This is basically a phone with a bigger screen and controls. This will fail badly... SteamDeck is way more power, and when it is old, you can use it for something else. They don't lockdown anything on it. That's the beauty of it.
@@desmondho6876 well it might, if you live in a region where the steamdecl never got released or is just too expensive (where I live the steamdeck 64gb is around 650usd and was 2 months ago over a thousand usd
You can get a steam deck for $50 more than this. It's ridiculous they would even think this would be successful as a strictly cloud gaming android device at that price range. This should cost maybe $150 tops and that's being generous.
@@desmondho6876 I don't think they can price it anyless. The Nintendo switch gets a deal from Nvidia to charge what they do because they order in bulk and it's the same from valve for the steam deck for AMD. They probably have it priced as low as it can be with actually getting a bit of profit behind the RnD. This product should be like 150 at the most but because of how things cost now a days it's super inflated for sure.
If it wasn't so overpriced I would definitely consider buying it. It looks beautiful and solid, and I have been messing around with streaming from my local machine and from cloud and it's really amazing
For 200€ I'd buy it right away! I'm just looking for a device for local stream with a big screen, as my smartphone screen it feels a bit small (Poco f3). Shame they want out of their mind with the price for that hardware
I am absolutely, 100%, beyond the shadow of doubt, certain that I would consider buying the G Cloud if it were priced at $199 and I didn't already own a Steam Deck.
I also have a Steam Deck, but even if I didn't, I already have a smartphone with a Snapdragon 888 and amoled display which I got refurbished for €370, plus a retractable controller (iPega Red Knight) for €25. Very tough sell when you can get an entire smartphone with better specs for just €40 more I legit don't get why you'd get two separate devices rather than one good smartphone. Basically two birds with one stone
@@Thornskade I have a LG V60 with a Snapdragon 865 and I have a gamesir x2 controller that I thought I was going to use a lot more. The OLED screen is great, but I would prefer an actual 16x9 screen because the device is just alot bigger than it needs to be for streaming. Plus, the black bars are annoying. Not to mention having built in controls is just more convenient than having to get out the controller and phone every time. I personally would invest in a purpose-built device like this, at a considerably lower price.
@@tecnui If you want to spend double the money because black bars insulted your family, that's on you. Having to get out the controller and phone every time... You do know you can leave the controls on the phone? Anyway, this reasoning is quite ridiculous, sorry to say. I'm not spending $350 because I'm too lazy to get out two things instead of one (seriously?) and have a worse device with a worse display on top but again, you do you. By the way, black bars is more the fault of the games not supporting your resolution. Game streaming is such a great service, huh? Many native games do support the resolution and so do your PC games. You're going to see a lot of black bars when emulating anyhow.
I think if it had a better SOC, like a SD 865+ or better, it would be easier to stomach than what's in here. At least then you could get a good emulation handheld up to GameCube, Wii, and PS2.
@@crashdude7589 I have a gaming laptop and a series x... if I was to invest into the x86 platform id much rather build another rig. I kind of like the razer tablet because its pocketable and id probably trade in my samsung for an iphone and use my razer for the upgraded 144hz steamlink and geforce now, emulators, and some android games... iOS has a better game selection with controller support though Dont get me wrong, steam deck is cool, just not what im looking for in my use case
@@jimmymac2292 yeah I get you, I'm planning on getting a steam deck 64gb, either upgrading the ssd or getting a large microsd, I already own a high end PC so I've invested my money into steam already I'm mainly interesting in playing emulation and PC titles on a handheld, I'll probably end up buying a large battery bank for the deck just incase
@@crashdude7589 yeah, I think thats why I like cloud gaming. Geforce Now stores all my games in the cloud so no storage upgrades needed. It also takes advantage of my 1440p 120hz z fold 4 screen. Overall ive been happy with it.
The 1080p screen seems like a standout feature, which puts it above a lot of tablets in terms off pixels per inch, and other handhelds that are only 720/800p.
Slick little package overall. WiFi6 would have been nice though it’d add to the base price, which is the most contentious point for this device. Looking forward to the full emulation showcase.
As an Ayn Odin Pro and AYA Neo Pro owner, a really thing and light Android with exceptional battery life is a different category than an x86 machine. I use both regularly, but the Odin primarily when it comes to Android games, emulation, and something quick that I can jump into. It would be really hard to sell this "instead" of a Steam Deck. But I think an addition to it would be great.
I'm 400% sure they will drop the price to the $200 level, because there is a lot of competition right now and all are targetig Xbox Game Pass, so it's cool to see a good android gaming tablet, I will definitely buy it if it drops to $200 for PSP, PS2 and GameCube emulation.
The razer device has WAY better specs, but the controller isn’t built in, it’s literally using a strapped on Bluetooth controller. And it’s razer so the thing will die in 3 months.
The 20:9 aspect ratio of the Razer Edge is pretty awful for gaming, especially if you play emulators on it. I have no clue what Razer was thinking sticking really good specs on it but then going with a display ratio like that.
@@mrsittingmongoose I'll be honest, to a certain extent I don't mind the removable controller. I mind the rest of the product but that's one thing that I think comes down to taste more so than functionality
I like the overall design and would maybe consider one if it was around $150-200 for those specs, but $350 is just too much compared to the competition. For that price it should have an 865/875 and 8GB of RAM, or at the very least a 765g and 6GB.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
Yeah, the absurd price seems to be this thing's undoing, same with the Razer one. For about the same price as a Steam Deck which can play full PC games, along with emulating anything these can and then some, AND it can stream games, AND it can be used as a full desktop PC, these things can only play mobile phone games, emulators, or stream games...which the phone you already own can do. Once these things inevitably flop and you can scoop em up for half-off they might be okay as a dedicated emulation station but beyond that there's no appeal here.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Building it for such a low price is just impossible. A basic 720p/Snapdragon 400 tablet these days are close to $100. Maybe they could hit $200, but even that would be hard considering how much a dedicated high-quality controller cost.
The Steam Deck has become a perfect solution for me. Having large hands, the ergonomics are superior to my Switch. Plus I have a massive (30K) rom collection that I actually use now. I would like to see 5G incorporated into it so I could retire my tablet for good.
For 180 to 220 USD this can be great. Specially in market like India where logitech has great fan following and Chinese handhelds are not available but 399 is too much.
@@bulletpunch9317 A SD695 phone can cost 150 usd + any good controller like kishi or X2 will cost additional 120 usd. So at 250 USD this can be a game changer.
@@bulletpunch9317 yeah but for 180 USD to 220 USD this could be a decent emulation machine + android gaming machine with controller. A good controller for Android phone can cost you 100 usd at least. But 399 USD is too much for Logitech G and SD 720G.
It's a middleground portable. Gamepass Streaming is really growing on me as of late and find myself playing more on phone paured w Razer Kishi. Having a dedicated device w a big screen and is lightweight is compelling. $350 seems fair but there is a lot of competition right now. If I can find this for $250 or less, I'd totally get it. Love the design and the fact its lightweight.
Thanks for another great video! When I first saw the specs on this thing a couple of months ago, I was thinking it wasn't worth more than $99. After seeing your review here, I finally understand what Logitech was going for here. 12 hours of gaming is pretty spectacular, but at it's current price (which is much more than I expected it to launch at), this is a hard pass for me. I agree that this shouldn't be priced above $199, and if it ever goes on sale for under $150, I would maybe consider picking it up!
This makes me wonder - if Google had invested its stadia funding into launching an android handheld focused on Google Play Pass + streaming with custom built snapdragon powerhouse, it could've easily been the device to lead gaming industry to developments in ARM architecture. Steam deck is great, but having lighter and powerful yet efficient handheld at an affordable price sounds pretty compelling. Sad to see portable gaming stuck in x86 devices, when clearly ARM is the future in every department.
Thanks for the quick look! - What is the streaming quality (bitrate) of Xcloud? It is noticeably worse for me on Android than Windows. - Did you notice any thermal throttling running more intensive games or emulation? - I noticed some gaps in the case between the grip and faceplate, was that damage from someone taking it apart? - How are the analog thumbsticks compared to the Switch, Odin, and Steam Deck?
I love Logitech. It’s the only reason I’m so interested but they have to do something that differentiates this from the steam deck but in a positive for the price they are selling it. Like a year of GFN, included wireless earbuds etc. or drop the price by half
If you will, please do moonlight tests, moonlight is the only cloud streaming I care about, I currently use an old iPad as my moonlight device, if this thing goes on sale which it will from poor sales, this could make a perfect moonlight device. And double down as a tablet. iPads have weird resolutions and moonlight does great to adjust but PC games don’t. I have a proxmox server with a dedicated gaming VM I turn on when i leave the house. It’s basically my steam deck but no hardware needed. Just a device to put moonlight on
6:26 Congrats on that camera microphone. The noise direction capture is so good that it made me look down at my laptop to see if was coming from it. And yeas, I am using headphones, and a very cheap one.
Man, I can't get Gran Turismo 4 to run well on my Steam Deck, so it's wild to see it running great on this! I know it would be extremely specific to only a smaller number of viewers, but I would love to have some ETA Prime help in setting up PCSX2 for some games on Steam Deck. Gran Turismo 4, NBA St. Vol. 2, and other harder to run games that people may have encountered.
gt4 runs great on deck. Your settings probably need tweaking. this thing wont run anything like ps2 games with much success.... it waa made for streaming
At $200 this would be a great price point, but at this price point I’d have a difficult time choosing this versus and RP3. The RP3 although not as powerful can do enough emulation plus cloud gaming at half the price. It looks great hopefully they can reduce the $ down the line.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
The retroid pocket 3GB RAM model is 140 USD + Tax + Shipping (+ Customs for most countries) you will be lucky to get it under 230 USD (converted). For streaming/cloud you don't get access to a 1080p screen, analog triggers, a proper ergonomic design and analog sticks. I will be very curious to see which type of warranty support will you have with retroid, specially when compared with logitech.
Wow, those analogue sticks are TOWERS! Meh, it's alright, great price for 2x resolution in God of War for PSP though I'd like to see Shadow of the Colossus or God of War on PS2 running. Nice to see Logitech joining the race for the perfect handheld. Great review on a new product. =D
Ergonomics are absolutely my top priority, so it hurts especially bad for me that this just has a few flaws that make it really hard to justify. If it had a newer processor so it was more capable in emulsion/android gaming, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Or if it was like $250. I don’t even care about cloud gaming, I just want a device for Android gaming/emulation and local streaming.
i find myself loving my steamdeck more and more everyday. It gives me that feeling I used to have when I got a new console or pc as a kid. Like geting the ps2 in 2001. So much to love and learn with it, with amazing tech/support for the perfect price. Upgradable modular(with dock) and a tinkerer's dream handheld. I hear other say the same thing and its true for me as well that i find myself playing more games then i have been esp. since busy. I got my DreaMachine desktop pc, but the SteaMachine is a great 2nd at home and 1 when out sorry not sorry iphone 13promax. Great video! I love my Logitech perifs but the company has theeee worst customer service ive ever experienced so that makes this a huge No along with the processor.
I've got an Odin Pro and while it is more powerful than the G Cloud, I think the ergonomics and the larger screen of the G Cloud are superior. The high price tag, weaker chipset, and no upgrade to Wifi 6, though, make it a bit of a wash for me...
Wonder if it will come down any around Black Friday? If so I'm most likely going to get one to replace my phone/kishi setup. I really like the idea of having a dedicated android device like this over taking my phone out of the case and connecting it to the kishi when I want to play something.
@@mephistovonfaust I'm not putting the money down by any means yet. I want to see the sale price. That said I have yet to find a comfortable phone controller pairing that works for me.
This would have been nice if they up there SOC to 800 series and the ram to 6 or 8 gig, I’m digging the design but the spec just made it a letdown, I know it’s for cloud gaming but it would been nice if it can handle some beefy emulation.
Steam deck is nice and all, but the form factor on this Logitech is sooooooo much nicer. Hopefully this ushers in an era of more capable handhelds that arent like lugging around a surfboard.
There is a trick to work around the tencent/activision games not supporting other controllers. What you have to do is connect a wireless xbox controller through bluetooth and then any other controller that is plugged in through type c will work for those games. Hopes this helps ETA!
They nailed the form factor, and battery life isn't stress-inducing - two factors that have held me back from the Steam Deck. But for the asking price, the G-Cloud needs a Snapdragon 865 or slightly better to compete. As-is, the performance isn't too much better than the RP3 for more than twice the cost. Edit: And I still want to know why the hell Tencent needed to be involved.
If you’re just streaming on the Steam Deck, you’ll get around 7 or 8 hours of battery. You only get 1 1/2 or 2 hours when playing a modern AAA title. And if you have more free time than that to play video games you need a job.
There are so many good retro compilations on the Switch that I seriously have no need for any of these devices. That said, this device looks REALLY nice. I would consider it if I was more into modern games.
Having the Odin Pro, the G Cloud's weaker chipset and lack of Wifi 6 is a major bummer at it's price point. Sucks because I think the G Cloud's larger screen and ergonomics look like a step up. This outer hardware paired with a more current chipset would've made it an instant purchase for me.
I agree with done other commenters that this is going to do in price real fast. The recently announced Razer Edge is $50 more with a better processor and screen as well as more internal storage. Yes the Steam Deck is also $50 more but I personally don't have much interest in PC gaming. Just about anything I'd want to play is a few years old is considered retro and can stream from my laptop. Samw goes for emulation. I don't really need to bring PC games out with me. If I ever have the time to play something while in out of the house, it's usually a retro game. I'd rather have the smaller footprint and multiuse of a 6" Android tablet
$460 canadian (according to Amazon). At only $40 cheaper then the cheapest SteamDeck ($499 canadian), it's a hard buy... The SteamDeck is just a crazy device for the price.
I really like the user interface of the game game launcher! Gives Steam big picture combined with Windows Vista vibes - beautiful ! This seems like it'd be a great upgrade from my aging 2015 GPD XD, but damn that price - for that much I just couldn't justify it :(
The price is such a disappointment, I was ready to order one towards the end of the video. I already have a Steam Deck so I guess I’ll just add emulation and cloud gaming. Bro, I can’t stress enough how much I appreciate your channel and what you do for the gaming and retro community.
Really interesting little device. I don't think it's enough to make me give up playing my Nintendo Switch. I think I may go down the Steam Deck route in the future.
I preordered the one announced from Razor instead of this and so far i think I might have made the right choice. I use a Galaxy Tab S7+ for most of my emulation (that and now steam deck). The Razors specs look to be a good bump up and I don't know why but I feel better about walking around with a $500 android tablet than a steam deck. I'm afraid of dropping the deck but have no issue throwing the android tablet around. Eventhough they're the same price! I'm crazy I know 😅
I think the razer is more tailored to playing actual android games instead of streaming console/pc games due to its wider aspect ratio. Does seem very good for the price though
The steam deck just blows this away. I mean it makes sense. Valve is selling the deck at a loss but make up the money in game sales. Logitech cannot do that. And with the deck now in stock between it and this device it's a no brainer imo.
Well, the Steam Deck also have a (far?) worse screen, worse battery life, is heavier and more expensive. For someone only concerned with playing cloud games (local or over the Internet), this could still be a contender.
LOL the startup animation gives me chills: I see it all the time as I am constantly having to restart G HUB after it all my keyboard macros inevitably stop working because it has decided to s**t itself
9:05 I can hear your frustration pretty clear there. It absolutely sucks when the company is just unwilling to add support for third-party controllers while it is absolutely possible to do.
Spot on. I have a Steam Deck and still would pick this up for $199 for home streaming or long away-from-battery situations, but $349 is way, way too much without WiFi 6.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
I thought it was 200 and even at that price I thought it was too expensive. if it was on sale for 150 maybe, but most people that could buy this thing already having a phone outperforming it by I mile. So it would be way cheaper to buy a good controller and a battery. at 350 it costs as much as the loki mini pro with the i3 upgrade, whole the odin mini would probably outperform it for a 100 bucks less.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
While I appreciate ETA has to keep ‘em happy, I really don’t see how anyone could be excited to pick this thing up. It’s just rotten and represents everything the corporations are desperately trying to push on us. On the plus side, we have Steam Decks readily available now so this thing can hurry up and disappear.
@@obvious_giraffe8386 me too, especially as reviews are now coming in that trash the device. It’s pretty clear what’s going on here and it’s time to unsubscribe.
This thing would be pretty cool at the right price point. I would totally pick one up for maybe $200 or $250. Probably will only have to wait a few months for that to happen, I bet.
I'm actually kinda impressed with the performance, I already have a steam deck and theres no way id pay $300+ for this but if it dropped to 200-250ish id likely pick one up to replace my current gaming phone I use with a kishi. I also have noticed 200-250 is what phones with similar specs are currently selling for new and there is a few older phones with better chips that go for about 200 or so (note 9 with snapdragon 845 is usually sub $200 and likely is a more powerful device its just not as clean looking and doesn't have the nice launcher) hopefully Logitech realizes this is overpriced for what it is and drops the price because id love to pick one up just not at this current price.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
Yes, I would absolutely be interested if the price was lower. I have a steam deck, so I'll be playing that instead. You can get a retroid for so much cheaper and run a lot of the same things, or just play on your phone.
At its price point the steam deck brings better specs and software. And for cheaper, the switch lite brings a smaller package. It looks like it has the best mix of looks from both consoles, I just wish it could run windows and play indie games really well. It looks so comfortable
@@04_ruizatanedy24 I suppose a proper price would make this appealing. But even then, a cheap phone with those specs could still be ultimately more useful overall.
@@David-ro1sb I got it lol picked it up from best buy an hour ago see I don't assume things I speak on actual things I see I pre ordered so yeah I was already invested
I think the price will be the factor. Looks really cool but man the Steam Deck really set the standard
This is basically a phone with a bigger screen and controls.
This will fail badly... SteamDeck is way more power, and when it is old, you can use it for something else. They don't lockdown anything on it. That's the beauty of it.
agreed - $349.99 is not cutting it :S
@@desmondho6876 well it might, if you live in a region where the steamdecl never got released or is just too expensive (where I live the steamdeck 64gb is around 650usd and was 2 months ago over a thousand usd
You can get a steam deck for $50 more than this. It's ridiculous they would even think this would be successful as a strictly cloud gaming android device at that price range. This should cost maybe $150 tops and that's being generous.
@@desmondho6876 I don't think they can price it anyless. The Nintendo switch gets a deal from Nvidia to charge what they do because they order in bulk and it's the same from valve for the steam deck for AMD. They probably have it priced as low as it can be with actually getting a bit of profit behind the RnD. This product should be like 150 at the most but because of how things cost now a days it's super inflated for sure.
If it wasn't so overpriced I would definitely consider buying it. It looks beautiful and solid, and I have been messing around with streaming from my local machine and from cloud and it's really amazing
it does look really nice, but, yes, its the price.
i bet it's gonna be on some kind of fire sale soon
For 200€ I'd buy it right away! I'm just looking for a device for local stream with a big screen, as my smartphone screen it feels a bit small (Poco f3).
Shame they want out of their mind with the price for that hardware
dude it doesn't even look good compared to other handhelds out there
So everyone got a iPhone but can’t afford this simple gadget?
This is exactly what I needed, Just a full walkthrough of someone explaining this handheld game. thx bro im getting this for xmas
I am absolutely, 100%, beyond the shadow of doubt, certain that I would consider buying the G Cloud if it were priced at $199 and I didn't already own a Steam Deck.
I also have a Steam Deck, but even if I didn't, I already have a smartphone with a Snapdragon 888 and amoled display which I got refurbished for €370, plus a retractable controller (iPega Red Knight) for €25. Very tough sell when you can get an entire smartphone with better specs for just €40 more
I legit don't get why you'd get two separate devices rather than one good smartphone. Basically two birds with one stone
@@Thornskade I have a LG V60 with a Snapdragon 865 and I have a gamesir x2 controller that I thought I was going to use a lot more. The OLED screen is great, but I would prefer an actual 16x9 screen because the device is just alot bigger than it needs to be for streaming. Plus, the black bars are annoying. Not to mention having built in controls is just more convenient than having to get out the controller and phone every time. I personally would invest in a purpose-built device like this, at a considerably lower price.
@@tecnui If you want to spend double the money because black bars insulted your family, that's on you. Having to get out the controller and phone every time... You do know you can leave the controls on the phone? Anyway, this reasoning is quite ridiculous, sorry to say. I'm not spending $350 because I'm too lazy to get out two things instead of one (seriously?) and have a worse device with a worse display on top but again, you do you.
By the way, black bars is more the fault of the games not supporting your resolution. Game streaming is such a great service, huh? Many native games do support the resolution and so do your PC games. You're going to see a lot of black bars when emulating anyhow.
The waiting list for the Steam Deck is over. I think they missed the boat.
I know a ton of people who doesn't want the steam Deck
@@mackw919 Lol. Tell them to spend $350 on this instead. 🤣🤣
Wait, for real?? You can just preorder it?
@@thebarbiter4644 yea it ships in like 2-4 weeks or less. Most people’s ship immediately.
when you can get a phone with an 855 snapdragon for 100 bucks on ebay... yeah they missed the ship by years
That is going to go on sale real soon. I don't think this is going to sell much, especially with the price and specs.
I feel bad for the fool that pays a full $350 on it.
Odin pro is better value
@@David-ro1sb yes
@@ps5.gamer.71 due, even a mobile phone with MUCH better specs costs half of this
Very overpriced!🤣
Would definitely get this when it goes on 75 percent off sale
I think if it had a better SOC, like a SD 865+ or better, it would be easier to stomach than what's in here. At least then you could get a good emulation handheld up to GameCube, Wii, and PS2.
Even a 845, to me id prefer this over an odin pro with that bump in specs
@@jimmymac2292 is there any reason you wouldn't prefer a steam deck over those 2? Large size and small battery the issue?
@@crashdude7589 I have a gaming laptop and a series x... if I was to invest into the x86 platform id much rather build another rig. I kind of like the razer tablet because its pocketable and id probably trade in my samsung for an iphone and use my razer for the upgraded 144hz steamlink and geforce now, emulators, and some android games... iOS has a better game selection with controller support though
Dont get me wrong, steam deck is cool, just not what im looking for in my use case
@@jimmymac2292 yeah I get you, I'm planning on getting a steam deck 64gb, either upgrading the ssd or getting a large microsd, I already own a high end PC so I've invested my money into steam already I'm mainly interesting in playing emulation and PC titles on a handheld, I'll probably end up buying a large battery bank for the deck just incase
@@crashdude7589 yeah, I think thats why I like cloud gaming. Geforce Now stores all my games in the cloud so no storage upgrades needed. It also takes advantage of my 1440p 120hz z fold 4 screen. Overall ive been happy with it.
Brother, this thing STINKS!
Truly.
Just get a RP3, Ayn Odin or an android anbernic handheld
@@obvious_giraffe8386 that too
@@obvious_giraffe8386 the deck doesn't have a good screen or battery life, it's better just to use your phone with some controllers.
@@oo--7714 bro I know the battery isn’t great but I wouldn’t put off a steam deck gaming session over my phone 😂
The 1080p screen seems like a standout feature, which puts it above a lot of tablets in terms off pixels per inch, and other handhelds that are only 720/800p.
Slick little package overall. WiFi6 would have been nice though it’d add to the base price, which is the most contentious point for this device. Looking forward to the full emulation showcase.
As an Ayn Odin Pro and AYA Neo Pro owner, a really thing and light Android with exceptional battery life is a different category than an x86 machine. I use both regularly, but the Odin primarily when it comes to Android games, emulation, and something quick that I can jump into.
It would be really hard to sell this "instead" of a Steam Deck. But I think an addition to it would be great.
I'm 400% sure they will drop the price to the $200 level, because there is a lot of competition right now and all are targetig Xbox Game Pass, so it's cool to see a good android gaming tablet, I will definitely buy it if it drops to $200 for PSP, PS2 and GameCube emulation.
That will be a good PS2/PSP EMU, 6000ma battery and big screen for PS2 games
For PS3, i will steaming it from my PC
@@pitcheung5354 yes
I will never put my money behind any cloud gaming service or device. I want to own my game forever.
If you buy games on steam, you can play them on geforce now. You don’t buy any games through geforce now, you use your existing library.
This thing is DOA. Razer showed the greed of Logitech with the announcement of their own device even if it too will share the same fate as this one.
The razer device has WAY better specs, but the controller isn’t built in, it’s literally using a strapped on Bluetooth controller.
And it’s razer so the thing will die in 3 months.
@@mrsittingmongoose it was not Bluetooth controller matte. It was wired USB c
The 20:9 aspect ratio of the Razer Edge is pretty awful for gaming, especially if you play emulators on it. I have no clue what Razer was thinking sticking really good specs on it but then going with a display ratio like that.
@@04_ruizatanedy24 still it’s not built in.
@@mrsittingmongoose I'll be honest, to a certain extent I don't mind the removable controller. I mind the rest of the product but that's one thing that I think comes down to taste more so than functionality
unintended pro of the steam deck: Everything feels a lot lighter after using it
I like the overall design and would maybe consider one if it was around $150-200 for those specs, but $350 is just too much compared to the competition. For that price it should have an 865/875 and 8GB of RAM, or at the very least a 765g and 6GB.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
Yeah, the absurd price seems to be this thing's undoing, same with the Razer one. For about the same price as a Steam Deck which can play full PC games, along with emulating anything these can and then some, AND it can stream games, AND it can be used as a full desktop PC, these things can only play mobile phone games, emulators, or stream games...which the phone you already own can do. Once these things inevitably flop and you can scoop em up for half-off they might be okay as a dedicated emulation station but beyond that there's no appeal here.
Its $300, but yeah, should be $200 max...
I wouldn't consider it at any more than $100. Once it gets past that point, I start considering the Steam Deck or Switch.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 Building it for such a low price is just impossible. A basic 720p/Snapdragon 400 tablet these days are close to $100. Maybe they could hit $200, but even that would be hard considering how much a dedicated high-quality controller cost.
I love your videos sir. Just got my steamdeck for 2 weeks now. And that thing is crazy good.
I got mine today and I was surprised how good it feels! I have only had time to play Xbox cloud so far, but still a decent android device...
The Steam Deck has become a perfect solution for me. Having large hands, the ergonomics are superior to my Switch. Plus I have a massive (30K) rom collection that I actually use now. I would like to see 5G incorporated into it so I could retire my tablet for good.
I think you'd like the OneXPlayer too with 8.4" screen; I have it.
love the deck too... also the touchpads make is so fantastic
For 180 to 220 USD this can be great. Specially in market like India where logitech has great fan following and Chinese handhelds are not available but 399 is too much.
@@bulletpunch9317 A SD695 phone can cost 150 usd + any good controller like kishi or X2 will cost additional 120 usd. So at 250 USD this can be a game changer.
@@bulletpunch9317 yeah but for 180 USD to 220 USD this could be a decent emulation machine + android gaming machine with controller. A good controller for Android phone can cost you 100 usd at least. But 399 USD is too much for Logitech G and SD 720G.
@@bulletpunch9317 Not in India. I saw it started selling 60 usd (5500 Rs) now it is selling around 100 USD ( around 8k Rs)
For that price, it‘s really bad value
Absolutely.
DOA.
No it's not. Amazon has it for 299. Emulator devices don't go down in price. This does more then reviewers are saying.
I've been waiting for proper Android based gaming handhelds since the original shield. They are finally here.
It's a middleground portable. Gamepass Streaming is really growing on me as of late and find myself playing more on phone paured w Razer Kishi. Having a dedicated device w a big screen and is lightweight is compelling. $350 seems fair but there is a lot of competition right now. If I can find this for $250 or less, I'd totally get it. Love the design and the fact its lightweight.
Best Android Handheld, Note 10+ with a Gamesir X2/3 can run every thing up to ps2 and even switch on the sketchy EGG NS emulator
I got a surface duo and it's the perfect system for ds emulation
I got the steam deck and it's the best emulation for everything lol
@@chaoscontrol6755 You got me there, aint nothing beating the steam deck in power and price
Thanks for another great video! When I first saw the specs on this thing a couple of months ago, I was thinking it wasn't worth more than $99. After seeing your review here, I finally understand what Logitech was going for here. 12 hours of gaming is pretty spectacular, but at it's current price (which is much more than I expected it to launch at), this is a hard pass for me. I agree that this shouldn't be priced above $199, and if it ever goes on sale for under $150, I would maybe consider picking it up!
The ANBERNIC RG552 is okay at 199 usd.
how is a snapdragon 720G fast?
This makes me wonder - if Google had invested its stadia funding into launching an android handheld focused on Google Play Pass + streaming with custom built snapdragon powerhouse, it could've easily been the device to lead gaming industry to developments in ARM architecture. Steam deck is great, but having lighter and powerful yet efficient handheld at an affordable price sounds pretty compelling. Sad to see portable gaming stuck in x86 devices, when clearly ARM is the future in every department.
Its overpriced, but its a really cool device. I can see me picking one up once it goes on sale.
why?
@@gothicm3rcy426 I like collecting cool tech, and if it ever drops to a reasonable price like $100 id pick it up.
Thanks for the quick look!
- What is the streaming quality (bitrate) of Xcloud? It is noticeably worse for me on Android than Windows.
- Did you notice any thermal throttling running more intensive games or emulation?
- I noticed some gaps in the case between the grip and faceplate, was that damage from someone taking it apart?
- How are the analog thumbsticks compared to the Switch, Odin, and Steam Deck?
wow that is so much thinner than the promotional images looked like
If they did this with the Gen1 chip this would be a killer device
Razer Edge
@@KyleRuggles I will use Moonlight on it if it has better cooling solution than my samsung phone which gets too hot.
@@madarasoun3018 hate the detachable controller idea
@@lordhashimoto4035 me too.
@@lordhashimoto4035 Why I think it's better so you can use it as an android tablet as well
I love Logitech. It’s the only reason I’m so interested but they have to do something that differentiates this from the steam deck but in a positive for the price they are selling it. Like a year of GFN, included wireless earbuds etc. or drop the price by half
I d rather buy a steamdeck
Ok
@@bulletpunch9317 nice l33t b0y
@@bulletpunch9317 i know they are two different device but when i see this one i see a cheap phone with 4 go ram and a cheap snapdragon
If you will, please do moonlight tests, moonlight is the only cloud streaming I care about, I currently use an old iPad as my moonlight device, if this thing goes on sale which it will from poor sales, this could make a perfect moonlight device. And double down as a tablet. iPads have weird resolutions and moonlight does great to adjust but PC games don’t. I have a proxmox server with a dedicated gaming VM I turn on when i leave the house. It’s basically my steam deck but no hardware needed. Just a device to put moonlight on
6:26 Congrats on that camera microphone. The noise direction capture is so good that it made me look down at my laptop to see if was coming from it. And yeas, I am using headphones, and a very cheap one.
Man, I can't get Gran Turismo 4 to run well on my Steam Deck, so it's wild to see it running great on this! I know it would be extremely specific to only a smaller number of viewers, but I would love to have some ETA Prime help in setting up PCSX2 for some games on Steam Deck. Gran Turismo 4, NBA St. Vol. 2, and other harder to run games that people may have encountered.
Dude, get batocera on steam deck, games run really good on it
gt4 runs great on deck. Your settings probably need tweaking.
this thing wont run anything like ps2 games with much success.... it waa made for streaming
At $200 this would be a great price point, but at this price point I’d have a difficult time choosing this versus and RP3. The RP3 although not as powerful can do enough emulation plus cloud gaming at half the price. It looks great hopefully they can reduce the $ down the line.
RP3 stands for which portable console name?
@@fuelhemi426Retroid Pocket 3
I bet you could also get an optiplex, an SSD, a used GPU and an RP3 for about $350. This GCloud is insanely overpriced.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
The retroid pocket 3GB RAM model is 140 USD + Tax + Shipping (+ Customs for most countries) you will be lucky to get it under 230 USD (converted). For streaming/cloud you don't get access to a 1080p screen, analog triggers, a proper ergonomic design and analog sticks. I will be very curious to see which type of warranty support will you have with retroid, specially when compared with logitech.
Wow, those analogue sticks are TOWERS!
Meh, it's alright, great price for 2x resolution in God of War for PSP though I'd like to see Shadow of the Colossus or God of War on PS2 running. Nice to see Logitech joining the race for the perfect handheld.
Great review on a new product. =D
I'm goooo glad I got the Ayaneo Air Pro instead...the extra power over devices like the Logitech still amazes me.
That $399 razer shud be even more interesting
Utter junk, use your phone and get a attachable controller and you have the same thing
And with a higher end CPU in most cases
i would have been sold asap if it had a better SoC. Also i would definitely like to see moonlight app performance
I just wish they would make more bluetooth controllers for 8 inch tablets I like making my own gaming handhelds out of small powerful tablets.
Ergonomics are absolutely my top priority, so it hurts especially bad for me that this just has a few flaws that make it really hard to justify. If it had a newer processor so it was more capable in emulsion/android gaming, I would buy it in a heartbeat. Or if it was like $250. I don’t even care about cloud gaming, I just want a device for Android gaming/emulation and local streaming.
i find myself loving my steamdeck more and more everyday. It gives me that feeling I used to have when I got a new console or pc as a kid. Like geting the ps2 in 2001. So much to love and learn with it, with amazing tech/support for the perfect price. Upgradable modular(with dock) and a tinkerer's dream handheld. I hear other say the same thing and its true for me as well that i find myself playing more games then i have been esp. since busy. I got my DreaMachine desktop pc, but the SteaMachine is a great 2nd at home and 1 when out sorry not sorry iphone 13promax. Great video! I love my Logitech perifs but the company has theeee worst customer service ive ever experienced so that makes this a huge No along with the processor.
I just can’t get over the “Made by Leapfrog” aesthetic…
This device has replaced my switch , steam deck, snd pc. Even my android devices. Best all around device and gaming device i have bought in years.
The Odin pro is better with a similar price
Ok
I've got an Odin Pro and while it is more powerful than the G Cloud, I think the ergonomics and the larger screen of the G Cloud are superior. The high price tag, weaker chipset, and no upgrade to Wifi 6, though, make it a bit of a wash for me...
Good luck getting one any time soon though. Ayn’s shipping has been at a snails pace with hardly any updates at all.
The big benefit of the new Razer Edge is definitely being able to detach the controller if you want to play touch screen games.
I haven't even thought about that as a benefit but you're not wrong that's a good point
Nice device(love your white device line-up comparison). Speaking of comparisons, any chance of a Razer Edge review to follow up this device?
I rented this device and it will be delivered tomorrow. Have 40 days to test it out. Pretty cool. I highly recommend renting first
How do you rent it
Poco X3 NFC very similar, can get it cheap and add a Game Sir joystick and you get the same thing for less...
Wonder if it will come down any around Black Friday? If so I'm most likely going to get one to replace my phone/kishi setup. I really like the idea of having a dedicated android device like this over taking my phone out of the case and connecting it to the kishi when I want to play something.
Just use your current phone after you replaced it. Even 200$ is way too much for this.
@@mephistovonfaust I'm not putting the money down by any means yet. I want to see the sale price. That said I have yet to find a comfortable phone controller pairing that works for me.
@@michaelb2westgaedu backbone just released their android controller I think
I’m pretty confident the price of this will go down for Black Friday.
would be nice. but I think black Friday is probably too soon. EOFY makes more sense
My dream will be to have all these apps in my nintendo switch
I’m more interested in the Steam Deck, but can the Deck run Android emulators for mobile games? Not interested in dual booting.
This would have been nice if they up there SOC to 800 series and the ram to 6 or 8 gig, I’m digging the design but the spec just made it a letdown, I know it’s for cloud gaming but it would been nice if it can handle some beefy emulation.
Price is too high for what basically is a thin client.
For the same price I can play without a premium metered connection and a monthly service
Steam deck is nice and all, but the form factor on this Logitech is sooooooo much nicer. Hopefully this ushers in an era of more capable handhelds that arent like lugging around a surfboard.
There is a trick to work around the tencent/activision games not supporting other controllers. What you have to do is connect a wireless xbox controller through bluetooth and then any other controller that is plugged in through type c will work for those games. Hopes this helps ETA!
It is basically an Android phone with a build in game controller, but without cellular.
They nailed the form factor, and battery life isn't stress-inducing - two factors that have held me back from the Steam Deck. But for the asking price, the G-Cloud needs a Snapdragon 865 or slightly better to compete. As-is, the performance isn't too much better than the RP3 for more than twice the cost.
Edit: And I still want to know why the hell Tencent needed to be involved.
If you’re just streaming on the Steam Deck, you’ll get around 7 or 8 hours of battery. You only get 1 1/2 or 2 hours when playing a modern AAA title. And if you have more free time than that to play video games you need a job.
@@David-ro1sb It's not so much continuous use as intervals between charging and use vs little time to play.
@@clc6433 Fair enough. Also, I too fear Tencent's increasing involvement in the gaming industry... Their tendrils are everywhere...
You wanted a Steam Deck for christmas but parents get you this.
There are so many good retro compilations on the Switch that I seriously have no need for any of these devices. That said, this device looks REALLY nice. I would consider it if I was more into modern games.
Having the Odin Pro, the G Cloud's weaker chipset and lack of Wifi 6 is a major bummer at it's price point. Sucks because I think the G Cloud's larger screen and ergonomics look like a step up. This outer hardware paired with a more current chipset would've made it an instant purchase for me.
I agree with done other commenters that this is going to do in price real fast. The recently announced Razer Edge is $50 more with a better processor and screen as well as more internal storage. Yes the Steam Deck is also $50 more but I personally don't have much interest in PC gaming. Just about anything I'd want to play is a few years old is considered retro and can stream from my laptop. Samw goes for emulation. I don't really need to bring PC games out with me. If I ever have the time to play something while in out of the house, it's usually a retro game. I'd rather have the smaller footprint and multiuse of a 6" Android tablet
$460 canadian (according to Amazon). At only $40 cheaper then the cheapest SteamDeck ($499 canadian), it's a hard buy... The SteamDeck is just a crazy device for the price.
Really like this for a full time emulation machine
I really like the user interface of the game game launcher!
Gives Steam big picture combined with Windows Vista vibes - beautiful !
This seems like it'd be a great upgrade from my aging 2015 GPD XD, but damn that price - for that much I just couldn't justify it :(
Ayn Odin Lite was a great upgrade for me from my XD+
i still have a gpd :) i just use steam deck now :)
This seems like a really nice balance of features for someone who wants to run older games with great battery life. My interest is piqued.
The price is such a disappointment, I was ready to order one towards the end of the video. I already have a Steam Deck so I guess I’ll just add emulation and cloud gaming. Bro, I can’t stress enough how much I appreciate your channel and what you do for the gaming and retro community.
watch the wmudeck 2.0 tutorials.... you will love emudeck
Really interesting little device. I don't think it's enough to make me give up playing my Nintendo Switch. I think I may go down the Steam Deck route in the future.
I preordered the one announced from Razor instead of this and so far i think I might have made the right choice. I use a Galaxy Tab S7+ for most of my emulation (that and now steam deck). The Razors specs look to be a good bump up and I don't know why but I feel better about walking around with a $500 android tablet than a steam deck. I'm afraid of dropping the deck but have no issue throwing the android tablet around. Eventhough they're the same price! I'm crazy I know 😅
Why do people keep saying tablet? Look at the damn pictures and specs, it is literally a phone screen
@@samgoff5289 people probably call it a tablet since it is technically not a phone, especially if you buy the version with Wi-Fi only
@@MithosDagon most tablets can make phone calls...that's not the point. The size is literally just a phone
I think the razer is more tailored to playing actual android games instead of streaming console/pc games due to its wider aspect ratio. Does seem very good for the price though
@@samgoff5289 it isn't a phone if it doesn't make calls.
The steam deck just blows this away. I mean it makes sense. Valve is selling the deck at a loss but make up the money in game sales. Logitech cannot do that. And with the deck now in stock between it and this device it's a no brainer imo.
Well, the Steam Deck also have a (far?) worse screen, worse battery life, is heavier and more expensive. For someone only concerned with playing cloud games (local or over the Internet), this could still be a contender.
LOL the startup animation gives me chills: I see it all the time as I am constantly having to restart G HUB after it all my keyboard macros inevitably stop working because it has decided to s**t itself
9:05 I can hear your frustration pretty clear there. It absolutely sucks when the company is just unwilling to add support for third-party controllers while it is absolutely possible to do.
My brother's in Christ if you buy this at 299 .99 you deserve to be bullied
I laughed when they said 349.99
Can you test local remote play on PS5/Xbox?
Xbox app should support it and for PS5 there's an android app called PSPlay for 3rd party controllers.
PSPlay works. The official PS Remote app doesn’t (because of the 3rd party controller issue). PSPlay recognizes the controller, and works.
Spot on. I have a Steam Deck and still would pick this up for $199 for home streaming or long away-from-battery situations, but $349 is way, way too much without WiFi 6.
720G bro.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
The audio quality in this video is really good. What audio equipment do you use ETA?
So what you're saying is grab an ANBERNIC RG503 or WIN600
I thought it was 200 and even at that price I thought it was too expensive. if it was on sale for 150 maybe, but most people that could buy this thing already having a phone outperforming it by I mile. So it would be way cheaper to buy a good controller and a battery.
at 350 it costs as much as the loki mini pro with the i3 upgrade, whole the odin mini would probably outperform it for a 100 bucks less.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
This thing is cool, in my opinion it’s like a steam deck and the Nintendo switch and the best thing is about that console it has Google play store
Thanks Prime!, very intrested in your full emulation review.
While I appreciate ETA has to keep ‘em happy, I really don’t see how anyone could be excited to pick this thing up. It’s just rotten and represents everything the corporations are desperately trying to push on us. On the plus side, we have Steam Decks readily available now so this thing can hurry up and disappear.
yeah Valve isn't trying to push anything on you. How long you work for them?
@@kevinbbadd They’re not and I don’t. There’s a whole Linux OS behind there and you can do with it whatever you heart pleases.
@@obvious_giraffe8386 me too, especially as reviews are now coming in that trash the device. It’s pretty clear what’s going on here and it’s time to unsubscribe.
This needs at least a SD865.
Thank you. Awesome first look!
This thing would be pretty cool at the right price point. I would totally pick one up for maybe $200 or $250. Probably will only have to wait a few months for that to happen, I bet.
Even then there was some Android consoles in the portable market with the 8:45 chip earlier this year that came with the dock that were like 250.
I'm actually kinda impressed with the performance, I already have a steam deck and theres no way id pay $300+ for this but if it dropped to 200-250ish id likely pick one up to replace my current gaming phone I use with a kishi. I also have noticed 200-250 is what phones with similar specs are currently selling for new and there is a few older phones with better chips that go for about 200 or so (note 9 with snapdragon 845 is usually sub $200 and likely is a more powerful device its just not as clean looking and doesn't have the nice launcher) hopefully Logitech realizes this is overpriced for what it is and drops the price because id love to pick one up just not at this current price.
129 - 169 €/$ is ok - but no cent more... for 350 €/$ u can get a "MOTOROLA G200 5G" (SD888+, 8GB RAM, 128 MMC, Cams, DESKTOP MODE, 4&5G, WIFI6, .... )
I mean this feels like it's not a product for everybody. It feels subpar
Yes, I would absolutely be interested if the price was lower. I have a steam deck, so I'll be playing that instead. You can get a retroid for so much cheaper and run a lot of the same things, or just play on your phone.
Hey ETA, you still planning on doing a setup video for Batocera on the deck?
At its price point the steam deck brings better specs and software. And for cheaper, the switch lite brings a smaller package. It looks like it has the best mix of looks from both consoles, I just wish it could run windows and play indie games really well. It looks so comfortable
I’m laughing at the first person I see with one of these…
It was a pretty good device but price was absolute joke.
@@04_ruizatanedy24 I suppose a proper price would make this appealing. But even then, a cheap phone with those specs could still be ultimately more useful overall.
I think that especially with the sake right now this thing is awesome
Couldn't care less about "cloud gaming" but love watching ETA videos.
Tencent...lol no thank you...
You will be shock at how many games in your library that they partially own lol
I’m disappointed in Logitech and you
Why
Why you being toxic smh
@@iHateStevenRice You’re not gonna buy it anyway. 😂
@@David-ro1sb I got it lol picked it up from best buy an hour ago see I don't assume things I speak on actual things I see I pre ordered so yeah I was already invested
@@iHateStevenRice congrats on being the beta tester for a DOA product. Enjoy Stadia on your new paperweight. 🤣
Super excited to get mine!!!
They really need to add screen mapping software for android games that doesn't support controllers natively.