This so true. Like you cant have the zenin clan be on of the most powerful and also one of the most stupid clans, you would think that a clan thats been around for centuries would actually respect Toji for becoming better than most sorcerers, since they are all about the power dynamics. Not just that, but back in the beginning of the manga the zenin seemed like a powerhouse, with tradition and a mysterious aura, but i think Gege wasnt ready to write an interest political dispute between clans and just decided to wipe em out.
I mean. 10 shadows is a zenin clan thong. As well as projection sorcery. They are a bunch of elitist assholes together, but they do play a good part in maki story. Yes theyre dumb but the "kick out itachi because his sharingan glows the wrong color".. its more like kicking out a member because they have no chakra use
There is also Mai's technique which Yoruzu also had which maybe hints to her being related to the Zenin clan. I feel they could have been written much better if the gave any justification or sense to Why they refuse people with cursed energy. Toji was able to defeat pre awakening Gojo and would have made Gojo gone for good if he aimed for the head. So just passing him and treating someone like the Zenin head who's projection look is literally a lesson of how animation is made (the 24 frames thingy) with all that respect makes 0 sense. I think I nailed it with the clip 😂
Also in Naruto we had Rock Lee a ninja who can't use any ninjutsu people treated him like crap when he was still weak but when he got stronger they treated him with respect.
I was with you for the first 6 minutes and then the video suddenly turned into an anti-feminist rant like-- OK. Equality between men and women isn't some evil political agenda, it's common sense.
Equality is Cool. But there is a clear difference between wanting equality and saying women are perfect and men are the problem. The Zenin clan turned from hating maki because she has no cursed energy to hating her because she is a woman. Gege introduced Naoya who's only job is to be a misogynist. He made maki's father decide to unalive Mai for no reason. The Zenin were okay with maki's sister. Now they hate her too for no reason. One of my favourite characters in anime is Saber from the Fate series. She is depicted in the anime as a super powerful woman with overpowered abilities. I like saber. But I don't like post shibuya maki. You see both Saber and Maki had there overpoweredness based on a male character. Saber is King Arthur if he was a girl. While Maki turned into Toji if he was a girl. Saber was strong. She fought male characters and was able to annihilate them often in the anime. But she wasn't trying to send a message of hatred generalising all men and saying all of them are evil when she did. Her enemies were evil and they just happened to be men. They weren't evil because they were men. Maki turned to a Toji clone who was just out there to say, hey I can do everything that men can do. Toji had 10 times as much trauma as Maki. He was thrown into a pit filled with cursed spirit when he was a kid. He had zero friends and zero support. The greatest form of trauma maki faced before her sister's death was that her relatives kept badmouthing her. She had friends, she had support and protection from Gojo. Toji could have ended the Zenin clan but he chose not to. So giving maki all his powers out of nowhere and making her kill all her relatives and family without even hesitating or sheding a single tear. Then returning her cousin back from the dead as the female reproductive organ just so she could kill him again. This is bad writing. She lost depth. She became the embodiment of the point I stated above. She did all that to her family and felt zero regret and had no second thoughts. She was Perfect while all the Zenin clan men were evil. I used to really like Maki and her development. But butchering her development to just send the message that men are bad is not good writing. Feminism used to mean equality at first. But if you spend a minute on any social media platform you can tell that feminists don't want equality anymore. They want to be acknowledged as perfect beings who make no mistakes while saying that men are the reason why everything in the world is bad. I just realised that you left the video because I was ranting about how this feminism was bad. And then decided to write a long comment ranting about how it's bad. K guess I will just hit send.
I really like Toji and also like Maki(specially before her power up), but i agree, the Zen'in clan make no sense, no clans make any sense on JJK, actually JJK's world logic don't make much sense.
A theory which explains JJK's lack of world building is that Gege got a burnout midway but since he had a contact with Shonen Jump it wasn't just easy to take a long break until his inspiration came back. This explains why the culling game, maki's arc and the other battles like Kenjaku surviving a Black Hole but losing to a walking comic book and a sucker punch from Yuta. Half baked. But hey atleast Yuta vs the 4 I don't remember their name, Gojo vs Sukuna, Kenjaku vs Yuki and choso were pretty good
The zenin clan members having different CT isn't bad it's like if everyone in the Uchiha have the same itachi MS it simply wouldn't make itachi special the zenin clan have the inherited ten shadows that's enough many characters having the same CT isn't a jjk type of thing Zenin clan having that mindset twords maki and Toji make sense CE is everything maki without CE or cursed tool can't beat the weakest cursed spirit even the hyuga clan have a s lave mark just to keep the main house on the top Gojo is his entire clan isn't bad it's like how hashirama, tobirama and Tsunade are the entire senju clan actually we don't even know why Tsunade is the only senju they just suddenly disappear Maki was obvious not the underdog who want to prove herself to her clan she easily dominated miwa and mai even gojo admitted that her rank should be higher
1- it's not the same as the mangekyo sharingan. They are supposed to be a family so they should have atleast a clan technique they all share or somewhat similar. All the Uchiha have the ability to awaken the sharingan but only a select few have the mangekyo. It would have been cool if they all had different types of shadow animals techniques with the Ten Shadows being their Mangekyo. 2- it makes sense with Maki. But no way in heck does it make sense that they choose to leave Toji out of the Clan 💀 Bro can single-handedly cook all of JJK's characters for breakfast. It's like choosing to release your level 100 hundred Rayquaza because he isn't an ice type pokemon. The Hyugas had the Main and Branch families mark thingy to prevent them from killing each other for control which makes sense. They don't want to end up like the Uchiha 💀. But the Zenin Clan refuses people without cursed energy even if they are strong because they are racist. Which is dumb. 3- It wouldn't be bad if they didnt keep referring to it as one of the three major clans who rule the Jujutsu world. Senjuu had people in it. Hashirama and Tobirama are the focus. But there brothers were mentioned a couple of times and their deaths had significance to the plot We saw a couple of scenes which signified the War between them and the Uchiha. We know exactly why they are important and how their decisions shaped Narutos Ninja World. Gojo clan has a total of 4 members ever mentioned. 5 if you count Gojo's mom. 1- Their 1000 year ago strong ancestor. 2- The one that Kenjaku killed. 3- The one who came out of nowhere to piss Kenjaku off. 4-Gojo Satoru. Satoru was the only one who had screen time. The others didn't even say a single line of dialogue. 4- I liked that Maki. But I didn't like how she just became a copy of Toji instead of Having her own special powers. I Liked how they made her focus on how good she is with cursed tools and how she relies on them. But instead of expanding that idea and giving her Toji's weird purple curse thingy which has a variety of Cursed tools. Gege just gave her steroids and a sword.
@IamNotMoistCr1tikal 1- only select few of the zenin clan have a CT so it's the same as MS and the Uchiha are suppose to be a family so their MS should be similar or close to each other but it's not 2- it's like if you have a max lvl fire Pokemon but all of your enemies are immune to fire Also that's no different than our world many don't have the chance to show what they're capable of because they don't have connections so they travel to another country that welcome smart people Also did you just justify the hyuga ⛓️???? 💀 The Uchiha head clan also wanted the coup so the ⛓️ ain't changing the outcome 3- buddy 3 known members of an entire clan isn't different than 1 especially when that clan is the senju 4- the only similar thing about her and Toji is the weapons maki ain't killing children for money
1- not really. The problem is that there cursed techniques have zero resemblance to one another. Naoya's technique has zero connection to megumi's 10 shadows and both of them have zero connection to Mai's creation technique and her father's simple domain or whatever kuskabi type stuff he was trying to do to Maki. All the Uchiha's have the sharingan some awaken it some don't. The Sharingan works pretty much the same for each and every one of them. The magkeyo is a rare upgrade which only a very few members unlock. And the mangekyo doesn't just give them their respective unique powers like shisui's genjutsu and obito's void dimension. It also gives them a Susanoo which they all have and it has the drawback of making its user go blind if it is used excessively. Naoya's projection is inspired from the 24 frames in animation. Megumi's 10 shadows are inspired from yo kai and his mahoraga from Buddhism , I believe. While Mai's creation technique is just a classic ability in all anime like yaoyuruzu's creation quirk from MHA. These three abilities have zero connection. The mangekyo is connected to the sharingan, the sharingan is connected to the Uchiha. While projection, creation and 10 shadows are not connected to each other and the 10 shadows is the only one the Zenin is known for. 2- In maki's case it's understanble why they wouldn't want her because she can't even see cursed Spirits. But in Toji's case it's stupid for them to obey their no cursed energy= useless rule. Toji is stronger than any cursed spirit in his time. He was able to kill Gojo and didn't even see Geto as a worthy opponent. Gojo and Geto were the top 2 strongest sorcerers at that time. So it's not that he was a pokemon who uses fire moves against pokemon who are immune. Its having a Rayquaza and choosing to release him because he is not an ice type. I didn't justify the Hyuuga but I said it makes sense. Just like Thanos's Snap and Madara's infinite tsukyumi. They had noble goals. But the means that they used to achieve their goals is what made them villains. 3- 3 is the number of the main Senjuu Clan memebers. It's 1 clan out of 10s of clans in Naruto. Gojo's Clan is said to be a major Clan of 3 clans in JJK. Gojo's Clan is supposed to weight the same importance in JJK as the Uchiha weights in Naruto. Naruto has bad clans and clans which are not fully explored like Minato's Namikaze and the Uzumaki Clan. But they are just 2 out of probably 20 or more. The Uchiha, Hyuuga and Otsutsuki Clans are the main clans in Naruto. We see numerous members of each one. They feel like actual connected relative and not just a bunch of random people sharing the same sur name. 4- Maki didn't just copy the tools. She got her power from a heavenly pact the same way toji did. And toji was the only one who had super unimaginable human strength prior to that. Everyone else needed Cursed energy. Maki to Toji is like She-Hulk to Hulk. Hulk is the main thing while She-Hulk is a derivative from him.
@@midnightcritic 1- My friend simple domain isn't a CT it's a barrier technique anyone can learn it like rasengan or fire ball jutsu for example it didn't even start with zenin you're mixing stuff here also MS being an upgrade doesn't change anything their abilities are different and their susanoo are different too Also Sukuna stated that CT does change by the mindset and the era of the user even if they have the same CT 2- Toji is stronger than any cursed spirit in his time means nothing all of the cursed spirits in his time are average only kids struggle with them the disaster curses didn't appear until ten years after his death and he only beat a nerfed gojo and geto thanks to his equipments if it wasn't for that they would easily beat him Hyuga royal house have no noble goal or justified reason they simply wanted to stay on the top of their clan it's like a king puting a chain on you neck to make sure you don't do anything without his word 3- senju and Uchiha are the founders of konoha village the other clans just appeared recently having only 3 members of an important clan that is related to the founder of the entire ninja history makes no sense especially when hashirama DNA is related to half of the problems in Naruto not just senju we only know 5 characters of hyuga too and 3 of them are hardly doing anything actually they all did nothing to the story at all until the movie the last The gojo clan isn't that important being one of the big 3 clans in jjk only mean that you're one of the 3 strongest clans in Japan it have nothing to do with history of jujutsu especially when there's only 5 clans in Japan anyway 4- wasn't obvious? since season 1 maki was stated to not be able to see curses or use CE but she was crazy strong like any sorcerer and toji can't see cursed spirits he only use other senses to locate them
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This so true. Like you cant have the zenin clan be on of the most powerful and also one of the most stupid clans, you would think that a clan thats been around for centuries would actually respect Toji for becoming better than most sorcerers, since they are all about the power dynamics.
Not just that, but back in the beginning of the manga the zenin seemed like a powerhouse, with tradition and a mysterious aura, but i think Gege wasnt ready to write an interest political dispute between clans and just decided to wipe em out.
I mean. 10 shadows is a zenin clan thong. As well as projection sorcery. They are a bunch of elitist assholes together, but they do play a good part in maki story. Yes theyre dumb but the "kick out itachi because his sharingan glows the wrong color".. its more like kicking out a member because they have no chakra use
No, the better analogy would be if Fugaku kicked Sasuke off the clan bc his main element transformation is lightning and not fire.
There is also Mai's technique which Yoruzu also had which maybe hints to her being related to the Zenin clan. I feel they could have been written much better if the gave any justification or sense to Why they refuse people with cursed energy. Toji was able to defeat pre awakening Gojo and would have made Gojo gone for good if he aimed for the head. So just passing him and treating someone like the Zenin head who's projection look is literally a lesson of how animation is made (the 24 frames thingy) with all that respect makes 0 sense. I think I nailed it with the clip 😂
Also in Naruto we had Rock Lee a ninja who can't use any ninjutsu people treated him like crap when he was still weak but when he got stronger they treated him with respect.
I was with you for the first 6 minutes and then the video suddenly turned into an anti-feminist rant like-- OK. Equality between men and women isn't some evil political agenda, it's common sense.
Equality is Cool. But there is a clear difference between wanting equality and saying women are perfect and men are the problem. The Zenin clan turned from hating maki because she has no cursed energy to hating her because she is a woman. Gege introduced Naoya who's only job is to be a misogynist. He made maki's father decide to unalive Mai for no reason. The Zenin were okay with maki's sister. Now they hate her too for no reason. One of my favourite characters in anime is Saber from the Fate series. She is depicted in the anime as a super powerful woman with overpowered abilities. I like saber. But I don't like post shibuya maki. You see both Saber and Maki had there overpoweredness based on a male character. Saber is King Arthur if he was a girl. While Maki turned into Toji if he was a girl. Saber was strong. She fought male characters and was able to annihilate them often in the anime. But she wasn't trying to send a message of hatred generalising all men and saying all of them are evil when she did. Her enemies were evil and they just happened to be men. They weren't evil because they were men. Maki turned to a Toji clone who was just out there to say, hey I can do everything that men can do. Toji had 10 times as much trauma as Maki. He was thrown into a pit filled with cursed spirit when he was a kid. He had zero friends and zero support. The greatest form of trauma maki faced before her sister's death was that her relatives kept badmouthing her. She had friends, she had support and protection from Gojo. Toji could have ended the Zenin clan but he chose not to. So giving maki all his powers out of nowhere and making her kill all her relatives and family without even hesitating or sheding a single tear. Then returning her cousin back from the dead as the female reproductive organ just so she could kill him again. This is bad writing. She lost depth. She became the embodiment of the point I stated above. She did all that to her family and felt zero regret and had no second thoughts. She was Perfect while all the Zenin clan men were evil. I used to really like Maki and her development. But butchering her development to just send the message that men are bad is not good writing. Feminism used to mean equality at first. But if you spend a minute on any social media platform you can tell that feminists don't want equality anymore. They want to be acknowledged as perfect beings who make no mistakes while saying that men are the reason why everything in the world is bad. I just realised that you left the video because I was ranting about how this feminism was bad. And then decided to write a long comment ranting about how it's bad. K guess I will just hit send.
I really like Toji and also like Maki(specially before her power up), but i agree, the Zen'in clan make no sense, no clans make any sense on JJK, actually JJK's world logic don't make much sense.
A theory which explains JJK's lack of world building is that Gege got a burnout midway but since he had a contact with Shonen Jump it wasn't just easy to take a long break until his inspiration came back. This explains why the culling game, maki's arc and the other battles like Kenjaku surviving a Black Hole but losing to a walking comic book and a sucker punch from Yuta. Half baked. But hey atleast Yuta vs the 4 I don't remember their name, Gojo vs Sukuna, Kenjaku vs Yuki and choso were pretty good
The zenin clan members having different CT isn't bad it's like if everyone in the Uchiha have the same itachi MS it simply wouldn't make itachi special the zenin clan have the inherited ten shadows that's enough many characters having the same CT isn't a jjk type of thing
Zenin clan having that mindset twords maki and Toji make sense CE is everything maki without CE or cursed tool can't beat the weakest cursed spirit even the hyuga clan have a s lave mark just to keep the main house on the top
Gojo is his entire clan isn't bad it's like how hashirama, tobirama and Tsunade are the entire senju clan actually we don't even know why Tsunade is the only senju they just suddenly disappear
Maki was obvious not the underdog who want to prove herself to her clan she easily dominated miwa and mai even gojo admitted that her rank should be higher
1- it's not the same as the mangekyo sharingan. They are supposed to be a family so they should have atleast a clan technique they all share or somewhat similar. All the Uchiha have the ability to awaken the sharingan but only a select few have the mangekyo. It would have been cool if they all had different types of shadow animals techniques with the Ten Shadows being their Mangekyo.
2- it makes sense with Maki. But no way in heck does it make sense that they choose to leave Toji out of the Clan 💀 Bro can single-handedly cook all of JJK's characters for breakfast. It's like choosing to release your level 100 hundred Rayquaza because he isn't an ice type pokemon.
The Hyugas had the Main and Branch families mark thingy to prevent them from killing each other for control which makes sense. They don't want to end up like the Uchiha 💀.
But the Zenin Clan refuses people without cursed energy even if they are strong because they are racist. Which is dumb.
3- It wouldn't be bad if they didnt keep referring to it as one of the three major clans who rule the Jujutsu world. Senjuu had people in it. Hashirama and Tobirama are the focus. But there brothers were mentioned a couple of times and their deaths had significance to the plot We saw a couple of scenes which signified the War between them and the Uchiha. We know exactly why they are important and how their decisions shaped Narutos Ninja World. Gojo clan has a total of 4 members ever mentioned. 5 if you count Gojo's mom. 1- Their 1000 year ago strong ancestor. 2- The one that Kenjaku killed. 3- The one who came out of nowhere to piss Kenjaku off. 4-Gojo Satoru. Satoru was the only one who had screen time. The others didn't even say a single line of dialogue.
4- I liked that Maki. But I didn't like how she just became a copy of Toji instead of Having her own special powers. I Liked how they made her focus on how good she is with cursed tools and how she relies on them. But instead of expanding that idea and giving her Toji's weird purple curse thingy which has a variety of Cursed tools. Gege just gave her steroids and a sword.
@IamNotMoistCr1tikal 1- only select few of the zenin clan have a CT so it's the same as MS and the Uchiha are suppose to be a family so their MS should be similar or close to each other but it's not
2- it's like if you have a max lvl fire Pokemon but all of your enemies are immune to fire
Also that's no different than our world many don't have the chance to show what they're capable of because they don't have connections so they travel to another country that welcome smart people
Also did you just justify the hyuga ⛓️???? 💀
The Uchiha head clan also wanted the coup so the ⛓️ ain't changing the outcome
3- buddy 3 known members of an entire clan isn't different than 1 especially when that clan is the senju
4- the only similar thing about her and Toji is the weapons maki ain't killing children for money
1- not really. The problem is that there cursed techniques have zero resemblance to one another. Naoya's technique has zero connection to megumi's 10 shadows and both of them have zero connection to Mai's creation technique and her father's simple domain or whatever kuskabi type stuff he was trying to do to Maki. All the Uchiha's have the sharingan some awaken it some don't. The Sharingan works pretty much the same for each and every one of them. The magkeyo is a rare upgrade which only a very few members unlock. And the mangekyo doesn't just give them their respective unique powers like shisui's genjutsu and obito's void dimension. It also gives them a Susanoo which they all have and it has the drawback of making its user go blind if it is used excessively. Naoya's projection is inspired from the 24 frames in animation. Megumi's 10 shadows are inspired from yo kai and his mahoraga from Buddhism , I believe. While Mai's creation technique is just a classic ability in all anime like yaoyuruzu's creation quirk from MHA. These three abilities have zero connection. The mangekyo is connected to the sharingan, the sharingan is connected to the Uchiha. While projection, creation and 10 shadows are not connected to each other and the 10 shadows is the only one the Zenin is known for.
2- In maki's case it's understanble why they wouldn't want her because she can't even see cursed Spirits. But in Toji's case it's stupid for them to obey their no cursed energy= useless rule. Toji is stronger than any cursed spirit in his time. He was able to kill Gojo and didn't even see Geto as a worthy opponent. Gojo and Geto were the top 2 strongest sorcerers at that time. So it's not that he was a pokemon who uses fire moves against pokemon who are immune. Its having a Rayquaza and choosing to release him because he is not an ice type.
I didn't justify the Hyuuga but I said it makes sense. Just like Thanos's Snap and Madara's infinite tsukyumi. They had noble goals. But the means that they used to achieve their goals is what made them villains.
3- 3 is the number of the main Senjuu Clan memebers. It's 1 clan out of 10s of clans in Naruto. Gojo's Clan is said to be a major Clan of 3 clans in JJK. Gojo's Clan is supposed to weight the same importance in JJK as the Uchiha weights in Naruto. Naruto has bad clans and clans which are not fully explored like Minato's Namikaze and the Uzumaki Clan. But they are just 2 out of probably 20 or more. The Uchiha, Hyuuga and Otsutsuki Clans are the main clans in Naruto. We see numerous members of each one. They feel like actual connected relative and not just a bunch of random people sharing the same sur name.
4- Maki didn't just copy the tools. She got her power from a heavenly pact the same way toji did. And toji was the only one who had super unimaginable human strength prior to that. Everyone else needed Cursed energy. Maki to Toji is like She-Hulk to Hulk. Hulk is the main thing while She-Hulk is a derivative from him.
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@@midnightcritic 1- My friend simple domain isn't a CT it's a barrier technique anyone can learn it like rasengan or fire ball jutsu for example it didn't even start with zenin you're mixing stuff here also MS being an upgrade doesn't change anything their abilities are different and their susanoo are different too
Also Sukuna stated that CT does change by the mindset and the era of the user even if they have the same CT
2- Toji is stronger than any cursed spirit in his time means nothing all of the cursed spirits in his time are average only kids struggle with them the disaster curses didn't appear until ten years after his death and he only beat a nerfed gojo and geto thanks to his equipments if it wasn't for that they would easily beat him
Hyuga royal house have no noble goal or justified reason they simply wanted to stay on the top of their clan it's like a king puting a chain on you neck to make sure you don't do anything without his word
3- senju and Uchiha are the founders of konoha village the other clans just appeared recently having only 3 members of an important clan that is related to the founder of the entire ninja history makes no sense especially when hashirama DNA is related to half of the problems in Naruto not just senju we only know 5 characters of hyuga too and 3 of them are hardly doing anything actually they all did nothing to the story at all until the movie the last
The gojo clan isn't that important being one of the big 3 clans in jjk only mean that you're one of the 3 strongest clans in Japan it have nothing to do with history of jujutsu especially when there's only 5 clans in Japan anyway
4- wasn't obvious? since season 1 maki was stated to not be able to see curses or use CE but she was crazy strong like any sorcerer and toji can't see cursed spirits he only use other senses to locate them
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It had fights it was gud