We Turned a Free Hurricane Flooded Generator into a Go Kart (Mobile Welding Station!)

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    We're always breaking our go karts and mini bikes in inconvenient locations, so why not bring the welder to the broken go kart? In today's video, we attempt to turn a hurricane flooded generator into a rideable go kart that can be used as a recovery vehicle and mobile power station, using a 120v AC electric motor to drive the generator.
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  • @CarsandCameras
    @CarsandCameras  4 місяці тому +25

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    • @tstricklin4808
      @tstricklin4808 4 місяці тому +3

      Wouldn't a dimmer switch provide variable voltage to motor

    • @dbomber69
      @dbomber69 4 місяці тому +1

      Just go to the nearest thrift store and look for an old electric sewing machine and use the pedal from that for a throttle.

    • @shythawks9549
      @shythawks9549 4 місяці тому

      @@tstricklin4808you read my mind haha

    • @TerrorTubbie666
      @TerrorTubbie666 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@dbomber69better use that sewingmachinemotor too then.
      Connecting a (much) bigger motor to that pedal will just make it smoke (and burn).

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому

      @@tstricklin4808 No, or not really, a dimmer switch, aka a TRIAC, cuts off the leading portion of the AC waveform, which causes worse and worse jolts to the motor and will eventually just kill the motor. A Variac is what can provide variable voltage, its kind of in the name, Variac, Vari-AC, Variable AC, its a generic trade name for what is called a "variable autotransformer" and they have been used for decades to vary the voltage of AC devices and it also acts as a half-decent isolation transformer by nature. Add in a polarity switch between the Variac and the motor and you can go forward and backward.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

  • @RadicalLinguisticDescriptivism
    @RadicalLinguisticDescriptivism 4 місяці тому +164

    A rusted flooded out generator, a pile of parts from the parts bin, a few bells and whistles from Go Power Sports and an "It'll be fine!" attitude... man I love this channel. Hope you guys have a fun holiday!

    • @fortyfukinseven
      @fortyfukinseven 4 місяці тому +1

      Pshhhh, you seen these guys do their thing? It'll Be Fine! Just like you said!

    • @JB_Lego
      @JB_Lego 4 місяці тому

      fr

    • @milwaukeebrewcrew484
      @milwaukeebrewcrew484 4 місяці тому +2

      Wish my “parts bin” looked anything near what theirs does…
      Just wheels alone are a pain in the ass to come across now days

  • @RailManSD
    @RailManSD 4 місяці тому +29

    This is actually a super cool idea/concept gentlemen! As both an Electrical & Locomotive Engineer, I can tell you there's 2 options to do this correctly:
    A.) Use a single phase 240V in 3 Phase out VFD rated at the max continuous power (Watts) of your generator, with a 3 phase Syncronous motor rated at or more than the Peak Watt output of your VFD/Generator.
    B.) Remove the governor from the generator & throttle it like a gas drivetrain, which then converts your generator from 60hz fixed frequency to a variable frequency output. You would then remove & bypass the starting capacitors on that first motor you had. This would truly make it like a locomotive, albeit a VERY old school tech one (40-50s era Diesel-Electric Loco).

    • @RailManSD
      @RailManSD 4 місяці тому +2

      The thing with option B is you can't truly come down to 0RPM, as gas engines typically have an idle, so stopping completely wouldn't be possible. So you could either use a big contactor & switch as a sort of 'electrical clutch', or more interestingly wire the accelerator like a gas golf cart where it acts as a starter switch/kill switch built in to the throttle.

    • @RailManSD
      @RailManSD 4 місяці тому +5

      Another way to think of it is the motor acts as an 'electromagnetic transmission' to the gen motor.

    • @RailManSD
      @RailManSD 2 місяці тому

      ^^Correction to my above reply to my comment (I don't like editing my comments):
      I meant to say a way to think about it is the gen alternator + drive motor ('traction motor' more correctly) combo is like an 'electromagnetic torque converter single speed transmission' in line to the gen engine. This means the difference between motors' winding turn counts change the 'electromagnetic gear ratio' (properly referred to as "slip" in electric motor terminology)

  • @jmrides777
    @jmrides777 4 місяці тому +105

    I think you guys are on to something here.....Drag Race Generators..........it's got a nice ring to it!

  • @offshack
    @offshack 4 місяці тому +149

    You need a 208V 3HP 3 phase motor with a 240V 1phase input to 208V 3 phase Variable frequency drive, use a potentiometer to control the frequency of the VFD, you'll have full torque, reverse, and can go from 0 to about 5000RPM on a 3600RPM 2 pole motor.

    • @puskunk
      @puskunk 4 місяці тому

      This is the correct answer. Used to do this for motors that we needed to ramp up slowly.

    • @Buck1954
      @Buck1954 4 місяці тому +5

      Bingo!

    • @VintageTexas59
      @VintageTexas59 4 місяці тому +2

      This !!!

    • @TheEricstaehlin321
      @TheEricstaehlin321 4 місяці тому +5

      Then you'll need a better generator

    • @pepethefrog7193
      @pepethefrog7193 4 місяці тому +8

      I bet that exceeds their electrical expertise and budget. But yes, you are right.

  • @OldGreyBeard57
    @OldGreyBeard57 4 місяці тому +49

    Being a retired senior electronics tech for over 40 years all I have to say is AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!

    • @Brrrap743
      @Brrrap743 4 місяці тому +6

      @@OldGreyBeard57 I'll second that

    • @N1RKW
      @N1RKW 4 місяці тому +6

      It's a real cringe fest, that's for sure!

    • @deusexmachinareznov4975
      @deusexmachinareznov4975 4 місяці тому +3

      When I read your comment I heard the screaming scientist voices from half-life.

  • @CarsandCameras
    @CarsandCameras  4 місяці тому +58

    Always a good time working on a budget build!

    • @scubba3133
      @scubba3133 4 місяці тому +2

      Next use a starter motor

    • @Brrrap743
      @Brrrap743 4 місяці тому

      Use a VfD.

    • @shtrzrus
      @shtrzrus 4 місяці тому +1

      FJB

    • @hunterrrwlodarczyk476
      @hunterrrwlodarczyk476 4 місяці тому +2

      Use a 240 dimmer switch for a throttle

    • @squawk3120
      @squawk3120 4 місяці тому

      Dont give up on this. It’d be sweet in the pits.

  • @tylernix5709
    @tylernix5709 4 місяці тому +175

    Use a 240 sliding dimmer light switch, can use 2 springs 1 on each side on 1 side, and a throttle cable on the other side. That way you can actually have a working "throttle" lmao

    • @chriswright6068
      @chriswright6068 4 місяці тому +48

      That wouldn't work, you need to vary the frequency to change the speed of an ac motor. Reducing voltage or using a triac dimmer will only cause increased amp draw and component damage

    • @jeremyhanna3852
      @jeremyhanna3852 4 місяці тому +3

      That blue car in the back ground put this setup in for drive train

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +17

      No no no, never throttle an AC motor under a high stall load like a go-kart or an industrial machine with a TRIAC dimmer, that murders the motor from the 60hz walls of voltage slamming into the windings. Its already a boat with the heavy generator, why not go elegant and use a Variac? As a variable transformer it varies the voltage itself, many consumer units can go from 0 to 250 volts and cost about 200 bucks for a 5kVA Variac, plenty enough power to handle this motor and generator. And also, as a big and heavy transformer, they tend to be immortal. I still have an old like 10 to 140 volt Variac that's older than my dad, and it still works flawlessly, the adjustment knob turns smoothly and precisely, and the geared stainless steel display dial rotates smoothly and still correlates very closely to the actual output voltage.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

    • @Fr3nchFR135
      @Fr3nchFR135 4 місяці тому

      @@Avetho 38:50 This came out of a large fan

    • @Falney
      @Falney 4 місяці тому +4

      I very much doubt that they would find a dimmer switch rated to 4kw

  • @QuantumLeap83
    @QuantumLeap83 4 місяці тому +20

    1 hp is 746 watts so if you know a hp rating for a motor you can calculate generator power that way. Watts = amps x volts so if you have an amperage rating instead of hp rating you can use that. Its way simpler than a lot of people think. Just be mindful of peak watt rating vs continuous.
    On a 3500 watt generator you only have 15 amps available at 220V. A 5 hp motor will draw 17 amps. A 3 hp motor fed the proper amperage (10.2A) will make 3 hp. A 5 hp motor that is demanding more than the generator has will choke the generator down, and it will only make a few amps at best. Thats why the (I'm assuming 3hp) lathe motor is "more powerful" than the 5hp when properly matched with the correct current.
    The "30 Amp" plug on that gennie is just meant to match to a 30 amp RV circuit, so is labelled that. It can't give you 30 amps at 220. Most of those plugs are 110/220 and a smaller gennie like that will only keep up with three 110 outlets.

  • @mfree80286
    @mfree80286 4 місяці тому +21

    Regarding dimmers: These are synchronous motors, they will only ever operate at a speed that's determined by the frequency of the power source. Since that's 60hz, that's what you get. It's single speed, on-off. Dimmers aren't going to do anything but burn out.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому

      That is an excellent point, I forgot to take that into account.

    • @wisecampmotorcycles8258
      @wisecampmotorcycles8258 4 місяці тому

      What about a voltage controller, like a fan speed controller, would that work?

    • @mfree80286
      @mfree80286 4 місяці тому +7

      @@wisecampmotorcycles8258 No, you *have* to change the frequency to alter the running speed.
      You can drop voltage and make a synchronous motor drag slightly, but it gets extremely hot doing so and will stall in a heartbeat. All you're doing is making the motor draw more amperage until it can't, which is how copper turns to smoke.

    • @Brrrap743
      @Brrrap743 4 місяці тому

      @@mfree80286 correct the only way to change the speed would be to use a vfd

  • @jhaedtler
    @jhaedtler 4 місяці тому +3

    Reminds me of my first scooter. I talked a neighbour out of it and nothing worked on it. Even the tires were flat. I got the tires patched enough! Had no engine. So I took the electric motor off my Dad's bench grinder and nailed to the scooter. I plugged in an extension cord and went flying down the drive till I ran out of cord! I lived on a circle. I borrowed as many extension cords from my neighbors as I could get and I made it almost all the way around the circle till I unplugged myself! I had a blast on that thing. Not bad for a 6 year old! I'm now 72 and not much has changed!

  • @jonathancrissinger2301
    @jonathancrissinger2301 4 місяці тому +5

    I think with a little more thought and a lawnmower rear-end, you could a great machine. A hydro rear-end would be the best. That would give the gear reduction and reverse as well. This has inspired me so much, I am going to try to build one myself. Have a great 4th and I'll see you later.

  • @Socoolds455
    @Socoolds455 4 місяці тому +1

    I've got to say, as a railroader, I'm impressed that Ike understands how modern "Diesel-Electric" locomotives operate. Bravo! Great video BTW!

  • @cliffpalermo
    @cliffpalermo 4 місяці тому +12

    It's a hybrid! Back to the roots loving it 😂

    • @mrrooter601
      @mrrooter601 4 місяці тому +1

      ive missed videos like this

  • @scottdavis9442
    @scottdavis9442 4 місяці тому +16

    Adding a 3 phase motor and a vfd would give you more control.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +1

      Or a simple Variac between the motor and generator, and a polarity switch between the Variac and the motor. There's the throttle and the gear selector! Glad you didn't say TRIAC, lots of people don't realize that TRIAC dimmers kill these kinds of motors, they chop off the leading portion of the waveform, light bulbs handle that no problem but a high stall load on a motor makes the motor jerk worse and worse the lower you go in speed until they destroy themselves. You _can_ dim a fan, well _kind of_ at least, but it whines a lot and gets louder the lower you go as you hear the 60hz buzz and the higher order harmonics.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

    • @mihkus
      @mihkus 4 місяці тому

      1 phase universal motor with triac would be way better bc it would be more efficient

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +2

      @@mihkus It would be less efficient, but far cheaper. A VFD can control a synchronous motor like this one, because its in the name, Variable-Frequency Drive, as those motors determine their RPM as a multiple of line frequency. VFDs are also expensive, so using an induction motor with a Variac transformer would be optimal, control RPM by controlling torque, and control torque by controlling the voltage of the smooth 60Hz sine wave. But if you use a TRIAC on an induction motor, you'll kill the motor, those control the RMS by chopping the front of the waves off by only conducting at a certain variable threshold and that basically slams the square-wave-like front of suddenly-high-voltage into a device designed to take a smooth sine wave and nothing but.

    • @SimonRiley115
      @SimonRiley115 4 місяці тому

      Or at least a potentiometer

    • @scottdavis9442
      @scottdavis9442 4 місяці тому +1

      @@SimonRiley115 that will not work

  • @boa2143658709
    @boa2143658709 4 місяці тому +13

    Switch to a dimmer switch guys, keep the spring loaded return but use a dimmer switch so you can get half throttle when needed. If you put in a reverse polarity switch after the dimmer you can cut throttle flip the other switch and now you have reverse.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +3

      The reverse polarity is a wonderful idea, the dimmer... not so much. A TRIAC will wreak merry hell on the motor and eventually kill it, a Variac instead alters the voltage rather than chopping off the leading edge of the waveform, so put the Variac right off the generator, then the polarity switch off the Variac's output to the motor, that way the Variac stays energized and you only swap the polarity so it can go full throttle forward or backwards. Transformers don't particularly enjoy being turned on and off often, but if you treat them right, they're essentially immortal. Or, so long as they're made well, like old American transformers.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

  • @glencalhoun9544
    @glencalhoun9544 4 місяці тому

    Y'all DEF NEED to keep this project going!!! It's Absolutely Great!!! Tell Charles We Miss Him and Hope He Is Doing Amazingly Well!!! Have a Blessed Day Today and Everyday!!!

  • @Snake.br549
    @Snake.br549 4 місяці тому +3

    This was hilarious back in the day we had a Go-Kart with the motor on hinges you sat in it moved the Handle which moved the engine which tightened the belt but if the belt popped off going down the road the spark plug would get you right in the back we used to put people on it and watch them get shocked and laugh our ass off !

  • @amccomie
    @amccomie 4 місяці тому +1

    Inverter, 2 motors for a E bike , brakes, larger tyres, hitch & trailer for equipment.
    C & C you don't disappoint 😂❤ im expecting a part 2.

  • @elijahsalazar7770
    @elijahsalazar7770 4 місяці тому +12

    “Does it need lube?” 😂😂

  • @jimmywilson2188
    @jimmywilson2188 4 місяці тому +1

    Loved the idea guys! You all inspired me to think outside the box again. And I have a few new ideas myself. Thank you all for your time and creativity!

  • @bigtsperspective5831
    @bigtsperspective5831 4 місяці тому +3

    British to southerner to welding… 🤣😂🤣. You two are an Odd couple indeed . Absolutely brilliant my good gentleman ❤🔧🔧😎

  • @orionbennett776
    @orionbennett776 4 місяці тому +1

    regarding the A/C motor ... on / off. Years ago, a friend of mine and I built an electric go cart (we are talking the 1960's here). We got a 12v battery, a transformer to convert 12v DC to 110v AC ... and a thing called a rheostat ... which basically controlled the amount of volts the motor would require. We used an evaporative home cooler motor ... and got it to work. Though gearing was our problem, not a lot of gears available for a cooler motor ... we had belt drive, and there was too much slippage or we would burn up a car V belt, in about 30 seconds ... I think the most it moved was about to the end of a short driveway. But the rheostat worked pretty well.

  • @danieljonhson6367
    @danieljonhson6367 4 місяці тому +8

    I was a generator mechanic in the army , so I would fix it, even though the go-kart idea is great 😂

  • @adrianburkholder5730
    @adrianburkholder5730 4 місяці тому +16

    Some motors can be rewired in the pecker head for dual voltage 120/240 volt. FYI pecker head is the box on the motor where the wires are attached. Yes that's the name for it. Lol. See if you can rewire that and run the motor on 240 volts. May help with horse powers. There's a diagram on the cover to wire both ways. Google it if need be.

    • @RandomZ88
      @RandomZ88 4 місяці тому +2

      being that it is a 5hp ac motor it should only be 240v unless it is a specialty motor for a specific task that can needs to be 120v. 5hp= 3730w / 120 = 31.08amp.

    • @marzsit9833
      @marzsit9833 4 місяці тому

      yes that's what journey-level union morons call it. i have zero respect for those a$$holes.

    • @theodorgiosan2570
      @theodorgiosan2570 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@RandomZ88I had a 5hp dual voltage motor on my compressor before the current 3 phase motor and VFD. They do exist especially the cheap Chinese made ones.

    • @RandomZ88
      @RandomZ88 4 місяці тому

      @@theodorgiosan2570 I did say specific tasks.

  • @shk2564
    @shk2564 4 місяці тому +4

    I’m not sure what is worse… the acting or the idea! 😂
    But John’s accent makes up for it all! 😆

  • @jcondon1
    @jcondon1 4 місяці тому

    Great build. On a 120/240 generator there are two 120v legs. Each one is half the total wattage. So if your generator is rated at 3000 watts, then it’s 1500 watts on each 120v leg. 1500 watts is the max single 120v load. Not enough to run the original motor. There is also a surge to deal with. A 120v only generator probably would have likely worked since the legs are running in parallel and you would have had access to all the watts. Also a 240v motor would have been able to access all the watts on this generator.

  • @MultiKelly85
    @MultiKelly85 4 місяці тому +5

    I'll be the first to say " this sucks, they ain't working on the dragster this week". Instead they are doing a generator go kart. "I AM SORRY I WAS WRONG"! I never laughed so hard at CarsandCamers. Ike bailing on the go kart and John talking 1880 western so flawless! I'm still laughing! HATS OFF TO YOU BOYS!!!

  • @stephenlapek7547
    @stephenlapek7547 4 місяці тому +2

    This is the kind of sketchy entertainment I started watching y'all for. Love it!!!!

  • @WBatte1
    @WBatte1 4 місяці тому +4

    The difference between a motor and an engine is more semantics than equipment. It is due to the fact that modern English is assembled from parts from other languages. An engine uses energy to generate force. A motor is a device that creates motion.

    • @Brrrap743
      @Brrrap743 4 місяці тому

      @@WBatte1 an engine is something that has internal combustion creating power as were a motor is a rotational device pushed by current.

    • @WBatte1
      @WBatte1 3 місяці тому

      @@Brrrap743 not true. This is just a concept that some people have adopted. An engine is a machine or device that uses energy to generate force. A motor is a machine or device that creates motion.

  • @BWAGG1990
    @BWAGG1990 4 місяці тому

    I know a guy that made one and it worked very well, he had a heavy generator and a lawn mower with a bad motor, he took the hood and motor off and put the generator there and hooked and electric motor up to the hydrostat trans. Worked beautifully.

  • @tobygarrett7092
    @tobygarrett7092 4 місяці тому +6

    🗣️: HEY BRO I THINK SOMEONES TRAILER JUST GOT STOLEN
    ME: nahh that’s just cars and cameras drivin by😂

  • @jstephenallington8431
    @jstephenallington8431 4 місяці тому +1

    Definitely need a part two, using a DC "engine" (yes, it can still be considered as an "engine") for a proper attempt. I can't wait for your next video!

  • @miketriesmotorsports6080
    @miketriesmotorsports6080 4 місяці тому +11

    Boys, I think you just need a variac. Don't you have one hooked up to the lathe? Change the frequency, change the motor speed.

    • @Sp00ns655
      @Sp00ns655 4 місяці тому

      Iv tried this before and the motor kept going into some protection mode and really didn’t like it

    • @marzsit9833
      @marzsit9833 4 місяці тому +3

      a variac controls voltage, which won't work for speed control on an ac induction motor.

    • @AlexanderBurgers
      @AlexanderBurgers 4 місяці тому +4

      You say variac but mean a VFD. Those are 2 very different things.

  • @lilguilty
    @lilguilty 4 місяці тому +2

    THIS IS WHAT CARS AND CAMERAS IS ALL ABOUT!!! I LOVE IT!!!

  • @ThirstyFoe00
    @ThirstyFoe00 4 місяці тому +3

    This is great 😂 GOLDEN idea 👏

  • @IngenTechNational
    @IngenTechNational 4 місяці тому +1

    It's also like the Warped Perception Tesla!

  • @DerrickRembert
    @DerrickRembert 4 місяці тому +5

    What happened to Charles

  • @musicauthority674
    @musicauthority674 4 місяці тому +1

    Caster also makes the steering wheel return to the center, after taking a corner.
    It's actually a hybrid.
    the clutching set up is very similar to what was used on a model T Ford. where a person pushes the clutch pedal down to move forward. and the throttle is on the steering column. and the gas engine normally is set at a pre chosen RPM. and the clutch is basically a slipper clutch. that controls the speed of the vehicle.
    the electric motor that you guys had. was probably a two speed motor that has a centrifically controlled by a switch in it the motor. because it takes a lot of current to start the motor. so the motor starts at one speed and switches to the other speed after the initial load is gone.
    John riding it side saddle was hilarious. LOL.

  • @shiftlifegarage3284
    @shiftlifegarage3284 4 місяці тому +5

    Awesome work get a house dimmer switch u can control the power input to the motor as u turn it

  • @j.w.3345
    @j.w.3345 4 місяці тому +1

    Don't give up on it! Still a good idea. Just put a predator 212 gas engine on the back. Maybe a torque converter. A lawn tractor seat with springs. Small trailer to carry the welder. You could still get out on the trail to do repairs. You know you want to build it, we definitely want to see it!

    • @theodorgiosan2570
      @theodorgiosan2570 4 місяці тому

      Or a 1a08 or 2a016 tiny military single or twin cylinder gas engine. Would fit on the plate where the electric motor went. Not the highest HP engines in the world but adequate enough for this application.

  • @BUILDNIGHT
    @BUILDNIGHT 4 місяці тому +6

    You should wire in a Light DIMMER knob switch to use as a throttle!

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +2

      I don't think that would work, afaik light dimmers work by basically chopping the AC waveform by only turning on the power when the voltage gets above a certain level, in either direction, AC motors don't particularly like that, doing so to a fan motor you can hear the motor whining the lower it goes until the motor stalls and just jerks in place. I've tried that before. Perhaps an old Variac, one of them boxed units with a big knob on the front, would work best, remove the knob, connect it through a chain reducer to a gas pedal, and boom you've got throttle, but it will keep moving forward at the minimum voltage. The unfortunate thing is, if you get a new one that can do the full 0-250V range, a proper throttle control for this application, it'll run you about 200 bucks, and they're hefty little units.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

    • @Fr3nchFR135
      @Fr3nchFR135 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Avetho 38:50 This came out of a large fan

  • @rider68-12
    @rider68-12 4 місяці тому

    John & Ike, this is exactly how our 40's go kart works. It is on a fixed throttle. So it runs at idle speed. If you had a DC motor a speed controller you could use a much larger DC motor and would have throttle. I like the concept and would see if you could improve it. It would be quite interesting to see a electric go kart from you all.

  • @dennisrobbins5451
    @dennisrobbins5451 4 місяці тому +1

    And here it is ladies and gents, I present to you the "Frakengencartor"!
    I do believe you two must be truly creative or maybe just a touch insane! Either way, I love this concept!

    • @peterland7388
      @peterland7388 4 місяці тому

      It’s the same idea as the A1Abrams U.S. main battle tank! Except the tank uses a jet engine ( gas turbine) to spin the generator. ( only in America!)

  • @mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv.
    @mccathernfamilyprojectsandadv. 4 місяці тому +5

    My question is, where has Charles been?

    • @Swizz-it2pe
      @Swizz-it2pe 4 місяці тому

      He moved away to spend more time with his family. He moved to his hometown. I sure do miss his shenanigans though!

  • @Dylant38
    @Dylant38 4 місяці тому +1

    for those wondering,, this is a good example of why you need more than a 3500watt ac generator. honestly a great representation of gas to electric power. the gas engine would love doing this, but connecting a generator to an electric motor to then power the wheels is a good concept for representing power loss factors

  • @That-Kentucky-Life
    @That-Kentucky-Life 4 місяці тому +9

    Should have used a dimmer switch

    • @uni-byte
      @uni-byte 4 місяці тому +2

      No, a dimmer switch will not work very well with an induction motor.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +2

      A dimmer would cause the motor to start whining and going too low with a load it'll stall and start jerking. Doing all that can damage the motor. For a fan, its okay, since the load drops as the speed drops, for this? It would kill the motor. A Variac is far superior despite their weight and price.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

    • @Fr3nchFR135
      @Fr3nchFR135 4 місяці тому

      @@Avetho 38:50 This came out of a large fan

    • @uni-byte
      @uni-byte 4 місяці тому

      @@Fr3nchFR135 That makes no difference. You can see on the top of the motor a large capacitor bump. That's a dead giveaway it's not the kind of motor that can be controlled wit a dimmer. It's a different beast than a small ceiling fan motor which usually only have 3 or 4 speeds and these are enabled by using different winding configurations. You need a VFC or Variable Frequency Controller for the type of motor they have. They are more complicated than a typical light dimmer, which is essentially a pulse width controller. One for this motor would cost about $200-$300, so not completely out of the question.

  • @CoryTheesfeld
    @CoryTheesfeld 4 місяці тому +1

    The fact that you use a gas engine to run a electric motor is just funny and cool to make it drive , its a cool build keep up the crazy different builds.

  • @FreakinMosin
    @FreakinMosin 4 місяці тому +3

    You need a Variac for it.

    • @uni-byte
      @uni-byte 4 місяці тому +1

      That would work better than a dimmer switch, but not very well. An induction motor like this depends on the AC frequency. They are difficult to control. They should have used a universal motor.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому +1

      They would, if the motor wasn't a synchronous motor. Someone else pointed that out and I noticed their comment (edit: and uni-byte here also mentioned it but somehow I missed it), lathes and mills use synchronous motors which always run at an rpm that is a multiple of the line current, to vary their speed you must vary the line frequency, changing their voltage with a Variac would actually only change the torque.

  • @alfredo42o
    @alfredo42o 4 місяці тому

    We need pt.2!! I hope you do more with this, its just such a cool idea, even if you can't figure out the electric motor i think a generator go-kart would be awesome. I was thinking maybe putting a few 12v lead batteries on it and try to find a DC motor that you can use with the batteries, that way you could hook up a battery charger to the geni. Itd be much more complicated/heavy, but you'd have power on tap at all times and could size the motor to the amperage of the batteries instead of trying to find one that will work with the generator output. Those never really put out much current, so you'd be limiting yourselves to about 3hp max if the motor is plugged straight into the generator.

  • @DaveSquibbSr
    @DaveSquibbSr 4 місяці тому +4

    You should be using a potentiometer rather than a light switch in other words a light dimmer knob.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 4 місяці тому

      A dimmer would kill the motor. A go kart is a high load from a dig, at low throttle the motor wouldn't turn so much as jerk in place from sudden shunts of full voltage, dimmers trim the leading edge of the waveform, going from gradual to a worse and worse chop, for the incandescent bulbs that light dimmers were designed for and modern dimmable bulbs were built to tank the punishment of, its just fine and it all works without issues, for an AC motor? You'd destroy it. At least it'd be fine, if making a pitiful whining noise, if it were a fan you were dimming, though you'd be shaving lifespan off the motor. Better to use a Variac instead of a dimmer.
      Edit: Never mind, this is a synchronous motor rather than a normal AC induction motor, it did come off a lathe after all.

  • @CoryTheesfeld
    @CoryTheesfeld 4 місяці тому +1

    The hose clamp to hold the pulley on the moter is great 👍 😂😂😂

  • @nealramsey4439
    @nealramsey4439 4 місяці тому +1

    Total power is 746wattsx5= 3730W. Your generator is 3500w or there abouts. If your generator was a 5000w then you'd be in business. A 2 or 3hp motor would be easier though

  • @joeycobb9826
    @joeycobb9826 4 місяці тому

    Don't give up on this project. Would be awesome around the track with all the flat paved ground.

  • @chuckhixson2725
    @chuckhixson2725 4 місяці тому

    The cart before the Horse would be cool. A sweet ride with a trailer motor in back to power the vehicle in front . Your idea is like the bar stool , also very cool.

  • @5454juggernaut
    @5454juggernaut 4 місяці тому

    Watching you guys as a self taught mechanic half the stuff goes over my head but as an electrician this video is so funny.

  • @rickybearden4575
    @rickybearden4575 26 днів тому

    sounds like your rigging it up like a golf cart you really come up with some crazy creations its genius not to mention the fun !!!

  • @trailblazer8380
    @trailblazer8380 4 місяці тому

    With all the cool cars in the background, yall should do another series, or playlist, covering those. They look super cool!

  • @badad0166
    @badad0166 4 місяці тому

    22:20 This is great! The "clutch" becomes the throttle as the light switch is flat open. Genius!

  • @aj200415
    @aj200415 4 місяці тому

    These are the builds I come for, the absolute crazy, “stupid” nutty stuff is the coolest! And this doesn’t disappoint!

  • @2000freefuel
    @2000freefuel 4 місяці тому

    YES! I've wanted to build one of these for years! even better when you use one of those welder/generator combination units.

  • @thehi-techredneck3011
    @thehi-techredneck3011 4 місяці тому

    I think what you need to make this work is a bicycle gear shifter and chain to switch gears on a separate jack shaft. It would transfer more power to the ground and have climbing capabilities. Especially since you only want the generator to make rescue missions. The belt drive would still be used for taking off in first gear and then the shifting mechanism on a 10 or 20 speed bicycle chain would be the way to go from there with multiple ring gears. Maybe a 2x10 setup.

  • @messygaragetinkering
    @messygaragetinkering 4 місяці тому

    I'm watching your video for the first time right now. I'm about 23 minutes in and all I can think is, if you're making a gas/electric cart, why not go the extra step and connect the motor (engine 😂) to a hydrostatic transmission for speed control? A gas/electric/hydraulic drivetrain would be the trifecta! I'm gonna get back to watching this video now. I love your guys' stuff!

  • @isomer13
    @isomer13 4 місяці тому

    Once again, C&C delivers. Thanks guys.

  • @FastLaneLyfe
    @FastLaneLyfe 4 місяці тому +1

    32:49 perfect “Hawk Tua” moment left behind.

  • @joshslackslack8115
    @joshslackslack8115 4 місяці тому

    Put a small trailer hitch on a tool box so you can pull it around the generator would be a cool mobile workstation for drag strips and stuff

  • @dstrbd223
    @dstrbd223 4 місяці тому +1

    Always wanted to make one with the motor and electronics from a treadmill. Don’t know if it’d have the torque for an adult, but it’d be fun to try.

  • @mfree80286
    @mfree80286 4 місяці тому +1

    If you fit one of your older, slightly broken CVT units with a throwout bearing instead of springs and weights, you could vary your speed with a lever....

  • @RetroOnSpeedDial
    @RetroOnSpeedDial 4 місяці тому

    I'm from England so my AC knowledge is gonna be different on the US panels, but 11:15 in, you have 110+ and 110- relative to ground. Voltage is nothing but difference. The difference between -110 and +110 is 220v. You can also use a 3 phase VFD and hook it up to the gas pedal and have throttle.

  • @martinlicht1969
    @martinlicht1969 4 місяці тому

    Good ideas here in comments.
    Idea: plug a variac transformer into generator, plug motor into variac. Variac has control knob that could be hooked up any way you want.
    Fun project!

  • @lip03pd
    @lip03pd 4 місяці тому

    That power supply solution is so jank! I LOVE IT!!! 😂😂 this is proper old school C&C back to the old days of John's parents garage

  • @nyahmisgamentech2938
    @nyahmisgamentech2938 3 місяці тому

    Dear cars and cameras, I am no electrician. But two things you must know and remember about motors, motors always try to achieve their designated rpm either by volt aka a kv rating, or in AC there designated controlled rpm. To go below this rpm through load causes a proportional ramp in consumption. I'm almost tempted to build you one of these maybe even race ready.

    • @nyahmisgamentech2938
      @nyahmisgamentech2938 3 місяці тому

      While no electrician I've been doing what you say "don't try at home" since I was a pre-teen, learned much about electrical engineering mechanics and fabrication through the years even have an 69' Austin-Healey Sprite that when I finish I plan on coming to one of your meet n greets with a fantastic gift

  • @donaldhalls2189
    @donaldhalls2189 4 місяці тому

    A lot of big mining dump truck's and trains run a diesel engine generator to large electrical motors on the wheel's 😮😅 thanks for sharing, all the best to yous and your loved ones

  • @lsh3rd
    @lsh3rd 4 місяці тому

    That ending… the Dadbod Veteran might have some stiff competition!!

  • @palehorse7377
    @palehorse7377 4 місяці тому

    yall need an rc boat with a pond like that

  • @Stevop79400
    @Stevop79400 4 місяці тому

    The rail crain was the best use of a stored anything, I have ever seen.

  • @mikeblue6732
    @mikeblue6732 4 місяці тому

    Definitely worth revisiting, the idea is doable with a few modifications

  • @Kindwater
    @Kindwater 4 місяці тому

    You turned an electric generator into a fun generator... What a great job!

  • @jatomlin1991
    @jatomlin1991 4 місяці тому

    Get a neat old welder like a lincoln pipeliner or something and make a real show cart out of it that drives decent and welds. Great stuff as always. Thanks guys.

  • @randyeldred4097
    @randyeldred4097 4 місяці тому +1

    Works great! Just ad an alternator a battery then drive the wheels with a starter motor.

  • @bluestripes1
    @bluestripes1 4 місяці тому

    this was fun to watch even if it didnt work out as well as planned

  • @davejolic
    @davejolic 4 місяці тому +1

    1hp is 746w x 5 is 3730w constant, your generator is 3500w peak. a 3.5hp could work just fine!

  • @gelsol
    @gelsol 4 місяці тому

    Whoa, that carburetor tap blew my mind.

  • @danelldecker3696
    @danelldecker3696 4 місяці тому

    One of those super quiet inverter generators with a 12v outlet. Mine puts out a rock solid 8amps which is more than enough to power a big 12v Dc motor leaving the 120 outlets free for whatever. Nice compact design easily fits into small places

  • @timmtimm4225
    @timmtimm4225 3 місяці тому

    Please continue this, it’s hilarious!

  • @rustybum2
    @rustybum2 4 місяці тому

    Crazy guys! Love it ! Reminded me of a 1950's UK children's TV series Mr. Bean and his Funny Machine ("He built it out of sticks and stones and nuts and bolts and glue ") My only excuse is that I am 79 ! Best regards from Ireland. P

    • @rustybum2
      @rustybum2 4 місяці тому

      Sorry that should be "Billy Bean ______"

  • @simonbasko4214
    @simonbasko4214 4 місяці тому

    Please keep at it guys, I'd love to see the next revision at mini mayhem.

  • @frankgyomoryjr6167
    @frankgyomoryjr6167 4 місяці тому

    A lot of headshaking and I love it!

  • @Marc_Wolfe
    @Marc_Wolfe 4 місяці тому

    Cool. Consider a 3 phase motor, if the generator even does that. Those don't need a starter circuit; they sometimes still have them to reduce current spikes at start up, but not needed. Plus a throttle that bypasses governor.

  • @WBatte1
    @WBatte1 4 місяці тому

    I'm not an electrician either. But the word you were looking for when you came up with "frequency" is actually phase. Which is actually related to frequency. Both phases in a 220v circuit operate at the same frequency, which is 60Hz in the United States. But those frequencies don't line up with each other on a scope. The difference in the match of frequency is phase.

  • @bobsbarnworkshop
    @bobsbarnworkshop 4 місяці тому

    Now you can drive the generator to the job site! Cool!

  • @jeeper426
    @jeeper426 4 місяці тому

    this would be an awesome project for some collab with someone like Redbeards Garage or Rather-B-Welding, i know y'all can make this work

  • @paulmeade3180
    @paulmeade3180 4 місяці тому

    That has great potential to turn into a repair rig for the trail.

  • @bobsbarnworkshop
    @bobsbarnworkshop 4 місяці тому

    Oh man! I had an electrical contracting business back in the 70’s!!!
    I could have really helped you out!
    240v has two 120v lines which are 180degrees out of phase

  • @destruct61
    @destruct61 4 місяці тому +1

    You've got to do a revisit on this I would love to see this working good it would make a great addition to your fleet and an awesome vehicle for the swap meet

  • @lowlidx50
    @lowlidx50 4 місяці тому

    I recently got a "lamb 750" rubber track remote control lawn mower. It has a hybrid type drive system. The gas motor drives an alternator. With a small rechargeable battery. The track drive motors are direct current. It's an interesting gas over electric drive. Something like this could offer potential for a cart drive.

  • @Gixie-R
    @Gixie-R 4 місяці тому

    Hybrid technology at its very shed best. Great job guys.

  • @mulld
    @mulld 4 місяці тому

    The scene at the end deserves an award

  • @ValorMotorsports
    @ValorMotorsports 4 місяці тому +2

    I guess I missed an episode where they talk about the absence of Charles. I hate speculating but I'd like to see Charles back up his World Record mini-bike runs. Try wiring some capacitors in the wiring to give the motor some extra current under initial load. The land rover motor is a Buick V6 Auto Palace couldn't cross reference the starter to 12 GM vehicles with the same one? That's one thing I hate about parts stores now. The person behind the counter is clueless about cars.

  • @kossed
    @kossed 4 місяці тому

    I always get ricky bobbie vibes watching these guys too good!