RTT vs Camper vs Trailer at SAVE Expo
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Justin! Michael (Hard Impact Designs--rtt quick release mounts) here. It was great meeting you in person! That was a fun weekend. Thank you for sharing the quick release mounts with your audience. I will see you at the next expo!
If I was still working a full time job and camping for 2-4 weeks a year, I'd just be in a cheap roof top tent. Now that I'm camping 20+ weeks a year with a toddler, I just can't beat an AluCab, and it's worth every penny.
You have a super nice set up!!
22:15 That's exactly the appeal of trailers, Hook it and book it. When you get to camp, unhook it and wheel it. Pretty much every Jeep Wrangler coming out of the factory has limited cargo carrying capacity. Keep the weight stored in the trailer and just have the 'last minute' items thrown into the rig before you go (food, sleeping bags, etc). If you can have your RTT mounted on the trailer? Even better! You don't have to break down camp every time you want to go for an adventure.
What I like about these shows is that they spotlight something for everyone. If it gets more people out there, great. But like you also said: You can start simple and learn what you need. The key is to get out there and have fun!
As you work to understand the 'why' of trailers, this is ours: we have "typical" jobs and we daily drive our Bronco and don't want to have it loaded down with permanently affixed gear like a RTT. So, when we are going to go adventure, we hook up the trailer and hit the road. We like that we can leave it at camp and go do day trips from our base. And critically, it is much easier to camp with a kiddo when you have an indoor space, ample water, room for their stuff, etc - see Lifestyle Overland. (Props to @revereoverland for doing it in a camper. Curious to see if/how he evolves their needs as the kiddo grows.). We have a Atlas TetonX trailer, so bigger than most of what you showed.
The GFC has been perfect for my normal 8hr mon-Fri work life. It makes my weekend camping hobby very easy. I keep it simple. Nothing is permanently mounted. Definitely, don’t have cabinets. I still need to do truck stuff sometimes.
Here in Australia, they are strict on GVM of vehicles. It's very hard to build a camper without going over, and making your vehicle illegal. So a trailer is a much better option for many, especially the newer off road models. It also allows you to keep your vehicle as your daily driver. Plus many of the camping spots aren't reserved, so you don't want to lose your spot.
I have an Off Grid Trailer that I pull with my Gladiator. I like the trailer cause I can bring it on long trips or if I'm just going to the lake for the weekend, but I can leave it behind if I'm going out doing some proper adventures.
I drove up to the Arctic in the winter, camping in -40° for 3 weeks. I would have been miserable doing that with a RTT. But when I did the Rubicon I obviously just left the trailer at home.
Trailer value is not just to disconnect and use/commute with vehicle. Also it offloads that weight off your vehicle. Also you can disconnect at camp then go wheel. Depends on individual preference.
That said for "overlanding", having a truck makes more sense generally. Go into reverse like normal. Forces you to keep a bit more simple, etc.
My family chose to go with a trailer because we are a family of 5. We have a 3rd row GX 470 but trying to fit all the gear for everyone in the car while fitting all of our butts in the car is just not comfortable. So I built a Scout trailer with 3 of us in the RTT on the trailer and there's 2 ground tents strapped to the trailer for the older kids. It's nice having something modular that I can keep in a ready status while keeping most of the gear away from the kids so they have as much room as possible.
Was really cool to meet you and chat with you! Also thanks for using my tent as the example iKamper knock off example.....lol. Wish you hadn't been rushed on the trip and could have hung out in the evening for drinks and chat.
To answer the camper question, I personally am not a fan. Never have been and never will be. If you want something like that then buy an RV or a van but that's just my opinion on them.
“Jack you could have fit on the door”🤣😵love it!
I tow an Airstream Basecamp with my Jeep Wrangler. It’s possible if you take certain precautions. I prefer it because Florida requires air conditioning for much of the year. For me, it’s a good middle ground to get my spouse out with me. I’m more of a “park & explore” person & I admit I really enjoy having a bathroom now. 😂
The trailers are great for those of us that like to get more spicy... RockLanding. I can use it for Overlanding, but also drop off at camp and explore the Rocks. This keeps the Jeep lightweight. I also dont have to worry about packing up my camp and loosing my spot when I return.
My main reason for a trailer would be if you truck would break down you still have a place to stay and you don't have to take all your stuff out
Great episode!! Thanks Justin. Any additional information on those quick release mounts for RTT's?
Trailer... I knew I wanted a trailer for the reasons others have mentioned. We do a lot of long distance travel and will stay in the same spot for days, etc. However, the reasons you stated that campers aren't for you were exactly what we found. If you get one big enough to check the boxes, it is too heavy to pull with a Wrangler so you are right back where you started. So, I built my own. Standing height, queen bed, water, heat, fridge, toilet for wifey and 3000lbs wet. I can go anywhere the gfc crowd can and even farther if I unhook but I have a home for bad weather and much longer trips.
As to the trailers if I was a hard core over lander or had a dedicated vehicle I absolutely agree with you.
I'm planning on a cross country trip with my mother so the camper with a little trailer would give both of us our privacy. Mine isn't going to be near as built.
Justin, for me the appeal to trailers can be summed up in two words. My wife. Don't mean that negatively, only that I don't want to do this stuff by myself, I want to share the adventure with my better half and her one stipulation for going with me is "no climbing". No RTT ladders, no scrambling into truck beds and wedging up onto sleeping platforms. And I get why she likes the trailers after we've seen a bunch while doing research on what to buy. It's nice to be able to open a door, sit down, take off your shoes and scoot into bed. No climbing needed.
Yeah, there are the hassles you mentioned, and I personally subscribe to your thinking that a canopy camper is the perfect goldilocks between RTT and trailer. But if I choose going by myself for two weeks or sharing the experience with my wife? Sharing wins every time. Plus side, my truck stays a truck, so I can still go to the hardware store when needed.
I started off, sleeping in my car in an all-wheel-drive hatchback, though, I have been with the cool kids now referred to as Overlanding. We just called a car camping for over 55 years. I switched up to a crossover SUV and then a jeep grand Cherokee SUV where I was sleeping in the vehicle., but when I went full-time on the road, I realize quickly I had to have more storage capacity, and probably more capability in the future. That led me to search for a trailer I spend extended periods of time completely off grid in the backcountry, and was going to need the capability to do that. The first I got was a runaway used find off craigslist. It’s a basic 4 x 6 box on wheels very well built, but it wasn’t capable enough to go down the road I wanted to behind my jeep. It would just bounce all over the place, and I always thought it was gonna flip. so I bought an Offroad package on a 320 S, which turned to be out to be nothing more than more aggressive Tires and raked torsion axle no real off-road capability is suffered from the same issues. I am now in a mass produced 13 foot RV camper trailer which measures about 5 1/2 feet wide inside. 10 feet long inside with a 55 inch ceiling height. This has true independence suspension with coil Springs and shock absorbers the trailer lacked many of the features that was advertised as having and the bill quality kind of sucks so it’s in the process of being completely rebuilt, but slowly as I have time and funds to do so. But having 55 I can almost stand up inside of it. I can change my clothes I can sit up in bed I can have storage under my bed. The space is far more usable, and this will go anywhere. My jeep will in fact, it probably has more capability than my jeep. And this trailer was manufactured by one of the big three RV manufactures, the price was fairly economical, compared to a specialty Offroad brand. For full-time you really have two options a pick up truck with a full sliding camper or you’re pulling a trailer, because my jeep has fantastic maneuverability trailer isn’t really too big of a deal until I have to back it up and then independent suspension has a habit of letting The go whichever direction it wants to go.
Justin, if you want to build some custom cabinets for your camper I’m in Salt Lake and operate a CNC at a cabinet shop so we could easily collaborate on some ideas you have
Yes! Let’s connect. Shoot me a DM on IG.
Having owned every single category in this video, (and still own almost all of them still) If someone asked me what to buy to start "overlanding" I would say an Oztent RV/RX series, or a swag, you get so much for the money. You can put an RV3 on top of a roof rack and its the same as an RTT minus the cost of one. I have a trip coming up this summer, I'm shipping my Wrangler 392 to the east coast (from Hawaii) and shipping my '23 Wagoneer Series III to the west coast (also from Hawaii), driving up to Denver, getting a Gobi Rack put on the Wagoneer, Oztent RX 5, Goal Zero 80liter fridge, and I even ordered a Solix F3800 for this trip, then heading to Grand Tetons, Yellowstone, and Glacier. So with that being said, you can get all that for what a fully kitted out iKamper with all the accessories cost.
With regards to the Alu Cab Canopy Camper, I have done just about every style of camping out of vehicles and as far as I am concerned, there simply is nothing on the market that compares to it. I live out of mine for weeks at a time, I have it on a Gladiator Rubicon which allows me access to most anywhere I want to go. It is a true four season camper and if you get the Dickensons 9000 you are actually comfortable to as low as around 0 F. (about the lowest I have gone so far). I am almost 63 years old and a wee bit larger than you and I have no issue getting into the bed. I have done the tent camping, RTT and offroad trailers. It literally takes me a minute if I am in no hurry to have the camper set up once I am at my spot. With the trailers, I have had issues getting them in some of the areas that I like to camp out in Colorado, New Mexico or other alpine trails with a lot of tight switchbacks.
If we weren’t expecting a new addition to the family this summer, it would be my go-to. The fear of finding room inside comfortably for 3 people on a Gladiator isn’t too promising.
While I agree that the pros outweigh a lot of the cons, the biggest thing I need is room and that is the major holdback to the Alucab Canopy. And unfortunately, I’m in no position to transition to a full-size truck yet.
Trailers provide more overall space than canopy campers, especially when you have more than one person. Additionally, I have yet to see a truck canopy camper build that is at or below the max GVWR listed on the sticker in the drivers door sill.
And as you stated, it’s nice not having a highly modified vehicle while doing your normal life stuff when not a full time YT’er.
Lots of options for everyone 👍
Trailers are good for setting up a Basecamp, taking the weight off your vehicle to go out and play. Also you don't have to tear down camp to go out. It's a different use, if your camping somewhere new every night a bed camper would probably be preferable.
One of the appeals that has me looking into a trailer is when traveling with a family of four. We don’t all fit in a rooftop tent, even in my tundra and having comfortable bedspace where we don’t always have to climb a ladder and can have some living area is appealing.
Great video. I did see you there a couple of times but you looked busy. We got a change to talk with Rob a little and met David and even saw Grind Hard. It’s was a cool show and glad we went. But I do not get trailers. I don’t understand the need or the price.
Anytime you have tent material on a camper/trailer you will need to eventually have to repair or replace it. Know assume it is 4 years down the road and the company doesn’t exist. Custom work will get very expensive. More hard sided options are the way to go.
I bought a 3rd hand gladiator with a fiftyten camping system and there's no way I would spend the money on this rig however nice it is. The $33K for the flat bed and camper shell could buy a complete slide in popup camper with sink, stove dinette etc. the fiftyten sets up in seconds and is very sturdy but the way this Gladiator is built would cost $100K new.
Those 50Tens were all the rage when Goose Gear started importing them, or at least Goose Gear made it seem like they would be. I had sticker shock when I learned that it would be $45k and it didn't even have a water tank. Sounds like you got the deal getting it third hand.
@@JustinBMcBride I picked it up for about the same price as the lowest optioned Rubicon gladiator after the early 24 deep discounts. 47000 miles but it runs great.
To be honest Ive been dreaming of a alucab canopy camper/ModCamp as of yesterday. The Project M is probably a second. I have a custom aluminum fabrication shop near by that do lots truck related items to delete the tailgate and lift gate. The day I get rid of my freaking ladder for rooftop tent will be glorious(ie camper replacement). I guess a fwc slide in on a bowen customs bed, would be the ultimate.
Good video. I’m only in the beginning stages of trying to determine my overland setup. I have a wife and kids and we tent camped which was not the most convenient or comfortable experience. I think for us having the creature comforts of a trailer that I can stand in, cook in if needed, even have a toilet and shower will go a long way to make this an enjoyable hobby for the family. I’m lookin at the tribe trailer or something similar. Expensive, but for multiple people and likely a dog I think it’s justified. Plus i think the ability unhook at camp while some of us ride trails or whatever will be huge so we don’t have to break camp first. If it’s just me I don’t mind tent or hammock camping to keep it light.
Different strokes for different folks, for sure. I see the appeal in all of these options depending on the type of adventure, if it's just me or the whole family, etc.
On a side note, I find the terminology interesting. When I hear the word "camper", I envision a trailer unless otherwise qualified as a "truck camper", etc. Just my 2 cents. 🙂
While I understand the appeal of RTT's, and I would probably go for a hard sided one if it wasn't for some physical limitations (rotator cuff surgeries on both shoulders last year). I have looked at a few "adventure trailers" and I do agree, the costs are up there indeed. I've been looking at the Encore-RV ROG14RKB, it has a wet bath (but no grey water tank), it's around 2600lbs dry, but I wish it had a pop up roof and a 45'd rear departure. I've also looked at the Mission Overland Approach which does have a 45'd departure, a pop up, and is self contained, and weighs in at 4000lbs dry. My vehicle can handle either one with ease. I do understand that I won't have the same accessibility to some places with a trailer, as if I would if I had a RTT. The other plus to a trailer, is that you don't have all the weight on your vehicle. How close are you to your GVWR? I know some other Overlanders with outfitted rigs that have admitted they are over GVWR. God forbid you get into an accident while being overloaded, your insurance could deny you, and their insurance could own you... the end results are no bueno.
Wow! I somehow missed you at SAVE. Would have been cool to meet you there! Funny thing... I also had mic issues with my video that I'm editting.... I haven't figured out how I'm going to get around it with my video. Are you going to be hitting any other expos soon? IE - Southeast Overland Camping at Brushy Mountain is coming up in a couple of weeks.
from what you saw, did you think the 4x4 nimbus is better than the alucab 3r?
I have three different off-road capable Riggs and I didn't want to deal with moving sleeping systems, awnings or anything else from rig to rig, didn't want the loss in miles per gallon with a RTT on top of the vehicle and it's nice to have daily driver that you don't have all of your camping equipment in and everything packed in the camper so you can just pick which rig you wanna take hook the trailer up and go.
Now this makes sense. Like I was saying, trailers aren't my gig, but there is clearly a market for them - and some of them are really well thought out.
19:19 the AT habitat might be good for you since you solo a lot, but the beds seem so stinking narrow!
With all the creative options shown here, I'm still disappointed that none of these set-ups are oriented for families. We have two kids who are rapidly outgrowing our current setup with a large RTT. We are looking for options that will sleep 4 and give enough space for all the kit you need for 4 people. The only thing we can come up with is a trailer with an additional RTT on top, but we haven't found any set-ups that are designed as standard for 4. Have you seen any?
My wife and I, and many of our friends, have 5+ yr old overlanding with us. I guess we're OG (we have a Thule Tepui Kukenam) but what works with bringing children is the RTT on a basecamp trailer towed by an F-150 that has a bed rack with a Roofnest Condor on top of it. The noise never bothered me, my wife or the kids, and we can haul everything bc the truck is also a Supercrew cab. Expensive yes (we initially towed the BCT with a Mini Cooper, but cheaper than a mini RV type trailer and still like OG camping.
We sleep three in the AluCab and could easily add a fourth. Most tear drop trailers can also support a roof top tent on top.
@vernonbernardino5781 that is basically the kind of setup we are looking at right now, so glad to hear it's a viable option!
@RevereOverland you think you could fit four in the top of the Alu-cab or would you need like a bench in the truck bed portion?
@@RonnyGabriels right now our son sleeps on a mattress we put down on the floor of the truck bed, and we could easily put another toddler in that space next to him. If we removed the cabinets we could fit two larger children in the truck bed. The cabinets we have will have a sleeping platform coming soon, and I know a family of 5 who all slept in an AluCab that way.
I enjoy the trailers due to keeping my rig as lite as possible. Once I get where I’m going I can drop the trailer and explore. Due to working a full time job it’s just easier for me to have a trailer.
A trailer RV is was more practical day to day. You keep your rig light and fuel efficient during the week when your commute to work. Then all you have to do is hook up the trailer to go take the family on an adventure on the weekend.
Logically idk how you don't understand the trailer life haha
Whats the best extrusion bedrack out there for a gladiator? No sooft topper just rtt and gear.
I used an Xtrusion Overland bed rack in this video, it wins my recommendation: ua-cam.com/video/Ln0ETBzAZ18/v-deo.htmlsi=6GUhKaXbFSUOcfrB
Nice vid as always… ya dirt box not American made. They may modify it but it’s straight out of China. I have the exact one. Still nice tho. Decent quality and full aluminum.
OH? The dude in the booth told me they were made in Colorado! Thanks for the info!
@@JustinBMcBride ya mine is identical in every way other than their CNC hinges and handles on the back.
Came here to say this also. I wasn’t able to confirm but it definitely seems like a china made product and they way they advertise and talk about it seems disingenuous. There are better actually made in America topper campers. Made in china isn’t terrible if you get the price break that goes with it but dirtbox is priced like a made in USA product.
My understanding is that Dirtbox has complete control of the factory in China that makes these. They’re always making slight improvements and usually offer the new parts to existing owners for free. I’ve seen these in person and can say they appear to be high quality. Most of these style of systems are made overseas.
@@Espo78 I payed $8300 Canadian
Way to Fish for a trailer company Justin 😂 Keep up the good vids
Haha! Trust me, I have enough trailer companies reaching out that I keep turning down.
A trailer is way better than anything mounted to the truck
While I agree having the unit be self-contained can be nice, I'm wanting [to build] a trailer out to enable base camping so I can lighten the vehicle load for more intense trails. You can also add larger things like kayaks and bikes. That being said, the prices on trailers and the rest are really just too much.
Justin take yours and Robs rig to a commercial truck scale and weigh them with all gear and occupants and tell me how far overweight you are compared to the payload sticker in the drivers door jam. You might be fine because of the go fast and you travel alone but most have 2 people kids/dogs. Most 5ft beds are rated for 900-1250 lbs of payload an average 2 people with dog could be 400-500 lbs and campers range from 200-450 lbs or more that doesn’t leave much payload left supplies. Also, my understanding is you can’t change the payload rating even if you add beefier suspension. So I would venture to guess most of those builds are over payload. What does this mean, more wear and tear on the vehicle and you could get fined for exceeding the payload but will that happen, no cops are too busy with commercial vehicles..lol. That’s why one may buy a trailer and I’m with you the overland tax on all things is ridiculous..
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I'd love to have the camper... but I can't even buy the truck for them. It's a "would love to have" but likely not happening in my life time. Roof top camping is probably as far as I'll get. If I had that kind of money, I'd be more likely to buy a trailer.
I’ve heard of a lot of quality issues on the Project M. The Alu Cab is a much better choice for similar money.
I like trailers
Ruining a ikamper style rtt right now and love it buuuut I could see myself moving into a Alu-Cab setup
Why a trailer? We normally more base camp it. Also...children.
The Gladiators are grossly overweight
I don’t think most folks know how quickly 1,100 pounds gets eaten up.
Why a camper? 5 words. 3 kids and a dog. Mike drop.
Like to find out who makes the RTT quick connects . Interesting video Thanks