You had me at "dirt nap." I get no shortage of laughs as well as nasty stares when I use that phrase, both of which encourage me to use it even more. I must say that I would have enjoyed your rant about airport security, especially if you've had your few cups of coffee beforehand. For those of you who also enjoy the rants, you must go watch Mr. Pete's Etch-a-sketch video, one of his very best.
i honestly wish i had you as my teacher in trade school. you explain things so much better than what i had. i might have learned things much better than i did. it was.... well what it was.
I'm blown away! I just watched this vid and discovered I have one of these attachments in my "measuring" drawer and never knew what it was for. Thanks shop teacher Mr. Pete!
Years ago I discovered one of these attachments (Starrett No 392) in a lot of tools I bought some time back. I also didn't know what it was for. I looked it up in Starrett catalog. I have used it ever since. One of my fishtails 'lives' in the attachment. I like the set screw idea since, as I said above, they are so useful it is worth it to just keep a fishtail gage in it all the time. As mrpete222 says it would be difficult to make the spring. It would also be difficult to heat treat (case harden or harden) the attachment without it turning banana shaped. With some steels it can turn banana shaped just crom cutting one side off lengthwise. I would be interested to see what the measurement was in the middle and if it was the same as measurement for both ends.
This man deserves far more subscribers.Busy taking a dirt nap .ha ha ha. There are not enough old geezers telling their knowledge on you Tube .Its just gold ,pure gold.,being lost forever in the days of plastic and we must have it immediately.
Teacher ,I have been 55yrs in machine shop and I never seen that type of holder ,but it is wonderful process to make it . I did gear and turret lathe operation but never use that thing . my six inch scale was the best friend in my life of business . Thank you .
If anyone is wanting to make the 'spring loaded' version of this, and doesn't have a hoard of flat springs like Mr. Pete, you can use the 'spines' out of a windscreen wiper blade. I always rip these out and keep them when I have to replace with new ones, as they are a great source of flat spring steel for projects.
Thanks for the reply. A small end mill could solve the pockets for the tabs at the ends, but the hard part would sizing the spring length just right and bending the tabs over without snapping them off (been there, done that).
I love these easy projects and the depth and "over" explanation. ( I don't consider it over explanation, but others may). I've just acquired a used Bridgeport and have it running. These kinds of projects are a necessity for me! Thank you Mr. Pete!
Even in lackey work in factories people used to get unhappy when I asked that they fully explain the orders they had for me. Never want confusion and when one person tells another some thing confusion often follows.
Agreed Mr. Pete. I used too fly alot but I got tired of being unnecessarily scrutinized prior to boarding. I now drive as much as possible and fly only when absolutely necessary.
I just be dang. I had this about 20 years ago in a box of stuff I bought. Didn't know what it was and through it away.....dang it ! Thanks for the info and the video Mr Pete.
Just wanted to give a long overdue thank you to you, I inherited some machine shop equipment and tools from a relative of my wife who passed away he was over a hundred years old when he passed and that was about 20 years ago so you can imagine a lot of the tools are older and there's quite a few I have no idea what they do. I took shop in high school I've always been handy with my hands I thought I knew quite a bit about tools but there's quite a few tools and accessories he had in his collection that I have no idea about and thanks to you I'm learning what they are this was one of them I knew what the gauge was but not with the attachment was for. Keep up the good work and I don't mind you repeating yourself and again thank you for all you do
@ 12:15 you explain how you go into detail for those who want great detail and suggest skipping ahead for others if it bothers them... there is a "You tube specific" shortcut key for skipping ahead (or back) 5 seconds per shot.. The right and left arrow keys... punch that baby a few times and you can skip right through the parts you don't want to see.... But I have to say, I almost always only use this for skipping back to repeat dialog I might not have understood the first time. Thank you mrpete222 for all the great content.
It always amuses me when you say that "no one is going to make this" as I have followed your instructions and made several(center drill holder, counter-weighted drill press table, oil can, vise...) but I'm probably not going to make this one. Still, learning the operations is worth the video and it's always a pleasure to hear your stories.
Wonderful, I was cutting a metric m20 thread on a recent video and asked the question how do folks hold the fishtail gauge in place while adjusting the cutting tool. Now I know and can add another tool to make to my project list. Thanks very much for your video . I would add I use self ground hss bits as here in the UK we have far too many thread types to get a full set of insert tips when starting out. BSW, BSWF, UNC,UNF, METRIC, METRIC FINE, BA and that's excluding pipe fittings ..... It keeps us vintage machine guys on our toes. All the best Mat
Nice work Lyle; I was surprised at your comment that you did not have any bottoming taps, especially when you said that you have broken a lot. I'm a pack rat (never throw anything away) and when I break a tap I grind the broken end for a quick and dirty bottom tap. Hopefully the original tap breaks close to the tip for the most length. Or I take an old tap that I've acquired and grind the tip off for an impromptu bottoming tap. Thanks for the great video, thumbs up.
Well, I just finished machining my center gauge attachment. I copied the one you made and it works very well. I ordered a slitting saw the right thickness and when it cam in I got started. Thanks.
I keep my eyes open when in town looking for street sweeper metal brush blades that have broken off. They make great little springs for this type of project. I often find in mall parking areas, etc
Good day Mr. Pete, I hope you are doing well. I want to thank you for this instructional video on making a center gauge. I've been wanting one and now I think I can machine one with a bit of confidence. By the way, I can never get to much detail, I like any and every tidbit there is. Thanks.
I just received a thread pitch gauge and that thing came with it but I did not have a idea what it was for completely, well now I do. Thanks for the tip, not that I ever cut a thread and ever will.
When starting holes on a round part or on off-angle surfaces, I find using a ball mill as the first tool to locate the hole eliminates the need to mill a flat spot first. It also makes a dandy center to start the following drill.
The information was extremely useful and very informative. I'm starting to feel my age and forgetting stuff so that's why I've created a little log of little tips and tricks for my lathe, milling machine and other tools that I have to pass along to my son Thanks for the information cuz you never get too old to learn. Lol
Neat project. I never knew these attachments existed. Thanks for making the video. Since I have more money than time, I bought a Starrett attachment and center gage on eBay. But I may attempt to make an attachment someday. Might be something worth making and trying to sell on eBay and Amazon.
I visited the US 15 years ago. I flew into Philadelphia. At the passport desk a security man was ordering people about in the lines as if they were criminals. It was not a pleasant start to my visit. Incidentally the visit turned out to be wonderful and the people very welcoming. We have been back twice since then and loved it.Talking to other people in the UK who had similar experiences it seems to be more of a problem with US airports than other countries. A pity because most Yanks are great people.
US immigration haven't always been nasty. On my first visit I was first to the desk. He took my passport and keyed in my details and frowned..tried again then smiled... Anything wrong? I asked. Well it's like this he's said. Your name rings bells on our system. There's warrants out for drug dealing and homicide...at this point I'm expecting to be marched off and searched in places I keep for the wife...but he looked over his glasses and said, it's ok it's not you. How can you be so sure? I asked. Well you ain't 6 feet 5 and you certainly ain't black...never been so relieved to be white and 5'8" I my life.
Australian airports are bad 99% of the security staff are muslims ,we are treated like criminals . I get special attention due to having a digital pacemaker in my left shoulder , despite having a special ID card stating that fact ,I get dragged aside every time for a body search ,I cannot pass through the magnetic barriers as there is a chance that the pacemaker will be turned off causing me to collapse on the spot . I no longer fly anywhere ,if I cant drive I dont go .
It is a great tool to have if you grind your own tools. I have a slitting saw arbor just like yours and it wobbles like a drunk amazed to see yours so straight. Thanks for the video.
Thank You for a very interesting video. I have never seen one of those tools before, so I was all ears as you explained how it was used and how to make one.
I know the feeling of breaking a tap. In fact I was reminded today while working on tooling I'm modifying for my lathe I broke a tap while tapping a hole for the adjusting stud. Thankfully I can work around it, because like your project it was the last operation.
Mr. Pete ,My family has a fastener company in Rockford Illinois. I am a third generation owner a company that does machining operations on headed fasteners. If you are ever in need of a field trip that's not to far down the road from you I would be happy to show you our plant and our machines that were running parts in the 40's and 50's still going strong today. If any of this might interest you or your viewers get in touch with me.
Yes, I am very interested in a field trip. Would I be able to film it and make a video? I cannot give you my email address in a comment. Can you please find my video entitled winter night school video courses by Tubalcain. In this video you will find my email address and for that matter my home address. Then we can discuss this matter further. Thank you very much
Tiny broken tap challenge, may be a good humorous thing to do. Get some small taps and break them in a work piece and send them to various You Tube machinist. HA HA. Good instruction, who'll expect anything less than excellent from Mr. Pete 222?
Always a pleasure to watch your videos sir!!! And it would have been more pleasurable if the rant was still available. We all need to learn your opinion so we can become just like you!!!
A couple of comments 1. Some airline security staff are most likely the guys who used to slice deli meats for you at the supermarket -- being unkind is their form of payback, and 2. I bet I can make one of the center gauge attachments with only $5k worth of tooling.. Great videos!
I still use the buggy whip hand ground tool bit. To get the correct nose profile you have to have a selection of inserts and I HATE buying that stuff if I don't have to. I like the flexibility of making my own, there are always situations where you have to have some odd angle to clear other surfaces and with insert holders you are stuck.
Good video, you mentioned your Mitutoyo center gage was made in the USA. They make other things here as I bought an edge finder the other day marked made in USA.
I'm not aware of a Mitutoyo plant here so that is probably the case. It sounds like you are still changing belts on your mill. After putting the VFD on your drill press, you said you might do the mill, have you changed your mind about that? You inspired me and I did it to a lathe and so far I have been happy with it.
I have one of the Starret flavor of these that I bought over 40+? years ago and still use, (but only when I use a hand ground cutter) My son who is also a machinist saw it the other day and asked me what it was for. When I explained what it was for he said the he really couldn't see a reason to use it as they only use inserts for threading. (must be nice to have the $ to buy inserts).
Thank you. This will come in handy instead of buying one. I have an apprentice that has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering that can learn from this. Also a good item to make for our personal tool boxes. If it was already mentioned ( 423 Comments ) please excuse me. Mr Pete buy a Spring Loaded Tap Guide. They are priced well and get years of use.
Good video. I'm a bit older now and the old eyes aren't working like they used to. Think I'll make one of these gauge attachments........... Thank you Mr. Pete
I still use the fish gauge to set my threading tool, but I'm nearly 77. I have the cutters for the threading tool you shown, that would last a hundred lifetimes., but as you said most people use the carbide threading cutters now. Those cutters are dipped in the plastisized wax sealant. So they will eventualy wind up in some land fill somewhere. I recovered them from an old industreal machine shop that was closed down. There must have been a hundred slitting saws just goin to rust that had never been taken out of the wraper, untill I opened them up. What a waste.
If I ever get my mill into the garage I'll make one of these. (It's too tall to bring in through the garage door or side door and the head doesn't tilt. Over 15" too tall.) One thing I would've done differently was I would put a second piece of stock on the other end of the vise to keep the jaws parallel to the small surface being used to hold it for cutting the slot. Many old vises have too much movement at the end of the vise screw and it not being parallel could cause the small piece to be pushed out and the slot cut at an angle to the v-groove.
In the stages the only thing different I would do is in clamping the job in the vice, always have a piece the same length in the vice at the other end of the jaws so it clamps perfectly square.
So, Mitutoyo, a Japanese company started in 1934, opened a US branch about an hour down the road from mrpete222 in Aurora, IL, in 1963, making a full line of precision measuring tools. It's not clear if they continue to manufacture products there. They are listed as having 200-500 employees at that site. Nowadays, in addition to sales and service, they offer a series of seminars on measurement and calibration of precision tools through their Mitutoyo Institute of Metrology.
Thanks for that bit of information. My son lives up that way. There is a big Catapillar plant in that town that is scheduled to close. A huge facility.
Enjoyed the video of making of a paper weight . Will there be another video of making a holder for it to contact a bigger surface of the paper being held down?
Mr. Pete, Thanks so much for your great info. I am looking to to build a welding table. Do you have any ideas on how to attach the top without welding it to avoid distortion. One option I am looking at is to use screws or bolts but still looking for a flat top. Is it possible to cut an internal thread inside a bolt? Please excuse me for not using the proper terminology. Any chance you could do a video on this. Regards
I remember reading years ago that the Japanese actually renamed a maaanufacturing town USA so they could stamp products that way. This was back in the day when Japanese products were considered junk. They took on the W. Edwards Deming philosophy to totally revolutionize their manufacturing processes and tremendously increase their quality. I worked at a food grade chemical plant where I included part of the story into a manual as part of the Deming philosophy that the plant used.
Yes you do have your right for your opinion and I agree with you although we do need to have security at the airport none of us like having to stand in the lines that's why I choose not to fly unless it is absolutely necessary
How about a Monday morning quarterback? Use 7/16 hex brass (vintage attribute) or stainless (blast for satin chrome appearance) but I also like flame hardening and the smell of burning oil. Drill and tap for (3) 4-48 threads to use (2) ball plungers and a knurled head thumbscrew (or use 3 ball plungers). All avaiable from McMaster-Carr. The plungers are 3/16" long with 0.02" ball protrusion. Using an angle vice holding by the other flats the 90 degree vee may be milled using a normal cutter corner if 15 degree offset. The slot may be milled with the slitting saw matching the top sidewall to the vee groove centerline using the proper angle offset. Have a pantograph, stamps or lazer artistically proudly mark your name on the top facet, in a smaller font mark the date on a lower facet.
It's been a while since I've cut a thead on a lathe, my bosses were kinda cheap so it was always hss. And Lh threads we ran the lathe in reverse with the bit upside down
i never saw a center gage attachment before this video. thank you fore the video it was interesting, and i will not be making one either as i have gotten along with out 1 for my 66yrs..
Ideally wouldnt you want a piece of material the same length as the tool your making in the other end of the vice (while cutting the groove)so the vice clamps squarely onto the work piece (so the work piece doesn’t unexpectedly shoot out of the vice
When you were drilling the holes for the 4-40 screws, why did you not drill both of the holes before tapping. Or did I see this incorrectly and that is what you actually did? As always, super done video! Many Kudo's for our "Great Master": Mr Pete! Oh how I wish I could have been one of your students in high school. The untold hours of doing it over would have not been necessary as it is now. Course, you would probably have thrown me out of the class; with my "non-stop" questions. LOL
When touching off for setup of cutting the slot, you use paper to to gauge. Wouldn't it be necessary to raise the knee an added one half distance of the thickness of the paper ? And wouldn't it be more accurate to use a filler gauge with a known thickness ?
Stanley Denning theoretically yes, but the fact that the slot is wider than the thickest gage he has would make the .0015" accuracy mute. By the way, it's called a feeler gage, not filler gage.
To bring the tool to the edge of the part, you would add the entire thickness of the paper, not half of it. Also, you never use feeler gauges on sharp cutting tools or you can mar the surface of the gauge and ruin it.
I use feeler gauges all the time for it and consider the feeler gauge a disposable item. But that's also because i have a 25ft roll of .002 feeler gauge material.
Use to adjust the reel mowers at a golf course, it gets beaten up pretty badly so i just get a roll of it. Cost wise it's $43 for the roll. precisionusa.com/mStorefront/itemDetail.do?item-id=166658&order-quantity=1&customer-item=2826155103&order-uom=EA&warehouse-id=1&item-number=2826155103
Never took a machine shop class in high school, wish I had, because now, 50 year later, it's fascinating. Much ignorance about how stuff works, for instance, the oddball center finder with the wobbly tip. What center does it find, and how?
mrpete222 . Careful with machining magnets! Many years ago I tried reshaping a powerful magnet from a WWII aircraft electric fuel boost pump motor. It literally caught on fire I'm my hand when I tried to grind it!!! So, I then tried to reshape it in the.mill. All seemed to be going well when the chips it was making at first began to glow, then burst into flames! I was never able to identify the metal, but it reminded me of magnesium, except that it was easy to extinguish the fire. I use it now to hold drawings etc. on my tool box, and to impress my friends.
came back to watch this once more, appreciate all your hard work sharing and teaching. you are the best shop teacher I have ever had.
Wow, thank you!
You had me at "dirt nap." I get no shortage of laughs as well as nasty stares when I use that phrase, both of which encourage me to use it even more. I must say that I would have enjoyed your rant about airport security, especially if you've had your few cups of coffee beforehand. For those of you who also enjoy the rants, you must go watch Mr. Pete's Etch-a-sketch video, one of his very best.
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i honestly wish i had you as my teacher in trade school. you explain things so much better than what i had. i might have learned things much better than i did. it was.... well what it was.
Thank you very much for that, comment. I'm glad that your Think so
I'm blown away! I just watched this vid and discovered I have one of these attachments in my "measuring" drawer and never knew what it was for. Thanks shop teacher Mr. Pete!
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Years ago I discovered one of these attachments (Starrett No 392) in a lot of tools I bought some time back. I also didn't know what it was for. I looked it up in Starrett catalog. I have used it ever since. One of my fishtails 'lives' in the attachment.
I like the set screw idea since, as I said above, they are so useful it is worth it to just keep a fishtail gage in it all the time. As mrpete222 says it would be difficult to make the spring. It would also be difficult to heat treat (case harden or harden) the attachment without it turning banana shaped. With some steels it can turn banana shaped just crom cutting one side off lengthwise. I would be interested to see what the measurement was in the middle and if it was the same as measurement for both ends.
This man deserves far more subscribers.Busy taking a dirt nap .ha ha ha. There are not enough old geezers telling their knowledge on you Tube .Its just gold ,pure gold.,being lost forever in the days of plastic and we must have it immediately.
Thank you very much, I hope I'm still around for at least three weeks
You’re the teacher I never had, but always wanted. I appreciate all that you’ve shared with the world sir!
Teacher ,I have been 55yrs in machine shop and I never seen that type of holder ,but it is wonderful process to make it . I did gear and turret lathe operation but never use that thing . my six inch scale was the best friend in my life of business . Thank you .
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If anyone is wanting to make the 'spring loaded' version of this, and doesn't have a hoard of flat springs like Mr. Pete, you can use the 'spines' out of a windscreen wiper blade. I always rip these out and keep them when I have to replace with new ones, as they are a great source of flat spring steel for projects.
Thank you for watching. Someone sent me several of those springs. It is a handy source, I think they are stainless steel as well
Thanks for the reply. A small end mill could solve the pockets for the tabs at the ends, but the hard part would sizing the spring length just right and bending the tabs over without snapping them off (been there, done that).
I love these easy projects and the depth and "over" explanation. ( I don't consider it over explanation, but others may). I've just acquired a used Bridgeport and have it running. These kinds of projects are a necessity for me! Thank you Mr. Pete!
Thank you very much, I am glad you like it. Manny think I am over explaining. But when I am learning something, I need the most minute details
mrpete222 same here. I need hand holding sometime. Do you make house calls?
Even in lackey work in factories people used to get unhappy when I asked that they fully explain the orders they had for me. Never want confusion and when one person tells another some thing confusion often follows.
love all your product videos
Thanks
Agreed Mr. Pete. I used too fly alot but I got tired of being unnecessarily scrutinized prior to boarding. I now drive as much as possible and fly only when absolutely necessary.
Then you understand what I was talking about
As always Mr. Pete a thoughtful and logical approach to a problem using tried and true methodology for certain results.
Thank you very much
I just be dang. I had this about 20 years ago in a box of stuff I bought. Didn't know what it was and through it away.....dang it ! Thanks for the info and the video Mr Pete.
You have a good memory, if you remember what you threw away 20 years ago
Just wanted to give a long overdue thank you to you, I inherited some machine shop equipment and tools from a relative of my wife who passed away he was over a hundred years old when he passed and that was about 20 years ago so you can imagine a lot of the tools are older and there's quite a few I have no idea what they do.
I took shop in high school I've always been handy with my hands I thought I knew quite a bit about tools but there's quite a few tools and accessories he had in his collection that I have no idea about and thanks to you I'm learning what they are this was one of them I knew what the gauge was but not with the attachment was for. Keep up the good work and I don't mind you repeating yourself and again thank you for all you do
@ 12:15 you explain how you go into detail for those who want great detail and suggest skipping ahead for others if it bothers them... there is a "You tube specific" shortcut key for skipping ahead (or back) 5 seconds per shot.. The right and left arrow keys... punch that baby a few times and you can skip right through the parts you don't want to see.... But I have to say, I almost always only use this for skipping back to repeat dialog I might not have understood the first time. Thank you mrpete222 for all the great content.
Thanks, I was unaware of that feature
Hi mrpete222, I really enjoy watching you at work. Thank you.
It always amuses me when you say that "no one is going to make this" as I have followed your instructions and made several(center drill holder, counter-weighted drill press table, oil can, vise...) but I'm probably not going to make this one. Still, learning the operations is worth the video and it's always a pleasure to hear your stories.
Thank you, it pleases me that you were making some of these items
Wonderful, I was cutting a metric m20 thread on a recent video and asked the question how do folks hold the fishtail gauge in place while adjusting the cutting tool. Now I know and can add another tool to make to my project list. Thanks very much for your video . I would add I use self ground hss bits as here in the UK we have far too many thread types to get a full set of insert tips when starting out. BSW, BSWF, UNC,UNF, METRIC, METRIC FINE, BA and that's excluding pipe fittings ..... It keeps us vintage machine guys on our toes. All the best Mat
Glad you saw this video then
It’s not easy keeping up with your output but I do my best. Always educational. Thank you
Nice work Lyle; I was surprised at your comment that you did not have any bottoming taps, especially when you said that you have broken a lot. I'm a pack rat (never throw anything away) and when I break a tap I grind the broken end for a quick and dirty bottom tap. Hopefully the original tap breaks close to the tip for the most length. Or I take an old tap that I've acquired and grind the tip off for an impromptu bottoming tap. Thanks for the great video, thumbs up.
Well, I just finished machining my center gauge attachment. I copied the one you made and it works very well. I ordered a slitting saw the right thickness and when it cam in I got started. Thanks.
That's awesome Jim, glad to hear that you made one
Nice project Mr. Pete. I learned some new ideas on how to deal with roundstock. Thanks!
Thank you for watching
I keep my eyes open when in town looking for street sweeper metal brush blades that have broken off. They make great little springs for this type of project. I often find in mall parking areas, etc
Good day Mr. Pete, I hope you are doing well. I want to thank you for this instructional video on making a center gauge. I've been wanting one and now I think I can machine one with a bit of confidence. By the way, I can never get to much detail, I like any and every tidbit there is. Thanks.
Thank you very much. You are obviously a detail man, like myself
Details, It's how you keep your mistakes to a minimum.
I just received a thread pitch gauge and that thing came with it but I did not have a idea what it was for completely, well now I do. Thanks for the tip, not that I ever cut a thread and ever will.
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When starting holes on a round part or on off-angle surfaces, I find using a ball mill as the first tool to locate the hole eliminates the need to mill a flat spot first. It also makes a dandy center to start the following drill.
The information was extremely useful and very informative.
I'm starting to feel my age and forgetting stuff so that's why I've created a little log of little tips and tricks for my lathe, milling machine and other tools that I have to pass along to my son
Thanks for the information cuz you never get too old to learn. Lol
Thanks
Neat project. I never knew these attachments existed. Thanks for making the video. Since I have more money than time, I bought a Starrett attachment and center gage on eBay. But I may attempt to make an attachment someday. Might be something worth making and trying to sell on eBay and Amazon.
It must be nice to have that much money, LOL
I visited the US 15 years ago. I flew into Philadelphia. At the passport desk a security man was ordering people about in the lines as if they were criminals. It was not a pleasant start to my visit. Incidentally the visit turned out to be wonderful and the people very welcoming. We have been back twice since then and loved it.Talking to other people in the UK who had similar experiences it seems to be more of a problem with US airports than other countries. A pity because most Yanks are great people.
Yes, they are bad. In fact the guards are theterrorists.
You are dead right Mrpete!
US immigration haven't always been nasty. On my first visit I was first to the desk. He took my passport and keyed in my details and frowned..tried again then smiled... Anything wrong? I asked. Well it's like this he's said. Your name rings bells on our system. There's warrants out for drug dealing and homicide...at this point I'm expecting to be marched off and searched in places I keep for the wife...but he looked over his glasses and said, it's ok it's not you.
How can you be so sure? I asked. Well you ain't 6 feet 5 and you certainly ain't black...never been so relieved to be white and 5'8" I my life.
Well I don't think I would go that far, but they are miserable to us USA folk too.
Australian airports are bad 99% of the security staff are muslims ,we are treated like criminals . I get special attention due to having a digital pacemaker in my left shoulder , despite having a special ID card stating that fact ,I get dragged aside every time for a body search ,I cannot pass through the magnetic barriers as there is a chance that the pacemaker will be turned off causing me to collapse on the spot . I no longer fly anywhere ,if I cant drive I dont go .
Great presentation Mr Pete. I learned something new from you once again. Thank you!☺️
It is a great tool to have if you grind your own tools. I have a slitting saw arbor just like yours and it wobbles like a drunk amazed to see yours so straight. Thanks for the video.
Mine doesn't wobble, but the cutter lopes. I think you can see that in the video
Thank You for a very interesting video.
I have never seen one of those tools before, so I was all ears as you explained how it was used and how to make one.
Thanks for watching
I like your set screw design better than the other older designs I believe you won’t lose it as easy if it’s held to the fishtail!
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I know the feeling of breaking a tap. In fact I was reminded today while working on tooling I'm modifying for my lathe I broke a tap while tapping a hole for the adjusting stud. Thankfully I can work around it, because like your project it was the last operation.
Yes, I hate the sound of a tap breaking
another nice little tool Mr Pete. would make a fun shaper project for a diferent skill set too.
Hi Emma, yes it would be a good shape her project and you would not need an expensive tool
Two Thumbs Up!! Great little project mrpete I always learn something from any your video of yours I watch Thanks!!
Thank you for watching
Splendid video Mr Pete! Rant on I couldn't agree more.
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Mr. Pete ,My family has a fastener company in Rockford Illinois. I am a third generation owner a company that does machining operations on headed fasteners. If you are ever in need of a field trip that's not to far down the road from you I would be happy to show you our plant and our machines that were running parts in the 40's and 50's still going strong today. If any of this might interest you or your viewers get in touch with me.
Yes, I am very interested in a field trip. Would I be able to film it and make a video? I cannot give you my email address in a comment. Can you please find my video entitled winter night school video courses by Tubalcain. In this video you will find my email address and for that matter my home address. Then we can discuss this matter further. Thank you very much
I believe I was able to locate the proper email address. I sent over a email with a short video of one of the machine running parts.
Thanks Mrpete, never liked trying to hold the fish tail either.
I would like a Tubalcain decal for my new channel sticker board.
Send me your mailing address
mrpete222 I will, I will send it on your Instagram. Private message 👍
I don't believe Mr. Pete is able to respond to requests, especially in the comments.
Landrew0 did you not read his reply to me?
I wasn't supposed to, that much I'm sure.
Please keep your in-depth videos they give us a full picture of the process great work many thanks. Rudy.
I'm glad you like them that way
Tiny broken tap challenge, may be a good humorous thing to do. Get some small taps and break them in a work piece and send them to various You Tube machinist. HA HA. Good instruction, who'll expect anything less than excellent from Mr. Pete 222?
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That would be a good contest at "The Bash".
Mr pete how do you sharpen the lanten tool holder screw cutting tool? Hone the top?
Always a pleasure to watch your videos sir!!! And it would have been more pleasurable if the rant was still available. We all need to learn your opinion so we can become just like you!!!
The rant is on the cutting room floor. It was too Venamous to air.
Thank you for the good and wholesome instruction for our labors, Sir!
Thank you very much
221 I'm working on a project that this routine will come in very handy..
Thanks Joe and keep up the good work..
I've learned allot from your vids
Thank you for watching
Always enjoy your video Mr. Pete, sorry I missed the TSA rant.
Thank you for watching
A couple of comments 1. Some airline security staff are most likely the guys who used to slice deli meats for you at the supermarket -- being unkind is their form of payback, and 2. I bet I can make one of the center gauge attachments with only $5k worth of tooling.. Great videos!
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awesome stuff. i haven't had this stuff since trade school. ... i miss this sort of stuff.
I still use the buggy whip hand ground tool bit. To get the correct nose profile you have to have a selection of inserts and I HATE buying that stuff if I don't have to. I like the flexibility of making my own, there are always situations where you have to have some odd angle to clear other surfaces and with insert holders you are stuck.
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MrPete what does it mean on the engraving 'double depth for fine thread'
Cool project. Thanks for showing it. I lucked into about a 75lb crate of ground HSS. I'll likely be using it for the rest of my life, and beyond!
That's about two lifetimes supply of HSS
In that case I better convert to Buddhism. :)
Good video, you mentioned your Mitutoyo center gage was made in the USA. They make other things here as I bought an edge finder the other day marked made in USA.
That really surprises me. I wonder if some of it was outsourced
I'm not aware of a Mitutoyo plant here so that is probably the case. It sounds like you are still changing belts on your mill. After putting the VFD on your drill press, you said you might do the mill, have you changed your mind about that? You inspired me and I did it to a lathe and so far I have been happy with it.
I have one of the Starret flavor of these that I bought over 40+? years ago and still use, (but only when I use a hand ground cutter) My son who is also a machinist saw it the other day and asked me what it was for. When I explained what it was for he said the he really couldn't see a reason to use it as they only use inserts for threading. (must be nice to have the $ to buy inserts).
They sure are handy, but I must confess, that lately I have been using carbide. LOL
Did you make or buy the QCTP holder for the dial indicators in the background?
I wonder if making the fishtail holder with a couple magnets on the ends maybe, to hold the fishtail in place and the holder to the work.
Good idea
well done mrpete222. so nice to see at work.
Thank you for watching
Thank you. This will come in handy instead of buying one. I have an apprentice that has a Masters in Mechanical Engineering that can learn from this. Also a good item to make for our personal tool boxes.
If it was already mentioned ( 423 Comments ) please excuse me.
Mr Pete buy a Spring Loaded Tap Guide. They are priced well and get years of use.
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Good video. I'm a bit older now and the old eyes aren't working like they used to. Think I'll make one of these gauge attachments........... Thank you Mr. Pete
Yes, make one
Gracias sr por compartir sus conocimientos y felicidades veo que en todos sus vídeos usa herramienta starret
Saludos desde México
Thank you for your time Mr. Pete
You are quite welcome
I still use the fish gauge to set my threading tool, but I'm nearly 77. I have the cutters for the threading tool you shown, that would last a hundred lifetimes., but as you said most people use the carbide threading cutters now. Those cutters are dipped in the plastisized wax sealant. So they will eventualy wind up in some land fill somewhere. I recovered them from an old industreal machine shop that was closed down. There must have been a hundred slitting saws just goin to rust that had never been taken out of the wraper, untill I opened them up. What a waste.
If I ever get my mill into the garage I'll make one of these. (It's too tall to bring in through the garage door or side door and the head doesn't tilt. Over 15" too tall.)
One thing I would've done differently was I would put a second piece of stock on the other end of the vise to keep the jaws parallel to the small surface being used to hold it for cutting the slot. Many old vises have too much movement at the end of the vise screw and it not being parallel could cause the small piece to be pushed out and the slot cut at an angle to the v-groove.
You will need to enlarger door way with the chainsaw
Could one possibly use square stock?
In the stages the only thing different I would do is in clamping the job in the vice, always have a piece the same length in the vice at the other end of the jaws so it clamps perfectly square.
I often used a screw jack for that.
Howdy Lyle. Nice tool & nice design update .
Thank you
I made one of those back in the early 70s and wish I had one again
Thank you for watching
So, Mitutoyo, a Japanese company started in 1934, opened a US branch about an hour down the road from mrpete222 in Aurora, IL, in 1963, making a full line of precision measuring tools. It's not clear if they continue to manufacture products there. They are listed as having 200-500 employees at that site. Nowadays, in addition to sales and service, they offer a series of seminars on measurement and calibration of precision tools through their Mitutoyo Institute of Metrology.
Thanks for that bit of information. My son lives up that way. There is a big Catapillar plant in that town that is scheduled to close. A huge facility.
Enjoyed the video of making of a paper weight . Will there be another video of making a holder for it to contact a bigger surface of the paper being held down?
No more videos on that series. Very few viewers, people are not interested in that. Manny only comment about the crickets, they must be millennials
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Mr. Pete,
Thanks so much for your great info. I am looking to to build a welding table. Do you have any ideas on how to attach the top without welding it to avoid distortion.
One option I am looking at is to use screws or bolts but still looking for a flat top.
Is it possible to cut an internal thread inside a bolt? Please excuse me for not using the proper terminology. Any chance you could do a video on this.
Regards
I would use flat head machine screws. And yes, you can thread into a bold as long as it is not a hardened bolts
Nice piece of work,Pete. Thank's
Thank you
Drawing is made and will make one tomorrow.
You have a drawing?
I made one. I will email to you.
Great one Randy ++
You talked about magnets... You could magnetize the holder and it would cling to the arbor while you set your cutter.
I remember reading years ago that the Japanese actually renamed a maaanufacturing town USA so they could stamp products that way. This was back in the day when Japanese products were considered junk. They took on the W. Edwards Deming philosophy to totally revolutionize their manufacturing processes and tremendously increase their quality. I worked at a food grade chemical plant where I included part of the story into a manual as part of the Deming philosophy that the plant used.
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wow Im a retired machinist of 31yr never seen one of those ,,, I sure wish they made them now would order one to use in my hobby shop
They are kind of rare
What's the best thing to do in remembering on edge finding?
i look forward to the buggy wip video mine is part near wore out . thanks for sharing
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Nice work Mr pete
Thanks
Yes you do have your right for your opinion and I agree with you although we do need to have security at the airport none of us like having to stand in the lines that's why I choose not to fly unless it is absolutely necessary
but NOT mandated govy idiots that do illegally forced search and seziures, let the airlines pay for security, and offend their customers with it.
I have only flown three times in my life,
Oh my word Mr Pete, You had the part all the way to one side of the vise! Did your house come off its foundation? How do we go on from here?
a lot of Mitutoyo tools are made here in the USA. I used to have a cat. that listed all their factories around the world.
Good to know
Nice slot-cut setup. Thank you.
Good job Lyle! Thank you.
Thanks
How about a Monday morning quarterback? Use 7/16 hex brass (vintage attribute) or stainless (blast for satin chrome appearance) but I also like flame hardening and the smell of burning oil. Drill and tap for (3) 4-48 threads to use (2) ball plungers and a knurled head thumbscrew (or use 3 ball plungers). All avaiable from McMaster-Carr. The plungers are 3/16" long with 0.02" ball protrusion. Using an angle vice holding by the other flats the 90 degree vee may be milled using a normal cutter corner if 15 degree offset. The slot may be milled with the slitting saw matching the top sidewall to the vee groove centerline using the proper angle offset.
Have a pantograph, stamps or lazer artistically proudly mark your name on the top facet, in a smaller font mark the date on a lower facet.
Thank you, great suggestions
@@mrpete222 A surface ground flat may prevent the round scribers from rolling. A large radius surface ground may preform the same?
It's been a while since I've cut a thead on a lathe, my bosses were kinda cheap so it was always hss. And Lh threads we ran the lathe in reverse with the bit upside down
I am a tool fan also but I am reminded by a funny line by the comedian Steven Wright...."you can't have everything, where would you put it".
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That spring stock collection would be perfect for Bosnianbill...
as always it is useful video and what is more useful the tiny details that I like to watch it .thanks Mrpete
Thank you very much
fantastic video, mr. pete - thank you!
Thank you for watching
i never saw a center gage attachment before this video. thank you fore the video it was interesting, and i will not be making one either as i have gotten along with out 1 for my 66yrs..
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stevenacarter77 How did you do that? 🤔 lol
blind i guess
"Busy taking his dirt nap...." I had to replay to confirm the comment. LOL
Ideally wouldnt you want a piece of material the same length as the tool your making in the other end of the vice (while cutting the groove)so the vice clamps squarely onto the work piece (so the work piece doesn’t unexpectedly shoot out of the vice
enjoyed mr pete you made me smile and laugh today thank you
I'm glad you smiled
He promised me number two! I also have a blue-steel one to go with Stan's square set. That will be 5 in my collection.
When you were drilling the holes for the 4-40 screws, why did you not drill both of the holes before tapping. Or did I see this incorrectly and that is what you actually did?
As always, super done video! Many Kudo's for our "Great Master": Mr Pete!
Oh how I wish I could have been one of your students in high school. The untold hours of doing it over would have not been necessary as it is now. Course, you would probably have thrown me out of the class; with my "non-stop" questions. LOL
pat dee he actually said he would not show it because it was just repetitive work.
Thanks Gilberto
I wish I would've had more students who really were interested in the trade
I love the passion. Hi Pop!
When touching off for setup of cutting the slot, you use paper to to gauge. Wouldn't it be necessary to raise the knee an added one half distance of the thickness of the paper ? And wouldn't it be more accurate to use a filler gauge with a known thickness ?
Stanley Denning theoretically yes, but the fact that the slot is wider than the thickest gage he has would make the .0015" accuracy mute. By the way, it's called a feeler gage, not filler gage.
To bring the tool to the edge of the part, you would add the entire thickness of the paper, not half of it. Also, you never use feeler gauges on sharp cutting tools or you can mar the surface of the gauge and ruin it.
I use feeler gauges all the time for it and consider the feeler gauge a disposable item. But that's also because i have a 25ft roll of .002 feeler gauge material.
That's a lot of feeler gauge
Use to adjust the reel mowers at a golf course, it gets beaten up pretty badly so i just get a roll of it. Cost wise it's $43 for the roll. precisionusa.com/mStorefront/itemDetail.do?item-id=166658&order-quantity=1&customer-item=2826155103&order-uom=EA&warehouse-id=1&item-number=2826155103
Thanks again for the operational inspiration.
You are welcome
Thanks Mr Pete
I always enjoy your films
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Never took a machine shop class in high school, wish I had, because now, 50 year later, it's fascinating. Much ignorance about how stuff works, for instance, the oddball center finder with the wobbly tip. What center does it find, and how?
Watch all 900 of my videos, and you will have essentially taken a machine shop class
Nice project. I wonder if there is a magnet that you can mill so you can go hands free on any metal stock that is magnetic?
That would be a good idea
mrpete222 . Careful with machining magnets! Many years ago I tried reshaping a powerful magnet from a WWII aircraft electric fuel boost pump motor. It literally caught on fire I'm my hand when I tried to grind it!!! So, I then tried to reshape it in the.mill. All seemed to be going well when the chips it was making at first began to glow, then burst into flames!
I was never able to identify the metal, but it reminded me of magnesium, except that it was easy to extinguish the fire. I use it now to hold drawings etc. on my tool box, and to impress my friends.
Thanks for another interesting video and the extensive research.
I'm glad you liked it