Anand Menon on Brexit: The Starmer Government now wants the EU to do well
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Looking back at the results of the European and British elections and forward to next week's constitutive plenary session, we were delighted to host a very special event with extraordinary guests.
Susanne Oberhauser, Head of EPLO UK, welcomed everyone to an event full of reflections, assessments and predictions for the coming weeks and months.
Oumar Doumbouya, Director of the EP's External Relations Offices, opened a panel discussion with Jaume Duch, Spokesperson of the European Parliament;
Anand Menon, Director of UK in a Changing Europe and Lisa O'Carroll, Chief Correspondent, The Guardian.
The event was effortlessly moderated by Monocle's Emma Nelson.
It doesn't matter what Starmer says or thinks, he's not in control of this. The EU are the big dog and they aren't particularly interested in the yappy little mutt over the channel. Britain's future is one of managed decline, Starmer will do a much better job of managing that decline than the Tories ever could but it will still be a decline. Outside of the EU we have very little influence and outside of the single market our economy is toast. The lack of influence might not be a bad thing (we never used it for good in the past) but the economic hit is another matter. The country was already on its knees prior to 2016 thanks to corruption and nepotism. Brexit isn't the straw that broke the camels back, more like a large tree. Next stop will be devaluation of the pound followed by an IMF bailout. The really sad part about all of this is just how unnecessary it all was.
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The English still discuss changing Starmer’s mind to move closer to the EU, but seem to deny the fact that the EU is in full control (forever) of what actually will change. The English can ‘decide’ whatever they like, but the EU will make the real decisions.
Four years after Brexit, the British are still waiting for the benefits.
What Starmer wants is irrelevant. The EU just reminded Starmer that 8 points of the treaty signed 4.5 years ago still have not been implemented by the UK, and that even any TALKS will be postponed until those 8 topics are being solved.
What Starmer wants is very relevant, otherwise the be nothing to talk about, were not going back to the good old days where everyone was an enemy.
@@peteratkin3788 For us EU27 🇪🇺 - what Starmer wants is irrelevant. He can have talks on minor imprisonment once he has implemented the 8 open issues, and that is about it.
He can not have a 'better deal'.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@peteratkin3788 I see Labour supporters are still not listening.
@@EllieD.Violet Except the EU want a security deal, the UK to rejoin Erasmus to subsidise EU students and freedom of movement to the UK for the EU's under 30's ie the unemployed from the EU.
@@markmac9515 The EU has a list of demands to be met.
The UK doesn't Jump heel - no talks, not even improvement around the fringes.
That simple.
We 🇪🇺 shout: jump.
You 🇬🇧 politely ask: how high. Then you jump.
There won't be any 'better deal'. End of.
Rejoining the EU , somehow , sometime ,in some way , is essential to avoid ever more economic and social decline . To pretend otherwise is to deny the stark facts . The failed Brexit escapade of the liars leads nowhere. . Starmer & Reeve just need to get on with it !
While i understand the UKs motivation to rejoin to cure their economy like in the 70s, i still dont see why the EU should invest political and financial resources in such a project again.
We still remember what happend when the UK economy started to prosper after their last join.
Very well said.
@@Ooze-cl5tx Fully understandable in the circumstances. The impulse for rejoining goes way beyond economics. Remember that the EU was founded after WW2 . It could be argued that similar forces are at play today that wish to see a breakdown of the EU.and Brexit was part of that .
@@euroman3726 If the impulse for rejoining goes beyond the economic - why did the UK leave for non-economic reasons, damaging the economy?
@@EllieD.Violet You tell me. It was achieved through industrial scale lies .The biggest fraud ever.
I think the majority sees how dreadful Brexit was. If immigration had not been a massive barrelling monster since Brexit there might be some argument but its so clear that EU membership/ties makes basic plain good sense.
Where can I watch the whole discussion?
Hi Ayla, you'll find the full discussion on the UA-cam site of the European Parliament office in the UK: ua-cam.com/video/_mbsnC4Ez74/v-deo.html
Every day the UK remains on this side of the new 'Iron Curtain', with the EU's 450 million wealthy customers separated on the other side, but just one days lorry ride away from our farms and factories, this island's fortunes will diminish. Every single day. SO JUMP TO IT STARMER
The EU contains 450 million wealthy customers? you must be joking.
Business leaders want their cheap EU labour back.
@peterholden3672 The only uncontrolled migration is via the channel boat crossings. The French have no intention of stopping these dangerous crossings, no matter how many people die.
@peterholden3672 Please read my comment.....the only UNCONTROLLED migration is via boats and I agree it is a tiny figure in the scheme of things.. The migration from the EU whilst the UK were members was also UNCONTROLLED and overtook the supply of resources needed to cater for the over 6 million migrants.
@@markmac9515 There was nothing Uncontrolled about EU migration, the UK just never properly used the tools it had at its disposal .
As for resources that was your own choice. EU migrants put more money in to the economy then the average Brit, the UK profited from them. But instead of using part of that profit on a support network and help every one, you muppets kept voting for Austerity cuts and letting the rich reap all the benefits.
But you still preferred that because the alternative was forcing useless muppets like you to upskill and move and do the jobs we actually need while letting those jobs, businesses and people that can't compete get cut. Good bye pubs, charity shops, Betting shops etc. I personally don't mind. But don't imagine that some one is going to pay double for menial jobs and either automate it, cut it completely or implement a price increase that outstrips your salary increase
I'd be far more interested in a Professor of European Politics in what he would predict the EU will further evolve in to.
One people, one nation and one leader more than likely.
I am pro EU, but it evolving into "One people, one nation and one leader more than likely", that is bonkers, will never happen.
The idea that remaining in the EU was a predictable option is nonsense. The Euro debt crisis hasn't gone away. The EU has major challenges with on integrating central European states like Albania who wish to join and ultimately Ukraine. The bill will be enormous. Will be interested to see what happens when countries like Spain and Poland are asked to be net contributors.
@@catinthehat906it's already planned and Spain will comply. In fact we had been net contributors since 2016 to 2020 until the pandemic.
@@viquiben4919 You are not net contributors because Spain is getting Billions of additional Euro's from the Commissions Covid fund. Spain has never been a net contributor to the EU in nearly 40 years.
@peterholden3672 All member states, (not just the Eurozone), via their central banks have ownership and therefore liability for the ECB. So as a member state, the UK would have had ultimate liability for a Euro crisis. Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Lichtenstein as non members, would not.
There never was a "Golden Age of EEC/EU Membership" . From start to finish it was an endless series of arguments over money, fish and pretty much everything else. We were treated like a Cashpoint and in the end we got fed up with it and left.
Not exactly true....there were misgivings about the UK economy fitting into mainland Europe. The battleaxe Thatcher thought that she would bludgeon her views and all would be well . Subsequent UK politicians hung onto her coattails and refused to compromise.
@@paullarne We were fed a pack of lies by conmen . The economic benefits of membership far outweighed any cash sums . The billions spent on Brexit all money down the pan and much worse on the way as the economy falls back further.
Maybe take a chill pill before you have a meltdown snowflake. Yes they argued, that how democracy is supposed to work. Not this follow the leader/lemming with a bit of political theater from the opposition that we have in the UK.
As for being a Cashpoint, the UK never paid its fair share. And EU membership was massively profitable to the UK. As shown by the 90b gap in GDP we now suffer (10x our net contribution)
Anand has completely lost it. He used to pretend to be impartial, the mask has totally slipped.