabrication stuff. No more messing around.
Those step/running boards are the worse... they give ppl a false sense of security. Sad you had to go through all of that but sounds like you are setup now.
Good job on the video. Sliders vs. Skid Plates.......Like you said, consider the type of trails you run. I have a mostly stock Colorado Z71. I added skid plates and riding the forest service roads in Virginia, I am glad I have those skid plates.
You make a good point... it does depend on the trails you run. Which you should do first. I deal with a lot of Shelf and Step driving so as long as I have sliders and I offset my tires ever so slightly the sliders take the full brunt of the hits. I haven't wheeled enough in the East to know what those trails need. Hopefully getting out there next year.
Took a new stock Power Wagon (but with sliders and diff guards) up Top of the Word in 2018. On a RAM 2500 the lowest parts of the truck are the differentials. The diff covers are not very tough, and if you damage one enough to leak then it's going to be a bad day. So front and rear diff guards would be on my list of essentials. I rolled back on Top of the World clearing an obstacle and put a nice nice ding in the rear diff guard when the truck came to a sudden and complete stop on a rock.
Great videos, I've watched quite a few so far. I have 2019 Tundra, been wanting to do 18s with 35s an a 3-4" lift to get out and do some more camping. But I'm wondering, did you do anything to your differentials? I've been told with the 35s bigger front and rear diffs are needed. So far I haven't seen anything in your videos talking about that yet.
Thank you for this.
Thanks for watching. Hopefully it was helpful.
I am my own spotter 🤣, To me the fun part is picking your line and knowing where your vehicle is to show off your driving skills.
Driving skills is the best truck upgrade!
I always advise people to get tires and sliders 1st, they can enjoy a really good entry to running trails with those 2 items, and then if they enjoy the sport begin additional modifications to suit their driving. The only other thing I really consider to be a must is a good basic set of recovery gear, I.E. a couple straps, 2-3 Crosby shackles, and 1-2 soft shackles. Again, if they continue to upgrade, they can add more, but straps and shackles help tremendously. Great video, thanks!
This is all solid advice.
I’m just a Hunter who wants to get into the back country and go further on foot. I’m in a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro and yes in less than 1 month I put Rock Sliders on, I have Max Trax Boards. I do know my 4Runner is way more capable than any of my past pickup trucks I have had in the past.
Currently in this exact predicament 3rd gen 4runner. Being my tires are toast I'm doing them first, then next is skid plates and rock sliders (same time). Then front bumper and winch.
That's a good summary. Here are a few quick additions from my experience.
For production IFS vehicles, I'd add a traction control system or a rear locker to the must have list. The stock G80 in many GM vehicles is excellent and got me through the West Exit of Hell's Revenge in a near stock 2500hd. A Spartan locker is great for old Toyota IFS rigs.
Moderately difficult trails require a bit of flex or a rear locker (traction control might be a substitute in mild conditions). Having both is a great nice to have, but make sure you have at least one. If you can keep all 4 on the ground, you have less need for lockers.
Sliders or skid plates really depend on what form of factory stupid your vehicle has. On an older 2500hd, the rocker panels are way higher than the frame so both are just nice to have. On a vehicle where the bodywork fully hides the frame, sliders are a lot more important.
Extended range tanks are very nice out in Moab - especially if you go further out.
Agree with the aux tank. Models for gasoline are hard to find. Most are rated for diesel. My Power Wagon has a 31 gallon tank, but it only gets 9 mpg. 30 gallons plus would be very confidence inspiring!
I’m locking to get a Ford Explorer timberline and doing all the research I can. Your channel has been helpful I want to take the explorer to amazing places to enjoy great adventures with my wife and kids. Any advice for using a suv would be appreciated
No doubt hitting those remote places n trails looks to be an awesome experience.
It really is!
Thanks so much for the tips. Just purchased a chevy colorado z71, no lift, or fancy suspension/lift...yet. My first purchase...tires :) I was going to do lift/suspension next, but I'm gonna rethink this...rock sliders...hmmm.
Rock sliders really are great get-out-of-jail-free cards if you know how to wheel over the bumps.
Love your content and practical approach. One suggestion: almost all UA-camrs over-talk the subject. This would be stronger if you would script it and edit your comments to 1/2 the time.
Good feedback... I actually edit all my talk tracks and cut out a ton... but haven't made it to full scripting yet. Still figuring all this out... 3 -4 months ago I had never used a real camera or used Final Cut Pro... so its been a steep learning curve for sure. I always appreciate real feedback. If I actually did this full time it would be so much fun... the quality I could deliver... Unfortunately this doesn't pay the bills. Maybe someday. I will work on it though. Thanks again.
Agree that traction boards are the essential item. I don't have a winch but I've been scratching my head wondering when I would ever need one. Been stuck dozens of times.
Solo runs for added safety and to help folks out now and then. Definitely a premium item.
Great information video! Which rock sliders do you recommend?
I like my CBI sliders a lot… C4 make a great pair as well.
I've had good luck with Maxsas. One pair is falling apart and has numerous cracks and other signs of damage but has been heavily used and is still working fine.I did invest in Maxtrax and was surprised at how dense they were. Hopefully they are a 10 year board.
I have a stock super duty as my tow vehicle, I thought it was a off road worrier with its diff lock and fx4 package, I took it sledding with the kids and slid into a ditch as I was turning around. With road tires nothing else mattered, I was spinning like crazy! Bfg is next up! Ps I also live in the gem state and hope to see you in the mountains sometime!
See you on the trails someday! I love my BFGs
Just got my first Power Wagon (2021), what upgrades would you recommend? It comes with OEM rock sliders I'm not sure if those are good enough. I plan on putting on 35s as soon as the 33s are warn out.
There are several things in life that you should never skimp or compromise on. Protective equipment and recovery gear are a few of those. Always buy the very best you can afford
Buy once cry once. A off road recovery (tow) if no one is around may not happen, and if they are is extremely expensive (think a couple of sets of traction boards). Also don't get over your head on a trail. Better to turn around then do damage or get stuck. A-holes like to damage stuck vehicles thinking they are abandoned.
@@FLCLnaota that's my favorite quote
Do you have suggestions on rock sliders for 4runner. What are you using? Great video and information.
CBI makes great rock sliders for both the Tundra and 4Runner... those are the ones I ran on the Grey Tundra.
No portable compressor yet. However, I do have an old SCUBA tank I use to air my tires back up. The joy of having multiple hobbies. Now if only I had a cargo chute I could try a Tacoma BASE jump.
I'm a big fan of lockers, it improves your control on the trail. When you have to use momentum to get up things instead of traction it can get dangerous.
Oh Man, I hear yah... can't wait to get them in the Tundra... we intend to continue doing really rough trails and I am excited to have my easy button back.
I have used a high lift jack to get off of a high center, jack it up and drive off of the jack.
Done right that can definitely work... I have seen it go wrong pretty bad when people overestimated how far forward they could get. That is the hard part about Recovery Videos... everything can be so situational.
Nice Tundra 👍
Thanks... I love those trucks.
Nate question so this is what my local off road park has as rules
Green trail: 4wd vehicle with factory or welded tow points (a tow ball DOES NOT qualify) please have adequate recovery or repair equipment & tools. Tow straps MUST NOT have any steel hooks.
Blue Trail- 31″- 33″ tires, one locker and winch recommended. Tow points MANDATORY
Black Trail- 33-35″ tire minimum, one locker and winch, tow points required. 2 lockers and body armor recommended.
Do these rules mean I need to have mods to go off roading?
Very good information, my tundra is on skinny stock tires and I can still enjoy some trails and you’re right my rock sliders saved my ass many times. Are you regeared because of the 35s? If not, do you feel a power loss?
Not in the Tundra... it still runs/feels great. I will re-gear if I go to 37’s.
tires,sliders,recovery gear =must haves
Pretty much
I like your stuff, man. Very practical. A nice break from all these stupid vids that think you should throw $20k at your truck before they even leave the pavement.
Thanks. I have a lot of new videos coming soon... been working on finishing a shop so I can actually shoot videos in the winter months. Excited to get the new stuff out. I have a full budget build series I have been working on.
Air compressor is a must have. Anyone can air down at any time. But you need to be able to air up again.
Totally agree... I guess I was thinking of Mods to the actual vehicle (which of course can be a compressor)... but I was thinking of them more as accessories... but then I threw in the recovery boards as the outlier. So, yes... great feedback... I need to do a whole video on PSI, Air down, air up, compressors and tire Bead issues.
@@OutdoorAuto
The reason I mentioned the air compressor. Is a stock vehicle can go do a lot more than people realise. Rock sliders, RATED RECOVERY POINTS ( to many people die every year. Using manufacturers tow/tie down points or the tow ball) with the necessary recovery equipment ,air compressor and recovery board’s. That basically stock vehicle will get you out there enjoying the tracks.
I do hate how manufacturers are putting stupid bulky bumpers on their vehicles though.
It was a good vid. Looking forward to more.👍
Can you give information on the front bumper and rear bumper as well as the light bar that you have in the bumper. I may have missed It
I miss these types of videos :(
I have been working on a whole new set of videos that will be coming out over the next couple weeks. Keep an eye on the channel.
@@OutdoorAuto looking forward to them can’t wait to see the tundra’s again :)
Curious about if you had to Tune your Gear ratio when you installed 35s and lift?? I also own a 21 Tundra SR5 Cement colorway.
Great topic. For playing in mud it seems like a front bumper would keep you from ripping off the plastic ones most SUVs come with these days.
Yeah... the new ones just hang too low for me.
I used my Crosstrek as an ice breaker more than once. Now that it is going to be my fun vehicle, it will get a new front bumper after my Tacoma gets its sliders and bumpers.
What solution is there for rock sliders if truck has a power step (the retractable running boards)? This is on a 2021 Sierra 3500 SRW.
12:25 would be great to put some recovery boards to the test!
They are definitely more than a gimmick... they can get you out of a lot of jams.
I also have a full size truck, an f150, and like you alluded tk am having a hard time finding legit sliders for it (2012) any recommendations
For traction boards I’ve used just wooden boards
Wish I would have seen this video before I purchased my tundra. I love my 2019 cement grey limited, and wanted to build a capable trail rig, but I'm starting to think the selling point of the truck is now a downfall. The truck has a 6" "drop cross member" lift, although with 35" tires, it only sits 3-1/4" higher than stock (according to the hitch measurements). I have plans to replace the small spacers sitting on top of the factory shocks with Icons or OME coilovers, but now it seems like the drop crossmember lift (which seems irreversible) is a "no-go" for overlanding. Has that been your experience in seeing other rigs out on the trails?
Perfect. Thanks Nate! Do you still have the BP-51 or did you change your suspension?
Still Running the BP-51's... Still love them... probably some time this Winter I will be trying to put in a Long Travel Setup.
@@OutdoorAuto Really? Now that I am interested in. Don't you have to do some crazy mods to make that work? The shocks going up into the bed, etc?
I was going to consider it, but I don't want to lose my truck bed. I would miss my Decked drawers too much.
@@manbikepig7308 No you can do it without but you do have to chop a lot out and build your own mounts. Check out TAV Stage 3 Tundra builds... they have it down pretty solid.
If you can add in photo on what equipment you are talking about it will help a lot.
Great info as always. I was able to do quite a bit at Hidden falls with my stock Tundra. Did exactly what you mention here... Slow.. good lines.. And "Stocking a Rack" lol -
Rock stacking can get a stock truck through a lot of crazy things.
If you go with the budget traction boards, go with the Rhino USAs. They 1/2 the price of the maxtrax and etc and have a lifetime warranty.
I have actually been testing some of their other recovery gear and have been pleasantly surprised... good stuff and affordable... currently using their soft shackles.
@@OutdoorAuto glad to hear I’m not the only one. They seem like a great intermediate price between the Chinese knock offs and the high end ARB/Maxtraxx/phase 5, etc.
Don't forget about comfort... You can always pick an easier line more suited to the vehicle you have, but you always need to eat, sleep, and poop. If you're comfortable, you'll have a good time. If you're miserable, no amount of vehicle mods will make the trip better.
Great point... I stress setup and tear down times a lot on the actual camping gear... if it is super annoying to setup camp... people talk themselves out of going... especially with Kids.
Can you put tundra bumper on sequoia ? And front suspension parts ?
What do you think about the CBI Covert bumper? Do you think that does anything to improve approach angle?
I think they are well designed, but they are made to mimic the factory lines so they aren't going to do much for approach angle .
Zero disagreements with your list and I really like the 'dont spend all the money on mods attitude'. I would add something about jack use because it is a cheap and effective tool. The closer you are to stock the more likely you are to end up stuck on a dif. The ability to confidently jack up one end to stack under the wheels has bailed me (and people I've found) out a couple times. I feel like jacking, when and how, is a whole video (insert ____hub joke here).
Yeah - for sure. Recovery techniques almost need multiple videos because there is so much to know and practice depending on the available gear. I will have to get to that some day... but those video are hard cause I need to borrow a friend to film them...
Home run video. Tires, Tires, Tires, 33's and want 35's. 35's and want 37's. 37's and want 40's. Your Tundra is 20" more wheel base that my ZR2, I feel your pain.
People underestimate what is possible with a little bit of smart rock stacking and quality spotters. Thanks for the feedback.
I parked my bone stock Tacoma trd there. Top of the world, correct?
Where is top of the world?
Are trail riding trips considered “day trips”? Can you stay at hotels and then trail ride during the day? I don’t have interest in camping but still want to trail ride…thanks!
In Moab you can definitely stay in a hotel and do day trips.
Just hit like … then you can learn. It’s that good every time.
Rock sliders would replace the current running boards correct?
Yes 👍
What rock sliders to you recommend?
CBI makes great sliders... I have tested them pretty thoroughly and they help up.
What rock slider do yo use for your Tundra?
I use the CBI rock sliders... no drilling necessary. Can either be bolt on or weld on.