Should You Buy a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range in 2023?
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The Model 3 Standard Range is Tesla's cheapest model, but is it a good value? In this video I talk about the primary differences between the Standard Range and other Tesla offerings to help you decide if this car is right for you.
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Just bought a standard range. Its a great car. I currently have a pretty serious wind noise problem at highway speeds, part of the driver side windows do not completely seal. Hoping a Tesla Service Center appointment will solve. Took delivery with 11 miles on it. All other aspects of the car are fantastic.
Thanks for being so clear and concise about the topic and information, really appreciate it. It's not easy to come across content that aims to genuinely inform rather than just trying to grab viewers' attention!!
I just picked mine uo today. Its a blast to drive around and it feels like you're leaving people in the dust behind you.
Congrats!! I've never had a car put a smile on my face the way a Tesla does. Good luck to you!
I live in Canada and have had no issues with my Tesla model 3 S.R non awd in winter driving. Believe me we get real winters here. 😊
Nice! I wish I could’ve tested that myself :)
@@RubberDicky ontario
Im very heavily considering a Model 3 standard, with all the rebates and stuff
It’s an insane value imo
It's a tax credit not a rebate. So unless you have alot more than 7500 in tax liability it's not going to get you much back into your pocket.
@@spammerscammer I got back the $7000 for a total of $10k in my tax return lol. Plus the $7500 California rebate and the $2000 EV charge card 🤷♂️
Buying the same RWD with white interior for several reasons:
- Took advantage of high value of 2018 toyota camry xle
- discounted inventory ~5% off
- tax rebate up to 7500
- State rebate of 2000 ending June 2023
- free charging at work
- insurance cost ~4% more than Camry
Overall cost will be low to mid 30000s after tax, fees, rebate, credit and ownership costs to improve as time goes on.
Love all the homework you did! You’re going to love it! Keep an eye on my channel for more videos about how to get the most out of your Tesla. Congrats!
Here in Canada anyway, the cost for insurance for Tesla really outweighs any sort of cost savings that you would get over driving a car like a Toyota Prius or a Corolla.
Now if you're the type of person that you want to be driving an Audi or a BMW where your insurance is going to be classed as a luxury brand then yeah this is pretty much apples to apples but that type of consumer who is looking to save money generally is not driving an Audi or a BMW.
The new Toyota Prius that gets 70 km of range plus is a really good trade-off even with a commute of 80 km a day. You're paying about 30% Less on insurance or more and your benefiting from EV driving with an amazing 10 year 240,000 km warranty for the battery.
Starting on July 1st, with current incentives, this car is $25,300. 🤯 To me that’s a crazy good deal. You also don’t need AWD in Colorado in most situations, you just need winter tires, which you should have regardless of whether or not you have AWD. AWD does not help you stop or steer, it only helps you get going on a slippery slope. 😉 I live Colorado and go to the mountains frequently with both our FWD Hyundai and AWD Subaru. Both have winter tires. The only times we haven’t taken the Hyundai is when the snow is so deep that we might have ground clearance issues so we use the Subaru. However, even the Tesla Y doesn’t have that much ground clearance. Our FWD Hyundai with winter tires does better than most trucks and suvs in the in snow with all season or all terrain tires.
Tired definitely make a massive difference
THE RWD in Tesla M3 is better than Volkswagen AWD! I owned both vehicles and can attest to that!
Wait are u saying it’s going to get more cheap starting July 1?
@@interfuze9470 in Colorado the EV incentive increases to $5000 on July 1st.
The thing is it's a tax credit not a rebate. So it's not like you get a 7500 check. You have to have a tax liability of over 7500 to see any benefit from the tax credit. Most don't. Infact if you owe 7500 any tax year you are doing something wrong.
Really considering now, with at least $9,500 off the price, plus the new LFP batteries that can be charged always to 100% (instead of the recommended 80%), it's almost a no brainer. For the price of a well equipped Toyota Corolla, you can get a new Model 3.
thats if you even qualify for it completely.
@@Tezza-dw1gf Good point, but I think most people would qualify based on the requirements I've seen. I certainly would, but it also depends on your State. I qualify for $7,500 Federal and $2,000 state. Then there is the variable discounts from Tesla directly that seems to change weekly.
Yep! It’s an amazing deal
Great video Ben!! I like the setting that you chose and the camera angle, and you did a great job editing out the wind noise. I'm still learning how to do all of those things!!
Sorry to hear about your 2019 Long Range, that's a real bummer. Gig work can be trying at times, but I think that doing it in an EV is the way to go... I just prefer not to have people in the car (the food goes in the trunk in hot bags lol. Good luck out there maybe we could collaborate sometime if we are in the same area!
Thanks for the comment man! The feedback is helpful. I actually didn't really do anything to edit out the wind noise except put the windscreen on the mic and it seems to have worked pretty well! I also did food delivery for awhile and yeah sometimes it was nice to not have anyone in the car haha
Thank you for review!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Great video. Thank you. Excellent information...viewer in Canada...
Thank you so much!
All wheel drive isn't a necessity. Especially if you live in a city. I live about 1200 miles north of you. We get a ton of snow and a fuck ton more cold. Most people drive a 2WD vehicle. Your tires are a much more important factor. Chains as a last resort if you get stuck.
Unless you do no expect to make much long trips over 100 miles or so, don’t get the standard range plus. I have a SR+ from 2019 240 mi range. Although the 2023 range improved somewhat, the range on longer trips is less than desirable. You must consider the following which you don’t realized it is bad until you stack everything up. 1) Highway efficiency - loss of 15% (85%) at speeds > 65. 2) After the 1st change for trip you only have 60% of range. For longer battery life, speed of charging, you charge at 20% only upto 80% for only 60% of 272 mi. But you do not have 272 mi range after a year. I had only 232 of 240 after a month, 212mi or 88% after 3 years. It seemed to level off at 3 years. Finally add in cold weather. Depending on length of trip you can loose quite a bit. The 2023 is much better than mine due to the heat pump. Mine I only get 60% with few short trips, or 75 miles when charged to 80% at start. Stack everything up, I get only 125 miles or much less in cold between charge cycles on a trip after the first charge on the highway. In spring time on local traffic I do not lose the 15% that I get on highway.
I wished I got the long range because I avoid long trips on mine due to frequent number of charges required for long trips. I wish I sold mine during the pandemic and save the money to buy the long range now.
Another negative, I now live in MA where my electric rate is $0.37 or more per KW. I used to pay $0.17 in NYS. It is no cheaper to refill than a efficient hybrid car.
I always recommend the long range version. It's just a better overall car for most people. Good luck to you!
@@EV_Ben I always make this mistake and go cheap then suffer for for the duration of the ownership. In this case it was a impulse purchase since we have a diesel SUV (with a 18gal tank) which has a true 600+ range. I didn’t realized I really love to drive the M3 much more.
what Tesla need is ventilated and massaging seat. also front bumper sensor
USS sensors are still standard on models delivered to Asia, Australia and NZ.
That would be nice! S/X have ventilated seats but they should definitely add massaging as well! I personally don't care for ventilated seats, feels weird to me, but I know a lot of people love them. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I am starting to take a hard look at getting a Tesla, I am in Ca. so I am not sure exactly what incentives there are, I believe if you get the dual motor you get more back, I will speak with my tax person to see. I would get a Hybrid but I cannot get one, so this is the next best alternative.
Tesla's website will show you what incentives the car qualifies for based on your location, so if you're in CA the website should show CA incentives on the custom order page. Your local Tesla store should also be able to tell you.
The one caution I would suggest is make sure you can charge at home as there are so many EVs in CA that superchargers get very busy, especially during the summer. Good luck and thanks for watching!
@@EV_Ben We have a large Tesla charging center at our local Target, I always see open spots, I am retired, how much does it cost to install a charging system at your house or at least a ball park figure?
Would I have a problem with my Tesla living in Alaska?? That’s my biggest question
The biggest challenge with Alaska right now is there are only 1-2 superchargers that I know of, so if you want to go far from home, that may be a challenge. Also not sure if Tesla has any service centers in Anchorage or not. You can use the PlugShare App to look for chargers in your area (Tesla, J-1772, etc), and see if it would work for you.
Was gonna pull the trigger but I really want the updated version coming out very, very soon.
Fair
9:20 The peak charge kw are just that..peak only......the LFP charges 5% to 80% in 22-25min V3 Supercharger in warm weather (80F / 27c) and will hold 110-120 kw all the way to 80%. - Yes it's a smaller battery but it will add actual miles per minute (because of the efficiency) quicker than either the long range or performance.
Sadly I did not have enough time with the SR to do proper charge testing with it, so I could only report what I experienced. The lower charge speeds were not a huge deal, but I don't know if I agree about more true miles per minute of charging. In my experience I spent slightly more time at Superchargers overall due to combination of lower peak and lower range. Also, the efficiency is greatly affected by speed and wind/weather, to the point where it isn't any more efficient than my old LR on highways in certain situations. In ideal conditions it is more efficient, but it loses that efficiency rather easily on highways in my experience. Again, that's just my experience. Thanks for the comment!
And the craziest LFP battery is the BYD made Blade battery in European version of Model Y Standard range. Seen video with over 170 kWh charging at 60+%
Then smaller battery charges in the SR+ charges slower than the LR when supercharging. It has less battery packs which each pack can only charge at a certain rate. There are more “pipes” for more current because there are more battery packs. At home or normal charging, there current available is less than the max rate possible for the battery packs. See my comments on the pitfalls of standard range for longer trips.
No footlights is my biggest complaint it's dark at night 😡😡😡 what makes me mad is the lights are there too be turn on
I didn’t know they were there…weird
@@RubberDicky nah needs to updated from Tesla
Is there a federal tax credit or rebate on used 2023 though? I thought it was only on new ev’s. I’m in Buffalo ny btw and I’m thinking of either getting a used 2023 model 3 or ioniq 5 which is maybe 2-3k more used
It's not a rebate. It's a tax credit. 95% of us won't ever owe 7500 to benefit from the tax credit. It's a scam.
On used cards it has to be least 2 years old and the purchase price has to be under 25k to qualify for the 4k discount.
It actually qualifies for the full tax credit. May have changed shortly after you made this video.
It did 😅
It’s my dream car. Sadly, it’s far far far out of my price range.
You might be able to find a used one in the low to mid $20k range, not counting any tax incentive you might get :)
You can find some inventory new ones for 37,830 with the 7,500 tax credit and gas savings would be a good deal for you
@@2023byoml sadly I don’t qualify for $7500 tax credit. So I’d only get $1000 off. #povertysucks
HI Ben, Thanks for sharing I dont really need all wheel drive living in Arizona but am a delivery driver as well. I really want the long range because your supposed to get 333 miles of range but when you factor in suppposedly charging when it goes down to 20 percent and stopping around 80 percent that only gives you roughly 200 miles of driving range am I missing something here? that doesnt make any sense plus the LFP battery is supposed to last longer than the Long range let me know your thoughts thanks again. I also thought the long range was supposed to have the LFP battery but im hearing thats not the case.
I want long range too but 7k more? Is it really worth it.
The Long range doesn't have the LFP......yet (I may some time soon). Your points are valid on the Long Range - you can go under 20% and over 80% occasionally but not recommended for daily use - If you charge regularly at home the RWD has both a better usable daily range and much better efficiency. All models are limited to 11kw charging at home.
The maximum charge speeds are also misleading - a RWD LFP will add 5% to 80% in 22-25 min in warm weather (Arizona most of the time in most places) at a V3 charger and will hold a 110-120 kw speed all the way to 80%. Because of the better efficiency it adds actual miles per minute faster than either the Long Range or Performance.
I live in Sydney Australia my RWD with LFP has averaged nearly 5.4 miles per kWh over the first 2000km / 1250miles of 50% freeway / 50% City& Suburban - I get 300 miles from my 60 kwH battery (57.5 usable) I have made 299.8 miles on a single charge with 3% indicated left - normal speed limit, no hypermiling.
For $7k less you lose the added acceleration of the dual motors and some of the premium sound features and fog lights.
Good question. I don't think there is any issue going below 20% battery as long as you don't leave it there overnight. I got home under 20% almost every day (sometimes below 5%) and immediately plugged it in, never had any issues or noticed any degradation between 26,000-79,000 miles over a year. I also charged it to 90% every day (which Tesla recommends) and had no issue there either. So I would say you can safely use 90% of the pack daily. However, you will not get the EPA range. In a new Model 3 Long Range I would say expect somewhere between 280-290 miles using 100% of the battery (being conservative here), then minus another 10% from that lower number to get usable daily range. My 2019 Model 3 got around 240-250 usable real world range, which I found to be plenty, even for Rideshare. However, if you want to drive a full do of Rideshare, plan on charging at some point. That's why I recommend this most for cities with good Supercharging infrastructure because you can eat while you charge which makes things way more time efficient. Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any more questions!
Thanks for the comment! Model 3 does not have LFP as far as I know, but that may change with the rumored refresh coming sometime this year perhaps? As for charging, Tesla recommends up to 90% charge for daily use. You can go as low as you want with the battery as long as you don't leave it low for long. I got home under 20% almost every day (sometimes below 5%) and immediately plugged it in, never had any issues or noticed any degradation between 26,000-79,000 miles over a year. I know other owners who have done the same with their cars without issue. These batteries are built to last.
I’m a travel Nurse and usually change jobs and states every 3 months. I don’t work cold climates. Can I get buy with a standard range model 3?
Yes
i would take a ioniq 6 over a model 3
😂
@@doyleelad1113 COPE
Charging speed of 170kw has nothing to do with the battery pack being LFP. It’s just how Tesla has it because it’s a cheaper car.
Interesting. Either way, it charges slower in my experience. Still fast enough for most people though
The maximum charge speeds are misleading - a RWD LFP will add 5% to 80% in 22-25 min in warm weather (80 F / 27c) at a V3 charger and will hold a 110-120 kw speed all the way to 80%. Because of the better efficiency it adds actual miles per minute faster than either the Long Range or Performance.
No Sway bars on the Standard version
Did not know that
I bought one, now regret it. Depreciation is massive. Musk and Tesla have greatly cheapened the brand with their pricing policy. I’m not replacing my M3 with another Tesla. I’m done
When did you buy it?
I bought one for under $40k US in (order placed early March '23), I already had a VIN and delivery date for mid-April and was just about to pay my final invoice when Tesla sent me an email - "we have lowered the price of your car - we will send you a final invoice for the new lower price" - didn't need to do anything -no dealer would ever do that - Winners and Losers I guess. When the federal incentives on EV's are reduced / abolished your used Tesla will immediately gain value again.
That's amazing! thanks for sharing!
I bought mine at $47k new. Now they are $40k but I am not mad. It has already saved me over $2k in fuel and maintenance over my old gas car. I keep cars for 8 to 10 years so I never worry about depreciation anyway.
The answer is, f**k no!
What a dumb comment about the car not being AWD, then you should just get the Long Range.....think before you speak Also you should also understand how Charging works....you don't charge at 250 all the time the car will dictate how much power the battery should accept there is no control on that
No lol get a MYP
If you have the extra cash, sure
@@EV_Ben actually test drove the M3P. Absolutely speechless. Driving experience blew the MYP out of the water, handling and suspension drastically superior. With M3 inventory rising and highland project around the corner, I suspect further discounts/incentives to be coming. Along with federal incentives, there is simply no better deal on the market for the foreseeable future