TURBO TPI-BOOSTED TUNE PORT
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2020
- FULL BOOSTED DYNO RESULTS-Low Buck, DIY Turbo TPI. Tune Port L98 + Turbo Boost! Does the TPI respond to Boost? Can you make you a low $ Callaway Corvette Combo? L98 plus boost plus a cam swap. Will a Nitrous Cam work as a Boost cam? What is Better than TPI? Easy, Turbo TPI!
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That TPI manifold is absolutely top 5 of the coolest intakes Chevy ever made.
Absolutely agree. I have my 89 firebird with it and think it would make good truck motor with all of that low end torque. Wood love to have an old Z71 with 4x4 and tpi.
number1 is the zr1
I think it's awesome I changed my tpi to stealth ram I miss my low end torque but love being able to pull to 6k
Unmatched torque.
@@backyardbuck6362 GM should have made the an l98 engine option in the in the trucks
Ive always love the look of the TPI intake.
Me too. It looks very high performance.
I still love looking at my TPI L98 when I open my hood. It's still badass looking today
My 87 Formula 350 with a bone stock L98 / 700R4 drivetrain with very low mileage (less than 10K original) made 217rwhp on a dynojet. That's really respectable for a motor with a factory rating of 225hp and would indicate these engines were making a little more power than advertised.
Woo 4 in the morning... oh look a new Richard Holdener dyno video. Winning.
thanks for these tpi vids recently rich, very overlooked motors imo
Another consideration is the intake plenum itself. It had two bridges behind the throttle body that seem to dynamically block intake airflow above 4400 rpm. I bought a new Corvette in '85 and with less than 50 miles on it, ground out and smoothed the intake of the manifold and installed 1.6 rockers - made a big difference in 1985, moving the peak up to nearly 5000 rpm
With TPI the tuned length is what it is, the idea is to keep the torque up without the drastic drop off at 4,700 RPM and when you do that you end up with a fast car that doesn't want to rev past 6K regardless. I had a 350 that would pull hard to about 5,600-5700 RPM but made tons of torque down low. Very fun to drive I assure you and stop light to stop light amazing. Also got 26MPG doing 75MPH with a T-56 behind it.
Could it tow?
@@xmo552 It will if you don't mind replacing clutch discs and refacing your flywheel every few hundred miles. Towing is all about having the right cam. A cam that likes to rev over 5K is not that, no matter what induction system. I know because I towed with my TPI that has an XFI cam with 216/223 dur and destroyed my clutch in the process.
@@twinsemi
I'd go automatic on this truck.
I just picked up a 1989 Corvette Tune port that the guy took all apart and could remember how to put it back together. $1,800. I got all the machine work done and assembled the motor myself and have it back in the car..! That tune port looks cool and its light as heck...!!
I had a 1988 Iroc with the 305 and a 5 speed with the tuned port it was a torque monster as it never left me unhappy .
The first car I ever built was a regal with a 305 TPI. fully polished, ported, match ported, larger injectors. I built a 700R4.i wish I had a turbo or two.. no training, just shade tree mechanics. Just books and alot of peterson publications. I was 19yrs. Old. Wish I still had that car. Thank for the trip down memory lane.
I've followed your work for years in the magazines and it's completely awesome to see you on youtube and getting to try all this crazy stuff and bring back some really cool articles. Thank you for the content!
ANOTHER GREAT video ! Thank you Richard !!I was always curious about the tuned port intake, I worked at G.M. dealership most of my life,and never got to dyno a tuned port motor
I've just recently got a Boosted vehicle. Fell in love instantly and just wanted to say that you are correct. Boost makes everything better!
Congratulations Richard. I subscribed when you had around 10000 subs. Watched this video and just noticed you have over 40000 subs and growing. The variety on your channel is amazing and right to the point with no fluff. Thank you for what you do.
I owned two 85 irocs in the late 90’s... one stock 305 the other a 350, did the slp runners, ASM tb, slp base plate and the edelbrock headers/y pipe... talk about a walk down memory lane! I learned on the 350 cars that too much gears was about as bad as not enough... had 3:73’s, then switched to an Australian 9 bolts with 3:2x and gained 1 tenth and 1mph at the 1/4 lol... sold the car later and my friend did a carb swap with the “hot cam” but that tq was never the same...
Had one for my highscool ride in the early '00s, modded right they're streetlight assassins LoL made alot of lunch monies against the fastless & furious crowds
I went to a junkyard and bought a rear end. At the time i didnt know about the aussie 9 bolt. Thats what i ended up buyin.....
I have learned so much watching your videos. Thank you keep them coming bro.
Thanks Richard, stay healthy and safe.
Thank you for what you do. Can't wait for each days video drop. Patiently awaiting some 351 windsor love !
loved the content chief, keep up the great input and the classic we all wonder about, the tpi was a camaro jewel but gen 2 sbc 350s bring on the crank, cam, aluminum heads and every boost system available chief
Thanks for all your hard work testing bro great work
Good morning Mr Holdener! I must admit that I love your videos because you make a lot of technical things easier to understand, and you're also making it very very difficult for me to not BOOST the crap out of my 1987 corvette L98 🤣! I just purchased it and im thinking maybe a mini ram intake and cam for now. Maybe boost later 😎
My Brother had a '89 GTA TransAm and we used to love to kill 5.0 mustangs back in the day!!!
Brought back alot of memories!
OH YEA? My cousin in West Tennessee bought/ordered a brand spank new 1989 TURBO TRANS AM 20TH ANNIVERSARY INDY PACE. Had our own 1/4 mile spray paint lined across an old 2 lane road between the cotton fields rite outside of town. So we SMOKED EM ALL PRETTY MUCH back then[stangs, vettes, u name it!! LOL!
Awesome! Had TPI in my 86 IROC. Was such a cool setup back in the day.
That’s awesome. I’m impressed. That thing was a torque monster. Had to be fun to drive in whatever it went into. Hopefully it made it to a chassis. I always liked those engines back in the day.
Thank you so much for the l98 build!!!
Great video! I did my turbo TPI setup back in 05! I never had my car dynoed, but full weight Third Gen Firebird running 130mph in the 1/4 mile. Has to be making pretty good power. Still have it today. I beat up on many LS cars
I have a 5.7 85 vette any info on how I can start a turbo build?
I loved this video! I have a ‘91 camaro with a TPI L98 and I want to drag race with it and so this is amazing to see. Even with just tuning it made over 300hp so thank lord I have hope lol love the vids keep it up!
Tuned port swaps were the shit in the 90's
Chevy swaps have always been the shit. From carbed SBC's to TPI's to Gen 2 LT1's to LS... Cheapest, easiest and most reliable way to go fast. I'm just waiting on Gen V prices to drop...
@@jaydubb71 my FIL 's Ford Deuce coupe had a 1955 Chevy V8 in it......so as soon as there was a Chevy V8, one was put in that Ford car.
So we're funky paint jobs.
So was mountains of cocaine
Just the fact that you said “he shit” tells me you are 90s
Cool! Makes me feel even better about my build plan for my Frankenstein themed K5. It's an 84 GMC Jimmy with dana 60 feint corp 14 bolt rear axles from military CUCV square body, a zz4 sbc long block, built late model 700R4, rebuilt NP205 transfer case, and refurbished TPI system which bolts right up to the aluminum heads on the zz4. I think the long intake runners on the TPI and small intake volume of the zz4 heads will make a great truck engine. Perhaps I will go ahead and get twin turbos for it since I dont have headers or exhaust yet!
TPI cars did awesome donuts
I like how you got back around to how these are slightly underrated from factory whilst giving lots of info lol cool
I own a 87 4+3 Vette . I runs good but I have a 5.3 ls motor going in there . But thanks for posting up what the old tpi motor is doing .
You should try out the First Performance TPI Intake and do a dyno run with one of those
I wish I could post pics, I just put a turbo 89 l98 tune port in a 1976 Toyota land crusier. Didn't know if it was even possible but made it work
Right on Man. I have a 86 Iroc z and love the TPI
Thank you for the L98 video!!
Awesome Richard !!
I swapped in a late 80's TPI 5.7 into my Camaro. I dont know what the numbers were but it pulled great at the low end, would spin the tires on the first 2 gear shifts on a built 700r4.
Cool to see this, currently waiting on a new distributor for a guys 89 Pontiac GTA, lost spark and car died at 100 mph,he said scared the hell out of him with no power steering at that speed, old distributor looked like it was from the bottom of a salt lake , guts come apart in it.
Your the best Richard I’ve been asking about Holset turbos for some time now because I have so many laying around and don’t know what to do or how to size them BUT!!!!
I have a big one!!! Came off a 12.1 liter diesel, military equipment
You just need to learn how to read a compressor map. Reading a turbine map helps too. Any displacement engine at a given volumetric efficiency at a specific rpm will use a specific amount of air per psi. Now weather you measure total air in cfm (like Garrett) or in kg/min (like Mitsubishi) changes your calculations. A good baisic rule of thumb for me is turbo on engine a spools x psi at x rpm. Engine B displacement multiply by given rpm. Take total and divide by engine B displacement equals engine B spool rpm roughly (different engine shave diffent VE). As long as you don't choke the engine with the compressor or turbine this works pretty well.
MOST AWESOME VIDEO !! KEEP THE SBC ALIVE !! THANKS RICHARD !!!
We will!
I wonder if a progressive boost curve could flatten the torque curve. I’d imagine you would need a good wastegate and obviously an electronic programmable controller. .....andddddd you just mentioned it in the video, as I’m watching lmao!
Great video!! 👍🏻
Love to Watch your videos but still waiting on the dodge 4.7 L Big bang to find out what works, what helps and what doesn’t.
Boost makes everything better. I love it! Really needs to be on a shirt!
Is it possible that you meant 'Shirt' ???....
@@uncletevan oops!!!🤣 thanks for catching that!
Love to see Similar camshafts one a nitrous cam shaft and one a turbo cam and one na cam on the motor of your choosing with same set up on boost also same about of boost back to back
For stock heads on a Tune Port that's decent numbers. It would be a riot to drive be in a truck.
They make great truck motors with all of that torque.
I've said for years the TBI should have been the hp application and the trucks should have had the TPI. I've done plenty of street cars and trucks with TPI with a mild cam, portmatch, and tight headers for good fuel economy and torque. great for towing. did one 383 that had almost 600 ft lbs.
I would love to see more information on tpi versus tbi? Because these tune port injection engines, made great torque down low. Surprise you didn't see these intakes in more truck applications.
People didn’t care so much about modding their trucks back then plus they were needed for work. Whatever came from the factory was generally good enough. Very few “fools” were building their new truck in those days.
Damn good Truck engine.
The power is awesome, especially for an engine essentially unchanged since 1955, but I hate turbo under-hood heat and plumbing challenges. But damn that's a lot of power from a low budget setup. Lot of power. Lots and lots 'o power...
And in future news:
"C4 Corvette Owner Rendered Completely Insane By Attempted Turbo Installation."
Yeah trying to turbo the TPi in my corvette is not going to be easy.
Look up beckers garage 😉
I have a soft spot for these engines and the cars they came in. I had a few TPI F Body cars over the years, mostly in the mid to late 90s. They were cheap back then.
I can only think of one cooler looking intake used by GM and that is on the LT-5 in the ZR-1. I just never should have worked on an LS motor because everything is easier with them. Really cool to see this stuff thanks for doing the video!
we have one of those too
Great content! One day you'll get your hands on an adapter plate to mount a Toyota or Nissan v8 to the dyno. Keep up the good work!
I just like the gen 1 sbc! More people have had more tire smoking fun with a gen 1 sbc than all other motors(engines) combined!!! I still run N 010 block to this very day!
Great video
Those motors were very torquey mh friend had an 87 gta and for being stock it was an animal off the line
best truck motor gm ever produced. whole bunch of fun on the street!!
that was only ever in corvettes and camaros... trucks had tbi
Based on the power curve I think it did have the factory cam. I like the look of TPI too and I think it would have made a great system for a truck where you want low end power.
With the ls craziness I like watching older stuff.. working on a 4gen Lt1 .. like to see what u can do with that motor.
With the 1.6 rockers and the cam it comes to 629 total lift for a every day driver within lsa of 109..in a 1994 Chevy Silverado yes it got a lift kit ..
Awesome info.
Thank you for making this 👍🏻. Shame there was no video of this thing running. Must say the TPI has the weirdest power curve of any engine. No top end.
the TPI has tons of top end ......compared to a flat head.
Ive always loved these TPI intakes and ive dreamt of putting one on a 350 for awhile now. I finally own a 96 K1500 that came with a new-ish goodwrench 350 and my plan is to manual swap the truck with a brand new SM465, and swap in a mild cam, some new lifters, springs and rockers, a TPI intake with Vortec base and then give it a nice tune. Should be a really nice truck to drive in my opinion. Super torquey for off road and mild street driving.
This is my Cars & Coffee in the morning!
Mine too
there is more coming this afternoon-brunch!!
@@richardholdener1727 ,
Love your engine videos, they are top notch, especially the intake manifold comparisons. NASA quality testing. 👍 😎
Were you writing articles and racing Mustangs back in the mid 90 to late 90's ?
Your name looks familiar from Super Ford, Hot Rod and Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords magazines. I made a mistake and sold my 1990 5.0 Mustang back in 1998. 😭😢😲
Love that engine
I would LOVE to see an update with a more modern style intake manifold. Maybe a modified LT1 or Mini Ram or RamJet, etc. I’d love a big bang too. Haha
Love the TPI motors. Best truck motor GM ever put in a Camaro.
Takes me back to the days as an inexperienced (dumb) kid, tried to make my own siamesed runners for more top-end power. Luckily I had another set of stockers to put on.
I have a dyno test that says those siamesed TPI runners do produce more power ........
@@niagrasprings I believe it.
But making your own doesn't always go well. Especially when you're inexperienced with welding aluminum.
@@idriwzrd My male parent never taught me anything about working on cars, because he did not know anything. I had to pick it up myself, any way that I could. One of my first major successes, at age 16, was switching the two barrel manifold and carburetor on my 1969 Nova to a quadrajet set up. It was a major undertaking for a 16 year old with no substantial support, and something that my male parent was counting on me NOT to be able to do, because he wanted my car to be slow. Then there is all of the stuff that I messed up --like the horrible paint job that I put on the same car, because I just did not know much about paint, which I still can NOT do, and avoid because its so toxic. I became a machinist, a mechanic, and a welder, mostly so I could know how to work on cars ......now there is a huge electronic aspect to it too. How far along in welding aluminum were you when the attempt was made on the TPI runner tubes?
Great video!
Thanks!
I love the tuned port content. Maybe do some porting on it with a bigger throttle body.
Ran a 383 with the old lt4 hotcam kit and tpi in my 88 formula 350 for 15+ years. With a b&m holeshot 2400, it was a torquey driver. That intake designed made 1st gear in the 4l60 useless under wot.
I'd LOVE to see the same TPI testing with NO2 instead of turbo, I think that will break your mold and show a different curve.
TPI = Torque Producing Intake.
Great setup in 4X4's like Landcruisers etc, in the days before LS's.
It seems like a TPI setup on a 383 would make a great combo for a truck or other application where you want lots of low speed torque. Even a street motor in a heavier car.
Would love to hear your thoughts Richard.
I'd also love to see that setup tested. GM's HT383E long block/heads with its stock RV cam mated to a Corvette TPI with a Scoggin-Dickey Vortec TPI intake base.
Then add turbo.
I'll bet the result is a killer street/truck motor.
lots of truck guys running that intake-works well
Go look up "how long until it grenades" on The Turbo Forums. Bring a drink and a snack you'll be there for a while in awe of what a TPI can do when you wring every last solitary half ounce of power from it.
@@richardholdener1727
Have you got any experience or knowledge on draw thru turbo stuff possibly on a SBC? I know GM and Ford experimented with this shortly in the late 70s and early 80s... as well as aftermarket RV kits. Currently I know the aircooled VW guys use that tech successfully. I'm kind of wondering if low psi boost could help me.
@@richardholdener1727
You tuned most of these with a Holley XFI, correct ?
Wow. That is a very small camshaft.
You didn't really go over the head flow, or the intake flow?!
You're right, the tuned port intake looks so cool. My friends always thought that intake would flow so well, but I always explained that they are just for low and mid range torque. They are all finished by 5k.
Of course it works. There was a guy that lives by me that was one of the first to do it and be on a magazine cover running 10’s I think? In a 3rd gen f-body. I can’t remember his name.
Larry Temen where are you from? Lol. My turbo TPI car was in GM High Tech magazine. And runs mid 10’s
I got a cam from comp its a 232/234@50 594/600 lift on a 115° lobe sep on a 0° off set for my turbo tpi peek tq was 512 at 3100rpms and carried it to 4700rpms before it droped. This was with factory l98 heads decked 10 thou on pump gas on 8lbs of boost. Bottom end was built ran it on the dyno at Tom bailey's pre-party in 2018.
that is a lot of cam for a tpi motor
383 w tpi, siamese runners, ported lower intake, 500+ lift on cam shaft finished off with a centrifugal supercharger tuned with a Holley/fast setup. Maybe even on AEM
Got to have the guys at First send over one of their tpi style intakes
I still have two TPI set up's, they are probably going on Marketplace. Hard to beat the LS engines... Awesome Video though!!
Where are you
Do a mid 90's LT1 build next. Stock, then HCI, and off course boost it to cap it off.
i think this is the sleeper motor. Minor tweaks to the 90's LT1 , drop it into an early c4 (L98) But then an LS2/3 would be a nice drop in but you can grab a full trans , motor and loom for so cheap for an LT1.
Trucks would love that curve for hauling
I know my ws-6 formula firebird, even with the 5.0 tpi was decent for a 305, I swapped everything to a 355, with aluminum heads, it ran good then, with T-5 and 3.45 gears, I'd like to swap a 4.8/5.3 in it now, with boost, maybe 600 tire,
AWESOME !
The tune port is a good looking gm piece.
To this day, a Calloway twin turbo C5 is the sexiest sounding street car I've ever heard.
They should have put the tuned port injection engines in pickups , I had 2 of them , both 350s in F. Bodies, an 89 Formula 350 and an 89 Iroc 5.7 , they are absolute torque monsters...I did an Accel SuperRam on the Camaro with a nice roller cam and TFS heads,SLP headers and exhaust and it Really woke up! A built 700rR and swapped to 3.42 gears ,it would break the tires loose from a 60 roll punching it .
Love your vids. You are a smart guy. My engine is a TBI 350. PLEASE MAKE A TBI VIDEO. THANKS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Ditch it they suck
wow, came across this and so memories hit me. I was the grey mustang gt at "mustang Dynamics" back in the day ( name is john shop was in anaheim off of la palma ave and lakeview) when we were the early tweakers of the 80''s mustangs. Sure, there was bbk, steeda and kaufman but actually putting supercharges and building motors we were doing that at MD (remember Saleen was down the street) You had that black hatchback and was one of the first , back then, truly racing the mustang. Rich "speed" holdener if i remember correctly. Good seeing you still in the game.
THAT IS FROM BACK IN THE DAY
@@richardholdener1727 yes it is. Remember it well!!
@@redtesta
Are you still doing ford 302 5.0 stuff?
@@xmo552 i haven't after working at mustang dynamics, back in the day and a few years later i got into corvettes after getting completely destroyed all around by one at the track LOL. I actually wanted to get (hold onto your hats) a 95/96 Mustang SVO and fully update it. That car had all the suspension and brakes the GT didn't and the GT had the motor the SVO didn't LOL. I was disappointed with the 4th gen mustangs (had a 1995 convert almost sold that thing within months with is detuned and monstrous 215hp barely 5hp more than my amazing 1985 GT 10 years prior). Last stang i had was a 1999 with the 265hp, just did some gears , pulley and exhaust (the status quo back in the day before all the options now) . I did have it along side my vettes at the time but sold it. I will always have a place in my heart for Ford especially during the 80's :) Rich, did you run the silver state back then? I m trying to remember one day you were in with the black hatch and prepping it and i could have sworn it was for silver state?)
@@redtesta
Those years are nice. I have a mark 8 and I'm building a 56 f100 with another Mark 8 donor.
I’d love to see you try making power with a Oldsmobile 307ci 5.0 V8 that was used in a ton of cars back in the 70’s and 80’s in Buick Regal’s Oldsmobile cars.
I second the motion I'd love to see an early 5a head 307 with the vin9 HO cam .440 196/210@50 109lsa or something bigger like the comp OL-xe250H-10 run on the dyno you've shown the ford and chevy 5L some love dont leave us Olds guys out in the cold
I love me some TPI stuff.
I just figured my C4 made only 240 HP so the 700 R4 would last till the warranty was expired !
Good gawd. Low boost and that much tq and good hp. Could ya imagine a camaro with 3.27 or 3.42 gears and a open highway? Fuuun
"Will a turbo work on this motor" is like asking "will a Mikes go down well right now." Yes. Of course it will. Just don't overdo it or you might find things you wanted inside make their way outside.
Hey Richard, you should do some lt1 stuff, I have a Paxton supercharger stock lt1, I want to know what difference heads and cam would do
That torque critter would be fun with the 5 speed
Show how to Holley stealth ram intake part#s links install etc. the L98 I have a 1991 is automatic bone stock would be great to see how to improve it. Im told its the corvette L98 is aluminum heads forged cam and crank and with good specs.
Thank you
Tuned Port Turbo Test motor.... say that really fast 5 time... lol!!!! Love that ole tuned port injection
Really enjoyed this video despite me mainly being a BBC and LS guy.
On the note of someone else’s suggestion...please consider offering a small batch of Decals and T-Shirts for sale. I‘d love to own both and don’t think I’m the only person.
Cheers 🍻
Same, WE NEED HOLDNER MERCHANDISE
Same, we need holdener merch
That’s a sexy looking engine!
agree
@@richardholdener1727
Start with low timing
Adjust the air fuel.
Same for everything, correct ?
Seems like this would do good with a big split cam 212 230 on a 113 and a bigger turbo such as maybe 70-72 since all the torque is there early try to move it out with a cam split not duration just having the exhaust pull it out further
I have a pile of these intakes... I liked the "Cross Fire" fuel injection also. Like you said, they are probably the best looking factory intake system ever made.
However, the reason they fall off in HP at the top, is more related to intake runner size, than the length. Inside the manifold, the runners are pretty tiny. And if you look at your graph, you can see the boosted curve is not identical to the NA. It falls off faster at high rpm, because it can't handle that much air. I believe they are probably the perfect truck manifold though...
Also, regarding the possibility of building a turbo C4 Corvette... Have you ever looked under the hood of one? There is just no extra room at all. I think a Procharger is a much more practical option, and even *that* is a very tight fit...
Take a long non ferrous ball grinder thingy and open up the plenum lower until a 3/4" socket goes through each runner.