Been strapping my bikes peg-to-peg for years and literally for 1000’s of miles. I can testify that this is a great way to transport your bike. The straps don’t even need to be “bow string tight” or have the bike in gear. The bike may move around a little bit but will never fall over. Even when bouncing around on rough Jeep trails.
I just tried the single bike strapped at the pegs method today and it felt more secure than by the handlebars. Better for the bike and more secure. So glad I found your video!
My buddy Jason showed me this method about 2 years ago. I've never carried my bikes around another way. It's so easy and put very little pressure on the suspension.
If you're worried about hurting your fork seals or springs by cinching your forks down with likely less than 50lbs of hold strength for the amount of time you travel to ride you might as well just leave it on the bike stand in the garage. Imagine the forces seen during a full days ride with a 150-200 lb rider. This topic is usually opened up for selling a gimmick system to tie bikes down. Either way do what helps you sleep at night and Ride safe.
We I have had forks blow in the back of the truck. I have also had them blow sitting on the stand. Twice on the stand 2 different bikes. Sometimes they just decide to give out
@@dormantmenace if they blew in the back of the truck, either the seal blew at the end of the ride, or the suspension was compressed to where the seal was sitting on a ding in the chrome. Or the seal is just has dirt propping the seal open to let oil through.
@@charlesgunzelman3323 When a sealed hydraulic fork is compressed under load (static load like in tie-down scenario) its reduced internal volume (from being compressed) effectively increases internal pressure (pressure on seal). Spring has nothing to do with this internal pressure, other than the volume it consumes. This volume, being constant, does not change over compression range.
4x4 block between the top of your tire and inside bottom of your fender on the fender mounts works great as well. Saves your fork seals that way too. Thanks for your video.
I started doing the foot peg mount in my truck, It feels so much more sturdy, and I don't have the anxiety of looking back constantly. Even driving offroad to get to a track, the bike stay put!
Glad people are starting to use this method lol. It works so great. Never have issues with the bike suspension bouncing the straps loose on long hauls.
Compressing forks does nothing to hurt fork seals on spring forks. There's no load on the seals, ever. Been cinching forks for hauling bikes for 15 yrs without issue. Besides a static load when cinching forks is nothing compared to a hard g-out & your seals don't blow when that happens. They don't blow because they can't. Fork seals start leaking for other reasons.
@@3canctheayr finally someone has it right. Seals seal off pressure so compressing them and leaving them there does not hurt them unless you get some ratchet strap and really go crazy. Plus more people have leaking seals on the stand because there is no pressure on the seal besides a small spring on the seal. When i worked at racetech it was the worst hearing people talk about seals lol
@@VlogEpicness I've been doing the 'experiment' for 15 yrs. It works. Also, taking the time to understand how your forks are constructed and how they actually work could be helpful.
I saw you do this cross load in one of your "tips" videos a while back. I'm not worried about pressure on the suspension when I'm hauling, but I found the method to be very secure and quick to load\unload...been using it since... Thx 👍
Fork seals take more of a beating while you ride than they do while being strapped down in your truck bed. Dirt and nicks in the fork leg cause fork seal leakage. With that said, do what make you happy.
I strap from the handlebars but I always use a fork saver, or block of wood cut to length between the front tire, and the bottom triple clamp. That let's you strap it down really tight, and only compresses my forks about a half inch.
I’ve been using the same tie down style for about two years now to. Works way better but since you can’t see the straps you get looks and comments from people at times.
I have a AddABike rack and it's uses no tie downs at all just one arm over the seat and you go. Easy to get it on and off the rack unlike putting it in the back of the truck.
I love my StepRamp but I wish I would have gotten the 5-step version and not the 6-step version. The 6-step version is great when I'm in my long bed but if I'm with a friend and their bed is shorter, it's a PITA to load with all of our other gear. Great video!
Excited to see Kyle try the Green 250x! But for the Luv of Gawd please ride it how it was intended, high in the rpm range cuz its a screamer. Dont try and lug a small CC bike and then say it doesnt have much power like u did on the xcf and yzfx.
Great vid! I've been tying my bikes down like this for over 30 years, its the best way I've found even if your trucks bed is shorter and you can't close the gate it still works the best!
Ok, I definitely must retry this double bike technique. I tried it on my 2500 ram and it was a no go by about an inch. I gotta check to make sure they are at full lock. It was in the back of my mind last time but I didn't act on it. The ram 2500 is 6'6". Gotta check out the step ramp too. Currently I use two curved folding cycle gear ramps and they work well.
This method while great the only big negative is is takes away your rear view mirror which is why I might lean towards one side of the bed and just put some tension on the bars. I don't think the amount of force to keep it up right will hurt a suspension much on a offroad dirtbike
Don't take his word. Do some studying on how to haul loads before you start hauling your bike. This is a foolish way to haul your bike. I have been riding for 47 years. I have been strapping my bikes down and hauling them all those years. I have been hauling heavy construction equipment for a living for 30 years. I will never haul a bike the way this idiot is saying to do it.
I found out that if you pin the front wheel to right corner and use the side stand, the bike will be safer if one tie down comes loose to avoid the bike falling and handle bar or lever hitting rear glass and breaking it.
It's a myth that there is pressure on the forks/seals when tied down, that's not how they work.. once the oil has made its way through the shims it's stabilised, the only pressure is on initial compression as you are forcing the oil through a relatively tight space. I used to put a block between the fender and wheel and pull it down tight to that, only to make it more secure though, not to save the seals.
I prefer a soft loop around the frame just a bit above the pegs - the pegs are kinda brittle and take some abuse - I don't think it's unheard of to break them off.
All you got to do is cut a block of wood that fits between your tire and front fender if you are worried about your suspension so much. Plus, it does make it more secure.
I imagine there will be some complaints with the KX. 1. The Fuel capacity 2. 5 speed Doesn't seem like they did a whole lot to make trail friendly but I could be wrong.
I tie my bikes down via the lower fork/axle lug on the trailer with tank straps. Really freaked me out the first time I trailered 🤣. Like watching a baby walk for the first time. I’ve also used your dual bike recommendation for truck bed action. Works like a charm. Kyle always putting out good info!
Why is it a problem compressing the suspension while transporting the bike? The metal doesn't fatigue, the shock isn't doing anything as long as the bike isn't moving up and down etc. However having the bike on its own weight the suspension while you drive will wear it out faster because the bike is moving up and down as the truck goes over bumps. One thing we do on our trials bike is put a youth soccer ball between the front forks and cinch the bike down onto the ball. This puts all the pressure from the tie downs into the ball and really locks things together so that bike cannot move up and down.
6 and a half food "bed" (tray) is unheard of for a duel cab "truck" (ute) in Australia. You American's are spoiled for choice when I comes to "pick ups" (Ute's) 😉
Just be aware if you loose the bike and it falls the handlebars take out your back window. That happened to a guy who was demonstrating this method to me. Needless to say I don’t hall this way for that reason.
I just recently got a f150 with a 6 1/2 foot bed and I was just wonder what kind of lift and what size wheels and tires you have on that it looks dope btw
Arent those straps kinda sketchy? Seems like with ratchet straps theres no way they can come loose but with the ones youre using they can come lose alot easier on accident.
This is one of the only good reasons to daily a dually. I have an 8ft bed and its awesome. The 9-10mpg economy blows as a broke college student but hey, I can haul whatever I want whereever I want
I have a fork brace to save my seals and even on the pegs like you have it with that angle and tightening while compressing the rear shock ur still putting pressure on the rear.
Not a bad way at all. I'm an old school dude. I use a bed buddy, center the bike and cinch the heck out of my strap compressing the forks. Been doing it this way for over 30 years and no issues with damaging the suspension.
Would you recommend trying these methods with a sport bike? I've hauled my bike no problem with the tailgate down, but this time I'll have a trailer. Unfortunately, the tailgate will hit the handle for the landing gear.
The only problem with this video is that it furthers the myth that compressing your suspension somehow hurts it. Your forks can sit 10 years under load and be in MUCH better shape than 1 year of riding.
A fella can just quickly and cheaply make a fork saver post to fit between front wheel and the underside of front fender to keep from deep compression of forks..or be a gear geek and buy one.
I realize this is not related had no other way to contact I was wondering about front tires what should I run into ride in rocks and hard pack some sand would appreciate any help u can send I think your the bomb I respect what u say ty doug from Gunnison co
This will not save your fork seals. Dirt is what kills fork seals. I compress my fork when I load it in the truck and my seals last a very long time and I ride almost every weekend year round. The forks see much more compression when I ride it.
It should not do anything to the seals. The only thing I can see being an issue is if the forks are not vented, so there is air pressure when compressed pushing oil out. Just vent them... The load is carried on the spring, and it shouldn't be affected by being loaded for any length of time a bike would spend in a truck. It would take months or even years to creep and lose force. Unless they are designed as over stressed to begin with, which normal riding will ruin them at that point too.
Yeaa waiting for that Kawi XC video, I have 19’ KX450 for the track which I’ve never felt so comfortable on a bike before like I do this one. I have a 19’ Ktm 300xc for the trails, and been curious how that kawi xc stacks up against it.
Nice review. Do you know if there’s any issue with securing a bike in a ram truck with ram boxes? Shopping a new truck, and seems like a good system to store gear etc. have you witnessed this set up before? Also, what about leaving the tail gate open to fit your bike with a bed extender? Thanks. Also it’s a 5.5ft bed
Been strapping my bikes peg-to-peg for years and literally for 1000’s of miles. I can testify that this is a great way to transport your bike. The straps don’t even need to be “bow string tight” or have the bike in gear. The bike may move around a little bit but will never fall over. Even when bouncing around on rough Jeep trails.
I just tried the single bike strapped at the pegs method today and it felt more secure than by the handlebars. Better for the bike and more secure. So glad I found your video!
After watching this, I strapped to the foot pegs last week...love it!
My buddy Jason showed me this method about 2 years ago. I've never carried my bikes around another way. It's so easy and put very little pressure on the suspension.
If you're worried about hurting your fork seals or springs by cinching your forks down with likely less than 50lbs of hold strength for the amount of time you travel to ride you might as well just leave it on the bike stand in the garage. Imagine the forces seen during a full days ride with a 150-200 lb rider. This topic is usually opened up for selling a gimmick system to tie bikes down. Either way do what helps you sleep at night and Ride safe.
Exactly. The only "pressure" in the forks once cinched down is the spring. The oil is sitting at zero pressure anywhere after about .5 seconds.
We I have had forks blow in the back of the truck. I have also had them blow sitting on the stand. Twice on the stand 2 different bikes. Sometimes they just decide to give out
@@dormantmenace if they blew in the back of the truck, either the seal blew at the end of the ride, or the suspension was compressed to where the seal was sitting on a ding in the chrome. Or the seal is just has dirt propping the seal open to let oil through.
@@dormantmenace yeah, thats literally not how shocks work. The pressure isn't constant. How do shocks on a 900lbs bagger seem to hold up?
@@charlesgunzelman3323 When a sealed hydraulic fork is compressed under load (static load like in tie-down scenario) its reduced internal volume (from being compressed) effectively increases internal pressure (pressure on seal).
Spring has nothing to do with this internal pressure, other than the volume it consumes. This volume, being constant, does not change over compression range.
Most sensible video on securing you bike I've seen, well presented and very watchable..nice job.
I have been using this method for years
4x4 block between the top of your tire and inside bottom of your fender on the fender mounts works great as well. Saves your fork seals that way too. Thanks for your video.
And that my friends is why I bought a 6.5 foot bed. Another tip for easier loading-keep the truck stock height!
Not sure what im doing wrong but it wont go against the front and is super loose
Good video man. Picking up my new dirt bike tomorrow and this is what I will do. Didn’t want to put pressure on my shocks
Great video. Thanks! Perhaps in the future you can do one for shorter bed trucks (i.e. 5’ 6”) for optimal loading?
I started doing the foot peg mount in my truck, It feels so much more sturdy, and I don't have the anxiety of looking back constantly. Even driving offroad to get to a track, the bike stay put!
Glad people are starting to use this method lol. It works so great. Never have issues with the bike suspension bouncing the straps loose on long hauls.
I saw you do this a few years ago and I've done it ever since. It works awesome 👌
I hook em to the pegs now you probably saved me 10 minutes of unloading my bike! plus now I don’t bottom out my suspension in the truck.
100 percent agree. Save your fork seals 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Compressing forks does nothing to hurt fork seals on spring forks. There's no load on the seals, ever. Been cinching forks for hauling bikes for 15 yrs without issue.
Besides a static load when cinching forks is nothing compared to a hard g-out & your seals don't blow when that happens. They don't blow because they can't. Fork seals start leaking for other reasons.
@@3canctheayr finally someone has it right. Seals seal off pressure so compressing them and leaving them there does not hurt them unless you get some ratchet strap and really go crazy. Plus more people have leaking seals on the stand because there is no pressure on the seal besides a small spring on the seal. When i worked at racetech it was the worst hearing people talk about seals lol
@@3canctheayr sounds like we should do an experiment and see if that’s true.
Dirt kills seals, old dirty oil kills seals not compression.
@@VlogEpicness I've been doing the 'experiment' for 15 yrs. It works. Also, taking the time to understand how your forks are constructed and how they actually work could be helpful.
I saw you do this cross load in one of your "tips" videos a while back. I'm not worried about pressure on the suspension when I'm hauling, but I found the method to be very secure and quick to load\unload...been using it since... Thx 👍
Wow! This is super neat! Never seen it before, definitely going to give it a try so I can close my tail gate!
Ok I am ready for the KX videos! Never seen Kyle ride green (blue rider myself) and wanna hear his thoughts!
Yes. I have a 06 KX450F. hoping he does more kawasaki or Honda. Never owned KTM
Fork seals take more of a beating while you ride than they do while being strapped down in your truck bed. Dirt and nicks in the fork leg cause fork seal leakage. With that said, do what make you happy.
I strap from the handlebars but I always use a fork saver, or block of wood cut to length between the front tire, and the bottom triple clamp. That let's you strap it down really tight, and only compresses my forks about a half inch.
Tight fit with two bikes in a Ford Ranger. I use a ReadyRamp truck bed extender.
A new body ranger?
I’ve been using the same tie down style for about two years now to. Works way better but since you can’t see the straps you get looks and comments from people at times.
I have a AddABike rack and it's uses no tie downs at all just one arm over the seat and you go. Easy to get it on and off the rack unlike putting it in the back of the truck.
I love my StepRamp but I wish I would have gotten the 5-step version and not the 6-step version.
The 6-step version is great when I'm in my long bed but if I'm with a friend and their bed is shorter, it's a PITA to load with all of our other gear.
Great video!
Same here, just sold my LB and gotta SB. Now I'm looking for a 5 step to trade my 6 step toward.
Excited to see Kyle try the Green 250x! But for the Luv of Gawd please ride it how it was intended, high in the rpm range cuz its a screamer. Dont try and lug a small CC bike and then say it doesnt have much power like u did on the xcf and yzfx.
Awesome ramp !
Great vid! I've been tying my bikes down like this for over 30 years, its the best way I've found even if your trucks bed is shorter and you can't close the gate it still works the best!
Doesn't flip over easy???????????????
@@mixtips637 No not at all!
The step ramp referral name Kyle. Litterly gives you .01 off the price lol. A PENNY LMAO
Lol good shit
Wow, just when I thought this old dog couldn't learn new tricks!
Ok, I definitely must retry this double bike technique. I tried it on my 2500 ram and it was a no go by about an inch. I gotta check to make sure they are at full lock. It was in the back of my mind last time but I didn't act on it. The ram 2500 is 6'6". Gotta check out the step ramp too. Currently I use two curved folding cycle gear ramps and they work well.
with the ram 6'4" box two bikes with tailgate closed doesn't work. The ford and gm/chev is 6'6" and works as I used to have that. Damn 2" lol
This method while great the only big negative is is takes away your rear view mirror which is why I might lean towards one side of the bed and just put some tension on the bars. I don't think the amount of force to keep it up right will hurt a suspension much on a offroad dirtbike
Wow I'm buying my first dirtbike tomorrow and was nervous about securing it and this really set my mind at ease!!
Don't take his word. Do some studying on how to haul loads before you start hauling your bike. This is a foolish way to haul your bike. I have been riding for 47 years. I have been strapping my bikes down and hauling them all those years. I have been hauling heavy construction equipment for a living for 30 years. I will never haul a bike the way this idiot is saying to do it.
I found out that if you pin the front wheel to right corner and use the side stand, the bike will be safer if one tie down comes loose to avoid the bike falling and handle bar or lever hitting rear glass and breaking it.
It's a myth that there is pressure on the forks/seals when tied down, that's not how they work.. once the oil has made its way through the shims it's stabilised, the only pressure is on initial compression as you are forcing the oil through a relatively tight space.
I used to put a block between the fender and wheel and pull it down tight to that, only to make it more secure though, not to save the seals.
How could having pressure on the forks hurt them? I've been hauling bikes for over 40 years that way and I've never had an issue.
I love this!!! My whole channel revolves around sending pit bikes up some serious enduro trails!
Always just used a block between the tire and front fender. Worked great
I prefer a soft loop around the frame just a bit above the pegs - the pegs are kinda brittle and take some abuse - I don't think it's unheard of to break them off.
All you got to do is cut a block of wood that fits between your tire and front fender if you are worried about your suspension so much. Plus, it does make it more secure.
I imagine there will be some complaints with the KX.
1. The Fuel capacity
2. 5 speed
Doesn't seem like they did a whole lot to make trail friendly but I could be wrong.
Bought the ramp last year, best one I have ever had. Had three old style ramps in my garage, got rid of them. Negative, very spendy
Excellent idea! Especially for us 5 ft bed guys.
awesome technique im old school and was using the forks. How do you reccomend for a trailer though?
What straps are you using? I need to replace mine
We've always done this since we first got into dirt bikes.
Lol not me. My bike tries to fall down every time this is really useful
Cant use foot pegs on some aftermarket pegs in the lowered position. Use the plastic fork saver between tire and fender and youll never blow a seal.
I tie my bikes down via the lower fork/axle lug on the trailer with tank straps. Really freaked me out the first time I trailered 🤣. Like watching a baby walk for the first time. I’ve also used your dual bike recommendation for truck bed action. Works like a charm. Kyle always putting out good info!
When are you going to give us your first impressions on that KX?
Why is it a problem compressing the suspension while transporting the bike? The metal doesn't fatigue, the shock isn't doing anything as long as the bike isn't moving up and down etc. However having the bike on its own weight the suspension while you drive will wear it out faster because the bike is moving up and down as the truck goes over bumps. One thing we do on our trials bike is put a youth soccer ball between the front forks and cinch the bike down onto the ball. This puts all the pressure from the tie downs into the ball and really locks things together so that bike cannot move up and down.
Just tried out these straps today. They work great! I will try to swap out the connection as in the video for that adjustment. Thanks for the tip.
What’s the name of the straps?
Definitely need name or link
When hauling a single bike try the right side, so you can see to the left out of rear view mirror. Just saying, I like these ideas👍 thanks
That is a pretty bad arse ramp you got there. I will totally buy one if I ever start using a ramp.
6 and a half food "bed" (tray) is unheard of for a duel cab "truck" (ute) in Australia. You American's are spoiled for choice when I comes to "pick ups" (Ute's) 😉
Just be aware if you loose the bike and it falls the handlebars take out your back window. That happened to a guy who was demonstrating this method to me. Needless to say I don’t hall this way for that reason.
I just recently got a f150 with a 6 1/2 foot bed and I was just wonder what kind of lift and what size wheels and tires you have on that it looks dope btw
This is a great tip because my bike has such stiff suspension sometimes the straps rip apart when it rebounds on the truck.
Thanks for the video very helpful!! what is the truck bed length? Thanks,
Larry
who else wants to see him ride the KX
It will feel new for sure he’s always on Europeans and Yamaha I’ve never seen him on a kawi but they look soooooo good
So bad got my eye on one as well.
@@nickdyas5412 I agree that Kawi is a beauty!😍🤩
Big time!
@@ronaldwriston1546 me to
I kinda like that step ramp!
Do you think it would be okay to pull a 72cc and a 150cc in a trailer?
I got the same truck and fit 2 450s with the tailgate closed 👌
Arent those straps kinda sketchy? Seems like with ratchet straps theres no way they can come loose but with the ones youre using they can come lose alot easier on accident.
What about the stress on today’s chincy foot pegs though?
This is one of the only good reasons to daily a dually. I have an 8ft bed and its awesome. The 9-10mpg economy blows as a broke college student but hey, I can haul whatever I want whereever I want
Great video. Thank you Kyle. Can you tell us about that awesome loading ramp... well there it is. Thanks again
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I need you to demonstrate just how secure it is by testing out the trucks abs please... Great video!
I can't help noticing that REALLY LONG kickstand spring on that KX. Bet that won't last long in the "soft enduro" terrain. Better safety wire it.
I have a fork brace to save my seals and even on the pegs like you have it with that angle and tightening while compressing the rear shock ur still putting pressure on the rear.
Very nice! learning big stuff Kyle, I’m gonna owe you!
thank you for uploading. Got some inspiration 💃🏼
when can we see you ride the KX
Not a bad way at all. I'm an old school dude. I use a bed buddy, center the bike and cinch the heck out of my strap compressing the forks. Been doing it this way for over 30 years and no issues with damaging the suspension.
Excellent just what's needed in about a week.
Would you recommend trying these methods with a sport bike? I've hauled my bike no problem with the tailgate down, but this time I'll have a trailer. Unfortunately, the tailgate will hit the handle for the landing gear.
What part of country was this video taken? Looks awesome! I'm from east coast.
The only problem with this video is that it furthers the myth that compressing your suspension somehow hurts it. Your forks can sit 10 years under load and be in MUCH better shape than 1 year of riding.
I just set mine up the same way. Gotta say I’m still super nervous but this is my first time hauling my dual sport (too far to ride it)
Great video kyle!
Enough man........ride the kx!
Just pokin fun brother son. 😁
We might have to wait till spring.
I bet it's cold In Utah right now.
Dude try out a Honda I race one and I wanna see your thoughts. They handle every well with suspension
A fella can just quickly and cheaply make a fork saver post to fit between front wheel and the underside of front fender to keep from deep compression of forks..or be a gear geek and buy one.
Thanks so much man!!! Great video.
I just throw a block of wood between the fender and wheel, then tie it down. Works fine with no compression of the front forks.
What about loading it with a tonneau cover in a 5’6 truck bed?
How many came for the green bike?
I realize this is not related had no other way to contact I was wondering about front tires what should I run into ride in rocks and hard pack some sand would appreciate any help u can send I think your the bomb I respect what u say ty doug from Gunnison co
Trying to find a method to strap my Honda CRF 250 to my Gen1 Raptor Scab that can handle off-roading.. any suggestions?
This will not save your fork seals. Dirt is what kills fork seals. I compress my fork when I load it in the truck and my seals last a very long time and I ride almost every weekend year round. The forks see much more compression when I ride it.
It should not do anything to the seals. The only thing I can see being an issue is if the forks are not vented, so there is air pressure when compressed pushing oil out. Just vent them... The load is carried on the spring, and it shouldn't be affected by being loaded for any length of time a bike would spend in a truck. It would take months or even years to creep and lose force. Unless they are designed as over stressed to begin with, which normal riding will ruin them at that point too.
Thanks Kyle. Another useful video.
Nice tips. Thanks, gonna need to try this.
Why is there a KX in there? I don't understand what is happening here. Is there something we should know about kyle?
Yeaa waiting for that Kawi XC video, I have 19’ KX450 for the track which I’ve never felt so comfortable on a bike before like I do this one. I have a 19’ Ktm 300xc for the trails, and been curious how that kawi xc stacks up against it.
Where do I find a ramp like that? Steps and ramp combo?
A $0.01 discount for using your name on a 300$ ramp 😂 great video tho much appreciated
What straps are you using in this video or at this point in time?
Footpeg tying down is so much quicker and easier IMO
Nice review. Do you know if there’s any issue with securing a bike in a ram truck with ram boxes? Shopping a new truck, and seems like a good system to store gear etc. have you witnessed this set up before? Also, what about leaving the tail gate open to fit your bike with a bed extender? Thanks. Also it’s a 5.5ft bed
I almost bought a 1500 with a ram box, they reduce the size of the bed significantly. Great idea for tool storage, but I'd rather have the bed space.
Wont the foot pegs break at some point?
can't believe more people haven't figured this out
We tried to get 2 in my 15 F150 6.5’ box and must’ve done something wrong. Still trying to figure out what Kyle does different 😂
Fork savers cost $20 and also prevent your straps coming loose if you hit an unexpected bump.