Using Ben 10 writers statements is a bit iffy, the main reason why most people don't use them is because they either contradict what other writers have said or contradict what the show has shown to the audience. Let's go over a few from Duncan Rouleau: "The Ben 10 universe is infinite in size." No, we have seen its size next to another universe in the show. "All the Ben's recruited in Alien X-tinction are Classic Ben from different points in his timeline." No, none of them understand teamwork, know of Alien X as an alien and even have design details wrong, like the backwards Ultimatrix. "Alien X can survive timeline destruction." directly contradicts Man of Action's QnA where they said that if a group of celestialsapians all agreed and bond their power they would survive, which is probably why he deleted his tweet.
Both Goated but honestly... just like most matches. The character vs DBS Goku is always gonna be closer than same character vs Xeno Goku... Alien X is no different
See alien x fans There is no way a 26D God can beat a Saiyan God that has toying with nigh Omnipotent demon god in his base form and causally destroying a real world
Hey, I just did a little researching and it turns out you’re right it took a bit of digging, but they’re were three instances well technically two since it wasn’t done by Vegeta not goku but it would still count since there roughly equal in power so it should still be possible for Goku to do the same where they can resist reality warping since what was used on them was technically a form of reality warping
Both are Low 1-C in the vswiki, I lean more to Xeno Goku because of the fact his all around stats would multiply, while Alien X can’t amplify his stats like Xeno Goku can, and the Keysword is an instant gg, not to mention he can steal stats from Alien X and gain them.
@dawg477 they are way further then low complex multiversal I can even get regular goku to high outerversal with the transcending dimensions scan if you use copy and paste these 超越 this means transcendence making it low outerversal or possibly outerversal
So like, my main problem here is that duncan rouleau was mainly an art director. The vast majority of "feats" I see about alien x is from people asking him on Twitter about it. Which seems a bit sus. If I wrote Dora the explorer, and I said she was an omnipotent omnipresent being who was 10000000005 deminsional and could become real and destroy us all, that doesn't mean it nessessarily lines up with the real thing. And this is assuming I'm the one who "wrote it" not co-founded the company that made it and have a reference on imdb for ben 10. Just because (one of the many) writers claim something it doesn't make it true. Just look at God of war. The writers have literally got into arguments over how strong kratos is. I just think we're too willing to take what this guy says as fact.
@okaradragonicsaiyan True, but at the same time, that ends up being my main issue with alien x versus battles. When talking about goku, superman, or whoever, there are comic panels, guidebook screenshots, and clips from movies or shows. Every time someone says something about Ben 10, all they show me is a Twitter thread.
The thing is xeno goku beyond infinite dimesions and reality because beats world is conceptually higher reality so and Infinite dimesional character less so it’s minimum bear bones boundless and there’s infinite timelines with 3/4 Sta of infinite timelines and since there one in each universe 7 and there’s infinite nesting there could be infinite 3 or 4 set of infinite timelines and there’s also Kronos which is beyond beats and infinite dimensional reaches character reaches it so that already imesurable layers cosmology and Demigra was going destroy all of this yet got put down like a dog by base xeno goku holing back HEAVLY supressed xeno goku also has ssj4 which is 1.6bx and can put limit break which is thousand multiplier higher xeno Goku just by transforming would destroy the cosmology and also each timeline contains the the multiverse and all 12 macroscosms also the living world has 4 galaxy quadrants which each have infinite galaxies and each one have a kami who has several time rooms there’s heaven and hell in the macrosim the heaven is already beyond the already infinite world and that is 0.5% of underworld which fraction of macrocosm the multiverse contains sub spaces which have the space between insta transmions which beyond dimesions and time space time all aspect of space and time and this is all part of 1 timeline difrent timelines have other sub spaces such as in gt timeline there’s Subaru space and theres also dragon ball shares cosmology with arable which is also outerversal each timelines has the multiverse which has Zeno palace which beyond multiverse in reality difernse and this could make each timeline have uneditable layers more cosmology which could make the console imesurable layers imesurable layer boundless and the multiverse has the null realm which is infinite nothingness more outerversal and Demitra puffed all this xeno goku lowball imesurable layers boundless high ball imesurable layers imesurable layers boundless
Hey, I have a question. When had Goku shown the ability to resist reality warping sure space and time since that has been shown to have a resistance towards it, but when has he been resistance towards reality warping when was shown in general?
Idk the specific page in the manga or part in the games (too lazy to find them 🤷♂️) but maybe the cards? Im not sure, its been abit since i have done xenoverse scaling
He can't, the Omnitrix would only give him the maximum natural strength of the species,Which would be Vegeta Saiyan saga level and even if he got the transformation, he would be much weaker.
Ik I'm leaving too many comments but, bro can yee not scale? I mean let's see the db parallel quests being Infinite with each timeline being held in an extradimensional coordinate with each exceeding the last making an infinite hierarchy or infinite hyper the time nest contains all of these making it low outer if u don't agree with that too bad since Toki toki the bird is stated to be above all dimensions all dimensions being all spacial and temporal dimensionals as he's the nessessary existence for all of creation hmmm that's sounds like he's the god of the db cosmology which we can jus take as is to be high outer but let's till low ball to Outer then u got him being absorbed and being demolished by base Xeno goku after demigra reaches his stage 3 form and threatens the real world/beats world which views db as fiction and they hav to join the game as AVATARS making them a boundless realm since the db universe cannot contain their higher dimensional beings, making stage 3 demigra boundless and base Xeno goku boundless for whopping him and the speed is irrelevant ofc, He has hax like boundary manipulation, conceptual, reality, probability, space, time, perfect miracles, soul, fate etc manipulation and those are only a few since he has around 2 full pages and more hax Yh he no concept of difficulty Ben 10 and it's not even close, as a matter of fact u can debate dbs goku doing the same but not to the degree of Xeno goku
Wtf where did they get infinite layers into boundless cuz omnipotent is high outer 💀💀, Bro Xeno goku in base takin all their lunch money and making them victims of dbs goku
@@BreadMasterKalorie bro don't get me started, Alien X lost to fodders such as 4 arms 💀 and Lego Tell me any feat that puts him above base Xeno goku before he even reached the end stage of buu saga 😐 But if u wanna debate, Dbs Krillin vs Alien X I'd be more than happy to slam u in a debate
@bamboteevee he's not talking about reboot alien x because reboot alien x can be beat by me with a frying pan. I'm talking about the og alien x, the one who scales above the chrono navigator which can destroy all of reality, the one who recreated the map of infinity which is an artifact that contains all of space and 17 higher dimensions, the one who scales above clock work who was able to restore infinite number of timelines, the one who has omnipresence and omnipotence, the one who can literally do anything he wants, the one who can destroy universes with thoughts.
@@BreadMasterKalorie guess wat even at a low ball Base, Xeno Goku still scales conceptually higher 😶, And that's granting Alien X every argument u can think of, whilst still heavily holding back for Goku 😂 Base Xeno Goku scales boundless at a heavy low ball with Limit break SSJ4 easily being several layers into boundless And like I said that's low ball, if u want proof, I'll send u links, but if u wanna know why I'd be happy to share the scale with u
@@BreadMasterKalorie also, I'd love to see the proof for him being Omniscient, present and potent If u got links or scans, pls do share And before I forget, u don't need anything to beat both Alien X, u being a real human means ur conceptually higher and no fictional character can do sht to u, so u don't need a frying pan for any fictional character a single breath is enough to blow them away
Alien X is the Omnitrix's DNA sample transformation of a Celectial Sapien. Alien X is nigh omnipotent, capable of recreating an entire universe in an instant therefore goku cannot beat alien x
No that's not how it works jus being above space time doesn't mean u are immune to time or space manipulation that's where u wrong, U need to be above the concept of space time to be immune to space time manipulation, Cuz being 100th dimensional there's still space and time can be applied to it since they go hand in hand, therefore space is present and space manipulation would work same with time, They need to be above the concepts in order not to be effected by the manipulation, simple
How are you not immune to space-time manipulation if you are physically and dimensionally surpassing it, people who can manipulate 2D worlds can't affect 3D worlds and so on and so forth. And in the 100th dimension, there is no space and time, because is is the 100th dimension, it probably contains a concept of reality so far beyond our comprehension that space time doesnt mean shit to them.
me personally I put alien x at 27d. this is ofc partly due to the naljians 26d statement but also cus of the contumalia barrier being extradimensional so adding +1 to dimensionality making it 27d. This makes sense cus if the purpose of the barrier was to protect the contumalia from the 26d big bang then ofc it would have to scale to or above it
Facts he was just the Art director who had no control over the series. Majority of his statements are contradicted and proven wrong. He even admitted he was just joking and trolling.
Even if Alien X is still stronger then Xeno Goku were sadly ain't given much more feats with how little the alien shows up and Alien X can do anything its literally been stated this
Using Ben 10 writers statements is a bit iffy, the main reason why most people don't use them is because they either contradict what other writers have said or contradict what the show has shown to the audience. Let's go over a few from Duncan Rouleau:
"The Ben 10 universe is infinite in size." No, we have seen its size next to another universe in the show.
"All the Ben's recruited in Alien X-tinction are Classic Ben from different points in his timeline." No, none of them understand teamwork, know of Alien X as an alien and even have design details wrong, like the backwards Ultimatrix.
"Alien X can survive timeline destruction." directly contradicts Man of Action's QnA where they said that if a group of celestialsapians all agreed and bond their power they would survive, which is probably why he deleted his tweet.
He usually does this to "prove a point" of a matchups winner.
That MOA statement about him not being able to survive timeline destruction is untrue.
It literally contradicts what was shown.
Both Goated but honestly... just like most matches. The character vs DBS Goku is always gonna be closer than same character vs Xeno Goku...
Alien X is no different
You got me in the end. Good job.
(Also W video)
Ya should be watching the full vid lol, thanks bro
Can you scale god fusion goku
Above the tiering system
So yh
@@bamboteevee he is beyond fiction Jump Force Goku is Beyond Tiering system level
See alien x fans There is no way a 26D God can beat a Saiyan God that has toying with nigh Omnipotent demon god in his base form and causally destroying a real world
Wait as second, did you intentionally leave out the many worlds theory stuff, hypertimeline etc to make it more fair?
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@@okaradragonicsaiyanxeno goku always wins
Nah!@@DenHoodious
@@DenHoodiousyea on getting his but kicked
@@FIRE-zt6vw buddy you can’t even spell butt right
Whats the exact conclusion who wins the battle between alien x and goku ?
That an extremely lowball Xeno Goku tramples the entire Ben 10 verse
alien x is 26D hyperversal
Xeno Goku is High Outerversal in db xenoverse
Yes alien x is no match for High Outerversal Saiyan God
@@KhantKhant-jt5to yeah man that is true
@@KhantKhant-jt5toxeno is weak a heck. If i recall mui was stronger than xeno
Nah, hes not@@FIRE-zt6vw
I hope for you to cover the whole list of xeno hax
maybe in a full retrospective for scaling xeno goku. but itd be like 2x the time length and 3x the pain XD
@@okaradragonicsaiyanboth still get one shot by Alfred
Bro that's gonna take ages
W video fr
Hey, I just did a little researching and it turns out you’re right it took a bit of digging, but they’re were three instances well technically two since it wasn’t done by Vegeta not goku but it would still count since there roughly equal in power so it should still be possible for Goku to do the same where they can resist reality warping since what was used on them was technically a form of reality warping
Alien x is 26D hyperversal
Xeno Goku is a High Outerversal Saiyan God
Both are Low 1-C in the vswiki, I lean more to Xeno Goku because of the fact his all around stats would multiply, while Alien X can’t amplify his stats like Xeno Goku can, and the Keysword is an instant gg, not to mention he can steal stats from Alien X and gain them.
Aline x does not need to increase his stats, itself already infinite.
@dawg477 they are way further then low complex multiversal I can even get regular goku to high outerversal with the transcending dimensions scan if you use copy and paste these 超越 this means transcendence making it low outerversal or possibly outerversal
WTF Alien X only have a Low Universal feat at best and Xeno Goku can destroy tori bot realm making Xeno Goku infinite layers into Boundless bro 🙏💀.
@@miftahuljannat3050there are multiple forms of infinities what infinity 😋. 3D , 4D ?¿? Which one because his best feat is literally Low Universal.
@@Compgodzilla777-of3nb He is stated to be omnipotent by the author 🥱 there is nothing beyond omnipotent
So like, my main problem here is that duncan rouleau was mainly an art director. The vast majority of "feats" I see about alien x is from people asking him on Twitter about it. Which seems a bit sus. If I wrote Dora the explorer, and I said she was an omnipotent omnipresent being who was 10000000005 deminsional and could become real and destroy us all, that doesn't mean it nessessarily lines up with the real thing. And this is assuming I'm the one who "wrote it" not co-founded the company that made it and have a reference on imdb for ben 10. Just because (one of the many) writers claim something it doesn't make it true. Just look at God of war. The writers have literally got into arguments over how strong kratos is. I just think we're too willing to take what this guy says as fact.
Definitely a fair take but we dont really get much else for Alien X besides this really..
@okaradragonicsaiyan True, but at the same time, that ends up being my main issue with alien x versus battles. When talking about goku, superman, or whoever, there are comic panels, guidebook screenshots, and clips from movies or shows. Every time someone says something about Ben 10, all they show me is a Twitter thread.
cause thats all there is to show for , i get it it is indeed a problem they need to resolve@@zombie9865
Derrick J Wyatt is the art director not Duncan Rouleau.
Wow
Lmao i skip to the end and heard he win i was about to click off😂😂😂 u got me so ill subscribe
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The thing is xeno goku beyond infinite dimesions and reality because beats world is conceptually higher reality so and Infinite dimesional character less so it’s minimum bear bones boundless and there’s infinite timelines with 3/4 Sta of infinite timelines and since there one in each universe 7 and there’s infinite nesting there could be infinite 3 or 4 set of infinite timelines and there’s also Kronos which is beyond beats and infinite dimensional reaches character reaches it so that already imesurable layers cosmology and Demigra was going destroy all of this yet got put down like a dog by base xeno goku holing back HEAVLY supressed xeno goku also has ssj4 which is 1.6bx and can put limit break which is thousand multiplier higher xeno Goku just by transforming would destroy the cosmology and also each timeline contains the the multiverse and all 12 macroscosms also the living world has 4 galaxy quadrants which each have infinite galaxies and each one have a kami who has several time rooms there’s heaven and hell in the macrosim the heaven is already beyond the already infinite world and that is 0.5% of underworld which fraction of macrocosm the multiverse contains sub spaces which have the space between insta transmions which beyond dimesions and time space time all aspect of space and time and this is all part of 1 timeline difrent timelines have other sub spaces such as in gt timeline there’s Subaru space and theres also dragon ball shares cosmology with arable which is also outerversal each timelines has the multiverse which has Zeno palace which beyond multiverse in reality difernse and this could make each timeline have uneditable layers more cosmology which could make the console imesurable layers imesurable layer boundless and the multiverse has the null realm which is infinite nothingness more outerversal and Demitra puffed all this xeno goku lowball imesurable layers boundless high ball imesurable layers imesurable layers boundless
Scale god fusion goku pls bro
Hey, I have a question. When had Goku shown the ability to resist reality warping sure space and time since that has been shown to have a resistance towards it, but when has he been resistance towards reality warping when was shown in general?
Idk the specific page in the manga or part in the games (too lazy to find them 🤷♂️) but maybe the cards? Im not sure, its been abit since i have done xenoverse scaling
Thanks for telling me I will try and see if I can find it😊
@@xaviervazquez4275did u find it
What font do you use for your thumbnails and how do I get it?
I use a render vs template, not sure on the font. I make em on canvas
@@okaradragonicsaiyan which website is that?
Heroes has 13 to infinite number of dimensions and then some
Can Ben scan Goku because he’s technically an alien so does that mean he can go super Saiyan 4 too
He can't, the Omnitrix would only give him the maximum natural strength of the species,Which would be Vegeta Saiyan saga level and even if he got the transformation, he would be much weaker.
And another 1, Xeno goku is immune to magic and most hax 💀
Ik I'm leaving too many comments but, bro can yee not scale?
I mean let's see the db parallel quests being Infinite with each timeline being held in an extradimensional coordinate with each exceeding the last making an infinite hierarchy or infinite hyper the time nest contains all of these making it low outer if u don't agree with that too bad since Toki toki the bird is stated to be above all dimensions all dimensions being all spacial and temporal dimensionals as he's the nessessary existence for all of creation hmmm that's sounds like he's the god of the db cosmology which we can jus take as is to be high outer but let's till low ball to Outer then u got him being absorbed and being demolished by base Xeno goku after demigra reaches his stage 3 form and threatens the real world/beats world which views db as fiction and they hav to join the game as AVATARS making them a boundless realm since the db universe cannot contain their higher dimensional beings, making stage 3 demigra boundless and base Xeno goku boundless for whopping him and the speed is irrelevant ofc,
He has hax like boundary manipulation, conceptual, reality, probability, space, time, perfect miracles, soul, fate etc manipulation and those are only a few since he has around 2 full pages and more hax
Yh he no concept of difficulty Ben 10 and it's not even close, as a matter of fact u can debate dbs goku doing the same but not to the degree of Xeno goku
New vid W+i appeared in the vid lol(discord)
Wtf where did they get infinite layers into boundless cuz omnipotent is high outer 💀💀,
Bro Xeno goku in base takin all their lunch money and making them victims of dbs goku
Xeno goku, cc goku and the entire verse ain't doing shit against alien x
@@BreadMasterKalorie bro don't get me started, Alien X lost to fodders such as 4 arms 💀 and Lego
Tell me any feat that puts him above base Xeno goku before he even reached the end stage of buu saga 😐
But if u wanna debate, Dbs Krillin vs Alien X I'd be more than happy to slam u in a debate
@bamboteevee he's not talking about reboot alien x because reboot alien x can be beat by me with a frying pan. I'm talking about the og alien x, the one who scales above the chrono navigator which can destroy all of reality, the one who recreated the map of infinity which is an artifact that contains all of space and 17 higher dimensions, the one who scales above clock work who was able to restore infinite number of timelines, the one who has omnipresence and omnipotence, the one who can literally do anything he wants, the one who can destroy universes with thoughts.
@@BreadMasterKalorie guess wat even at a low ball Base, Xeno Goku still scales conceptually higher 😶,
And that's granting Alien X every argument u can think of, whilst still heavily holding back for Goku 😂
Base Xeno Goku scales boundless at a heavy low ball with Limit break SSJ4 easily being several layers into boundless
And like I said that's low ball, if u want proof, I'll send u links, but if u wanna know why I'd be happy to share the scale with u
@@BreadMasterKalorie also, I'd love to see the proof for him being Omniscient, present and potent
If u got links or scans, pls do share
And before I forget, u don't need anything to beat both Alien X, u being a real human means ur conceptually higher and no fictional character can do sht to u, so u don't need a frying pan for any fictional character a single breath is enough to blow them away
I like the video do more
Alien X is the Omnitrix's DNA sample transformation of a Celectial Sapien. Alien X is nigh omnipotent, capable of recreating an entire universe in an instant therefore goku cannot beat alien x
Hes talking about xeno goku
Not normal goku
1-Almost omnipotent does not scale to anything
2-That is absolute fodder
Low end alien x 5d midball 6d highball 26d
They don't downplay Ben ten's universe.
They just put them against like marvel in d c and shit like than elder scrolls
Ben can just scan goku he’s an alien 🤯
Crazy
No that's not how it works jus being above space time doesn't mean u are immune to time or space manipulation that's where u wrong,
U need to be above the concept of space time to be immune to space time manipulation,
Cuz being 100th dimensional there's still space and time can be applied to it since they go hand in hand, therefore space is present and space manipulation would work same with time,
They need to be above the concepts in order not to be effected by the manipulation, simple
How are you not immune to space-time manipulation if you are physically and dimensionally surpassing it, people who can manipulate 2D worlds can't affect 3D worlds and so on and so forth. And in the 100th dimension, there is no space and time, because is is the 100th dimension, it probably contains a concept of reality so far beyond our comprehension that space time doesnt mean shit to them.
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Isnt omnipotent the strongest 💀
Your such a troll for doing that at the conclusion😂
Um I'm SoRrY! BuT gOkU sOlO's ThIs OnE aBoVe AlL wAnNa Be. (In all reality great video man. But I had to go with a joke)
so what about ultimate alien x if there is one
It's still a stomp, and that's even though the version in the video is an ultra lowball scale Of Xeno Goku
Goku AF victims
goku af is ocs fallacy doesn't count
U wanna put non cannon then put ultimate alien X,the literal reality itself
Great video but both can reach outer to high outer
Nope
Only Xeno Goku
Meat riding 💀
Do you even know anything about Xeno Goku?
me personally I put alien x at 27d. this is ofc partly due to the naljians 26d statement but also cus of the contumalia barrier being extradimensional so adding +1 to dimensionality making it 27d. This makes sense cus if the purpose of the barrier was to protect the contumalia from the 26d big bang then ofc it would have to scale to or above it
Make sense since ben10 verse has string theory.
I’ve spent a decent amount of time studying string theory, there is no 27th dimension. Bosonic string theory only goes up to 26, so he can’t be 27th.
@@Stuaduck if he's extradimensional then he should be able to tho pretty sure
There is over a 100 dimension’s conquered by Dagon. Alien X is probably above all of ‘em
@@FraudballI don't think those dimensions are spatial dimensions, but parallel ones.
I don't know about you all but Alien x solo
True
Absolutely not, but give me Ben's exploits.
Never scale again did u js say smtransvending dimensionality is 6d 💀
Transcending lower dimensions... not dimensionality as a whole as ithe scan was actually trying to imply 💀
Lol W
allien x wins this match up
No lol didn't watch this video it said Xeno Goku wins
he def wins xeno goku is low 1-c while alien x is 1-a@@Abrold
@@Moddingskylands lmao no Xeno Goku and alien x is both low 1-C in vsbattlewiki stop the Biased
@@Moddingskylandsyou joking right? How can Hyperversal alien x can beat a High Outerversal Saiyan God?
high outerversal alien x@@KhantKhant-jt5to
The whole six thoughts thing was said by DJW who shouldn't be a realiable source he can definitely do it in a single thought
Facts he was just the Art director who had no control over the series. Majority of his statements are contradicted and proven wrong. He even admitted he was just joking and trolling.
Even if Alien X is still stronger then Xeno Goku were sadly ain't given much more feats with how little the alien shows up and Alien X can do anything its literally been stated this