The cannons are top tier. People just don’t know how to use them. Put them on stagger fire for smaller ships and sync them for larger ships. That will give you the fire rate you need to hit a smaller target, and the punch you need to down larger ones.
It's the first fighter I've been interested in since CIG first nerfed the Vanguard. The stock Guardian W/stock paint is my favorite. It has everything a solo player needs in a fighter and more. I can always upgrade shields, power plants etc. and don't care if others run away ... So as to keep it simple, less things to wear out or break. What draws me to it the most, is the interior and S5 weapons W/out a turret, so no reliance on another player/NPC.
The only other thing I need in order to call this "perfect for solo" is at least 1 SCU that attaches to the grid. But even then, it has the exterior storage. So it's still so close to perfect that I still agree with you
@@supasneaks IMO you could do deliveries and stack some 1 SCU boxes on the bed or in the suit locker. If not just stick them on the elevator and go in the front. Where there's a will, there's a way ...
@@jedi_drifter2988 Yeah I do think you're right. But now imagine this.... They just update the elevator to also be a cargo grid. THEN they sacrifice that exterior storage in the wing and replace it with a tiny garage for the Pulse! Or give the suit locker the ability to hold one (snaps in). THEN it would truly be PERFECT! Oh man it would be so glorious
I love the ship but it is not ideal for a solo playstyle(Unless you are planing on offering protection/escort services). The 30% increased IR and EM in addition to taking 5% additonal energy damage and having the lowest physical ressist aside from litterally 0% makes it both fragile and lighting up like a christmass tree. Not generaly qualities you want if you are playing solo. This ship is meant as an escort fighter so make sure that is what you actually want before you buy it.
I watched the part about the turning speed in slow motion. The normal version actually turns faster, you probably didn’t take the com delay into calculation as you started the rotation earlier. If you do the math and divide 360 by 37.5 and 35 you see it takes roughly 0.7 seconds longer for the QI. Not the end of the world but still noticeable when playing and doing a perfect test. Btw I’m not criticizing, you did a really great video, I just wanted to add 1 small thing I noticed
To be fair those Erkul numbers I dont think shows the whole story either. Between the 2 variants its noticeable but take the Vanguard series for example. Should have pretty similar rates with Vanguard I think beating out in the pitch. But in-game between the two the Guardian feels significantly more maneuverable. It's been stupid easy to black myself out just by turning too hard vs the Vanguard Warden. Which makes me wonder if Erkul doesn't take into account the position of thrusters which there are several of on the tips of the Guardian wings.
Well I wouldn't say it's "half" the size of the Vanguard. It is slightly taller than the Vanguard. When the Vanguard's wings are it is much less wide but definitely not twice it's width. The Vanguard does have a long tail and there's no getting around that. But the "core area" of the ship is roughly the same. But yes, the Guardian is definitely more compact and will actually fit in the Polaris and the 890 because of this.
In practise they are about the same size, the center mass of the Guardian is larger than the Vanguard, however the Vanguard has thin wings making the metrics larger.
@@matthewbrady5274 Those sticks with the main manuveringthrusters on them is not favorable for the Guardian. I don`t think it will be as voilent as when the fury loses one of its mains, but you are basically dead in the water if you lose one of those thrustersticks.
I find it's actually better this way. When weapons are attached directly to the wings you'll lose those weapons when the wings get taken out. I crashed landed (tried to activate QD and it took power from engines lol) and busted both of the left wings. Still had my weapon though. Acts as a secondary protection for them too.
@this right here. I have a Scorpius and at this point i lost count how many times i lost a weapons because a stray shot caught one of my wings. I prefer the guardians weapon in the position they are now
Also i think either the qi will get a nerf or the regular will get another size 2 to make it competetive with vanguards, right now its "heres two identical ships for same price basiclly but one is just better" thats not gonna last, there has to be actual pros and cons to both
well to be fair the cons of the QI is that once the QED is active it has a pretty extensive nerf to its firepower/shield/maneuverability in the form of losing access to a lot of power, you also have to keep in mind that the base variant is also "a bit" cheaper, and I mean i'm not against the "every single ship has a purpose" but I do think that having a ship that's pretty much an improvement to the base model but more costly is perfectly fine, you might say "it's just 30$" but remember that you can buy an entire game for that price, hell excellent AA games exist for less, and we don't know the price in universe... But if anything what they should've done is made the QI variant more agile and most importantly faster than the base variant and balanced it out by giving the base variant significantly more hull hp, not only would it still kinda act as an upgrade but it would also make sense seeing as a QED ship should logically act as interceptor that needs to avoid prolonged direct engagements by using its superior maneuverability to avoid receiving fire and would need to be supported by more suited crafts to actually kill something that can reasonably fight meanwhile the base variant would have more armor to protect its components instead of a QED.
@@BlueSpectre uh yes you actually do lose 3 power even with upgraded power plants, unless Erkul is wrong even with A grade competition power plants (which frankly you won't use and instead will just use a A grade military) you're making sacrifices to your combat ability, now you can still have maximum power pips on weapons (4) but that means you're willing to make sacrifices elsewhere namely on the shields/boost which is what I'm talking about when I say the nerf comes the moment you activate the QED
The cons of the QI are the reduced speed and lower maneuverability as well as requiring 3 pips when using the dampener. Those pips can then not be used for weapon, shield, or thruster recharge while trying to keep an enemy ship within 4500m of yours. Now you can say "but once I upgrade my components" but that's a fallacy because you can do the same with the regular Guardian. 😉 So the QI can get into some power management issues while the regular version (after swapping out some components for an ideal Competition/Civilian combo can have your thrusters at 6 pips while everything else is at max. The QI with the same ideal setup would lose 3 pips worth of recharge when you wish to use the dampener. So that combined with the reduced speed&agility seems to be a decent con for having that dampener. That said, I really prefer the default paintjob of the QI over the regular version (but then I like black ships).
@@DanakarEndeel speed and maneuverabilty is down to margin of error, its almost undetectable frame by frame (lots of youtubers have done just that) and until you activate the qd its litterally a base model clone, just better, cause you have a qd at your disposable to use when needed. everyone is talking like there gonna fly around with the qd on at all time and somehow be power starved 24/7. most fighters being piloted by anyone that actually pvps kill the guardian with ease so in anycase your probably gonna be interdicting with a partner at minimum if not an org suadron (insert a freakishly random comment on paint scheme preference here)
I currently have access to both, I don't feel the difference as much as others have claimed they do. I think this ship's going to end up a better F8 than the F8C because it is very agile in a strafe. The M7As aren't the best match for a fighter, but it works and I'm making quick work of NPC bounties on the early side of the rep grind. I'm trying to decide whether I'll prioritize weapons or components for the first upgrade. I'm personally leaning towards weapons, but the power plants and shield definitely need an upgrade to reduce the power management issues.
Idk. I got the standard only because i like the paint more, and i don't PVP. However, will there be missions somsday that will benefit in having the QI version? Like for instance if bounty missions start to jump away when chasing them or something.
Has one big disadvantage vs the Vanguards. Having a rear ramp on the Vanguard means you can easily get a Miirai Pulse in it. I got a Guardian yesterday and it looks awesome, but it feels like a big hit to not have the capability to carry a hoverbike for ground missions as the rear lift is not big enough I think. I may end up switching back to a Vanguard in the future.
attritions sound good at first glance but for heavy fighters that struggle with turns will hurt themself choosing attriotions since the muzzle velocity is atrocious and you nead t lead nerly twice the amount giving your opponent enough time to change vector. The best dps wepons won't have the highest effective dps if it can't land the shots on target.
@Ez0X_9S Not necessarily, for example a Hammerhead with attritions will struggle against medium and light fighters that dance around the shots. For me attritions only have a place if your target is big and slow and even then it's questionable if you use sub targeting.
@@Phoenixstorm36 Yeah, I'd definitely go more for the Galdereens or S5 gatling. The fire rate and projectile speeds are higher, so you'll hit more shots while dealing massive damage, plus you won't have to lead your target as much so less need for rotating. This would be a more balanced approach, but the Guardian does seem more like it's useful in a group to deal damage to larger prey. I don't think its optimal for head to head dog fighting with its maneuverability stats so it'll have to rely on some wing men. It seems more about dealing damage to larger targets and preventing nav mode/QTing while playing a bit of a tanky roll.
I don’t know if I would say four size 4 is too much because yeah it’s good fire power but it also isn’t the fastest ship out there so you could still be outmaneuvered and lose fight
I CCU'd my San Tok Yai to the Guardian QI. This is a welcome addition to my fleet since I held off from getting a Vanguard. Most definitely enjoy its interior for multi-role use, not just a heavy fighter. I'm considering that my Guardian QI may replace my Banu Defender to launch from my BMM... Thanks for this review @Infinite Space! 💯⚡😎
Question - They seem exceedingly similar besides the loadout of missiles, one is more agile/faster without the Quantum kit... but how are they both at travel range? Is one a heavy, long-range fighter and the other an interdictor, or are they both equivalent in terms of their travel range?
@@infinitespace239 then i think i'll sit on the base. with the CCU ready to go... they are like;y gonna nerf one or buff the other to differentiate them. the QD is a nice little addition but not the draw for me. thanks for the info.
At present time I just got a CCU to both versions and am going to wait for several months to see how/if CIG is going to nerf one (or both) of these ships. Never trust a ship's performance at release; always wait and see what happens after the sale as CIG has a nasty tendency to nerf ships once the sale (and refund window) is over.
This seems to be their MO as soon as sale and refund, as well as the next new ship to awe people with. Scummy tactics but then, it's like buying a car. You get the 2024 with this and that, then the 2025 comes out with this and that better than the 2024. Third world problems I guess lol
@@xotx4291 I think the quote you were looking for is "First World problems" as Third World problems are more about getting enough food on the table. 😉 But yeah, pretty scummy tactics and CIG is constantly doing it over and over; often 2-3 months after the sale. So we'll have to wait and see if they will suddenly nerf the speed/agility of the QI variant even further. I'm betting they will likely do just that if it turns out that the QI can keep up with smaller ships too easily or something.
@@DanakarEndeel Thanks but I actually did mean Third World Problems in jest. As if to say "Third World Problems, eh? Not". Sorry for the confusion. I am just hoping they don't nerf the size 5s off my Connie I bought. I hear they might, I dunno. I would be sad. o7
@@xotx4291 Heh, no worries 😉 Yeah, it would kinda suck if they replace the S5s on the Connie with S4s or something (I own a Taurus); but it wouldn't surprise me if they do (especially after they buffed the turret guns from S2s to S3s). I mean, they nerfed the Redeemer into the ground just to sell the Starlancer TAC and that Anvil gunship. Personally I would also love to see more (especially non-combat) ships getting 1-2 automated PDCs because atm those non-combat ships can't even defend themselves properly and really need better defensive measures imo. Now I saw that CIG did give some of them an extra shield and such but in my opinion just handing out extra shields won't do anything as they need better defense turrets and/or armor so that 1 single guy in a fighter can't just blow up everything in sight. So hopefully one day those non-combat industrial and cargo ships will be able to defend themselves properly; but as of right now it seems like CIG is just randomly mucking around.
@@DanakarEndeel I agree, does seem like a lot of mucking around to me and I agree, non combat oriented cargo haulers and the like type ships should indeed have some better defensive measures. If this were real life, of course they would and this is in the far flung future, so you'd think it would be a no-brainer that these ships would have PDCs. When I am in charge, things are going to be a lot different lol :)
I haven't been able to fly either one but I'm leaning towards more menueverability. The QI is so cool though. But with 2 size 1 power plants, it's really starved for power.
Imho the weak point of this ship is its power plants. It’s workable though, with some compromises, but I rather go for the regular version because of it. Also the QD’s effective range is 4500m, not that good. So I’ve pledged the regular Guardian. Now to get into the game… global queue started at 1750-ish and now at 935 with an ETA of 26 minutes… Cheers Kornelius o7
@ This was before you create your character in 4.0 live. You can’t choose region there. After character creation, I chose Europe and I’m in a 250-300 queue again, lol. Must be bc I never played 4.0
Just wanted to add that most ships (Cutty Blue, Antares, etc.) have QD ranges in the 4-5Km range. Only the Mantis can reach 12.5Km, yet that has very poor weapons, though it does also have an interior.
Store your personal gear inside the ship's interior weapon and suit locker. The Exterior racks and storage should be reserved for bunker loot or extra items that one can afford to lose.
I got the Qi and now I am confused...I thought the Qi has missiles that keep people from quantum but is it the Qi with interdiction device or the standard?
You have to give the Device 3 Power to run it. Its a active Decice that jamm every Ship in 4500m range to jump away. 3 Power is a lot for this Ship so you have to run Balastic i think.
Both ships have the same weapons and missile racks. The default missile load out is different but you can swap between them in-game no worries. If you have the QI your ship can use Quantum Interdict. You pay for Quantum Interdict with a reduced maximum speed of 1125 -> 1100 and slightly reduced turn rate on your ship. I don't think anyone knows why you wouldn't get the QI version, it just seems better overall.
The QI only has 4x Twin S4 missile racks (Total of 8 S4 missiles) while the normal Guardian has 4x Quad S4 missile racks (Total of 16 S4 missiles). But as I tend not to like missile weapons as they are ammunition based, the Guardian Qi would be a better fit as a heavy fighter with extra functionality.
@@Blubbertube Oh I see. I thought there was a rack capacity limit or something. I guess when full physicalised and component mass + physical size come in, the larger rack with more missiles will have an even larger maneuverability penalty.
@@cire7208 yeh, like the Defender :') , but it would have been a cooler design imo. You can make the part breaks in smaller parts before been completly destroy and lose the canon. So I think it would be doable
if it had a pdc or 2 at the rear/top/bottom id be tempted XD but jokes aside ... i feel like its missing something ... or maybe its that it didnt live up to my expectations of a murai heavy fighter? for example... if they had forgone the interior, they could have shrunk the ships profile, freeing up some space for some extra components/armour , give the cockpit ablast shield and not make it a ball of glass. fair enough for a snub but a heavy? really ? its a beautiful ship but its nowhere near what i was hoping to add to my fleet in terms of practical usasge, maybe we will get something else down the line but for now the wallet is staying closed
This was actually a super informative video that answered a lot of questions for me. One huge concern for a lot of people was that center MFD blocking view, the page preview pics didn't really show it being transparent so that's a huge plus, also that extra storage on the wings is great to see for basic looting and all as well, very nice bonus. I'm quite pleased with the guardian but I'd expect the Qi especially to get some sort of change or nerf to distance itself from the base guardian because right now yeah they're far too close in performance where the Qi is just better overall no question.
It costs a bit more, it’s noticeably slower in maneuvering, as someone else stated .7 seconds slower. That’s huge in a 1v1. And it has fewer missiles, all for a 4.5km QD. It doesn’t t need to be nerfed to stand out from the guardian, a guardian can already “technically” out fly and fight the qi, even while it’s tackled.
Just because the britbongs are closer doesnt mean theyre who influence us as much. Yes, at school teachers might try to teach their terms, but games and internet are the best teacher for many kids since the 2000’s. Plus idk bout you but I’d rather say “eggplant” than “aubergine”
I would choose the max over this. I only upgraded my gladius because this fits in my polaris hanger and half the time I treat my polaris as a mobile base
honestly based on what ive seen on Eurkl, id rather fly a normal guardian and instead of a guardian OI, Id go with a Scorpius antaries considering the guardian QI only has two power plants for now and has issues when fielding attrtion-5's where as a Scorpius antaries with stock guns and upgraded parts can operate its OI and EMP to boot and still dish out the same missile damage and a bit under half of the gun dps of a normal guardian.
That's pretty wrong lmao, the Scorpius only has 4 s3s while the guardian has 2 s5, now on paper the guardian still has a bit more firepower but in reality it's even worse for the Scorpius since the biggest problem is the s3s are oddly positionned at the tip of each wing making it very hard to actually land most of your shots on relatively small targets (basically anything that's barely smaller than a cutty black is very annoying to hit accurately and even a cutty black will give you a hard time). As for wanting to get the Antares instead of the QI for interdiction well I would have to laugh at that, it's obvious you've never used the Antares if you actually think it is a viable alternative, go ahead and find someone who'll sit in a very tight space with little to no external view and whos only job is to press a single button lol. The Antares to me is the testimony of the devs' terrible way of thinking about multicrew, why would a group of 2 both go in an Antares instead of one getting in a Mantis and the other getting in an actually usable ship like a hornet ? This applies to all multicrew ships btw but especially to ones where the crew serves very little purpose. This is the single problem all of the playerbase is willingly glancing over and has been for a very very long time and yet it's actually massive
@@infinitespace239 yea but I don't use QI ships at all to be honest no point when your escorting cargo haulers plus I don't mind having a fellow citizen hop in and fly with me and an emp in the mix to is nice.
It has external storage for guns and other stuff in the front of the two lower engine parts. I really like the interior but I find the exterior kind of ugly. The exterior also does not feel like a human Star Citizen ship to me. It is too sci-fi looking.
@cire7208 Why? The DPS is the same but landing more shots and feeling way better. The only problem is energy, it should have an auxiliary size 1 generator at least The vanguard has 4 size 2 (and the big one), granted they are not common size 2, but still overall is the same concept: More weapons = more rate of fire = more presence = more fun and power, even if they are smaller
@byrey3 "DPS is the same" is too vague to address. Comparing it to the Scorpius (imo that's the closest comparison), for example, with a full attrition loadout on both ships, more dps just isn't true. Same situation with M laser cannons. S5 weapons, on average, have more range and alpha damage. Not to forget better armor piercing capabilities.
@@tim-jim760i got a 1scu box and a 2scu in there, you have to stand it upright on elevator and push it through. If need be you can re enter the front and continue tractoring the boxes from the other side
The cannons are top tier. People just don’t know how to use them. Put them on stagger fire for smaller ships and sync them for larger ships. That will give you the fire rate you need to hit a smaller target, and the punch you need to down larger ones.
hello, thx for that, i'm newbe, how I do that please ?
It's the first fighter I've been interested in since CIG first nerfed the Vanguard. The stock Guardian W/stock paint is my favorite.
It has everything a solo player needs in a fighter and more. I can always upgrade shields, power plants etc. and don't care if others run away ... So as to keep it simple, less things to wear out or break. What draws me to it the most, is the interior and S5 weapons W/out a turret, so no reliance on another player/NPC.
The only other thing I need in order to call this "perfect for solo" is at least 1 SCU that attaches to the grid. But even then, it has the exterior storage. So it's still so close to perfect that I still agree with you
@@supasneaks IMO you could do deliveries and stack some 1 SCU boxes on the bed or in the suit locker. If not just stick them on the elevator and go in the front. Where there's a will, there's a way ...
This thing reminds me of the glaive if the glaive was actually updated to Modern Graphics like it should have been 4 years ago
@@jedi_drifter2988 Yeah I do think you're right. But now imagine this.... They just update the elevator to also be a cargo grid. THEN they sacrifice that exterior storage in the wing and replace it with a tiny garage for the Pulse! Or give the suit locker the ability to hold one (snaps in). THEN it would truly be PERFECT! Oh man it would be so glorious
I love the ship but it is not ideal for a solo playstyle(Unless you are planing on offering protection/escort services). The 30% increased IR and EM in addition to taking 5% additonal energy damage and having the lowest physical ressist aside from litterally 0% makes it both fragile and lighting up like a christmass tree. Not generaly qualities you want if you are playing solo.
This ship is meant as an escort fighter so make sure that is what you actually want before you buy it.
I watched the part about the turning speed in slow motion. The normal version actually turns faster, you probably didn’t take the com delay into calculation as you started the rotation earlier. If you do the math and divide 360 by 37.5 and 35 you see it takes roughly 0.7 seconds longer for the QI. Not the end of the world but still noticeable when playing and doing a perfect test.
Btw I’m not criticizing, you did a really great video, I just wanted to add 1 small thing I noticed
Nice catch. Yeah exactly, I did notice a better turn rate, but not enough that it makes a difference to a skilled pilot. o7.
@@infinitespace239 It very much ONLY makes a difference to skilled pilots. When you're on a razor's edge, then 7-8% maneuverability matters.
To be fair those Erkul numbers I dont think shows the whole story either. Between the 2 variants its noticeable but take the Vanguard series for example. Should have pretty similar rates with Vanguard I think beating out in the pitch.
But in-game between the two the Guardian feels significantly more maneuverable. It's been stupid easy to black myself out just by turning too hard vs the Vanguard Warden. Which makes me wonder if Erkul doesn't take into account the position of thrusters which there are several of on the tips of the Guardian wings.
People keep saying Guardian is big, but it's actually twice smaller than Vanguard. It's 16x24, and Vanguard is 40x48.
Not to mention those wings guarding large portions of the main hull, making for a really decent HP for something of this size.
Well I wouldn't say it's "half" the size of the Vanguard. It is slightly taller than the Vanguard. When the Vanguard's wings are it is much less wide but definitely not twice it's width. The Vanguard does have a long tail and there's no getting around that. But the "core area" of the ship is roughly the same. But yes, the Guardian is definitely more compact and will actually fit in the Polaris and the 890 because of this.
In practise they are about the same size, the center mass of the Guardian is larger than the Vanguard, however the Vanguard has thin wings making the metrics larger.
@@matthewbrady5274 Those sticks with the main manuveringthrusters on them is not favorable for the Guardian. I don`t think it will be as voilent as when the fury loses one of its mains, but you are basically dead in the water if you lose one of those thrustersticks.
The vanguard is 40x38 not 48 ;-) Also note most of the size comes from the wings. The actual interior of the Vanguard is smaller than the Guardian.
I didn't know few things like few cargo capacity and front enter . Many thanks Sir.
I got a standard guardian, it's handling is a little bit better than QI guardian. but they are both really nice ships 👍🏻
I did the same but I got a CCU to qi just in case
4 size 4's would be the sweet spot .
Hell yes, pocket connie
I thought it had 4 pillars for 4 guns. Putting two guns in between is a little dumb.
I find it's actually better this way. When weapons are attached directly to the wings you'll lose those weapons when the wings get taken out.
I crashed landed (tried to activate QD and it took power from engines lol) and busted both of the left wings. Still had my weapon though. Acts as a secondary protection for them too.
@this right here. I have a Scorpius and at this point i lost count how many times i lost a weapons because a stray shot caught one of my wings. I prefer the guardians weapon in the position they are now
In terms of balancing...
4x S3 too weak
4x S4 too strong
Missiles do gotta go somewhere. Only change I would make visually is if they rotated after firing than just have 4 missiles just sit there
@@seeker_rodan3113 fair point. Im ok with how it looks now but your idea does sound dope
I’m a little surprised at how nicely they’ve done that ship.
Also i think either the qi will get a nerf or the regular will get another size 2 to make it competetive with vanguards, right now its "heres two identical ships for same price basiclly but one is just better" thats not gonna last, there has to be actual pros and cons to both
well to be fair the cons of the QI is that once the QED is active it has a pretty extensive nerf to its firepower/shield/maneuverability in the form of losing access to a lot of power, you also have to keep in mind that the base variant is also "a bit" cheaper, and I mean i'm not against the "every single ship has a purpose" but I do think that having a ship that's pretty much an improvement to the base model but more costly is perfectly fine, you might say "it's just 30$" but remember that you can buy an entire game for that price, hell excellent AA games exist for less, and we don't know the price in universe...
But if anything what they should've done is made the QI variant more agile and most importantly faster than the base variant and balanced it out by giving the base variant significantly more hull hp, not only would it still kinda act as an upgrade but it would also make sense seeing as a QED ship should logically act as interceptor that needs to avoid prolonged direct engagements by using its superior maneuverability to avoid receiving fire and would need to be supported by more suited crafts to actually kill something that can reasonably fight meanwhile the base variant would have more armor to protect its components instead of a QED.
@Stormyy6310 you loose no firepower to the 3 QD pips over base model once you slide an upgraded power plant in
@@BlueSpectre uh yes you actually do lose 3 power even with upgraded power plants, unless Erkul is wrong even with A grade competition power plants (which frankly you won't use and instead will just use a A grade military) you're making sacrifices to your combat ability, now you can still have maximum power pips on weapons (4) but that means you're willing to make sacrifices elsewhere namely on the shields/boost which is what I'm talking about when I say the nerf comes the moment you activate the QED
The cons of the QI are the reduced speed and lower maneuverability as well as requiring 3 pips when using the dampener. Those pips can then not be used for weapon, shield, or thruster recharge while trying to keep an enemy ship within 4500m of yours.
Now you can say "but once I upgrade my components" but that's a fallacy because you can do the same with the regular Guardian. 😉
So the QI can get into some power management issues while the regular version (after swapping out some components for an ideal Competition/Civilian combo can have your thrusters at 6 pips while everything else is at max. The QI with the same ideal setup would lose 3 pips worth of recharge when you wish to use the dampener. So that combined with the reduced speed&agility seems to be a decent con for having that dampener.
That said, I really prefer the default paintjob of the QI over the regular version (but then I like black ships).
@@DanakarEndeel speed and maneuverabilty is down to margin of error, its almost undetectable frame by frame (lots of youtubers have done just that) and until you activate the qd its litterally a base model clone, just better, cause you have a qd at your disposable to use when needed. everyone is talking like there gonna fly around with the qd on at all time and somehow be power starved 24/7. most fighters being piloted by anyone that actually pvps kill the guardian with ease so in anycase your probably gonna be interdicting with a partner at minimum if not an org suadron (insert a freakishly random comment on paint scheme preference here)
I currently have access to both, I don't feel the difference as much as others have claimed they do. I think this ship's going to end up a better F8 than the F8C because it is very agile in a strafe. The M7As aren't the best match for a fighter, but it works and I'm making quick work of NPC bounties on the early side of the rep grind. I'm trying to decide whether I'll prioritize weapons or components for the first upgrade. I'm personally leaning towards weapons, but the power plants and shield definitely need an upgrade to reduce the power management issues.
Idk. I got the standard only because i like the paint more, and i don't PVP. However, will there be missions somsday that will benefit in having the QI version? Like for instance if bounty missions start to jump away when chasing them or something.
Just grabbed a QI hell yeah man its beautiful!
Still tempted, so far I dont really see a downside to the QI
Has one big disadvantage vs the Vanguards. Having a rear ramp on the Vanguard means you can easily get a Miirai Pulse in it. I got a Guardian yesterday and it looks awesome, but it feels like a big hit to not have the capability to carry a hoverbike for ground missions as the rear lift is not big enough I think. I may end up switching back to a Vanguard in the future.
Mirai Pulse fits with tractor beam also 1 & 2 scu boxes
@panakajack1525 sounds like a bit of a faff to do vs just driving up a ramp, but good to know it is kind of possible.
attritions sound good at first glance but for heavy fighters that struggle with turns will hurt themself choosing attriotions since the muzzle velocity is atrocious and you nead t lead nerly twice the amount giving your opponent enough time to change vector.
The best dps wepons won't have the highest effective dps if it can't land the shots on target.
True, attritions is a bette choise for only the large ship
@Ez0X_9S Not necessarily, for example a Hammerhead with attritions will struggle against medium and light fighters that dance around the shots. For me attritions only have a place if your target is big and slow and even then it's questionable if you use sub targeting.
A good middle ground would be keeping the cannons but setting them to fire alternately instead of simultaneously
@@Phoenixstorm36 Yeah, I'd definitely go more for the Galdereens or S5 gatling. The fire rate and projectile speeds are higher, so you'll hit more shots while dealing massive damage, plus you won't have to lead your target as much so less need for rotating. This would be a more balanced approach, but the Guardian does seem more like it's useful in a group to deal damage to larger prey. I don't think its optimal for head to head dog fighting with its maneuverability stats so it'll have to rely on some wing men. It seems more about dealing damage to larger targets and preventing nav mode/QTing while playing a bit of a tanky roll.
I don’t know if I would say four size 4 is too much because yeah it’s good fire power but it also isn’t the fastest ship out there so you could still be outmaneuvered and lose fight
It is the long lost cousin to the prospector. It is the combat prospector.
I CCU'd my San Tok Yai to the Guardian QI. This is a welcome addition to my fleet since I held off from getting a Vanguard. Most definitely enjoy its interior for multi-role use, not just a heavy fighter. I'm considering that my Guardian QI may replace my Banu Defender to launch from my BMM... Thanks for this review @Infinite Space! 💯⚡😎
Very nice! Glad to serve. o7
You know they are gonna relegate that second gun to the copilot in a few months right?
No copilot, this is single seater.
I was joking. They can’t help butcher ships after selling them.
Question - They seem exceedingly similar besides the loadout of missiles, one is more agile/faster without the Quantum kit... but how are they both at travel range? Is one a heavy, long-range fighter and the other an interdictor, or are they both equivalent in terms of their travel range?
I think they are the same. 1 mill quantum fuel
@@infinitespace239 then i think i'll sit on the base. with the CCU ready to go... they are like;y gonna nerf one or buff the other to differentiate them. the QD is a nice little addition but not the draw for me. thanks for the info.
At present time I just got a CCU to both versions and am going to wait for several months to see how/if CIG is going to nerf one (or both) of these ships. Never trust a ship's performance at release; always wait and see what happens after the sale as CIG has a nasty tendency to nerf ships once the sale (and refund window) is over.
This seems to be their MO as soon as sale and refund, as well as the next new ship to awe people with. Scummy tactics but then, it's like buying a car. You get the 2024 with this and that, then the 2025 comes out with this and that better than the 2024. Third world problems I guess lol
@@xotx4291 I think the quote you were looking for is "First World problems" as Third World problems are more about getting enough food on the table. 😉
But yeah, pretty scummy tactics and CIG is constantly doing it over and over; often 2-3 months after the sale. So we'll have to wait and see if they will suddenly nerf the speed/agility of the QI variant even further. I'm betting they will likely do just that if it turns out that the QI can keep up with smaller ships too easily or something.
@@DanakarEndeel Thanks but I actually did mean Third World Problems in jest. As if to say "Third World Problems, eh? Not". Sorry for the confusion. I am just hoping they don't nerf the size 5s off my Connie I bought. I hear they might, I dunno. I would be sad. o7
@@xotx4291 Heh, no worries 😉
Yeah, it would kinda suck if they replace the S5s on the Connie with S4s or something (I own a Taurus); but it wouldn't surprise me if they do (especially after they buffed the turret guns from S2s to S3s). I mean, they nerfed the Redeemer into the ground just to sell the Starlancer TAC and that Anvil gunship.
Personally I would also love to see more (especially non-combat) ships getting 1-2 automated PDCs because atm those non-combat ships can't even defend themselves properly and really need better defensive measures imo. Now I saw that CIG did give some of them an extra shield and such but in my opinion just handing out extra shields won't do anything as they need better defense turrets and/or armor so that 1 single guy in a fighter can't just blow up everything in sight. So hopefully one day those non-combat industrial and cargo ships will be able to defend themselves properly; but as of right now it seems like CIG is just randomly mucking around.
@@DanakarEndeel I agree, does seem like a lot of mucking around to me and I agree, non combat oriented cargo haulers and the like type ships should indeed have some better defensive measures. If this were real life, of course they would and this is in the far flung future, so you'd think it would be a no-brainer that these ships would have PDCs. When I am in charge, things are going to be a lot different lol :)
9:00 thats me a few hours after eating hot chilly.
😅 lol
I haven't been able to fly either one but I'm leaning towards more menueverability. The QI is so cool though. But with 2 size 1 power plants, it's really starved for power.
Imho the weak point of this ship is its power plants. It’s workable though, with some compromises, but I rather go for the regular version because of it. Also the QD’s effective range is 4500m, not that good. So I’ve pledged the regular Guardian. Now to get into the game… global queue started at 1750-ish and now at 935 with an ETA of 26 minutes… Cheers Kornelius o7
o7 try EU servers I was 2 in queue.
@ This was before you create your character in 4.0 live. You can’t choose region there. After character creation, I chose Europe and I’m in a 250-300 queue again, lol. Must be bc I never played 4.0
Just wanted to add that most ships (Cutty Blue, Antares, etc.) have QD ranges in the 4-5Km range. Only the Mantis can reach 12.5Km, yet that has very poor weapons, though it does also have an interior.
You love absolutly every ship.^^ Its the same on every single ship i ever saw you flying. It is beautiful, stunning, amazing,... xD
Because I love it. If I don't love it I'll say lol 😂
Isn’t your fault cig makes so many beautiful ships! Thanks for the coverage, tho already splurged in my QI. Lol
Like the function of the santokyai but want to penetrate armor more reliably? Have a Guardian.
Should be great in an Odyssey. 👌🏻
That's what I plan to do with my Guardian. It's going in my Odyssey
I bought the combo pack not realizing you could swap out the missile racks on the QI.
Probably gonna melt and buy only the QI.
You don't have to melt the base version. The Qi is $10 more than the base model.
With no turret gunner in the Scorpius who wins between the QI and the scorpius in the interdiction vatants?
Of course, a better pilot 😁
@@infinitespace239 Touche, I was going for same skill lol. well when blades become an option the scorpius would almost certainly out gun the guardian.
I got a wb upgrade to the QT version for my defender. I think it will actually fit into my BMM someday :)
Its wings come off when attacked? Does that mean all your storage goes bye bye when the wings are shot off?
Yes, sadly
Store your personal gear inside the ship's interior weapon and suit locker. The Exterior racks and storage should be reserved for bunker loot or extra items that one can afford to lose.
I got the Qi and now I am confused...I thought the Qi has missiles that keep people from quantum but is it the Qi with interdiction device or the standard?
Qi has a device that prevents enemy ship to jump away, it has to be powered to work
You have to give the Device 3 Power to run it. Its a active Decice that jamm every Ship in 4500m range to jump away.
3 Power is a lot for this Ship so you have to run Balastic i think.
Both ships have the same weapons and missile racks. The default missile load out is different but you can swap between them in-game no worries. If you have the QI your ship can use Quantum Interdict. You pay for Quantum Interdict with a reduced maximum speed of 1125 -> 1100 and slightly reduced turn rate on your ship. I don't think anyone knows why you wouldn't get the QI version, it just seems better overall.
@@FrankabluThey do not have the same missile racks... Guardian has 16 s2 missiles. Qi has 8 s3 missiles.
@@Jaxxie_B That's the same missile rack, you can swap 2 s2 missiles for 1 s3 missile and vice versa.
I call it the tie interceptor
When are S3 size weapons planned for release ? 😂
Lol 😂
Can you do an ERT bounty?? With the guardian
You should be able with a little skill.
Is the wing storage seaparte from the storage beneath the bed or is it shared
its separate.
The QI variant is also slightly less manuvarble compared to the base guardian.
it seems the QI really is a straight upgrade based how insignificant the difference between it and the BASE is on mobility
The QI only has 4x Twin S4 missile racks (Total of 8 S4 missiles) while the normal Guardian has 4x Quad S4 missile racks (Total of 16 S4 missiles).
But as I tend not to like missile weapons as they are ammunition based, the Guardian Qi would be a better fit as a heavy fighter with extra functionality.
@@Adjudicator1 The actual missile hardpoints are the same size, it's just equipped with a different rack.
@@Adjudicator1 The QI missile rack can be swapped out to the same one that's on the normal guardian, so the missiles are effectively identical.
@@Blubbertube Oh I see. I thought there was a rack capacity limit or something. I guess when full physicalised and component mass + physical size come in, the larger rack with more missiles will have an even larger maneuverability penalty.
@@Adjudicator1 there are rack size limits, but both models of the guardian have the same size limit.
does the QI have living quaters too? or is that removed for the Quantum jammer
Yes,. completely the same as normal.
The wings should have been 4 custom weapons unique to the Guardian
so they can be shot off and cost a fortune to repair? no thanks
@@cire7208 yeh, like the Defender :') , but it would have been a cooler design imo. You can make the part breaks in smaller parts before been completly destroy and lose the canon. So I think it would be doable
@@kantt07 i will agree that custom weapons (that can also be changed out) would be nice.
if it had a pdc or 2 at the rear/top/bottom id be tempted XD but jokes aside ... i feel like its missing something ... or maybe its that it didnt live up to my expectations of a murai heavy fighter? for example... if they had forgone the interior, they could have shrunk the ships profile, freeing up some space for some extra components/armour , give the cockpit ablast shield and not make it a ball of glass. fair enough for a snub but a heavy? really ? its a beautiful ship but its nowhere near what i was hoping to add to my fleet in terms of practical usasge, maybe we will get something else down the line but for now the wallet is staying closed
Think in the future there would ever be a way to add a prisoner cell to the ship? Would be perfect bounty hunter if you coudl take prisoners on it :P
Ya like stuff the body in one of those empty component boxes in the wall.
You still use starlancer max as your main base of ops?
Polaris, but I use Starlancer too.
Wish i had this, its perfect for my little brain
200 bucks is crazy tho
I need a video with different weapon loadouts on this!
In a few days I have to earn money first lol 😂
This is my #1 dog fighting ship for 2025. Imo it’s the best heavy fighter design to date.
It just came out. Putting a lot of into something that hasn’t been fully tested
Is the game actually playable now or are they still just selling stupidly priced ships?
4.0 and yes i have enjoyed it much. Try flying to Pyro. You will be amazed. o7
is it just me, that how the creator speaks sounds similar to Londo Mollari from B5 ? at least the first 5 seconds of this video.
Sounds like Davie504 who play Star citizen
This was actually a super informative video that answered a lot of questions for me. One huge concern for a lot of people was that center MFD blocking view, the page preview pics didn't really show it being transparent so that's a huge plus, also that extra storage on the wings is great to see for basic looting and all as well, very nice bonus. I'm quite pleased with the guardian but I'd expect the Qi especially to get some sort of change or nerf to distance itself from the base guardian because right now yeah they're far too close in performance where the Qi is just better overall no question.
It costs a bit more, it’s noticeably slower in maneuvering, as someone else stated .7 seconds slower. That’s huge in a 1v1.
And it has fewer missiles, all for a 4.5km QD.
It doesn’t t need to be nerfed to stand out from the guardian, a guardian can already “technically” out fly and fight the qi, even while it’s tackled.
Why do mainland Europeans use American words/terminology, instead of British? (Zee/Zed - Math/Maths)
Because we don't learn English, we learned from TV and PC, and which version is used more on PC and TV. It feels more natural. o7
Just because the britbongs are closer doesnt mean theyre who influence us as much. Yes, at school teachers might try to teach their terms, but games and internet are the best teacher for many kids since the 2000’s.
Plus idk bout you but I’d rather say “eggplant” than “aubergine”
i picked up the QI version myself since i had other fighters for the other things and since its a QT Dampening fighter i decided on that one.
The best Mirai Guardian is still the Constellation Taurus.
should i upgrade my star lancer max to the guardian QI its a $10? looking for opinions.
@@PandaGaming-pc2xv Imho the SL Max is a lot more useful ship. But it depends on what you like. Heavy fighters aren’t in the best spot anyway
@@skullhqx update i upgraded my hornet mk.2 ghost to it for $62 i did that bc i already have the f7a
@@PandaGaming-pc2xv Congrats! And remember, you can always melt
@@skullhqx yeah the 62 bucks was store cred
I would choose the max over this. I only upgraded my gladius because this fits in my polaris hanger and half the time I treat my polaris as a mobile base
The only thing that irks me about it is the bubble cockpit.😢
Yes it needs a blast cockpit in order to be real heavy. I would give that to the normal version.
The wings are very weak. Still a beautiful ship and very fun to fly.
Love my QI
honestly based on what ive seen on Eurkl, id rather fly a normal guardian and instead of a guardian OI, Id go with a Scorpius antaries considering the guardian QI only has two power plants for now and has issues when fielding attrtion-5's where as a Scorpius antaries with stock guns and upgraded parts can operate its OI and EMP to boot and still dish out the same missile damage and a bit under half of the gun dps of a normal guardian.
Yeah but you need one person to click the button lol 😂
That's pretty wrong lmao, the Scorpius only has 4 s3s while the guardian has 2 s5, now on paper the guardian still has a bit more firepower but in reality it's even worse for the Scorpius since the biggest problem is the s3s are oddly positionned at the tip of each wing making it very hard to actually land most of your shots on relatively small targets (basically anything that's barely smaller than a cutty black is very annoying to hit accurately and even a cutty black will give you a hard time).
As for wanting to get the Antares instead of the QI for interdiction well I would have to laugh at that, it's obvious you've never used the Antares if you actually think it is a viable alternative, go ahead and find someone who'll sit in a very tight space with little to no external view and whos only job is to press a single button lol.
The Antares to me is the testimony of the devs' terrible way of thinking about multicrew, why would a group of 2 both go in an Antares instead of one getting in a Mantis and the other getting in an actually usable ship like a hornet ? This applies to all multicrew ships btw but especially to ones where the crew serves very little purpose.
This is the single problem all of the playerbase is willingly glancing over and has been for a very very long time and yet it's actually massive
The point of the Qi is that you can operate everything solo. Scorpion requires a 2nd person.
@@infinitespace239 yea but I don't use QI ships at all to be honest no point when your escorting cargo haulers plus I don't mind having a fellow citizen hop in and fly with me and an emp in the mix to is nice.
@Stormyy6310 lmao dude had to post a paragraph to a citizens opinion.
It has external storage for guns and other stuff in the front of the two lower engine parts.
I really like the interior but I find the exterior kind of ugly. The exterior also does not feel like a human Star Citizen ship to me. It is too sci-fi looking.
Because it is not human. It is an alien ship made for humans. In SC lore. o7
@@infinitespace239 It is just as much a human ship as any of MISC's (Mirai) other ships.
great that it fits in 890, but in 4.0 my 890 is gone
All ships are deleted. Hard reset.
We need good shit mid size salvage ship with good wepons and Engine
4 size 3 repeaters instead, and she would be perfect
on a solo heavy fighter? r u crazy?
@cire7208 Why? The DPS is the same but landing more shots and feeling way better. The only problem is energy, it should have an auxiliary size 1 generator at least
The vanguard has 4 size 2 (and the big one), granted they are not common size 2, but still overall is the same concept: More weapons = more rate of fire = more presence = more fun and power, even if they are smaller
@byrey3 "DPS is the same" is too vague to address. Comparing it to the Scorpius (imo that's the closest comparison), for example, with a full attrition loadout on both ships, more dps just isn't true. Same situation with M laser cannons. S5 weapons, on average, have more range and alpha damage. Not to forget better armor piercing capabilities.
that thing will be always overheating
That's no german accent! I know that accent! Brate moj!
Hehe veliki pozdrav 🫡🥰
Standard because I know CIG is going to nerf the QI the hardest ... LOL
So, what did they nerf in order to sell this?
Only problem with the 4.0 is jist getting in the game hahaha 😂
Ill stick with my harbinger... guardian only has 1 shield, no storage, no room for a pulse.. cig 4.0 reason to push the crappy build
It has 2 storages. Amazing ship.
@infinitespace239 not a major benefit... try doing bunkers without a ground vehicle..
foxyloxy tested and you can tractor beam a pulse and at least 1 scu box inside
@tim-jim760 not practical with how long it take vs just driving into a vanguard. Same with boxes.. vanguard all the way
@@tim-jim760i got a 1scu box and a 2scu in there, you have to stand it upright on elevator and push it through. If need be you can re enter the front and continue tractoring the boxes from the other side
They will soon nerf it and it will be a useless sitting duck
Enjoy it while it lasts, you can always melt. Don't get attached. o7
Rip my wallet. 378 canadian dollars for this ship. Why cig.
YA over 100gigs download
Taurus still better
My 325a fights better.
I have tried them both and they are a no go at thos station. 😄
how in the world is this $250? the ship prices in this game make 0 sense
Yeah, after some time playing this game even 1200 for Idris looks ok. Give it a little bit more time lol 😂 o7
first
I’ll keep my Saber. No thanks CIG.
game is unplayable still full of bugs and errors, this ain´t a game, this is a joke.
Play 3.24.3 they said it will be rough. I just played on a patched server It's not that bad.
Can you stop saying "it's Amazing" . It's kinda cringe at this point
I just express my feelings. Can't hide my excitement. o7
Don't buy either ship. The game is in a trash state right now, and unplayable.
The game was never better. Yes, still bugs but amazing. o7
Behave, find something you enjoy and go to those forums 😂
The games running perfectly for me must be your pc
The alpha seems to be running fantastic for me.
was playing for hours last night and it was more playable than 3.24.3