@@antoinenijhuis450 Definitely not, you can tell it's him, but it's not only his english that has gotten better, it sounds almost as if he is losing his accent because his pronunciation is so much better.
Fan's chiquita is the best I've seen for that technique, but Lin's backhand seems to be more effective in long rallies and it's more fluid and effortless. I think Lin's backhand might work for longer in the future because other players are more familiar with the shot qualtites of Fan's backhand at this point.
Easy question. Lin has a stronger and faster backhand, because his stroke, like MA Long’s Forehand, is a full stroke, whilst Fan’s backhand is a wrist oriented backhand. So wrist power vs full stroke power, full stroke will win all the time. Also full stroke allows you to stop infront of you to go parallel backhand, or do the full stroke and go across the table backhand. Which tricks enemies, they can’t predict if the ball is going parallel or cross table.
Both players have excellent backhand shots. There is a slight difference, Fan used his left hand more as a spring to uncoil the power and stabilize the consistency of the shot. He embodies the PRC's special "Power from the ground" to get the maximum power and the speed to his right wrist upon the impact of the shot. While the previously mentioned left hand provide him with the direction and the consistency of the placement. Meanwhile, Lin use more with his strong upper body and swing his right arm as a sling for instant explosiveness and impact. Since his preparation of the backhand shots are the same, therefore his opponents cannot read the direction of where the ball will go to. This can be a very good disguise. However, this style is a lot more inefficient and wasteful overtime in terms of impacting maximum power and without really the left hand as a guide, timing of the shot would be off. This is a personal preference but in terms of consistency, compactness, power and effectiveness, Fan is the model example of what the backhand shot should be. His video would be an excellent coaching tool of how to maximize the backhand effortlessly.
I prefer LS backhand anytime. It looks very natural. FZD tends to focus on too much brute force and therefore makes unecessary errors during execution.
Currently, making a comparison between the two individuals is not fair due to a significant age difference of nine years. This length of time is substantial when considering the evolution of a player in terms of their skills, experience gained from hours spent on the table, and the number of matches they have played.
Fan Zhendong: Let me see. My opponent is hiding behind his backhand side corner of the table, maybe I should flick one down his FOREHAND side corner of the table? China: You so SMART!!!
At their respective bests, FZD's backhand is far better in every way. LSD has a good backhand, but I think people are getting caught up in a moment or an individual match and forgetting how amazing FZD's backhand is, basically allowed him to dominate top-5 players since age 16.
Supernatural force? Did you complete middle school? Physics is really easy buddy, any object that has rotation introduced to it will make an arc. 🙄 No “supernatural” forces involved…
@@z0uLess 🙄 wait till you see how chopper balls move in the air so “supernaturally”. You’ll think Jesus himself is “guiding the ball” with his ghostly hand.
At my level (which is probably 25 levels lower than these two guys!) I see the same dilemma. Some guys are able to do more spectacular shots with their backend compared to mine, but they are not as consistant. I will typically win 80 % of the matches against players who are more gifted in terms of physically being able to make outrageous shots which wow the observers, but they also miss quite often, are a bit stuck in their all or nothing approach. With my back end which is not as flashy but much more solid, at the end of the games, it is usually in my favour. I am taking obviously of players at a similar level of skills. Such contrat would show, if it was tennis, 20 winners for them against 13 winners for me, but also 20 unforced errors for them against 5 for me. It is the reason that for the time being, I prefer FZD back end, but Shidong is only 17, I am pretty convinced that he will grow his strategic and tactical approach to the sport, being able to use less risky shots at times, better at varying the pace, using various paths to winning a point while continuing to amaze us with the incredible strength of this back end. This is what makes Ma Long so incredibly good: not only his technical abilities but his capability to adapt his playing to how the match is going and to what the opponent is giving him. This is why ML will often lose the first match only to bounce back with 3 wins and a final victory. Shidong will get there, he has the coaches to help him and the fierce adversaries and training partners on the chinese national team to develop his game to the next level.
well, you can look at the time when FZD was 17. At that time FZD was almost No.1 or No. 2 in China - he already beat everyone at China super league and every match he lost was a surprise. Lin obviously is not at that level now. I think they met in super league recently and FZD beat lin easily.
On lower levels consistency wins. For lower ranked countries I find that the same phenomena is true even to provincial level players in terms of serve return philosophy.
@@yudistiraliem135 well you look at the match between wan manyu and wan yidi, you know even at the highest level, consistency still wins. The ball is bigger now so the speed is slower, one smash usually doesn't kill especially at woman side.
Does any feel like the lateral camera view (side to side) makes it difficult or completely unable to gauge the sense of how powerful someone's speed is? It's no comparison to the back of the table perspective. Placement, speed, spin, technique; it's all hard to get a sense of just how awesome the shots are
when i reach the conclusion of the video i hope to find your technical explanation about the differences between the 2 backhand , but i donf find anything , you just show many shots ????
I will go with Lin shidong. His backhand is enough to win the point or end the rally whenever he wants whereas fanzendong needs a few more return to dominate.
I prefer Lin Shidong’s coz his one is more natural and relaxed/flexible. Also Fan’s is mostly good on the table for flick whereas Lin’s equally good for flick and counter-loop or counter-topspin😍😍🏓💪
" errores no forzados" son puntos perdidos. Me serviría saber qué porcentaje comete cada uno en cada match. Qué es más eficiente: agilidad con muchos errores o consistencia ?
The images here, sometimes, don't fit properly (with the players). It is better to see them in a single match every one of them. We should consider that Zan Zhendong has a better backhand because he has worked years in his technique...anyway it's a matter of preferences. Some things ,of course, can be measured...or most of them like:speed,spin, strength,etc. In science everything is measurable (if not... nearly all). Another thing we can see here is that both having a good backhand (and as many players with good backhand) aren't using Chinese rubbers. Of course it has to do with that skill, techniques and players choice. Another important point to consider is the "time" of table tennis we are in... Plastic ball, no speed glue, 40mm ball which makes a big difference with the backhand used by Kreanga, Persson, Waldner,etc. years ago.
Lin's by half a mile. The speed he generates on his backhand is as if he smashed with his forehand. Model demonstration of what shakehanders should do.
@@seeker3983 also used too much energy. You do not need to use that much force to make a 40mm 2.7 gram plastic ball go ballistically fast! A natural swing stroke will send the ball like a rocket when done correctly. Only when you have bad form is that you have to punch or use extra force to send a ball really fast. That’s why you always see Calderano profusely sweating and almost dead when it’s 7 set matches. He doesn’t manage his energy well. He’s a bull on the first sets, then moves like a snail on the last ones.
He had to, it was LJK return to a final after punishment, he had to win. Either way whoever wins it makes China proud since it’s a China Vs China final. I can assure you, anytime they play again, LS will win.
not even close. Darko is too limited. his gears are less. no chiqita, less speed and less consistency. lin is miles miles miles powerful with more recoil
Your vocals has increased drastically coach damnnnnn Thanks for the vid too would love more on Lin Shidong's backhand training and guide Thanks again
Maybe its someone else talking?
@@antoinenijhuis450 Definitely not, you can tell it's him, but it's not only his english that has gotten better, it sounds almost as if he is losing his accent because his pronunciation is so much better.
@@TripodianTT or it could be some kind of AI voice enhancer
Fan's chiquita is the best I've seen for that technique, but Lin's backhand seems to be more effective in long rallies and it's more fluid and effortless. I think Lin's backhand might work for longer in the future because other players are more familiar with the shot qualtites of Fan's backhand at this point.
Easy question.
Lin has a stronger and faster backhand, because his stroke, like MA Long’s Forehand, is a full stroke, whilst Fan’s backhand is a wrist oriented backhand.
So wrist power vs full stroke power, full stroke will win all the time.
Also full stroke allows you to stop infront of you to go parallel backhand, or do the full stroke and go across the table backhand.
Which tricks enemies, they can’t predict if the ball is going parallel or cross table.
Both players have excellent backhand shots. There is a slight difference, Fan used his left hand more as a spring to uncoil the power and stabilize the consistency of the shot. He embodies the PRC's special "Power from the ground" to get the maximum power and the speed to his right wrist upon the impact of the shot. While the previously mentioned left hand provide him with the direction and the consistency of the placement.
Meanwhile, Lin use more with his strong upper body and swing his right arm as a sling for instant explosiveness and impact. Since his preparation of the backhand shots are the same, therefore his opponents cannot read the direction of where the ball will go to. This can be a very good disguise. However, this style is a lot more inefficient and wasteful overtime in terms of impacting maximum power and without really the left hand as a guide, timing of the shot would be off.
This is a personal preference but in terms of consistency, compactness, power and effectiveness, Fan is the model example of what the backhand shot should be. His video would be an excellent coaching tool of how to maximize the backhand effortlessly.
I prefer LS backhand anytime. It looks very natural. FZD tends to focus on too much brute force and therefore makes unecessary errors during execution.
This is exactly what was going to comment. You did it for me my friend😅🤗🙏. Thank you very much🤗🙏
Nice post Coach!
someone is doing a lot of speaking drills! good job!
Fan for sure
Currently, making a comparison between the two individuals is not fair due to a significant age difference of nine years. This length of time is substantial when considering the evolution of a player in terms of their skills, experience gained from hours spent on the table, and the number of matches they have played.
FZD has more variety. Quicker switch between offence and defence. And I like it that he can flatten out to get power and speed.
Fan Zhendong: Let me see. My opponent is hiding behind his backhand side corner of the table, maybe I should flick one down his FOREHAND side corner of the table?
China: You so SMART!!!
Both are Good. 😀😁
Amazing video! It was very entertaining to watch. One question tho, what's the name of the song you used on 1:09 - 1:10 ?
At their respective bests, FZD's backhand is far better in every way. LSD has a good backhand, but I think people are getting caught up in a moment or an individual match and forgetting how amazing FZD's backhand is, basically allowed him to dominate top-5 players since age 16.
1:17 the two backhands are on totally different levels
prime form I'd say FZD. Lately LSD is looking better imo.
its insane watching how the ball moves on some of these bakchands. its as if some supernatural force is pulling it down when it curves at this speed
Supernatural force?
Did you complete middle school?
Physics is really easy buddy, any object that has rotation introduced to it will make an arc. 🙄
No “supernatural” forces involved…
@@Chris.Morales oh, I am glad we cleared that up. thanks ;D
@@z0uLess 🙄 wait till you see how chopper balls move in the air so “supernaturally”.
You’ll think Jesus himself is “guiding the ball” with his ghostly hand.
@@Chris.Morales how is that even possible? I dont believe you
Magnus effect, the topspin makes the ball pushes the air and so it creates an arc.
At my level (which is probably 25 levels lower than these two guys!) I see the same dilemma. Some guys are able to do more spectacular shots with their backend compared to mine, but they are not as consistant. I will typically win 80 % of the matches against players who are more gifted in terms of physically being able to make outrageous shots which wow the observers, but they also miss quite often, are a bit stuck in their all or nothing approach. With my back end which is not as flashy but much more solid, at the end of the games, it is usually in my favour. I am taking obviously of players at a similar level of skills. Such contrat would show, if it was tennis, 20 winners for them against 13 winners for me, but also 20 unforced errors for them against 5 for me. It is the reason that for the time being, I prefer FZD back end, but Shidong is only 17, I am pretty convinced that he will grow his strategic and tactical approach to the sport, being able to use less risky shots at times, better at varying the pace, using various paths to winning a point while continuing to amaze us with the incredible strength of this back end. This is what makes Ma Long so incredibly good: not only his technical abilities but his capability to adapt his playing to how the match is going and to what the opponent is giving him. This is why ML will often lose the first match only to bounce back with 3 wins and a final victory. Shidong will get there, he has the coaches to help him and the fierce adversaries and training partners on the chinese national team to develop his game to the next level.
Similar story for me, consistency over strength usually gets me the win. I think more consistent players can also improve more quickly.
well, you can look at the time when FZD was 17. At that time FZD was almost No.1 or No. 2 in China - he already beat everyone at China super league and every match he lost was a surprise. Lin obviously is not at that level now. I think they met in super league recently and FZD beat lin easily.
On lower levels consistency wins. For lower ranked countries I find that the same phenomena is true even to provincial level players in terms of serve return philosophy.
@@yudistiraliem135 well you look at the match between wan manyu and wan yidi, you know even at the highest level, consistency still wins. The ball is bigger now so the speed is slower, one smash usually doesn't kill especially at woman side.
LIn's backhand is a Heaven's Spear and Fan's Backhand is a durable shield.. A very durable shield...
Does any feel like the lateral camera view (side to side) makes it difficult or completely unable to gauge the sense of how powerful someone's speed is? It's no comparison to the back of the table perspective. Placement, speed, spin, technique; it's all hard to get a sense of just how awesome the shots are
when i reach the conclusion of the video i hope to find your technical explanation about the differences between the 2 backhand , but i donf find anything , you just show many shots ????
Who is coach of Lin Shindong?
Does anyone know?
I will go with Lin shidong. His backhand is enough to win the point or end the rally whenever he wants whereas fanzendong needs a few more return to dominate.
yup. have the same thinking. I pick LSD's b/hand. More effective to win points.
I prefer Lin Shidong’s coz his one is more natural and relaxed/flexible. Also Fan’s is mostly good on the table for flick whereas Lin’s equally good for flick and counter-loop or counter-topspin😍😍🏓💪
i like the backhand of Lin Shidong, it reminds me of Zhang Jike ways...
Lin shidong's backhand and playing style is more similar to Zhang jike and to fan zhendong
Lin Shidon's backhand is faster, Fan Zhendong's backhand is more variable and complete
" errores no forzados" son puntos perdidos. Me serviría saber qué porcentaje comete cada uno en cada match. Qué es más eficiente: agilidad con muchos errores o consistencia ?
Equipment?
The images here, sometimes, don't fit properly (with the players). It is better to see them in a single match every one of them. We should consider that Zan Zhendong has a better backhand because he has worked years in his technique...anyway it's a matter of preferences. Some things ,of course, can be measured...or most of them like:speed,spin, strength,etc. In science everything is measurable (if not... nearly all). Another thing we can see here is that both having a good backhand (and as many players with good backhand) aren't using Chinese rubbers. Of course it has to do with that skill, techniques and players choice. Another important point to consider is the "time" of table tennis we are in... Plastic ball, no speed glue, 40mm ball which makes a big difference with the backhand used by Kreanga, Persson, Waldner,etc. years ago.
I prefer when you used your real voice
Something really out of the world unbelievable
Zhang Jike >>>>>
Lin Shidong Who?
They use different rubbers now,so it means different styles 🤷♂️
Malong will know the answer
FZD more stable BH. LSD more advance and powerful BH.
1:20,1:55,4:18,5:22
Lin yun ju
Lin's by half a mile. The speed he generates on his backhand is as if he smashed with his forehand. Model demonstration of what shakehanders should do.
I still prefer Hugo Calderano's backhand.
Fodase kkkkkkk xD
inconsistent and unstable. lots of pointless backswing.
@@seeker3983 also used too much energy.
You do not need to use that much force to make a 40mm 2.7 gram plastic ball go ballistically fast!
A natural swing stroke will send the ball like a rocket when done correctly.
Only when you have bad form is that you have to punch or use extra force to send a ball really fast.
That’s why you always see Calderano profusely sweating and almost dead when it’s 7 set matches.
He doesn’t manage his energy well.
He’s a bull on the first sets, then moves like a snail on the last ones.
Lin will get the accration soon.
I, for sure👑😁
Fan ZD
Definitely LS, I think that he deliberately lost the game.
He had to, it was LJK return to a final after punishment, he had to win.
Either way whoever wins it makes China proud since it’s a China Vs China final.
I can assure you, anytime they play again, LS will win.
Idk whos number 1 ??
Darko Jorgic has best backhand of them all
not even close. Darko is too limited. his gears are less. no chiqita, less speed and less consistency. lin is miles miles miles powerful with more recoil
Zhang jike better than all
Mine is Ma Long just by record says it all
@@malong3925 considering backhand side bro? Would you change your mind? =))
Ma Long's BH is simple and effective, he's the best at hitting BH early than any other players
I think Hugo has the best backhand among current players.
Baby Fatty VS Little Fatty 😀😀
Dima
Lin shidong backhand is more promising
Oh Sangeun is GOAT of BH to me.
Darko