I was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder at 42, and you tick almost every box. Worrying about things that actually aren't relevant to me is one, trying to avoid crowds at all costs!
The problem is a lot of traits that are considered autistic are just cPTSD and general trauma responses. It can be hard to tell what is causing what, since most neurodivergent folk tend to have multiple things and it gets everything tangled.
A large portion of the autistic community, particularly older people that use older knowledge, have a very rigid idea of what autism is. Its a spectrum that can affect a person very heavily, or in smaller ways. Finn seems like he has a larger social battery, at least larger than I do. But yeah, a lot of research has shown that queer folks have a high comorbidity with the autistic spectrum. A lot of autistic folks also tend to have ADHD, which for awhile doctors thought was impossible. In reality, the 2 conditions have like a 50-70% comorbidity. Actually, its more likely that they are a shared condition, and that what we understand as Autism and ADHD are just two extremes on the same spectrum.
That both conditions really are just different parts of the same spectrum is extremely interesting! I wonder if there will be some big breakthroughs in understanding in the next few years
For the traits we all have some of when it counts as autism might be just how much they can mask them in order to conform to society. So those we see stand out it's because they can't or can't be bothered to hide those traits. So as Finn gets more comfortable with not conforming, all the quirks are standing out more, which might one day lead to an autism diagnosis or not.
Hi do you know where the term Aspergers comes from? The term was used for eugenicist purposes and categorising people for that. While it is "fine" to self identify with it, don't be surprised if other autistics avoid you for that or react pretty negatively cause of that. It is directly tied to the original German fascists.
@@TerraCAD you are making shit up stop talking on behalf of autistic people yes the guy who it is named after was a nazi that doesnt mean everyone who has it is a nazi you fucking weirdo. we gunna stop selling fords because he was mates with hitler? shutdown NASA because of operation paperclip?
@@TerraCAD Only dumb, uneducated idiots would judge and discriminate against someone with a disability just because of its name, if anything just projecting, yourself. Grow up, it's a name, that person struggles and no one cares who named it, IT'S A DISABILITY.
@@BoxFwog But that's not it's name, at least not anymore. Professionals recognize that it was just a nazi's way of distinguishing the autistic people he thought were useful from the ones he thought weren't, this deciding which autistic people got murdered in the Holocaust. But all those people, no matter how valuable or not the nazis thought they were, were autistic, and thus the term Aspergers is no longer in use. Now, the diagnosis is autism spectrum disorder. In autistic circles, there is a lot of discussion around whether it's appropriate for people who were diagnosed with Aspergers when the term was still in use to continue to identify with the term. From what I've seen, most people seem to agree that it should be thrown out entirely and that many (not all) people who are adamant about continuing to use it for themselves are using it in the same way the nazis did, to distinguish them from "lesser" autistic people, aka the ones with high support needs. And to be clear, the accusation is not that people holding onto the term Aspergers are nazis, but rather that they have internalized ableism. I am saying this as someone who is autistic myself. These are discussions being had within the autistic community far more than from outside it. This isn't about discriminating against someone because of the name of the disability. It's about other people with that same disability being wary of people holding onto an outdated term with horrific origins.
No. Autistic meltdown when unable to complete a task is very much a thing. OCD is a very different monster, as it is a two part system where one has obsessive, intrusive, negative thoughts that are harmful to the individual and a matching compulsion that the brain tells the person that they must do - and do perfectly, a specific number of times, a specific way, etc - to make the obsessive thoughts stop. While I understand how someone who doesn't really understand either autism or OCD could have a superficial reductionist view that makes this question seem sensible, I highly recommend taking 5-10 minutes to find out more about OCD and how it functions. i promise that you'll quickly understand why F1nn's issue is very different from OCD.
@ComradeCoconut OK. Another observation I've seen also confuses me. F1nn has shown two types of reaction to a humorous situation or statement. He sometimes reacts instantaneously and other times like he's analyzing like a computer, gets the answer that it's humorous and then reacts in a more subdued and even forced manner without emotion. Can autism come and go?
@@lucusroseno, it doesn't come and go. One can, however, react differently at different times - autistic or not. Any number of factors could come into play, including familiarity with one situation and needing to analyze the other, how hard one is masking at the time, whether one's mind is currently tuned to the situation.. or even simple things like having slept better one day than another, underlying mood, what other things one might be thinking about. There is no one way of acting or reacting that makes one autistic or not autistic, and all people have variance on how they act or react in given situations. If you're truly curious, I recommend looking up the three functional levels of autism. If you do, understand that depending on how much an autistic person's "batteries" are full can affect one's functional level to some degree, as well. Less spoons, higher stress levels, any number of things can cause someone who is normally at one level to dip down into the upper range of the next level down, if that makes sense.
@ComradeCoconut Perfect sense. For a short time, I was conversing online with someone with Ausberger's syndrome. I've heard that referred to as a former of autism. Autism light in the popular press. Not exactly respectful, but that's the press for you. He had a hard time interacting with people face to face, but online you couldn't tell. Is Ausberger's actually autism?
I'm a firm believer that everyone everywhere has some level of ASD, most.. like 80% 90% of the world has it so minumally it's basically negligable.. but the remainig 20%-10% are mild to extremely on the spectrum. I do not believe there is a single person on or off this planet (yes I'm including astronaughts in space here) that has 0% ASD traits. What we define currently as ASD are the extreme more pronounced traits and behaviours.. I don't think we know enough about the brain to catagorically prove or disprove this belief To clarify, these are my opinions, I am not spouting facts, reasonable minds can differ. :)
The thing is, the symptoms that autistic people experience are things neurotypicals experience as well. It's the severity and frequency that make it a diagnosis.
@@chrissi.enbyYT so you're gay? Good for you. Unless you are diagnosed as autistic, or Trans you are neither. You need to go through therapy and testing to determine whether you are either trans or autistic. If some one tells you they think you are either one of these yet have no medical degree not believing a one of them.
There is a big difference between autistic and openly emotional. An autistic person can have a genius IQ because they observe and remember everything around them forever. An emotional person lets their mind get ahead of them and will react to events that are beyond their control.
We dont remember everything forever, that makes us sound infallible. That sounds more like a savant. Dont get me wrong, our tendancy towards logic and reasoning often leaves people to *think* we're smart but tbh we're just more inquisitive and thats it. Not necessarily smarter
I agree there's a difference between autism and just being openly emotional, but your reasoning for the autism is straight up wrong. Autistic people having a 'genius IQ' is a harmful stereotype. It might be true for some people, but not most. Most are average people like you and I.
Which example do you think is being openly emotional? Crying in a loud restaurant was used as an example because loud noises were the cause of the emotion, not because the emotion was being expressed. It would still be a sign of autism if they were upset in a loud public space but kept that emotion inside.
I get so tired of amateur, pop psychology. He's not autistic. Ashley seems to be a know-it-all who wants to diagnose something in everyone, tell us all How It Is, and warp people to her will.
Ok, but also marginalised people like trans people of consistently been discriminated by the psychological profession, including medicalisation being complicit in the state criminalising us. So I'm not going to respect the profession completely now. Like it's a generation ago that we were all institutionalised.
@@PlurCo , a good book that is partly about distinguishing between autism and non-autism in people whose traits may mislead laymen is _Back to Normal: Why Ordinary Childhood Behavior Is Mistaken for ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, and Autism Spectrum Disorder_ (2013), by Enrico Gnaulati, who spent decades working with many children who had autism and many children in whom it had been erroneously diagnosed.
He can't be both autistic and express the way he does live. My boyfriend also have some symptoms as getting angry for apparently no reason, pulling his own hair, lack of communication skills and aversion to strangers, but still not autistic, just somewhere in between.
Autistic people are all different, sometimes drastically different, and on a spectrum of intensity of characteristics. We also learn masking to appear more “normal”. Finn doesn’t do many of the behaviors on stream that Ashley lists as autistic characteristics because he is in a comfortable environment he has full control over and can put energy into exactly how he wants to portray himself (which is why he gets tired and doesn’t stream more than 3-4 hours compared to some people who stream 8 hours a day or do 24 hr streams). Your boyfriends behavior can be related to neurodivergency but that could also be anxiety, depression, ptsd, a personality disorder, etc. it’s best to see a professional and even get a second opinion, but it’s not fair to use his behaviors as a justification for why strangers on the internet can or can’t have autism.
I was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder at 42, and you tick almost every box. Worrying about things that actually aren't relevant to me is one, trying to avoid crowds at all costs!
I told a friend I basically got diagnosed by fellow AuDHS people, and he was like: Yeah, that was clear to me on day 1.
Wtfffff
The problem is a lot of traits that are considered autistic are just cPTSD and general trauma responses.
It can be hard to tell what is causing what, since most neurodivergent folk tend to have multiple things and it gets everything tangled.
The overlap between neurodivergence and not being cis is pretty high
Yep. Gaming Doctor made a Video about. Scientifically highest % correlation
There is also a higher rate of gender nonconformity among autistic population.
A large portion of the autistic community, particularly older people that use older knowledge, have a very rigid idea of what autism is. Its a spectrum that can affect a person very heavily, or in smaller ways. Finn seems like he has a larger social battery, at least larger than I do. But yeah, a lot of research has shown that queer folks have a high comorbidity with the autistic spectrum. A lot of autistic folks also tend to have ADHD, which for awhile doctors thought was impossible. In reality, the 2 conditions have like a 50-70% comorbidity. Actually, its more likely that they are a shared condition, and that what we understand as Autism and ADHD are just two extremes on the same spectrum.
That both conditions really are just different parts of the same spectrum is extremely interesting! I wonder if there will be some big breakthroughs in understanding in the next few years
For the traits we all have some of when it counts as autism might be just how much they can mask them in order to conform to society. So those we see stand out it's because they can't or can't be bothered to hide those traits. So as Finn gets more comfortable with not conforming, all the quirks are standing out more, which might one day lead to an autism diagnosis or not.
I struggle to change my facial expressions, too. I can think happy thoughts and look depressed AF.
I love that ending card
the way she sighed like she had a mile long list LMAO honestly that's real tho hindsight is often 20/20
f1nn is such a cute girlfriend lol
guy (sometimes)
Times sure do fly
I’m autistic, I took the same quiz they did. I got 180. They’re autistic
As an autistic myself, I sense F1nn as autistic. In aesthetics, in awkwardness, in the understanding of gender.
Acting Human takes up too many cycles.
man yeah i can really relate with the existence difficulty autism lol
I have 80% of Asperger’s Syndrome symptoms. I read online it could have been causes by Klinefelter’s syndrome which is caused by being born Intersex.
Hi do you know where the term Aspergers comes from? The term was used for eugenicist purposes and categorising people for that. While it is "fine" to self identify with it, don't be surprised if other autistics avoid you for that or react pretty negatively cause of that. It is directly tied to the original German fascists.
@@TerraCAD you are making shit up stop talking on behalf of autistic people yes the guy who it is named after was a nazi that doesnt mean everyone who has it is a nazi you fucking weirdo. we gunna stop selling fords because he was mates with hitler? shutdown NASA because of operation paperclip?
@@TerraCAD Only dumb, uneducated idiots would judge and discriminate against someone with a disability just because of its name, if anything just projecting, yourself. Grow up, it's a name, that person struggles and no one cares who named it, IT'S A DISABILITY.
@@BoxFwog But that's not it's name, at least not anymore. Professionals recognize that it was just a nazi's way of distinguishing the autistic people he thought were useful from the ones he thought weren't, this deciding which autistic people got murdered in the Holocaust. But all those people, no matter how valuable or not the nazis thought they were, were autistic, and thus the term Aspergers is no longer in use. Now, the diagnosis is autism spectrum disorder.
In autistic circles, there is a lot of discussion around whether it's appropriate for people who were diagnosed with Aspergers when the term was still in use to continue to identify with the term. From what I've seen, most people seem to agree that it should be thrown out entirely and that many (not all) people who are adamant about continuing to use it for themselves are using it in the same way the nazis did, to distinguish them from "lesser" autistic people, aka the ones with high support needs. And to be clear, the accusation is not that people holding onto the term Aspergers are nazis, but rather that they have internalized ableism.
I am saying this as someone who is autistic myself. These are discussions being had within the autistic community far more than from outside it. This isn't about discriminating against someone because of the name of the disability. It's about other people with that same disability being wary of people holding onto an outdated term with horrific origins.
@@frankieslefttoe8210 ok but it literally hasn't officially been called Asperger's syndrome in decades. it is called autism spectrum disorder
if you self-diagnose, please make sure to seek professional help after.
Lmao this is so true.
Waitaminute...
Isn't the finishing a task at all costs obsessive/compulsive?
No. Autistic meltdown when unable to complete a task is very much a thing. OCD is a very different monster, as it is a two part system where one has obsessive, intrusive, negative thoughts that are harmful to the individual and a matching compulsion that the brain tells the person that they must do - and do perfectly, a specific number of times, a specific way, etc - to make the obsessive thoughts stop. While I understand how someone who doesn't really understand either autism or OCD could have a superficial reductionist view that makes this question seem sensible, I highly recommend taking 5-10 minutes to find out more about OCD and how it functions. i promise that you'll quickly understand why F1nn's issue is very different from OCD.
@ComradeCoconut OK. Another observation I've seen also confuses me. F1nn has shown two types of reaction to a humorous situation or statement. He sometimes reacts instantaneously and other times like he's analyzing like a computer, gets the answer that it's humorous and then reacts in a more subdued and even forced manner without emotion. Can autism come and go?
@@lucusroseno, it doesn't come and go. One can, however, react differently at different times - autistic or not. Any number of factors could come into play, including familiarity with one situation and needing to analyze the other, how hard one is masking at the time, whether one's mind is currently tuned to the situation.. or even simple things like having slept better one day than another, underlying mood, what other things one might be thinking about. There is no one way of acting or reacting that makes one autistic or not autistic, and all people have variance on how they act or react in given situations.
If you're truly curious, I recommend looking up the three functional levels of autism. If you do, understand that depending on how much an autistic person's "batteries" are full can affect one's functional level to some degree, as well. Less spoons, higher stress levels, any number of things can cause someone who is normally at one level to dip down into the upper range of the next level down, if that makes sense.
@ComradeCoconut Perfect sense. For a short time, I was conversing online with someone with Ausberger's syndrome. I've heard that referred to as a former of autism. Autism light in the popular press. Not exactly respectful, but that's the press for you. He had a hard time interacting with people face to face, but online you couldn't tell. Is Ausberger's actually autism?
@@lucusroseWe used to categorize Ausberger's and Autism separately but now we classify it as the same disorder, but on a spectrum.
Well God Damn. lol
I'm a firm believer that everyone everywhere has some level of ASD, most.. like 80% 90% of the world has it so minumally it's basically negligable.. but the remainig 20%-10% are mild to extremely on the spectrum.
I do not believe there is a single person on or off this planet (yes I'm including astronaughts in space here) that has 0% ASD traits.
What we define currently as ASD are the extreme more pronounced traits and behaviours.. I don't think we know enough about the brain to catagorically prove or disprove this belief
To clarify, these are my opinions, I am not spouting facts, reasonable minds can differ. :)
About 100% of people have at least one symptom of a cold, such as mucus in their noses. Are we all infected right now?
The thing is, the symptoms that autistic people experience are things neurotypicals experience as well. It's the severity and frequency that make it a diagnosis.
Unless you are actually tested, and diagnosed by a doctor. Please stop buying into crap people are telling you.
Genderqueer, all those annecdotes...
Yeah sorry, no tests needed
@@chrissi.enbyYT so you're gay? Good for you. Unless you are diagnosed as autistic, or Trans you are neither. You need to go through therapy and testing to determine whether you are either trans or autistic. If some one tells you they think you are either one of these yet have no medical degree not believing a one of them.
There is a big difference between autistic and openly emotional. An autistic person can have a genius IQ because they observe and remember everything around them forever. An emotional person lets their mind get ahead of them and will react to events that are beyond their control.
We dont remember everything forever, that makes us sound infallible. That sounds more like a savant. Dont get me wrong, our tendancy towards logic and reasoning often leaves people to *think* we're smart but tbh we're just more inquisitive and thats it. Not necessarily smarter
I agree there's a difference between autism and just being openly emotional, but your reasoning for the autism is straight up wrong. Autistic people having a 'genius IQ' is a harmful stereotype. It might be true for some people, but not most. Most are average people like you and I.
Which example do you think is being openly emotional?
Crying in a loud restaurant was used as an example because loud noises were the cause of the emotion, not because the emotion was being expressed. It would still be a sign of autism if they were upset in a loud public space but kept that emotion inside.
I get so tired of amateur, pop psychology. He's not autistic. Ashley seems to be a know-it-all who wants to diagnose something in everyone, tell us all How It Is, and warp people to her will.
Bruh Finn is very much autistic
Ok, but also marginalised people like trans people of consistently been discriminated by the psychological profession, including medicalisation being complicit in the state criminalising us. So I'm not going to respect the profession completely now. Like it's a generation ago that we were all institutionalised.
Autistic dose not mean not capable of functioning in society.
@@PlurCo , I was around "a generation ago": "we" were not "all institutionalised".
@@PlurCo , a good book that is partly about distinguishing between autism and non-autism in people whose traits may mislead laymen is _Back to Normal: Why Ordinary Childhood Behavior Is Mistaken for ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, and Autism Spectrum Disorder_ (2013), by Enrico Gnaulati, who spent decades working with many children who had autism and many children in whom it had been erroneously diagnosed.
He can't be both autistic and express the way he does live. My boyfriend also have some symptoms as getting angry for apparently no reason, pulling his own hair, lack of communication skills and aversion to strangers, but still not autistic, just somewhere in between.
Are you joking or are you serious ? XD
Autistic people are all different, sometimes drastically different, and on a spectrum of intensity of characteristics. We also learn masking to appear more “normal”. Finn doesn’t do many of the behaviors on stream that Ashley lists as autistic characteristics because he is in a comfortable environment he has full control over and can put energy into exactly how he wants to portray himself (which is why he gets tired and doesn’t stream more than 3-4 hours compared to some people who stream 8 hours a day or do 24 hr streams). Your boyfriends behavior can be related to neurodivergency but that could also be anxiety, depression, ptsd, a personality disorder, etc. it’s best to see a professional and even get a second opinion, but it’s not fair to use his behaviors as a justification for why strangers on the internet can or can’t have autism.
Clearly you don't know everyone with autism is different
first of all, autism is a spectrum. second, do you not know what masking is?
many autistic people are open, funny, charismatic, and can hide socially unacceptable behaviors pretty well. (me included.) if that's what you mean.