TF2: Buffs over Nerfs

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  • @GODber777
    @GODber777  Місяць тому +27

    If you want to play with TF2 weapons brought back to their former glory, join Castaway NOW, you can be notified live of when we're filling up revert servers if you join the CASTAWAY STEAM GROUP CHAT
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    We try to fill up every day in NA and EU, straya on weekends
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    • @latviandragon2718
      @latviandragon2718 Місяць тому +5

      question are you the guy in this video: ua-cam.com/video/Saj3Sb1yz3U/v-deo.htmlsi=T6kNiSzxhgx_gklT

    • @theaveragenormie7151
      @theaveragenormie7151 Місяць тому

      Put up the God damn the events so I know when to join.

    • @ghoulzandghosts
      @ghoulzandghosts Місяць тому

      Lowkey i wish castaway was 24 hours or at least had one 24 hour server 😢

    • @KaygeeFromNanotrasen
      @KaygeeFromNanotrasen Місяць тому

      @@latviandragon2718 yes

    • @t-universegamer7609
      @t-universegamer7609 Місяць тому

      Would you guys consider having one for Latin America? I really wish I could play with a reasonably ping and not miss like every other shot because my ping is in the hundreds.

  • @lizardbladez
    @lizardbladez Місяць тому +83

    Esports and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

    • @Nibelungenwarmongers
      @Nibelungenwarmongers Місяць тому +18

      @@lizardbladez just imagine how many franchises were ruined by compjerks - team fortress, halo, even quake in some cases

    • @animanera89
      @animanera89 Місяць тому +12

      Starcraft 2😢

    • @ebookie_meowda
      @ebookie_meowda Місяць тому +11

      That and Reddit.

  • @MyGamingEdge
    @MyGamingEdge Місяць тому +141

    reminder that compies recently banned loch-n-load because "it heckin allowed demo to snipe medics"

    • @Nibelungenwarmongers
      @Nibelungenwarmongers Місяць тому +35

      Not only loch n load, but a quickiebomb launcher too!

    • @MaximusChivus
      @MaximusChivus Місяць тому +26

      Honestly I'm surprised they haven't made it stock + gun boats at this point. At least highlander ban lists make sense in the context of their rules and philosphy, and you still end up with interesting weapon combos on most classes. Mostly it's just weapons that are genuinely overpowered in the context of highlander or make a class so good at a job they already had that it grinds the game to a halt or makes it so some classes just can't play the game (like air strike made medic bombing the easiest part of playing soldier and short circuit made soldier and demo struggle to do any of their jobs well). The biggest exception is scorch shot, which was only partly banned because it was strong, a surprisingly big part of it was pyros hated feeling trapped to one secondary when normally the only secondaries they don't use are gas passer and man melter

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +24

      Comp players when someone uses anything outside their meta:

    • @marshmellowguy586
      @marshmellowguy586 Місяць тому +10

      Comp players when they have to stand in a lightly different spot: 😡😡😡

    • @bogomol95
      @bogomol95 Місяць тому +11

      Comp players when weapon can deal 5% more damage:

  • @MultiCoolmovies
    @MultiCoolmovies Місяць тому +87

    What if Uncle Dane never installed TF2?

    • @Van4eus
      @Van4eus Місяць тому +27

      World peace... Putin started the war in Ukraine cos he got pissed at TF2

    • @Junya1-u2q
      @Junya1-u2q Місяць тому +7

      The Good Ending

    • @na-dt5pw
      @na-dt5pw Місяць тому +17

      Heavy would have won mym

    • @Junya1-u2q
      @Junya1-u2q Місяць тому

      @@na-dt5pw Fr

    • @FelipeJaquez
      @FelipeJaquez Місяць тому

      UtopianCity.gif

  • @mrlnl13
    @mrlnl13 Місяць тому +72

    Another thing why listening to pros WILL ALWAYS kill a fun game is that pros are fundamentally NOT interested in having fun with the game. Pros make money from playing the game, it's their job and their income depends on it. So they are incentivized to make the game more aligned with their specific skills and their needs, make the game easier for them, make meta that caters to them, make less "unpredictable" weapons (i.e. weapons that don't fit the play style they are used to). Even if they started playing the game for fun and then started earning money from it. They deviate from the regular player base, they have different goals, they are essentially an entirely different audience. Even if they don't realise it! They are doing it as a job and it will affect them consciously or unconsciously.
    Playing games for fun and playing games for money are two diametrically opposed things and mindsets and to think that you need to cater to the latter and it will make the game better for the former is insanity. It's crazy it took FPS gaming community over a decade of "pro esports gaming" trend assravaging the fun out of FPS genre to even begin to talk bring this up on some fringes of the internet. I blame ecelebs and their insecurities about their perceived skill. "Oh you want FUN in your video games? But the pro player VirginityKing322 says fun is unfair and he has 9999 elo so if you disagree with him you bad looooooooool". And of course the pro players will rationalise and dream up some excuses why their proposed changes are actually good for the game. But the fact remains - you should never ever listen to 0.1% of the player base who makes money from the game if you want the game to remain fun for the other 99.9% who doesn't.

    • @Slanik_Bab
      @Slanik_Bab Місяць тому +2

      that doesn't really apply to tf2

    • @just5609
      @just5609 Місяць тому +4

      You think people playing comp tf2 do it for money? What money?

    • @mirajaded
      @mirajaded Місяць тому +2

      while it's true that "listening to pros is a bad thing", it's a bad thing because in most cases the game studio taking the feedback somehow fucks it up. this is what happened to tf2, the competitive players were not asking for massive worldwide weapon nerfs, they wanted what everyone in every game like this wants: separate stats for the casual and competitive modes. please redirect your anger towards valve, as this game's weapon balance state is their fault.

  • @fungi5591
    @fungi5591 Місяць тому +41

    Gabber please make a dedicated video to how uncle dane ruined tf2. I'd like to hear more please

  • @albatross8256
    @albatross8256 Місяць тому +62

    soyarlight claims to be an expert on the balance of TF2 and that he knows what is best for the game and he starts making entire testaments to prove it.
    And then remind you that he suggested giving airblast immunity to the demonknight's shields just because they ruined his much-needed fragkills and no one with half a brain took him seriously again.

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +14

      What? Tf2bers being biased? No way!
      Solarlight is a clown

    • @januszpolak254
      @januszpolak254 Місяць тому +19

      How dare my gimmick class get countered by class that means to be the strongest up close after Heavy ?!!!
      > SolarLight unironically

    • @Burgerplants
      @Burgerplants Місяць тому

      *Dunno I agree that airblast is really unfun as demoknight. I would love for them to remove fire immunity but add airblast immunity. Maybe even make demoknight take more fire damage. But gotta see how it will affect the game and if it's good.*

    • @baublesss
      @baublesss 17 днів тому

      hey you're not gonna believe this

  • @energeticyellow1637
    @energeticyellow1637 Місяць тому +75

    i like how you can slowly hear gabber's mental state improve over these last few videos ever since he discovered castaway

    • @CoolSs
      @CoolSs Місяць тому +7

      what a fun game do to a community:
      more accurately. return to the lost fun.

  • @SnipingIsAGoodJobMate
    @SnipingIsAGoodJobMate Місяць тому +101

    You VILL accept all balance changes and you VILL play competitive TF2

    • @rightbehindyou9398
      @rightbehindyou9398 Місяць тому +12

      Oh shit it's gabber's evil twin, who likes comp tf2 and pronounces all Ws with Vs instead of replacing Vs with Ws

    • @zanelightbluesky
      @zanelightbluesky Місяць тому

      Whay is Vill?

    • @americanmapping832
      @americanmapping832 Місяць тому

      ​@@zanelightblueskyI haven't watched the video yet, but I imagine it's mocking his accent. Possibly german

    • @RedWithTheLongYoutubeHandle
      @RedWithTheLongYoutubeHandle 13 днів тому

      New TF2 Order

  • @abdallatifalafandi2522
    @abdallatifalafandi2522 Місяць тому +27

    Most people do acknowledge that there's too many useless weapons, people just know that it's never gonna change

    • @vintagememelord8168
      @vintagememelord8168 Місяць тому +2

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      Brass Beast on offense casual
      YER, Enforcer claetemoer, ulapool caber, Volcano fragment, gas passer reserve shooter, Classic, Syringe gun, kukri, Baby faces blaster, back scatter, Fam 'o' war in casual, Equalizer, stock shovel, Eviction notice, chocolate, Loch 'n' load quickie bomb, loose canon isn't fixed, ShahanShah, The sandman, amputator vita saw,

  • @JeffarryLounder
    @JeffarryLounder Місяць тому +72

    You forgot to mention the fact Scholarlight went schizo thinking that Zestyjesus and everyone else were lobbying against him in that comment section on some discord lmao. Dude's a total nutcase.

    • @j5ylim396
      @j5ylim396 Місяць тому +1

      as a former viewer of his i suspect he got too far up his ass over the whole trimping schtick he had

    • @Nibelungenwarmongers
      @Nibelungenwarmongers Місяць тому +7

      @@JeffarryLounder he's gonna poop on the street after that!

    • @CoolSs
      @CoolSs Місяць тому +10

      well, he is a terminally online redditer....

    • @benyerd6247
      @benyerd6247 Місяць тому +11

      Every time I see a reddit post criticizing comp or weapon nerfs the first comment is always Solar writing an entire essay about how you're wrong and competitive is good and that they AREN'T in fact pretending to have fun

    • @tomas6621
      @tomas6621 Місяць тому +4

      ​​@@benyerd6247I had the bad luck of him replayng to me multiple times. Those shizo rants. My theory on thease is that he is traing to shut down any dyscorse regarding Qvikplay.

  • @peenkle6857
    @peenkle6857 Місяць тому +18

    solar unironically pushing that the base jumper is op is genuinely upsetting
    cant even properly put it together like... brother what?

  • @gamer631
    @gamer631 Місяць тому +22

    "Rational" competitive players when it's time to choose between playing a bastardized version of a Bush era game for 10,000 hours and getting a job

  • @Junya1-u2q
    @Junya1-u2q Місяць тому +53

    Funny how the engineer is one of the only classes that didnt recieve major nerfs or changes during Jungle Inferno and still has sidegrade playstyles

  • @military_snake
    @military_snake Місяць тому +16

    It's good to hear you talkin' about stuff I talk about in conversations a lot: we need more building up, not tearing down. Good to know that Castaway is a great place for stuff like that, I wish I had the time to play it more often! Hopefully I'll be in servers soon :)

    • @mrlampy
      @mrlampy Місяць тому +2

      Typically it’s a bad idea to constantly buff weapons, but tf2’s weapons are it such a poor state at the moment that I wouldn’t mind seeing a good chunk of the weapons being buffed

  • @25kamul
    @25kamul Місяць тому +18

    Loch-n-Load my beloved.

    • @25kamul
      @25kamul Місяць тому +5

      Good call on using something different than the full Gun Mettle revert. Some of the changes in that update were shit, but some were pretty good.

  • @FelipeJaquez
    @FelipeJaquez Місяць тому +21

    "Every weapon a king!" - Gabber Long

  • @Calzilla-yd8qg
    @Calzilla-yd8qg Місяць тому +17

    Total Comp Death

  • @FrancisL4D
    @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +15

    Hot Take!
    Valve should've never listened to comp players, Comp players don't like tf2 they like their own version of tf2 with their own rules, They should have no say on tf2.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +6

      Ice cold take. I would even argue that community *itself* shouldn't have a say, they are entitled to have an opinion, but the only deciding side should be the Development Team, they should look through their private statistics which class/weapon scores/kills/damage the most/least and adjust accordingly. Only that way.

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Місяць тому +2

      Freezing cold.
      The community blames pretty much everything on comp players and believes they should not be listened to.

  • @laurentrinceanu4079
    @laurentrinceanu4079 Місяць тому +7

    I have a dream were balance changes lead to all classes being overpowered and stock remains the best decision

  • @animewolfOtakuwolf
    @animewolfOtakuwolf Місяць тому +10

    It is not a matter of buffs over nerfs, is a matter of where and why buffs or nerfs are made, and that is what killed the balancement and fun in TF2.

  • @FrancisL4D
    @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +17

    Why not nerf Vax? Scorch shot? And Short Circuit?
    But the base jumper!? Bison!? And gru!? Makes no fkn sense.

  • @marshmellowguy586
    @marshmellowguy586 Місяць тому +9

    Competitive players when a weapon makes them have to change their playstyle slightly (it must be nerfed out of existence)

  • @CoolSs
    @CoolSs Місяць тому +8

    "When everything is trickle-down balancing, nothing will be fun"

  • @dyllie1913
    @dyllie1913 Місяць тому +8

    It really is a shame that people refuse to play community servers other than Uncletopia and 24/7 x1000 Highertower
    Castaway has been very enjoyable to play on, it really does feel like an old community server you'd find in the older days of TF2 and it feels so nice to be able to use weapons back when they were interesting and fun to use

  • @atomicpunch1990
    @atomicpunch1990 Місяць тому +7

    18:45 It wasn’t twice as big. Multiple test were made in game and the conclusion was that even though it did give players an advantage, it didn’t have a hit box twice as big. The real numbers were like 20-30% bigger hit box. That’s it. There is footage of it on UA-cam being measured down to the pixel.

  • @bekativus
    @bekativus Місяць тому +8

    wish castaway had more players at more times, I guess I gotta be the change I wanna see in the world

  • @tynoniewiem222
    @tynoniewiem222 Місяць тому +12

    It's really depressing that Valve leaving tf2 in its current state is probably a better outcome than them trying to rebalance anything and likely fucking up the few usable unlocks we still have. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather they undo MyM, Jungle Inferno nerfs and p2p-only chat, but that would essentially be admitting to the mistakes they made, and we can't have that

  • @cooler_carpington
    @cooler_carpington Місяць тому +5

    With usable weapons, you have a better chance at fighting the would-be OP unlocks yourself. Simple as.

  • @uraccountcrashed8845
    @uraccountcrashed8845 Місяць тому +4

    I've always preferred the philosophy of bringing up "bad" weapons so that they are at the level of "good" ones, because when everything is watered down, everything starts to taste like water, ya know? I get that they should be wary of power creep, but they seem to be so terrified of it that it's affecting their base ideals.

  • @neonkapawn
    @neonkapawn 27 днів тому +4

    "Valve should hand over tf2 to the community" Also the community: "Guys guys, let's remove Sniper, delete 80% of the weapons in the game, nerf the rest to the ground because they can kill people, remove random crits and make the only viable classes Demoman, Scout, Medic, Soldier and Engineer because B4nny and Uncle Dane said so, they best players in the world guys trust me, they know what's best for the game, and add 50 garbage maps and cosmetics 3 times a year and bloat the game with bullshit."
    I'd rather Valve never make a single update ever again and never add anything new in the game rather than the game being filled up with community made garbage like in every seasonal update or even worse, Valve changing the game according to what's most upvoted in the workshop.

  • @ebookie_meowda
    @ebookie_meowda Місяць тому +3

    We need Syndrome from The Incredibles balancing this game.
    "If everyone's super, no one will be."

  • @T-P-M_405
    @T-P-M_405 Місяць тому +14

    I agree with you, but the old sandman was turbo cancer. It still didn't deserve it's nerf though

    • @Van4eus
      @Van4eus Місяць тому +6

      i just say a bigger cooldown, clip where the guy was just stunning and comboing dudes that were coming one by one is kinda cancerous

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +3

      It needed a rework. Its useless now

    • @FreakyHimmel
      @FreakyHimmel Місяць тому +2

      @@T-P-M_405 I think not having the ability to fight back is the main problem, for a solid 2 seconds people in the vid had no way to garauntee their survival, just had to hope the scout was dogshit at aiming. I think allowing the player to fight back but keeping the stun would've been fine.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +1

      ​​@@FreakyHimmel man just stop writing this overused take about "fighting back" or "stuns don't belong in TF2", just move, strafe, dodge. Scout has only 110 hp with this thing, it is severely punishing for him if he misses.

    • @T-P-M_405
      @T-P-M_405 Місяць тому +5

      @@FakeCoconut-v7o that's like saying "turn around" to counter spy.

  • @HatsuneTku
    @HatsuneTku Місяць тому +2

    Little known fact. Robin Walker actually intended for TF2 to be played on a half full server where nobody is allowed to play Heavy, Spy, Sniper, Engineer, or Pyro.

  • @wingardiumleviosaaa518
    @wingardiumleviosaaa518 Місяць тому +4

    Server's been great. Together, we'll slowly bring back TF2 to its former glory!

  • @thebreadbringer
    @thebreadbringer Місяць тому +17

    I agree with the overall sentiment that it's better to have every weapon be powerful rather than ass like many are now, but what are you on with the Dragon's Fury? That thing rocks.

    • @mrlnl13
      @mrlnl13 Місяць тому +2

      I feel like it's as good as phlog - i.e. a weapon to dunk on noobs in games where you'd win regardless.

    • @thebreadbringer
      @thebreadbringer Місяць тому +4

      @mrlnl13 No, not really. I actually enjoy airblasting with it more because you can't just spam it, and have to be careful when to use it.

    • @mrlnl13
      @mrlnl13 Місяць тому +14

      @@thebreadbringer you enjoying the downside doesn't turn it into the upside

    • @lilvomitcomet
      @lilvomitcomet Місяць тому +8

      The raw damage output is pretty fun, its main issues are it can be reflected, it's a janky weapon, and a Darwin's danger shield completely renders it useless, but man the ability to 3 shot every class but heavy with good aim is exhilarating

    • @thebreadbringer
      @thebreadbringer Місяць тому +5

      @mrlnl13 I'm not saying it's an upside, but it's not nearly as crippling as a lot of people make it out to be. Just because you can't just completely shut down projectile classes doesn't mean it's as much of a handicap as the phlog.

  • @cultistaautista
    @cultistaautista Місяць тому +2

    The righteous bison nerfs are all you need to know about how abysmal the majority of the decisions behind the weapon balancing were.

  • @FakeCoconut-v7o
    @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +6

    I remember how b4nny was crying over the Degreaser, knowing damn well about Iron Bomber's fat bugged hitbox existing (at that time).

  • @LukeMP2008
    @LukeMP2008 Місяць тому +4

    Honestly, I agree. I would much rather have a wide variety of options with some op ones thrown in the mix then have 90% of the options being useless but with none of said options being op.

  • @Junya1-u2q
    @Junya1-u2q Місяць тому +20

    Soylyer Light

  • @ChibiM11
    @ChibiM11 Місяць тому +6

    I honestly believe is that Gabber is the Anger Translator for videos they make on another tf2 yt account that doesn't get as many views or subs.

    • @josephs.3372
      @josephs.3372 Місяць тому

      he sounds like a loser. Good for him and the team behind the servers, though. I hope that goes well for them in full sincerity. But the video was just weird. Its like it jumped out of a time capsule for a very specific group of TF2 rage tourists

  • @Senor-Batido
    @Senor-Batido Місяць тому +8

    Man, I miss the Reserve Shooter being able to minicrit airblasted enemies, that was the most fun i've had with Pyro ever, but people would just complain about how unfair it was, when you could do the same thing with the Flaregun or a Axtinguisher

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +4

      > Soldier kills 7 of the 9 classes just by double clicking at people's feet at medium range. - "This is fine"
      > Pyro kills someone with the Reserve Shooter mini-crit at close range. - "It's op, nerf, Valve!!"

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Місяць тому

      Honestly the only problem with the Reserve Shooter was it almost completely replacing the shotguns

    • @thetrueinferno7993
      @thetrueinferno7993 Місяць тому

      Thing is, now, with the changes to airblast it would be fine.

    • @Senor-Batido
      @Senor-Batido Місяць тому +1

      @@jblazerndrowzy Using the Flare Gun exclusively for short range usage is kind of a waste, Shotguns are way better for short range damage while flares are for longer ranges, so it didn't really replace the Flare Gun, it replaced the other Shotguns...?

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Місяць тому

      @@Senor-Batido Yeah I typed that shit half asleep, I should’ve said it was replacing the other shottys

  • @WallaWaller
    @WallaWaller Місяць тому +6

    9:37 I'm not sure what you're talking about saying "the Scorch Shot is the only good secondary Pyro has" the truth is that Pryo really only has a handful of bad secondaries, those being the Reserve Shooter and Manmelter. The Panic Attack and Shotgun are good, the Flare gun is good assuming you can aim projectiles decently and the Detonator gives Pyro mobility and easy mini crits to those that can time a right click with moderate consistency.
    What makes the Scorch Shot "overpowered" in the eyes of most, including myself (a Scorch Shot user) is that it does what the Detonator does but with incredible ease, to the point of being free. Mini crits and full afterburn come for landing shots within the same zip code as an enemy, and direct hits are just awful to deal with. Light classes are forced to retreat or die and heavies are left in shambles because their already poor mobility is just ripped out from under them. I honestly feel guilty abusing the knockback of the Scorch Shot to shut down heavies.
    It's not a case of the other weapons being bad, it's the case of the Scorch Shot eclipsing the other flare guns because why use them when the Scorch Shot does it all? It gives mobility like the Detonator, it doesn't require direct hits, it doesn't require timing a right click, and you can knockback and stun anyone you hit directly. At that point the mini-crits are just kicking players while they're down.
    And BTW, the Scorch Shot Phlog combo can be pulled off with the Detonator as well. I've been on both the giving and receiving end of such a Pyro.

    • @yepthateggguy8886
      @yepthateggguy8886 Місяць тому +1

      First of all a sniper in position can easily move out of the way of a scorch shot shot or easily retreat to get a medpack to kill off the afterburn. They can also equip the darwins danger shield. Scouts are fast and if they aren't using their mobility to dodge at least the direct hits from a scorch shot pyro, then they got outplayed. Engineers have sentries, Medics have teammates and spies can use the spycicle. Also, saying the scorch shot can shut down heavies is like saying the grenade launcher or the sticky bomb launcher or the rocket launcher is overpowered because it can shutdown heavies and knock him around somewhat. You could also say that the force of nature is OP because it can knock around heavy. The scorch shot also gives you less height than the detonator, so the detonator still has some use over the scorch shot. If you think the scorch shot outdoes what other flare guns do then why not buff the other flare guns instead of wanting to get the scorch shot nerfed? I mean, ffs this is what the video you watched is about. Buffs over Nerfs.

    • @WallaWaller
      @WallaWaller Місяць тому

      ​@@yepthateggguy8886 When buffs over nerfs is the only balancing philosophy you embrace you get Overwatch 2, and no one wants Overwatch 2. The truth is that because stock weapons are almost never changed Valve has implied stock weapons are the anchor point around which other weapons are compared to.
      As for the comparison of the Scorch shot to other flare guns, lets take a look at what each flare gun offers:
      Flare gun:
      -High burst damage on burning targets assuming accurate aim
      Detonator:
      -Moderate burst damage and moderate DOT assuming adequate aim and timing
      -Moderately enhanced mobility
      -High spam capabilities assuming adequate timing
      Scorch shot:
      -High knockback and damage assuming accurate aim (because it often hits twice)
      -Moderate burst damage and moderate DOT assuming adequate aim (but not timing)
      -Moderately enhanced mobility (but worse than the Detonator)
      -High spam capabilities regardless of timing
      It beats both other flare guns by doing their jobs better than they can. If you can aim it beats the Flare gun because a double hit will do as much if not more damage than a flare crit while also adding knockback. If you can't aim it beats the detonator because you don't need timing either. As for mobility only top tier pyros will be able to make full use of the extra mobility of the Detonator, while most others will find the Scorch shot perfectly servicable. There isn't a buff that could be added to the other flare guns that wouldn't just turn them into the Scorch Shot 2.0 because the Scorch Shot does it all.

  • @gamerdudemanguy
    @gamerdudemanguy Місяць тому +9

    i think yeah some nerfs should happen but overall, i think making the shittiest of shits better is a good idea
    like please explain to me why the tribalmans shiv needed to exist
    also soylerlight is delusional
    oh god my gimmick subclass is countered by default actual classes! the horror! nerf pyro he counters a playstyle that differs majorly from the usual way your supposed to play a class

    • @Felipe-yv4bc
      @Felipe-yv4bc 4 дні тому

      the razorback is also a great example of a weapon that shouldn't have the right to exist

  • @CoolSs
    @CoolSs Місяць тому +4

    10:32 you know the sad thing, i remember the sentiment before MYM where everyone agrees that buffing everything instead of nerfing what is OP is preferable. so everything can be viable. then came the new age of youtubers who had hate boner for specific item (looking at you funk. i blame you for the reserve shooter nerf) i am actually shocked that Valve didn't end up removing random crits in MYM.

  • @Sussybaka-x5g
    @Sussybaka-x5g Місяць тому +3

    During 2013-2014 I used to play on a cp_orange server non stop. Peak casual tf2, minus the standard maps. Everyday after school, the server would turn into a bloodbath. Players would go on crazy killstreaks in hope of raising their rank on the weekly leaderboard. I could’ve whined and cried about how they are abusing xyz, but instead I just messaged one of the best players in the server and he taught me everything about the game. All the tips and tricks. Soon after I started being better at the game and adapted easily.
    Annoying sandman scout? Direct hit or loch and load would take care of it.
    Annoying reserve shooter pyro? Force of nature scout and sniper.
    Sniper shutting down server?
    Go amby spy, go scout, go vax medic ans pocket your sniper.
    Nothing felt overpowered, there was always counter play. Most ppl just took the easier way, complaining instead of getting good.
    Castaway is doing gods work reviving the old fun, chaotic, bullshit days of tf2. The only time I hop onto tf2 these days is if castaway has a play session active. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother keeping this game installed on my pc.

    • @GODber777
      @GODber777  Місяць тому +1

      CHEERS! Heard from several people now that they reinstalled the game specifically to play with reverted weapons. Says a lot about how important viable unlocks are to people's enjoyment of the game.

  • @jeffjordan4036
    @jeffjordan4036 Місяць тому +8

    posting this on a throwaway account
    Other than the vaccinator being overpowered I agree with most this video said, it's absolutely crazy how almost all the weapons in this game have been nerfed to the point of being a direct downgrade yet it's "cool and hip" to call for certain weapons to be nerfed while it's such a fringe idea to call for weapons to be buffed.
    I will say this, honestly, the Pyro is the Jew of Team Fortress 2. I don't mean that in that conspiracy theorist way that muhhh they control all the world and shit, but I mean that in the sense that they've historically been largely oppressed.
    I started playing TF2 in late 2009, I don't play it anymore and haven't since 2022, however, I did play it a fair bit back in 2007/2008 (on the Xbox 360) and I did have a lot of friends who played TF2 at the time so I am was well aware at what was going on in the game before I started playing it on the PC and I will say this:
    I remember people in 2007 hating the Pyro for being "WM+1"
    I remember people in 2008 hating the Pyro for adding the airblast which made the Pyro more effective on 1 to 1 combat instead of just utilizing flanking and ambushing (Pyro didn't always have airblast on release)
    I remember in 2009, when they added the flare gun or axtinguisher, I remember TONS OF HATE towards the Pyro for being able to 2 hit kill classes with the flare gun and axtinguisher
    I remember in 2010 when so many people were hating the Pyro for the backburner with crits on behind and +50 maximum health
    I remember in 2011, right after the Uber Update which made this game free people were hating the Pyro for adding the detonator which made him "too mobile"
    I remember in 2012 when they added the Phlogistinator a very sad group of people began a hate train on Pyro for being "no skill" and "WM+1" and I also remember quite a bit of hate on the Neon Annihilator for apparently making the Pyro "too OP in maps with water"
    I remember in 2013 people hating on the Pyro for the degreaser + reserve shooter combo for the usual untrue accusation "takes no skill"
    I remember in 2014 people hating the Pyro because the +75 kill on powerjack was "too much" and because he was the only class that had an unlock that was a direct upgrade, which was the third degree (actual reasonable thing to say tbh)
    I remember in 2015 people hating the Pyro because the scorch shot was unfun to fight against, classic waaaah knockback is a bitch or it makes it hard to play as sniper
    I remember in 2016 people hating the Pyro because it was unfair that they buffed the flamethrower reducing medigun buffs, can't forget the backlash too after Pyro won
    I remember in 2017 people hating the Pyro because the pyro got its second update and how having a jetpack didnt belong in TF2 and also like you said the hate towards the Dragons Fury
    I remember in 2018 people hating the Pyro also for the dragons fury, even after the nerf
    I remember in 2019 although this was only a few people but i saw a lot of hate on Pyro because it was the only class where it's unusuals mostly stayed the same price after the crate depression
    I remember in 2020, we saw the rise of Tacobot.tf in MVM and there developed a Pyro kneejerk response to shit on the gas passer and how it become the norm to leave or just to kick anyone who selected Pyro in MVM unless it was final wave of Hamlet Hostility.
    NO OTHER CLASS, NO OTHER CHARACTER, in the history of multiplayer FPS gaming has been mischaracterized and unfairly hated as much as the Pyro has. If classes were ethnicities, then the Pyro would be the most discriminated race in history. The only similar class hate I have seen is for sniper, with more moderate voices calling for the Sniper to simply be reformed with some more radical voices calling for the Sniper to be outright removed from the game, but I feel like that's largely in part due to frustration from the bot crisis and not actual hate for the classes existence because I never saw that before the bot crisis.
    I don't really hate any class in TF2 or want any weapon or strat whatever that is currently in the game to be nerfed, but for me, the Soldier is the spoiled brat of TF2, I don't mean to insult people who main this class and I'm friends with a lot of Soldier mains but you aren't allowed to criticise the soldier because some of the biggest TF2 youtubers in TF2 history were all Soldier Mains, the likes of Muselk, STAR, Jerma985 etc.
    Think about this for a second :Have you ever seen any of the soldiers weapons get a weapon killing nerf???
    In the sense that the Pyro is the Jew of TF2 (most oppressed group in history) the Soldier is the Jew of TF2 (fake conspiracy theory that they control everything)
    I have never seen anybody hate on the Soldier, literally never, you are not allowed to criticise them lest you want an angry brigade of people to attack you. I've seen people hate on the Scout, calling them "scunts" and criticising them for having high DPS high mobility, ive seen people hate on the Pyro for the reasons I stated above, Ive seen people hate on the Demoman when the Loch-n-load was new, Ive seen people hate the Heavy and Medic not for its positives but rather for its negatives how there's not much to do in that class, ive seen people shit on the Engineer for the wrangler being OP and the mini sentry being "annoying", ive seen people hate the sniper for the reasons i stated above and people hating the spy and there's a lot of this, lots of angry crying children hating the pre nerf ambassador, dead ringer pre nerf etc.
    Every class has had multiple weapons that was NERFED TO THE GROUND other than the soldier (with the exception of the Bison which sucked since day 1 and I guess you could say the Equalizer? which wasnt nerfed but just split into two weapons) YOU NEVER see ANYONE hating on the Soldier because all the popular UA-camrs are Soldier mains, and if you think about it, the Soldier is the ONLY CLASS that has never had a weapon destroying nerf. I have a fun challenge for you, go to the TF2 wiki and go to any random non soldier weapon and compare their stats on release versus it now, i am willing to bet at least 65% of them are worse now than it was on release.
    Nearly the entire Scouts arsenal has been NERFED TO THE GROUND to the point of unusuability (baby faces blaster, crit a cola, bonk, soda popper etc.) Pyro has had several shit nerfed, Demoman had the loch n load nerfed, Engineer had nearly all his sidegrades nerfed to the point you gotta always use the wrangler, Medic ehhh never had any nerfs but really ever since the 2011 uber update you should only ever use crossbow (medigun that fits the situation) and ubersaw (and maybe amputator taunt in dustbowl), Spy had a lot of weapons nerfed like enforcer ambassador dead wringer but not as much as Scout who was undoubtedly hit the worst. You are not allowed to criticse the Soldier and his special treatment and how he is the spoiled brat and the golden boy of TF2, he alongside the deep state (comp scene and e-celebs ) control TF2 and pull everything behind the strings.
    Can you name one nerf to the Soldier's core class? Or one weapon destroying nerf other than the Righteous Bison which already sucked anyway?
    Notice how he is always protected and defended by TF2 UA-camrs and Comp players? Notice how any weapon that counters Soldier is nerfed? (The Pyro's airblast, the Demomans loch n load, the Heavies damage ramp up, the Engineers short circuit M2)
    Can you name any other class that has such a versatile weapon choice, free from any major nerfs? All of the Soldier's weapons are good/optimal in certain situations with the exception of the Rocket Jumper and Bison. Other classes that once had versatile weapon choices were nerfed for mysterious reasons.
    I will end this with one final story I have, it was the WAR! Update back in 2009, it was basically like MYM 2016 Heavy vs Pyro winner gets an update first but this time it wasnt for an update, it was for which class would get the Gunboats as an unlockable weapon and as we all know that weapon is only for Soldier so Soldier won, every time a Soldier killed a Demoman in a server the Soldier team would win a point while versa demomen team gets a point when they kill a soldier.
    I was new to TF2 at the time as I joined in late 2009 so I was still very shit at the game but I do remember at that at the for pretty much majority of the event the demoman had a solid 120k-150k kills lead over the soldier, then just like how you say heavy vs pyro was stolen by uncle dane i believe this was stolen too, i remember in the last 2 days there was a massive propaganda campaign to help the soldier, tf2 youtubers uploaded videos promoting the soldier, all over reddit pro soldier content, all over gameFAQs, all over forums steampowered (the one that preceded the steam discussion forums and you could access it from a button in the in the game menu) all of a sudden out of nowhere that 120k kill lead slimmed down more and more and Soldier ended up winning with 6,406,065 kills while Demoman got 6,372,979, 33086 kills gave the gunboats to the soldier and to this day although that was a very long time ago i believe that was a stolen victory that was propogated by secret forces and bad actors within the community who want it all and dont want to compromise, this would be much longer but unfortunately youtube has a 10k character limit so ill end it here

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Місяць тому +2

      Outside of the paragraph where you bring up other classes that had their weapons murdered(only right about BFB getting butchered to unusability), I pretty much agree, especially with how much people let Soldier get away with shit. I’m convinced that only happens because like 90% of the playerbase either mains Soldier or plays him enough to not want him to be properly balanced.

    • @GODber777
      @GODber777  Місяць тому +5

      Have no idea about the WAR update, that was before my time. Interesting to think that TF2 could have 2 cases of electoral fraud years apart lololol. Smart of you to use a throwaway. The soldier mob would have had you whacked for exposing their corruption.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +2

      THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
      Finally someone said that. Yeah, it's baffling with how much community allows Soldier to get away with.
      There's nothing I can add to such say. But if I dare, I would say that Soldier _is_ objectively the easiest class in the game. He does the same thing as Pyro does, only faster, with more ( _burst_ damage! not shitty damage-over-time that flamethrowers do) damage and more range, while also having more mobility. Pyro doesn't have anything of it, never had. But somehow Pyro is always hated to the same degree Soldier is loved.
      I think it's because Pyro was shifting from being his cannon fodder to being his soft counter, same how any other class had one (Scout > Demo, Demo > Engi, Engi > Scout), but Soldier community didn't want that.
      But did you know that Soldier got even easier in 2009 when they increased blast radius from 121 HU to 146 HU we have today? You don't see people bringing that up for some reason... I wonder why...

    • @jeffjordan4036
      @jeffjordan4036 Місяць тому +5

      I'm glad you agree, I think Soldier is pretty easy, this is a bit anecdotal but recently back in 2020 during the height of the pandemic I played TF2 with a friend who has no experience on any FPS shooter with the exception of L4D2, which is yeah an FPS shooter but it's sort of a casual run and gun game and it's not like TF2 where your enemies shoot back at you. He ended up getting Top 3 most points in our team frequently. But then again that server was full of Tier 1 medals which could indicate most people were new so who knows.
      Another thing I wanna add is that Soldier mains have culturally affected TF2 more than anybody else to the point that they change average day to day gameplay, and this is one of the reasons I hold a grudge. The best example for this is what happened to pl_hightower.
      For those who don't know, pre-2013 (if my memory is correct) the average game on pl_hightower was normal and everyone did the objective. I will defend to death this opinion but I think Hightower IF PLAYED NORMALLY is the greatest map in the history of TF2 for new players to learn the game. It's very compassionate at the start however as time passes by shit hits the fan and now you, the new player needs to apply what you've learnt so far and put all your skills that you've learned to the test and go full force because now you need to decide a) Should I help my team capture the objective or b) Should I go out and kill enough enemies so that I can clear a pathway for my team to capture the objective? And every time you'd play the map it would be so chaotic and there'd be a huge firefight and at the end it's such a nailbiter because oftentimes both carts end up at the end and you spawn right next to it so the game from then on would be this intense fight and whoever would win often depends on how good your team was on gamesense and teamwork.
      At least, that's how games on Hightower used to be. In 2013, UA-camrs like STAR_, Muselk, Jerma985 (who I have a tremendous amount of respect for regardless of what people think) basically made it a trend to not to cap on Hightower, to just goof off and rocket jump in the map or play gunslinger engineer or get market garden kills, basically anything but not do the objective and although this was probably not their intention I will never forgive them for this, they've turned what was essentially in my opinion the greatest map in the history of TF2 to learn how to play into basically just a glorified cp_orange.
      Okay, you want to do that in Hightower? Fine, nobody should be forced to play a certain way, if only they had the same attitude though because for the past 11 years it has been the norm for a bunch of sad losers to kick people for doing the objective on Hightower, even if the people capping may just be new players who are unaware that it's a social norm to not cap in that map. Even in Casual you can no longer do it, because some people unfortunately are too lazy to find a 24/7 Hightower server, they force everyone to play the way they want to play even if they can just revote the map if people do cap.
      11 years since mainly STAR_ and Jerma popularized the idea of treating Hightower like a joke map 11 years have passed and people still do it. Think about that for a second, that's just a testament of the power and influence of what I call the Soldier main lobby.

    • @jeffjordan4036
      @jeffjordan4036 Місяць тому

      @@FakeCoconut-v7o Also, I had no idea about them increasing the blast radius. Crazy.

  • @Demetori-l1u
    @Demetori-l1u Місяць тому +9

    When everything’s overpowered nothing will be

    • @cralo2569
      @cralo2569 Місяць тому +2

      there's a reason modern warfare 2 was so good

  • @PYBR0
    @PYBR0 Місяць тому

    1:20 You’re welcome sir, it was honor playing with or against you 🫡🇺🇸

  • @loxsem4759
    @loxsem4759 Місяць тому +34

    Hot take: comp players did more damage to TF2 then bot hosters

    • @KaygeeFromNanotrasen
      @KaygeeFromNanotrasen Місяць тому +13

      Subzero take

    • @tomfreeman3816
      @tomfreeman3816 Місяць тому +19

      well yeah, if casual matchmaking had never been added the bot crisis wouldnt have even happened :^)

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +11

      Objectivly true

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +4

      ​@@KaygeeFromNanotrasen
      He is speaking the truth

    • @Senor-Batido
      @Senor-Batido Місяць тому +8

      Comp players and cheaters were always more annoying that those bots tbh

  • @doritorancho4735
    @doritorancho4735 Місяць тому +3

    THANK YOU, i have been saying stuff like this for years, it has come to a point where i do try to have more variety on playstyles but i just can't because most weapons can barely do anything, like we keep trying to cope for years, but the Detonator sucks, it's good to get to another places and tricks and stuff, but its literally just a worse flare gun, and the only thing it does right which is the "crowd control" in mouse 2 is already made better when using the scortch shot, other than the shotgun and the scortch shot, everything is kinda ass in Pyros secondaries, and most classes suffer from this, SPECIALLY Medic, he is has been my main for years but i would like to use something other than the crossbow and ubersaw for once and not feel like im wasting time.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +1

      @@doritorancho4735 Deto really does need a buff. Mainly its self-damage reduced in half and -25% damage penalty removed:
      1) It doesn't make a difference whether it deals 23 or 30 when not mini-critting, like with the Flamethrowers.
      2) People's skill level has greatly improved over the years so Deto does need its self-damage reduced to make it stand out among DM secondaries like stock shotgun/flare gun meta or a spam oriented Scorch Shot.

  • @ScientoloJew
    @ScientoloJew Місяць тому +1

    that chat looks absolutely keyed i might join

  • @blindbeholder9713
    @blindbeholder9713 Місяць тому +5

    Flare Gun and Detonator are plenty good, and stock shotty is as good on Pyro as any other class. The Jetpack is also... fine. It can be fun.

    • @bluemoon-q2g
      @bluemoon-q2g Місяць тому +2

      yeah idk why he said that the flare gun needs a buff, like it is perfectly balanced

    • @januszpolak254
      @januszpolak254 Місяць тому +1

      Jetpack just need it's switch in and off speed buffed to be good. Other Pyro secondaries except Gas Passer are perfecty fine as they are.

  • @WeeabooPocky
    @WeeabooPocky Місяць тому +2

    are you serously calling the dragon's fury a bad weapon?, i mean, yeah sure, you barely see any pyro using it, but it's not because it's underpowered, but because it changes the way you play pyro, from a support kinda class to a full offensive class.
    and it's mostly because the fire becomes a projectile instead of particles, and the way air blast works.
    and the nerf it got was necesary, the projectile of it was so easy to hit because the huge hitbox it used to have.

  • @typicalgentleman
    @typicalgentleman Місяць тому +3

    I completely agree with you on everything else, but I can only assume that a small minority of comp players are willing to use weapons other than what is considered the meta. There had to be people who used the weapons for them to get banned right?

  • @therealthirst8099
    @therealthirst8099 Місяць тому +1

    Heavy is my favorite class, so for me personally the way the GRU was mangled after MyM still stings to this day. The health drain is just too punishing for how moderate of an upside you get. On anything other than a KOTH map, any time saved with the speed boost is cancelled by the slow health regen, so you're better off just walking with the Fists of Steel 90% of the time.

  • @elinogales
    @elinogales 29 днів тому +2

    I also think UA-camrs spread the notion of some weapons being “OP”, like the Scorch Shot for instance, while somewhat annoying to fight against and can “1-Shot lightweight classes” (which like… sure it could? But that will never actually happen, theoretics are different from reality), as the spread the notion it’s too strong.
    Personally I think it’s fine, and if anything, Detonator is also just as good if not better that Scorch Shot, it generally preforms better but oh no, apparently because it’s “Skilled” that’s the excuse why Detonator is balanced and Scorch Shot is OP.
    Not sure if you’ve seen his videos, but I’d like to see how you review Fish on a Stick’s Gaming “Bad Weapon Academy” and his takes on the various TF2 weapons that exist, I would absolutely EAT a video of yours about that man, you speak for fun!
    Have a fantastic day dude!

  • @ssssssssssssssssss50
    @ssssssssssssssssss50 Місяць тому +1

    19:00 so nice seeing payload race nightfall. Last time i played it was probably 2012 or 2013

  • @mikoajczechowicz1652
    @mikoajczechowicz1652 Місяць тому +1

    Everyone wants to save the world.
    They just cant agree on how.

  • @Schizoknight
    @Schizoknight Місяць тому +4

    Honestly, buffing over nerfing stuff seems like a good balancing philosophy not only for TF2, but for other games too. No matter what game you play, when something gets nerfed, even if it's for both sides, it's fucking shit. I'd rather have everyone have strong "OP" options, rather than everyone shoot each other with waterguns. (I'm looking at you, DBD. Never forgive, never forget.) Not only it's good because you get value from whatever you have equipped, but also if your opponent is using a strong thing, you can learn to counter it instead of just whining. It really just comes down to "git gud".
    When I started playing on the server, I found that The Sandman, literal poster boy of this server, is not that bad because you can literally just dodge it. Even when it hits you, you can dodge Scout's shots, even with this slow movement speed from the stun. And I started playing in 2019. It's really just a skill issue after all.

    • @GODber777
      @GODber777  Місяць тому +1

      The best cure against the nonsensical retroactively created myths on unlocks like the sandman and amby being gamebreaking is just playing a few hours on revert servers. The bullshit falls away quickly. I want to force every single post Jungle Inferno install to do this and take the RED pill.

  • @monsterhunterdude569
    @monsterhunterdude569 Місяць тому +1

    I do have to say Scout, Heavy, and Pyro don't have many great primaries anymore. It appears to be a lot of "throwing the baby with the bathwater". Like the Sandman and cleaver didn't need nerfs when they were apart and the reserve shooter was only dumb on pyro because he didn't have to juggle it with anywhere near the difficulty Soldier does. But that's just me who only started a bit before Jungle Inferno.

  • @thecaninecultivatordog_far5777
    @thecaninecultivatordog_far5777 Місяць тому +1

    I agree with your sentiment overall, I do prefer buffs over nerfs and there are a lot more weapons that need buffs over weapons that need nerfs. But I think the scorch shot take is unjustified. The main issue people have with the scorch shot is how easy it is to spam and how well it synergizes with the phlog. The flare and det are both good weapons. Pyro isn't a fragger class, he's a weird mix of support, flank, and frag. He's a jack of all trades and it's weird.
    Also people have an issue with the kunai because having shit teammates who don't turn around are just walking full health packs. And that's annoying.
    Whole fully agree with the vacc, fuck that thing

    • @rightbehindyou9398
      @rightbehindyou9398 Місяць тому

      Oooh yeah the detonator spam for easy phlog charge is bs

  • @GreyOatmeal
    @GreyOatmeal 19 днів тому

    Juicy classic Reserve Shooter & Axtinguisher gameplay? very nice.

  • @kiki88561
    @kiki88561 Місяць тому

    I am incredibly glad someone other than myself finally challenged the "not fun to fight" shit.

  • @Earthium
    @Earthium Місяць тому +4

    The only change that I would agree with was the loch and load damage nerf on players because it used to one shot classes. Being one shot as a game mechanic, is not fun, at least with stickys you can see them visually and the demo needs to set up. The faster projectile speed on the loch and load made it easier to land shots and it shut down any scouts mid and short range as it would 1 shot them, which was demo's weakness. There's nothing the scout could really do.
    I wish they had the old axtingusher that crit burning players, the reserve shooter that minicrit all players in the air even if they jump, the baby face blaster meter didn't drop to nothing by jumping or getting damaged, the sandman/cleaver combo. All of these are countered with basic situational awareness, oh look there is a pyro running towards me, walk backwards and focus them so they don't get a melee crit on me, oh look a sandman ball flying 100 yards away through the air better not walk into it, oh look a baby face blaster scout better not wander off by myself and not get baited by the chip damage they do. Also RIP bison you weren't even that good unless you crit.

    • @calsalitra4689
      @calsalitra4689 Місяць тому +2

      However, the reason the Loch n Load could one-shot classes was because of random damage spread, which was removed. Without that the LnL will always do 120 damage, which cannot one-shot any stock classes. It could one-shot Scouts and Spies who reduce their maximum health, but they chose to make that sacrifice so I think it's fine.

    • @thetrueinferno7993
      @thetrueinferno7993 Місяць тому

      @@calsalitra4689 Exactly, outside of the case of increased/reduced max hp classes, it takes the same amount of shots to kill as the grenade launcher, and needs to reload to kill heavies.

  • @manhoovy193
    @manhoovy193 Місяць тому +2

    Once I was playing on a rebalance server of his and when I said that the reversion of the sandman is bad they cussed at me and called me a compie
    P.S. 4 time is a charm

    • @rightbehindyou9398
      @rightbehindyou9398 Місяць тому +1

      I haven't played on any of his servers but I had a feeling they'd be some sort of counter culture echochamber. I pretty much agree with almost everything this guy says, including sandman, but it's still kind of idiotic to just gang up on people with opinions different to yours

  • @D-N-0
    @D-N-0 Місяць тому +5

    15:27 ambassador is in perfect state as is just like dragons fury (GRU is also fine, unlike the eviction notice). More so, I could say dragons fury is a bit too strong

    • @Senor-Batido
      @Senor-Batido Місяць тому +6

      Dragons Fury is ok, not strong nor weak, the Amby def needs a small buff tho, like maybe giving it 4 extra meters of efective crit range or whatever, it's kind of thong juice currently, but also the og version needed a nerf sooo

    • @energeticyellow1637
      @energeticyellow1637 Місяць тому +6

      Modern Ambassador is genuinely useless. It does exactly what stock does but requires better aim

    • @tomas6621
      @tomas6621 Місяць тому +3

      @@energeticyellow1637 No

    • @D-N-0
      @D-N-0 Місяць тому +1

      @@energeticyellow1637 you do know about damage thresholds?

  • @Ahmadabdal_
    @Ahmadabdal_ 22 дні тому

    oh my god the degreaser shotgun crit axe combo ;( i still miss it

  • @warrior8034
    @warrior8034 Місяць тому +3

    You have let hatred fuel your heart man, hope you are able to see the light

  • @mug-o-tea9517
    @mug-o-tea9517 Місяць тому +2

    as a spy main I do like the new Ambassador, it makes you think more strategically, i do think that, the default invis watch and to a lesser extent the Dead Ringer need buffs as I personally think Cloak and Dagger is the most boring but usually the best option

  • @lamegamertime
    @lamegamertime 11 днів тому +1

    I don't get where the sentiment comes from that comp players want, or used to want, anything nerfed. (Granted, I wasn't around to hear any comp player say so anyway, maybe you've talked to the comp players and know better?) Having more options is an outright bad thing for competitive play because it reduces gameplay depth, and it would not at all "shake up the meta".
    The comment at 4:45 is bizarre to me because it seems that it _IS_ exclusively casual players who are pushing for these changes, and competitive players have never cared beyond the scope of comp. It says a lot that I've only heard this sentiment from casual players.

  • @bk4158
    @bk4158 18 днів тому

    I play tf 2 since 2020 and this is my opinion:
    Scout: Two primaries, a lot of his secondaries are pretty bad, atomizer is the only good melee.
    Soldier: Three or four primaries, very good secondaries and melees, some weapons needs buff, for example buff banner need a passive buff but he have a very good weapons variaty.
    Pyro: Please buff jetpack and backburner, mannmelter, reserve shooter and gaspasser too, the rest is fine.
    Demonman: Please buff claidemor, is the only sword viable for hybridknigth but I don't undestand why this thing have 15% of vulnerability, and demoman have one lodaut, the others grenade launchers and sticky launchers need buffs.
    Heavy: two launch box items maybe coluld have a rework, and he have two miniguns or maybe three, he need more weapons in general because the lack of playsyles.
    Engineer: buff short circuit, eureka effect and phomsom 3000, he have a lack of secondaries in general.
    Medic: buff syringe guns, buff quick fix.
    Sniper: His more fun primaries don' t feel very good but he have three good options, sniper have the most bored secondaries in the game, the only fun is jarate because cleaners carabine is very bad (but smg is good), sniper only have two melees.
    Spy: Knifes are very good exept for yer, revolvers are good too exept enforcer, but he only have one watch, I know that before death ringer are very good but today stock outclass it completely because you don't refill it with ammo packs.

  • @or6060
    @or6060 Місяць тому +5

    but what about old dragon's fury? it's so fucking jank now

    • @FreakyHimmel
      @FreakyHimmel Місяць тому +4

      @@or6060 how so? Feels fine to me. It does decent burst, and has a surprisingly good afterburn, and gets faster the better you aim with it. It inherently rewards skill, I think it's a great weapon. The only problem is the airblast killing off your speed but it's not meant for airblast use anyways.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому

      ​@@FreakyHimmelSoldier does much more just by shooting the floor, and has more range.
      But Pyro has to apply much more skill into precise hits even at close range, which DF should excel? Seems about right I guess👍

    • @FreakyHimmel
      @FreakyHimmel Місяць тому +3

      @@FakeCoconut-v7o soldier does anywhere from 40-70ish damage off floor, the base damage of the dragons fury is 75 and does afterburn, you can kill and escape a soldier, but if you kill the pyro you still have a chance of death after the fact.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому

      @FreakyHimmel he does it without any effort, while Pyro has to track and apply such effort: not only if he misses his firing rate decreases, but if he mistimes M2 he is practically left without his primary.
      And why do you account only DF's base damage and not Soldier's?
      DF still falls of to 69 at distance while Soldier's damage is around 80-90 at the distance DF is effective - Soldier is still has an advantage. He still can two-shot Pyro without any effort while Pyro has to track and aim with the centre of this small projectile, starting with -25-30 of initial hit and then do 2-3 more combo hits.
      DF's afterburn is pathetic and non-lethal, unlike say Scorch Shot, and lasts only 2 seconds.
      If you haven't played with DF, don't even say anything.

    • @or6060
      @or6060 Місяць тому +1

      @@FreakyHimmel hitting the "center" of the fireball is just bad conceptually and adds to how inconsistent the gun is.

  • @SplatastictheRealOne
    @SplatastictheRealOne 29 днів тому

    i find it funny that people have complained about these side grades which make your experience more goofy and fun to play with, also don't complain about "Trolldier" Trimping on Demoknight (which is a bug btw) Bash people for using The Direct Hit, which rewards you for being accurate in the first place and proceed to have the Bison nerfed to suck. etc.
    but you can't tell me The Iron Bomber the once bugged weapon is more viable for fun than the old Base Jumper or puff and sting on pyro?
    Hell I even miss the Vanilla Sandman stun effect + Cleaver combo for scout which was rewarding for the player for again being accurate.
    But ahh no we can't even allow players who get the drop on another with the heavy's Holiday punch get an earned Taunt kill either so (presses Kill bind cause mad they got hit in the back with it.)
    gru was fun at the last iteration and so too was the eviction notice.
    Funny how the one game meant to be silly, cartoony, and fun is now losing that identity and going back to a dumb version of TF1.

  • @XXVII_The27th
    @XXVII_The27th 20 днів тому

    the mafia son is speaking

  • @mr.gockderdudel9274
    @mr.gockderdudel9274 Місяць тому +4

    This video remains me of taht one time wher some cry baby complained over me using stocke weponds he said and I qout you got no skill stock is overpowered it has no down sides and is just over powered if taht doesn't show the level of cope I don't know waht will

  • @nyxo7
    @nyxo7 Місяць тому +4

    Nerfing weapons is never a problem. The way they are nerfed, the way Valve nerfed weapons is a problem, you can do good nerfs that doesn't make the weapons unusable, valve mostly can't
    Also if you think scorch shot is the only one good secondary on pyro it shows you barely know anything about ballance or any skill expression in this game
    Detonator was confirmed to be straight up better then scorch shot, dealing more damage throughout the whole game
    Flare gun is one of the most fun and rewarding weapons out there. The problem with scorch shot is that weapon takes almost no skill is very spammy which wouldn't be a problem cuz detonator also can be spammy, but the problem was always the stunlock this weapon gaves for free which results in undeserved kills

    • @weed75black35
      @weed75black35 Місяць тому +2

      He rates weapons based on how fun they are to use, not how skill-based or how meta they are. Consistently hitting 10 splash damage scorch shots feels better than missing 9 flares but hitting 1 insane airshot out of nowhere.

    • @Slanik_Bab
      @Slanik_Bab Місяць тому +2

      ​@@weed75black35 being meta is kinda about consistency tho

    • @weed75black35
      @weed75black35 Місяць тому

      @@Slanik_Bab maybe he has a hitscan bias.

    • @rightbehindyou9398
      @rightbehindyou9398 Місяць тому

      @@Slanik_Bab who cares about consistency this game is ridiculous AND IT SHOULD BE EMBRACED

    • @Slanik_Bab
      @Slanik_Bab Місяць тому

      @@rightbehindyou9398 that's a question to the guy i answered to, i guess

  • @Sharker-j9n
    @Sharker-j9n Місяць тому +1

    You should talk about how people moan about stalemates next.
    Compies complain all the time about them despite stalemates being a skill based thing you gotta coordinate and push into. It's wierd because it just sounds like people that hate stalemates just want a flat boring progression match wthout any challenge or opposition from the enemies

  • @clowno4206
    @clowno4206 Місяць тому

    0:48 gamer moment (in chat)

  • @ZoveXEdits
    @ZoveXEdits Місяць тому

    0:07 Hol' up... RANDOM CRITS on the FLYING GUILLOTINE????

    • @GODber777
      @GODber777  Місяць тому

      that crit ain't random BOY

    • @ZoveXEdits
      @ZoveXEdits Місяць тому

      ​@@GODber777Weird. I don't remember situational crits on the Flying Guillotine after Junge Inferno

    • @baublesss
      @baublesss 5 днів тому

      does he know?

    • @ZoveXEdits
      @ZoveXEdits 5 днів тому

      @baubles-bj2cs No

    • @baublesss
      @baublesss 4 дні тому

      @@ZoveXEdits guillotine crits stunned players

  • @francis-x1y
    @francis-x1y Місяць тому

    the Robertogonzalez2014 plot continues

  • @josephs.3372
    @josephs.3372 Місяць тому +12

    Sand Man has no counter play. Puff n Shoot has no counter play. Bro is yapping about wanting guns buffed and using the same 3 weapons ALL VIDEO LONG and absolutely melting people with the same combo every fight. I get where you're coming from, but I'm not on board as hard as you are
    I really appreciate the "discount quake with Uber" dig. That's right on the money.
    Hilarious to me that Scholar lit you on fire in that comment, because he's absolutely right most of the time. You sound bitter and nerdy about that. At the end of the day we have to Get Good. that means adapting. that also means finding your own way to have fun. A microscopic TTK does not directly lead to more fun unless you're tweaking for dopamine.

    • @andriaabashidze2497
      @andriaabashidze2497 Місяць тому +8

      i think he just sucks honestly (which is ok) but the whole "people blame the weapons instead of themselves" argument applies to him too, but instead of blaming the opponents weapons for being too good he's blaming his weapons for being too bad

    • @weed75black35
      @weed75black35 Місяць тому +5

      he probably thinks it's balanced because you have to aim

    • @josephs.3372
      @josephs.3372 Місяць тому +7

      @@andriaabashidze2497 On the money. At the end of the video it came off like he was just talking about himself.

    • @therustedshank9995
      @therustedshank9995 Місяць тому +1

      >because he's absolutely right most of the time
      Le e-celeb meat jockeys have arrived

    • @moogobIin
      @moogobIin Місяць тому +3

      "Puff n Shoot has no counterplay" the pyro who deliberately cut himself off from the higher skill ceiling, higher range flare guns when I look around and have awareness

  • @TheSquareEngineer
    @TheSquareEngineer Місяць тому

    I hope that the Dead Ringer wasn't reversed, also, does anyone remenber the "you jump, get minicrited" from the Reserve Shooter?

  • @themagnificentmrmcgee
    @themagnificentmrmcgee Місяць тому

    Oh wow I can see myself in some of these clips, tis a fun server

  • @kezif
    @kezif Місяць тому +2

    Yea, castaway is great this buffs are great, overall nerfing weapons is not fun. By the way what about weapons like sydney sleeper and vacc on castaway?

  • @DoktorVicTim
    @DoktorVicTim Місяць тому

    Does the Black Box give +15HP on hit per enemy still in this?
    Personalyl I don't understand how anyone could complain about that Black Box was still bad then and it's even worse now. That missing 4th rocket is quite a big deal.

  • @LeanestBeef
    @LeanestBeef Місяць тому

    I think the panic attack was destroyed its pretty much just another bland shotgun now

  • @mrlampy
    @mrlampy Місяць тому +3

    I can definitely agree that a lot of weapons got unfairly nerfed because of silly excuses, but some of the things people talk about are pretty fair.
    For instance, I don’t think sniper is actually overpowered (far from it in fact) but he’s not fun to fight against. Rather than being able to directly challenge him you have to dance around his crosshair to avoid getting shot, and for the most part that’s all you can do. If his rifles were to be tweaked in a way that made higher damage require more risky or careful play that would make him a lot more interesting to both play and fight all around, because for the most part, snipers can just rack up kills and top-score for free. As an example for a change I’d make, the bazaar bargain could keep it’s head collecting mechanic but it could lose the ability to scope so those headshots are harder to hit from a distance

  • @ringoreddo308
    @ringoreddo308 Місяць тому +12

    Stunning an enemy to then deal a fuck-ton of damage is Overwatch shit.
    They should buff the sand-man, but a stun is pure cancer.

    • @energeticyellow1637
      @energeticyellow1637 Місяць тому +4

      >overwatch invented stuns
      öÖö

    • @ShotaBackshots
      @ShotaBackshots Місяць тому +9

      Overwatch release date: 2016
      The Sandman was added to TF2 in 2009

    • @ringoreddo308
      @ringoreddo308 Місяць тому +2

      Since you two morons don't know how to read or went for the stupidest interpretation, I'll explain what I mean: It doesn't matter who did it first, I'm talking about Overwatch's stun spam. The hability to completely disarm your enemy should not exist in this kind of game because it's not a MOBA nor a COD clone.

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому +2

      "Stuns don't belong to TF2"- take is kinda bullshit.
      Scout has only 110hp with this thing and has only one try. Missing with sandman, which is slow projectile, that is slower than even Flare Gun or Direct Hit, severely punishes him.
      Just get better at movement.

    • @cralo2569
      @cralo2569 Місяць тому

      @@FakeCoconut-v7o you forget the scout can easily run away after taking their chance on a complete stun, the other class doesn't have much counterplay when they are slower, besides hoping the scout misses otherwise they can't do anything and it's not a fun mechanic

  • @altaccaltacc7652
    @altaccaltacc7652 Місяць тому

    Heya, i heard people complaining about the diamondback. But i heard it may have a connection with the ambassador nerf. Can you make a video about it?

    • @pawa10zip
      @pawa10zip 23 дні тому

      Hey alty can I get a pie of dat slop?

  • @frozenfox96
    @frozenfox96 Місяць тому +2

    Buff The Classic

  • @bluemoon-q2g
    @bluemoon-q2g Місяць тому +3

    7:00 this guys in the chat are speaking facts

  • @Chipped2th
    @Chipped2th Місяць тому

    I plan on making a video on my experience in your servers (I'm Zack) So far Gabber although I don't necessarily agree with everything you say, you've absolutely hit the nail on the horrid state of weapon balancing.
    The degreaser was king shit, it allowed the close range damage to actually do good fucking damage up close thanks to the combo potential with all the flare guns, shotguns and the axtinguisher. The current one is just wayyy too weak because woopy-kai-yay, it's combo potential was nerfed into the ground meaning Pyro's overall damage went along with it, killing all forms of skill expression and just making you way weaker than you should be. Not even accounting for what happened to the axtinguisher.
    also, Spy being able to actually use the ambassador gives him variety, who would've thought!? It made a linear playstyle of going around stabbing people and cloaking away afterwards more exciting by offering you the abiltiy to be more of an all-rounder at the cost of ease of access (You can take on a soldier in a 1v1 but at the cost of losing the easiness of firing the stock revolver and instead having to hone the ability to headshot.)
    These are just two weapons I can name off the top of my head that are far more exciting and fun to use that otherwise kills the staleness of the game. Yes, stock should always be the most reliable weapons but it shouldn't mean that alternatives should be shit at all times except for niche scenarios, it should mean they sacrifice it's reliability for another strength (Direct hit is a perfect example.) Gonna stop typing before this becomes an overloaded essay lol.

    • @GODber777
      @GODber777  25 днів тому +1

      "I don't necessarily agree with everything you say"
      KID... How FUCKING dare you

  • @rudolph2937
    @rudolph2937 23 дні тому

    The Scorch Shot is a curious case because people get irrationaly angry and offended at someone using it, more so than any other weapon. It seems like it's more of a social contract where everyone agreed not to use it, rather than any tangible in-game impact of the weapon.
    It's always the *soldier* mains crying about the Scorch Shot for being a projectile with knock-back, not realising that their own rocket launcher is exactly that except 10x stronger. Do they have any self-awarerness? Are soldier mains even sentient?

  • @snowmaske
    @snowmaske Місяць тому +1

    26:58 Is that Cobson

  • @Goblinoid-o
    @Goblinoid-o Місяць тому +3

    Nerf spy!!!!!1!1!!1!!!!1!!1!1!1!!!!1!1!!1

  • @TwistedFireX
    @TwistedFireX Місяць тому +6

    Another Gabber yapsterpiece, excellent,

  • @FrancisL4D
    @FrancisL4D Місяць тому +12

    "Nerf demo! He is too overpowered!"
    -2007-2013
    "Nerf pyro he is too overpowered!"
    -2014-2017
    "Nerf sniper he is too overpowered!" (Most deserved)
    -2020-present

    • @Nibelungenwarmongers
      @Nibelungenwarmongers Місяць тому +14

      @@FrancisL4D >all sniper counters being nerfed to shit
      >Somehow there's no more effective counterplays to sniper
      >Now we need to nerf sniper too

    • @Bluestlark
      @Bluestlark Місяць тому +2

      In all fairness, demo is still a bit overpowered even most comp players think of him like that, but not invincible, someone is eventually gonna get to 'im.
      Sniper however... I don't think he should be headshotting or critting me with the knife with anyone close enough to punish him in "his weakest range"

    • @rightbehindyou9398
      @rightbehindyou9398 Місяць тому +4

      Nah you lost me with that "most deserved" part

    • @jblazerndrowzy
      @jblazerndrowzy Місяць тому

      Yeah you had me with that "most deserved" part

    • @FakeCoconut-v7o
      @FakeCoconut-v7o Місяць тому

      Soldier will be the next one if Sniper *does* get nerfed.
      This class will quickly get too oppressive in casual setting.

  • @tomas6621
    @tomas6621 Місяць тому +3

    15:27 There is definityvly more.
    The sniper nerf was popularized by zesty.
    I can't take you seriosly.

    • @yungbushwookie6832
      @yungbushwookie6832 Місяць тому

      Such as? Maybe the Ubersaw and...?

    • @tomas6621
      @tomas6621 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@yungbushwookie6832Diamondback,Kunai and Dead Ringer combined,...
      Sayng there are no ovrtuned wepons is the game is just stupid. Also Dragon's Fury is fine it is not uderpowerd.
      He is also portraing everyone who thinks the game shud be balanced diferently like buntch of idiots who ague about the remaining weapons.

    • @josephs.3372
      @josephs.3372 Місяць тому +1

      @@yungbushwookie6832 literally any of soldier's backpacks. oh nooo i lost my shotgun :( or my gunboats :( meanwhile Heavy is locked to two versions of self heal since 2012

    • @drivanradosivic1357
      @drivanradosivic1357 Місяць тому

      @@tomas6621 Diamondback fixes, first the Amby range for crit shots should have "crits up to a certain range, then minicrits after that" and share it with the Diamondback. Next, the diamondback gets a "when disguised, do not use crit shots" to allow the Diamondback as the more defined "this is a Gun spy weapon for when you are found out and/or need a boost to taking out foes" sort of revolver now.
      Kunai is a "when you do badly it is bad, when you do good it is good" sort of weapon. I don't know what to do with it.
      Dead ringer, is it lright now or not?

    • @yungbushwookie6832
      @yungbushwookie6832 Місяць тому +3

      @@tomas6621 Kunai and dead ringer aren't overpowered. You and your team suck fighting against it. Why should the diamondback be nerfed? There's other weapons in the game that grant guaranteed crits. Why wouldn't you mention the Frontier Justice then? Perhaps there's a pattern of you being shit against Spy, so you want to disarm him.

  • @KaygeeFromNanotrasen
    @KaygeeFromNanotrasen Місяць тому +1

    anotha Gabba Xlassic