so called 'hair pin' (rectangular wiring) as far as i remember was first used and patented by JBL for their copper wire speaker electromagnet wiring. from the 70s
The efficiency of the synchronous three-phase motor is already above 90%, so I don't see much to be gained from efforts outside of battery improvement.
Electric vehicles are a stopgap clean emission vehicle. However battery technology is 30 years old. They need large improvements. Only minor improvements have occurred on the battery front. In contrast hydrogen fuel contains a raw energy. The proper ICE engine with hydrogen wins all day long vs a Plugin EV. Also the manufacturing processes and jobs to design and construct Hydrogen vehicles closely mirror that of gas and diesel engines. Also consider the average fueling station. Storage tank and pump upgrades will preserve the filling stations existance as we know it with no waiting in line to charge a battery. We will see a new generation of clean emission vehicles with hydrogen ICE engines. And it will not disrupt the global economy and pick the winners and losers the way that EV's threaten to eliminate the ICE engine industry.
When they will travel 600+ miles, while running the heat or air-conditioning, and can recharge in less than five minutes, for the same, or less, cost than an internal combustion car, then I would consider getting one!
600 miles is too much. 400 miles is considered very high efficiency already. Don't worry, Tesla is continuously improving their motor and battery. As long as they improve efficiency of the motor and energy density of the battery, 400 miles is still a realistic number
For EVs, the motors are not the issue, it's the batteries. E.V.s will only be good once we can 100% recycle batteries, have charing which takes no more than 30 minutes, be able to charge to 100% without damaging the cells and be able to do 100,000s of miles before any significant degradation or at least mitigate any degradation from batteries. The alternative would be to make batteries very cheap to replace.
But since we don’t recycle any of the fuel we use right now I would say that’s a tall order. Everybody I know that has a Tesla is about to charge to 80+ percent in about 20 minutes ,but with lithium iron phosphate batteries, they should expect to get more than 100,000 miles with no degradation, lithium ion somewhat less and the sodium batteries may prove to be even better.
@@sandyt4343 degradation is about 2-4% per 10k miles or year for the most recent M3s. This also worsens towards 7% per annum or 10k miles if you super charge all the time and always charge above 80% and allow the vehicle to completely drain constantly.
Never going to happen, evs far more damaging to the environment overall than ice cars especially diesels which are far more efficient and the latest diesels very little pollution and far more reliable
@@barryphipps9442 battery development could enable this, such as how computers was running on KBs back in the day and these days were on TB and about to start h wrung towards PETABYTES.
@@sandyt4343Sodium ion batteries have been around since the 1970's. They hold x5 more power than Lithium ion batteries. Plus they last x3 longer. They are one quarter the size of the Lithium ion batteries. They are also considerably cheaper.
Rectangular copper conductors in motors have been used for very many decades, there is nothing new whatsoever in this. It's only in low power induction motors that round wire is used because it makes for a cheap way of winding the coils by machine. Packing the windings tigher tends to increase winding temperatures, but I'm sure Tesla are aware of that in their design. How are these motors cooled? Industrial induction motors of small to medium size have external fins and fan cooling. (Large motors often have water cooling.)
Whether you drive electric or not in terms of safety it is never good to be behind the wheel for so long without a break, but I understand your fear, I had it at first but I have been driving electric for 5 years now my driving range is only 360km and to be honest I have never had any difficulties, The only times I had to refill, the break was more than welcome
Driving Model S since 2014 and never had any issue with the technique. Driving electric is really great and having a sports car with the loading capacity of a Model S is something you will not find with any comparable car like Porsche or any Audi RS or BMW
@@melbro62 If you drive until your battery is complete empty then per law you have to take a break anyway. And btw, there are e-cars that plan your trip, and they know where an empty charger is available for you. Never saw that for gasoil stations.
@@konstanthin-tl Sorry Konstathin, gas stations are everywhere and I have an App that tells me where they are and what's really nice is where the cheapest gas is. Since EVs only make up less than 10% of total vehicles right now and they are already having problems with rolling brownouts from the charging demand and home AC demand on hot days. Electricity doesn't grow on trees and I can imagine when the EVs get to be even at 20%-30% of all vehicles how Grids will be overrun. Of course for average commuters I can see an EV being a good thing. That I-95 last winter on the east coast and those stranded EVs gave me chills, literally.
The answer to improving EVs is not in making the engines more efficient, but in simplifying and lightening the storage cells. Bring on solid state and then ICE technology will be seen to be the all-out anachronism that it already is.
The energy density of hydrogen is not as dense as alcohol. All kinds of other fuels( biofuel, synthetic fuels, methonol, hydrogen) still needs a lot of processes before it can turn into usable fuel. These process still will emit much more greenhouse gas than the process of battery. Battery is still the way to move forward.
@@valeriegiles6524I agree with you. Personally I'm more convinced that Toyota's hydrogen combustion engine is a better technology for the future, not only for autos but also should be explored for aircraft, ship engines, or even power plants.
@@nurburgringkid i disagree, as much as i love ice engine, i still believe that electric car is the future. once green hydrogen production can be scale up to mass production, EV can really take off. atm bev might have the lead, but i truely beliece that toyota fuel-cell ev will be the future especially in teh truckin industry. a much small high power battery combine with a hydrogen fuel cell, should be the future. directly high power from a small battery so u can still get that high power acceleration and all teh thrill of a high preformance vechical, a 50-100 mile range battery is all u need. for long distance and endurance run or trip, hydrogen fuelcell can provide teh power need to mantain freeway speed for long distance. fuelcell can also generationt eh power need to recharge the battery on teh go. fillin up a tank of hydrogen is still fast just like gasoline.
Regardless, they are still electric cars with all the same problematic issues they've always had. Toyota's "H2" hydrogen fuel cell internal combustion engine is THE "state of the art" powerplant technology for future vehicles...coming soon!
A fuelcell car is just another full electric car. No combustion engine. Sorry that I have to tell you this. A fuel cell is just a electricity producer using hydrogen for this. Unfortunate the efficiency of the H2 cycle is very low. On the wheels these cars are worse in efficiency as ICE cars...partly due to the need of compression into the fuel tanks for H2.Also those fuelstation can explode (as we have seen in Oslo) And for the construction of fuel cells we need very expensive and difficult to get elements (irridium)...for the membrane. H2 is NO advisable option for cars. It could be an option when weight is very important (planes).
@@take942 If you are typing fuelcell in your comment I can only assume that you are writng abou a car wth a fuelcell technic...."Toyota's "H2" hydrogen fuel cell "
I still don't get why you don't go as far as putting the motor directly into the wheel itself I'm talking making the wheel larger to free up space within the body and Chassis
A factor NOT mentioned--what would a vehicle incorporating this technology cost? If people resist buying the currently-marketed EVs, will they want THIS kind instead of an ICE?
There are a lot of other costs too; like the aluminum car body, seats, cooling liquid for motor and battery, glass for windscreen, side mirrors, charging port, tyres,etc
it call market monoploly. for a long time, theres really only 2 EV selliing. toyota mirai and tesla. mirai was really sell just to test electric motor longivity and reliaibility for toyota so they didnt really make the infustructure for it and mainly on market in socal for the rich. tesla is the only option for mass market who really want a ev, and since they have a market monopoly, they can charge what ever price they want for the last 10 years.
If you change all of the engine train it can be done. I do know about retrofit EV's in older cars. But it's not worth the costs now (unless you''ll retrofit an oldtimer ...)
When someone comes up with a motor that uses tap water as fuel so that people don't need to buy fuel anymore, They will have something that is truly revolutionary. Until then, they will have to pay to "spin their wheels"!!!
Honda had a hydrogen fueled car that was fuel efficient that emitted only water for a few years but it never became popular to the masses unfortunately.
With due respect to Elon Musk ... I am presentng a situation to think about ... Suppose you are driving in your tesla car on a motor way with a speed of 70mph . Then suddenly you see an accident occuring in front of you at about a distance of 100meters What technology is in your car to stop your car within a safe distance so that your car may not hit at the vehicles cllieded in front of you .
hydrogen fuel is far too expensive to compete with either gas or electric off the grid. There is no technology now or on the horizon that will make hydrogen competitive in our lifetimes and probably never. @@joevitaleconstruction.704
It's funny the designer of hypercars were showing their version of electric looking more like a CD but claiming a lot more torque and taking up a lot less space and wait
But it's 20% more efficient. This means it's going to use less energy for the same amount of torque and speed, so this means that Tesla will use lesser batteries , which will also drive down the cost too
With ICE cars you have the weight of an engine, transmission and a tank of gas plus the set up is only around 30% efficient. I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't think cars are the reason for climate change but I do think it is exciting to see the electric revolution. They are still improving ICE to this day, 150 years after it's invention so what makes you think the first version of batteries and motors for EV's was going to be the best and never need improvements.
@@tanalson This claim cannot hold. Any good electric motor is efficient for more than 90%...most of them 95%. Yes you can reduce the energy loss with 20%....meaning that instead of 95% efficiency you'll get 96% efficiency. The only real gains are : Less weight, less materal usage and less heat production (which reduces cooling...) Next point...An electric car does not have a heavy combustion engine, transmission, clutch system and gearbox.....Only the conbnection to the wheels still exists (in a Tesla)...we also do have inwheel engines which do not have any extra resistance in the car anywhere except the unavoidable wheel bearing as any other car has. The weight af a standard tesla battery ...ca 5kg/kwh including battery management system/cooling. With at least 200 kg less (no filled petrol tank, no transmission, no heavy combustion engine needed) we hacve already a 40KWH battery for the same weight as an ICE drivetrain. With the new mentioned battery (on internet...sodium) with a weight of 2 kg/kwh we will have in the future when those are in production a 80KWH battery in a car with the same weight as an ice car. (In 2013 a 5,1KWH battery was only 20 kg...at that moment the best which could be found on the market (less than 20kg due to the rules of the world solar challenge)...already less than now the tesla batteries. The technic in batteries is not on a stand still)
no, toyota being testing electric moto for a long time now. they will move to electric motor, but their route is slight different. toyota is still a japanese company and japanese are still very patriotic, so their move still need to banefit their home country. japan being island nation. they cant afford to stash away tonz of battery on their home nation for back-up power, so they trying their very best in the last 20 years to really master the fuel-cell tech and trying really hard to mass produce green hydrogen. if green hydrogen can be mass produce cheaply, then hydrogen can be use as a energy storage. excess renewer energy form solar and wind can be use to make green hydrogen, then teh green hydrogen can be use by fuel cell to make power for fuel cell cars and truck and even power plant using fuel cell for power generation as a baseline power. going with batter ev, japan are still stuck with nuvlear power plant and coal power plant as base line power like how it was in teh last half century. into the future, nuclear fusion or hydrogen for base power and toyota is really pushing toward hydrogen for car and truck. green hydrogen can be mass produce and transport all over teh world like how use does with liquify natural gas, hydrogen can be too, just need to build teh infustructure and find way to bring down cost of green hydrogen and mass produce it.
@@yia01 The old and new CEO`s of Toyota have totally abandoned EV`s in favour of H2 power, you are wrong. The new v8 engine is big and underpowered but is perfect for no polution. Keep watching Toyota news.
Formwound electric motors are not anything new - they've been a part of industry for more than 8 decades - If Elon is crowing over this, he's assuming the rest of the world is ignorant
Electric cars don’t work well in cold climates. In Alaska winters cold temperatures reduce battery range, as well as running heater and defrosting. Their more practical for city dwellers in warmer climates.
its a very good opportunity for our future more safer for our environment. Their are more motors we can invent that can produce more power than any combustion engine for its size.
Any evolution in the right direction is great, but to say that something is new when it already exists with so many other manufacturers is a bit too much look at audi (just the same) or lucid there, they even do it a lot better electrically;
Friendly advice …. You use the word engines multiple times ….. the proper word would be motor….. engines use a fuel to explode the fuel and drive the crankshaft
Actually, there are no rare elements in EV batteries. Not any rare earths (which aren't actually particularly rare) and no really rare elements like the platinum used in fuel cells. And no, the battery will not need replacing. Not sooner, Not later. The battery in most EVs will last the life of the cars, and is likely to have enough capacity when the car is junked that the battery will be re-purposed as stationary solar backup storage.
@@jimmurphy5355 A very optimistic promotion of EV's you have there. You don't consider Lithium-ion (Li-ion), Nickel Manganese cobalt (NMC), Nickel Metal Hydride (Ni-MH), Lithium Sulphur (Li-S), rare elements then? Batteries to date can have a very short lifetime dependent on the environment used in and the type of cooling also disposing of them is very difficult and damaging to the environment. As for reusing an exhausted and depleted EV battery for other purposes in not practical or efficient.
@@mrofnocnon I don't consider those elements rare because they are not rare. Batteries do not have very short lifetimes. Properly designed EV batteries last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I just sold my first EV, a Tesla model 3. I had driven it 104,000 miles. Its battery still had almost 90% of its original capacity. Next owner can drive the car another 100,000 or more miles. You need to expand your knowledge. There is a thriving market in used EV batteries. People are using them for solar storage every day.
You do need to keep in mind that every litre of fuel you use has used Cobalt to be produced. That will continue as long as fossil fuels are refined for ICVs. Cobalt is no longer needed for EV batteries. So, if you are concerned about Cobalt usage, you should be planning to stop using petrol/diesel.
What did they do new? It looks like a previous Tesla's invention - PM motor with weak magnets or IPMSM. This windings have been used for decades. Could someone stop this madness? Also, how do they reduce skin effect?
Square wire is nothing New we’ve been using it in audio speakers for a very long time earthquake audio personally I can’t wait for them to re-design the alternator using this technology. Also the two pieces need to be switched around the faster you go the more it expands this makes it not work. If the two pieces were switched you could have a race car as well as an audio charger. This is been a problem for quite a while
There's solid state technology that can run a EV much more than a 1000 miles between charging and can be replaced with a cost much less than anything your using today . I wonder , Why , essentially to make a vehicle that would interest everyone I've talked with it must be economically better than any fossil fuel vehicles ; simple - long range 1000 miles per charge + & 15 minute charging. Longer life expectancy and competitive prices for the vehicle & the maintenance and parts replacement . The it's appealing that have a product that indeed is better than anything on the market today. Stop baby stepping because of the making of fossil fuel vehicles obsolete shouldn't be an issue when it's better for the planet and everyone on it . Have a Blessed Day and ask yourselves what would JESUS want you to do , pray about it !
Friggin gr8 comment mark Twain 2053 .. but still impressive evolution. What is required is access to free energy device., N Tesla & others have created ~+> then most of em have died in v mysterious circumstances 🤔
Elon musk never fails to amze us wd his non stop innovations . How he inspires these talented young engineers to challenge the status quo . Even lightning speed china cannot catch up .
But none of these innovations as you put them were ever Elon Musk's findings. Electric Vehicle was founded by Mr Tesla, he then even stole the name TESLA ..LOL and the 'Hair Pin' technology has been around for years and years. So all Elon Musk is actually doing is taking things that have worked from years ago and making them better and improving them.
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Some gullible people on here. This is a totally unviable design. It's also not "INNOVATIVE" or "GAME CHANGING"..... they're just rearranging the internals and passing it off as different.
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Batteries, Batteries, Batteries...that's where the game changing improvement needs to be made
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so called 'hair pin' (rectangular wiring) as far as i remember was first used and patented by JBL for their copper wire speaker electromagnet wiring. from the 70s
This is NOT new..these motor design,s are 50 years old.
It's one of those spam videos
Total nonsense
@@JohnDoe-ef3wo I know, next there will be a video where Toyota and Yamaha invent a V8 engine that burns hydrogen - imagine!
Already done. Only it uses water.@@ouethojlkjn
The efficiency of the synchronous three-phase motor is already above 90%, so I don't see much to be gained from efforts outside of battery improvement.
yeah, there should not be much room to improve. iirc already some dc motors of 80s reached 90+ percent efficiency.
Exactly it's the battery technology that needs to be improved
the power to charge them! ... green power? Not a chance!
Electric vehicles are a stopgap clean emission vehicle. However battery technology is 30 years old. They need large improvements. Only minor improvements have occurred on the battery front. In contrast hydrogen fuel contains a raw energy. The proper ICE engine with hydrogen wins all day long vs a Plugin EV. Also the manufacturing processes and jobs to design and construct Hydrogen vehicles closely mirror that of gas and diesel engines. Also consider the average fueling station. Storage tank and pump upgrades will preserve the filling stations existance as we know it with no waiting in line to charge a battery. We will see a new generation of clean emission vehicles with hydrogen ICE engines. And it will not disrupt the global economy and pick the winners and losers the way that EV's threaten to eliminate the ICE engine industry.
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When they will travel 600+ miles, while running the heat or air-conditioning, and can recharge in less than five minutes, for the same, or less, cost than an internal combustion car, then I would consider getting one!
Thats a pretty high standard since Gasoline cars can't even do that.
@@ronbad12 Yes they can, mine does.
@@barrycarleton4326 What kind of unicorn do you drive? The electric cars can get 300 miles on about $8 of off peak electricity.
If thats your problem with them, the upcoming Toyota H2 cars are gonna be perfect for you.
600 miles is too much. 400 miles is considered very high efficiency already. Don't worry, Tesla is continuously improving their motor and battery. As long as they improve efficiency of the motor and energy density of the battery, 400 miles is still a realistic number
For EVs, the motors are not the issue, it's the batteries. E.V.s will only be good once we can 100% recycle batteries, have charing which takes no more than 30 minutes, be able to charge to 100% without damaging the cells and be able to do 100,000s of miles before any significant degradation or at least mitigate any degradation from batteries. The alternative would be to make batteries very cheap to replace.
But since we don’t recycle any of the fuel we use right now I would say that’s a tall order. Everybody I know that has a Tesla is about to charge to 80+ percent in about 20 minutes ,but with lithium iron phosphate batteries, they should expect to get more than 100,000 miles with no degradation, lithium ion somewhat less and the sodium batteries may prove to be even better.
@@sandyt4343 degradation is about 2-4% per 10k miles or year for the most recent M3s. This also worsens towards 7% per annum or 10k miles if you super charge all the time and always charge above 80% and allow the vehicle to completely drain constantly.
Never going to happen, evs far more damaging to the environment overall than ice cars especially diesels which are far more efficient and the latest diesels very little pollution and far more reliable
@@barryphipps9442 battery development could enable this, such as how computers was running on KBs back in the day and these days were on TB and about to start h wrung towards PETABYTES.
@@sandyt4343Sodium ion batteries have been around since the 1970's.
They hold x5 more power than Lithium ion batteries.
Plus they last x3 longer.
They are one quarter the size of the Lithium ion batteries.
They are also considerably cheaper.
Rectangular copper conductors in motors have been used for very many decades, there is nothing new whatsoever in this. It's only in low power induction motors that round wire is used because it makes for a cheap way of winding the coils by machine.
Packing the windings tigher tends to increase winding temperatures, but I'm sure Tesla are aware of that in their design.
How are these motors cooled? Industrial induction motors of small to medium size have external fins and fan cooling. (Large motors often have water cooling.)
Tesla's motors are water cooled.
Jim,
thank you for the information. What about the power controllers, air cooling similar to industrial drives?
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Hairpin motor is new and insane?? You obviously don't watch Munro live then. Ford and VW have been using them for years.
Whether you drive electric or not in terms of safety it is never good to be behind the wheel for so long without a break, but I understand your fear, I had it at first but I have been driving electric for 5 years now my driving range is only 360km and to be honest I have never had any difficulties, The only times I had to refill, the break was more than welcome
You have issues I don’t have
Driving Model S since 2014 and never had any issue with the technique. Driving electric is really great and having a sports car with the loading capacity of a Model S is something you will not find with any comparable car like Porsche or any Audi RS or BMW
A 30-45 min break on the road is NOT welcome. And that's if you're not behind others charging.
@@melbro62 If you drive until your battery is complete empty then per law you have to take a break anyway. And btw, there are e-cars that plan your trip, and they know where an empty charger is available for you. Never saw that for gasoil stations.
@@konstanthin-tl Sorry Konstathin, gas stations are everywhere and I have an App that tells me where they are and what's really nice is where the cheapest gas is. Since EVs only make up less than 10% of total vehicles right now and they are already having problems with rolling brownouts from the charging demand and home AC demand on hot days. Electricity doesn't grow on trees and I can imagine when the EVs get to be even at 20%-30% of all vehicles how Grids will be overrun. Of course for average commuters I can see an EV being a good thing. That I-95 last winter on the east coast and those stranded EVs gave me chills, literally.
Great 👍 keep it up 👏👏👏maybe might buy one ☝️👋
The answer to improving EVs is not in making the engines more efficient, but in simplifying and lightening the storage cells. Bring on solid state and then ICE technology will be seen to be the all-out anachronism that it already is.
Here we go talking batteries again, batteries are not needed!
@@stankygeorge I'm listening...
What should be used instead?
How about the toyota's internal combustion engine the runs on hydrogen?
The energy density of hydrogen is not as dense as alcohol. All kinds of other fuels( biofuel, synthetic fuels, methonol, hydrogen) still needs a lot of processes before it can turn into usable fuel. These process still will emit much more greenhouse gas than the process of battery. Battery is still the way to move forward.
@@tanalson that's not true at all. They make hydrogen on demand & the emissions are oxygen or water.
No harm in producing them both anyway.
@@valeriegiles6524I agree with you. Personally I'm more convinced that Toyota's hydrogen combustion engine is a better technology for the future, not only for autos but also should be explored for aircraft, ship engines, or even power plants.
@@nurburgringkid i disagree, as much as i love ice engine, i still believe that electric car is the future. once green hydrogen production can be scale up to mass production, EV can really take off. atm bev might have the lead, but i truely beliece that toyota fuel-cell ev will be the future especially in teh truckin industry. a much small high power battery combine with a hydrogen fuel cell, should be the future. directly high power from a small battery so u can still get that high power acceleration and all teh thrill of a high preformance vechical, a 50-100 mile range battery is all u need. for long distance and endurance run or trip, hydrogen fuelcell can provide teh power need to mantain freeway speed for long distance. fuelcell can also generationt eh power need to recharge the battery on teh go. fillin up a tank of hydrogen is still fast just like gasoline.
So you take hydrogen gas and then convert it into electricity... So that's still an electric car....
Nice! I love these efficiencies!!!
Regardless, they are still electric cars with all the same problematic issues they've always had.
Toyota's "H2" hydrogen fuel cell internal combustion engine is THE "state of the art" powerplant technology for future vehicles...coming soon!
The hydrogen fuel cell vehicle has been coming for years. Will it ever get here?
@@passingthrough812 it already has , in japan at least
A fuelcell car is just another full electric car. No combustion engine. Sorry that I have to tell you this. A fuel cell is just a electricity producer using hydrogen for this. Unfortunate the efficiency of the H2 cycle is very low. On the wheels these cars are worse in efficiency as ICE cars...partly due to the need of compression into the fuel tanks for H2.Also those fuelstation can explode (as we have seen in Oslo) And for the construction of fuel cells we need very expensive and difficult to get elements (irridium)...for the membrane.
H2 is NO advisable option for cars. It could be an option when weight is very important (planes).
@@reiniernn9071 The H2 vehicle is not an electric car. It uses an I.C.E. using hydrogen instead of gasoline.
@@take942 If you are typing fuelcell in your comment I can only assume that you are writng abou a car wth a fuelcell technic...."Toyota's "H2" hydrogen fuel cell "
Is it front wheel drive,if two motors in front, left n right wheel
I still don't get why you don't go as far as putting the motor directly into the wheel itself I'm talking making the wheel larger to free up space within the body and Chassis
The tech is not there, yet!
Tq for sharing!❤😊
Very Good
Thank you so much
A factor NOT mentioned--what would a vehicle incorporating this technology cost? If people resist buying the currently-marketed EVs, will they want THIS kind instead of an ICE?
tesla were always innovate,🤖
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yeah, well done, i always thought that hairpins were the key
😂I see what you did right there
Still need battery technology. Need to use kinetic and wind energy along with braking and go solid state. Better electrolytes.
Good 👍
If engine costs 1k and battery 5k, WTH costs so much on those cars?
This is NOT what it costs now. This is their anticipated cost.
There are a lot of other costs too; like the aluminum car body, seats, cooling liquid for motor and battery, glass for windscreen, side mirrors, charging port, tyres,etc
Batteries
it call market monoploly. for a long time, theres really only 2 EV selliing. toyota mirai and tesla. mirai was really sell just to test electric motor longivity and reliaibility for toyota so they didnt really make the infustructure for it and mainly on market in socal for the rich. tesla is the only option for mass market who really want a ev, and since they have a market monopoly, they can charge what ever price they want for the last 10 years.
Its a publicly traded company. Elon’s wealth (stock) relies on profit margins to please investors.
Very beautiful
they might have grest motors but what about batteries?
Can you retrofit these motors to a gas car?
If you change all of the engine train it can be done. I do know about retrofit EV's in older cars. But it's not worth the costs now (unless you''ll retrofit an oldtimer ...)
Meanwhile Koenigsegg: 😎
Why dont they use the wheels as generators to recharge the battery while driving
I heard that GM has used the PIN motor for a while.
Since 2011.
Good artists imitate, great artists steal.
To improve on battery range . Maglev can be use
Ill bet they are really practical where i live and it gets 25 below zero in the winter.
The cars of the future will produce by themselfs the electricity and will not need such a big baterry. We are living still in the past.
The video does not once mention if there is any improvement in range by using this new design...why?
When someone comes up with a motor that uses tap water as fuel so that people don't need to buy fuel anymore, They will have something that is truly revolutionary. Until then, they will have to pay to "spin their wheels"!!!
Mine uses sunlight that I don’t have to pay for.
Distilled water works much better than tap water. Hydrogen generators powered the moon missions back in the 1960/70s.
Sounds fantastic I know how to operate it without a bunch of batteries
Honda had a hydrogen fueled car that was fuel efficient that emitted only water for a few years but it never became popular to the masses unfortunately.
Wait intill the rodin coil or starship motor comes out
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With due respect to Elon Musk ...
I am presentng a situation to think about ...
Suppose you are driving in your tesla car on a motor way with a speed of 70mph . Then suddenly you see an accident occuring in front of you at about a distance of
100meters
What technology is in your car to stop your car within a safe distance so that your car may not hit at the vehicles cllieded in front of you .
Performance lucid better, longevity they fall apart, low maintenance is a myth.
A new revolutionary engine along with new revolutionary batteries the world is saved!!!!
Technology progress, yes. But no progress in the humanities. I'd rather have the latter.
Good idea - 50 year old technology. Square windings instead of round is
simply taking a leaf out of the PRO AUDIO loudspeaker design manual.
Amazing
Imagine this motor technology combined with a hydrogen fuel cell!
I’m sure Elon will have it out by 2035
hydrogen fuel is far too expensive to compete with either gas or electric off the grid. There is no technology now or on the horizon that will make hydrogen competitive in our lifetimes and probably never. @@joevitaleconstruction.704
It's funny the designer of hypercars were showing their version of electric looking more like a CD but claiming a lot more torque and taking up a lot less space and wait
The electric motor weighs 194# but then you add the battery weight and you are carrying a load to begin with.
Then they have to develop a battery that is lighter and have has a lot more energy density
But it's 20% more efficient. This means it's going to use less energy for the same amount of torque and speed, so this means that Tesla will use lesser batteries , which will also drive down the cost too
With ICE cars you have the weight of an engine, transmission and a tank of gas plus the set up is only around 30% efficient. I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't think cars are the reason for climate change but I do think it is exciting to see the electric revolution. They are still improving ICE to this day, 150 years after it's invention so what makes you think the first version of batteries and motors for EV's was going to be the best and never need improvements.
@@tanalson This claim cannot hold. Any good electric motor is efficient for more than 90%...most of them 95%.
Yes you can reduce the energy loss with 20%....meaning that instead of 95% efficiency you'll get 96% efficiency.
The only real gains are : Less weight, less materal usage and less heat production (which reduces cooling...)
Next point...An electric car does not have a heavy combustion engine, transmission, clutch system and gearbox.....Only the conbnection to the wheels still exists (in a Tesla)...we also do have inwheel engines which do not have any extra resistance in the car anywhere except the unavoidable wheel bearing as any other car has.
The weight af a standard tesla battery ...ca 5kg/kwh including battery management system/cooling. With at least 200 kg less (no filled petrol tank, no transmission, no heavy combustion engine needed) we hacve already a 40KWH battery for the same weight as an ICE drivetrain.
With the new mentioned battery (on internet...sodium) with a weight of 2 kg/kwh we will have in the future when those are in production a 80KWH battery in a car with the same weight as an ice car.
(In 2013 a 5,1KWH battery was only 20 kg...at that moment the best which could be found on the market (less than 20kg due to the rules of the world solar challenge)...already less than now the tesla batteries. The technic in batteries is not on a stand still)
@@rickbackous1041 can the Chinese make ones that dont burst into flames?
Hairpin motors are not new. But Tesla has implemented it well....
Toyota H2 = future
H2 hybird motor
@@InvestorSpeed petrol and diesel will not be available, but ethanol will be, so H2 and ethanol hybrid maybe.
Right on!
no, toyota being testing electric moto for a long time now. they will move to electric motor, but their route is slight different. toyota is still a japanese company and japanese are still very patriotic, so their move still need to banefit their home country. japan being island nation. they cant afford to stash away tonz of battery on their home nation for back-up power, so they trying their very best in the last 20 years to really master the fuel-cell tech and trying really hard to mass produce green hydrogen. if green hydrogen can be mass produce cheaply, then hydrogen can be use as a energy storage. excess renewer energy form solar and wind can be use to make green hydrogen, then teh green hydrogen can be use by fuel cell to make power for fuel cell cars and truck and even power plant using fuel cell for power generation as a baseline power. going with batter ev, japan are still stuck with nuvlear power plant and coal power plant as base line power like how it was in teh last half century. into the future, nuclear fusion or hydrogen for base power and toyota is really pushing toward hydrogen for car and truck. green hydrogen can be mass produce and transport all over teh world like how use does with liquify natural gas, hydrogen can be too, just need to build teh infustructure and find way to bring down cost of green hydrogen and mass produce it.
@@yia01 The old and new CEO`s of Toyota have totally abandoned EV`s in favour of H2 power, you are wrong. The new v8 engine is big and underpowered but is perfect for no polution. Keep watching Toyota news.
Tesla is trying relentless to reduce carbon emission.
Am a fan of.
New Engine?
ANY engine would be a huge story.
tesla should have a version for ordinary people - then only it will have real impact to environment
If batteries were not a suppressed technology, we would have had EVs from day one.
It's good to see electric motors evolve.
Toyota now has a real Hydrogen engine that can produce 400 plus hp. an can go 400 miles.
I shared the same videos. very good
@@lastmanstanding1699Sorry but fuel cells are too expensive
@@lastmanstanding1699toyota 💩👎
Formwound electric motors are not anything new - they've been a part of industry for more than 8 decades -
If Elon is crowing over this, he's assuming the rest of the world is ignorant
and price
Electric cars don’t work well in cold climates. In Alaska winters cold temperatures reduce battery range, as well as running heater and defrosting. Their more practical for city dwellers in warmer climates.
Keep your Dyson for the eco friendly g... and let us enjoy our old good V8 engine
its a very good opportunity for our future more safer for our environment. Their are more motors we can invent that can produce more power than any combustion engine for its size.
All these technical advances are already known by US The People!!!
Sitting next to an electrical generator like that, is it not an extreme health hazard...... To use and to make
Any evolution in the right direction is great, but to say that something is new when it already exists with so many other manufacturers is a bit too much look at audi (just the same) or lucid there, they even do it a lot better electrically;
Friendly advice …. You use the word engines multiple times ….. the proper word would be motor….. engines use a fuel to explode the fuel and drive the crankshaft
Burn the fuel, not explode.
Koenigsegg's Dark Matter motor is way more advanced.
To be honest nearly all the rare metals are in the battery. Which sadly will need replacement sooner or later.
Actually, there are no rare elements in EV batteries. Not any rare earths (which aren't actually particularly rare) and no really rare elements like the platinum used in fuel cells.
And no, the battery will not need replacing. Not sooner, Not later. The battery in most EVs will last the life of the cars, and is likely to have enough capacity when the car is junked that the battery will be re-purposed as stationary solar backup storage.
@@jimmurphy5355 A very optimistic promotion of EV's you have there. You don't consider Lithium-ion (Li-ion), Nickel Manganese cobalt (NMC), Nickel Metal Hydride (Ni-MH), Lithium Sulphur (Li-S), rare elements then? Batteries to date can have a very short lifetime dependent on the environment used in and the type of cooling also disposing of them is very difficult and damaging to the environment. As for reusing an exhausted and depleted EV battery for other purposes in not practical or efficient.
@@mrofnocnon I don't consider those elements rare because they are not rare.
Batteries do not have very short lifetimes. Properly designed EV batteries last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I just sold my first EV, a Tesla model 3. I had driven it 104,000 miles. Its battery still had almost 90% of its original capacity. Next owner can drive the car another 100,000 or more miles. You need to expand your knowledge. There is a thriving market in used EV batteries. People are using them for solar storage every day.
@@mrofnocnon new Tesla batteries do not use cobalt
You do need to keep in mind that every litre of fuel you use has used Cobalt to be produced.
That will continue as long as fossil fuels are refined for ICVs.
Cobalt is no longer needed for EV batteries.
So, if you are concerned about Cobalt usage, you should be planning to stop using petrol/diesel.
What did they do new? It looks like a previous Tesla's invention - PM motor with weak magnets or IPMSM. This windings have been used for decades. Could someone stop this madness? Also, how do they reduce skin effect?
making a 12hr battery with a >3hr charge would be a better idea, no?
Genral motors have this technology way back then tesla
Square wire is nothing New we’ve been using it in audio speakers for a very long time earthquake audio personally I can’t wait for them to re-design the alternator using this technology. Also the two pieces need to be switched around the faster you go the more it expands this makes it not work. If the two pieces were switched you could have a race car as well as an audio charger. This is been a problem for quite a while
I'm sorry but when you seen an electric motor encased with carbon fiber makes you wonder why you would ever go back to aluminum housing
There's solid state technology that can run a EV much more than a 1000 miles between charging and can be replaced with a cost much less than anything your using today . I wonder , Why , essentially to make a vehicle that would interest everyone I've talked with it must be economically better than any fossil fuel vehicles ; simple - long range 1000 miles per charge + & 15 minute charging. Longer life expectancy and competitive prices for the vehicle & the maintenance and parts replacement . The it's appealing that have a product that indeed is better than anything on the market today.
Stop baby stepping because of the making of fossil fuel vehicles obsolete shouldn't be an issue when it's better for the planet and everyone on it .
Have a Blessed Day and ask yourselves what would JESUS want you to do , pray about it !
The weak link is still the battery for long trips in the desert Southwest. 👍
Have a look at Moto Flux motor.
Baloney Hydrogen baby... They catch on fire
You mean like the 50 out of 4 million that caught on fire? 0.001%.
I am sure hairpin motor windings, including the word "hairpin", were being made 50 years ago.
The motor maybe , his batteries not so much ,Toyota have got that covered
Sounds like a jet turbine...
Right, Mr. DiCaprio?
It's electric MOTOR, not engine. Big difference. Accurate language is important when it comes to technology and science.
Of course bt what do you expect from a salesman !
All we need is unlimited energy production to charge this electrical wonder....Maybe we are supposed to beg Big Whopper Joe so he will bless us.....
Water powered engines have been made 1980's.... But discoverers killed ... FU...
Learn the difference between Engine and Motor
Hairpin motors: Used by Toyota since 2012...
Friggin gr8 comment mark Twain 2053 .. but still impressive evolution.
What is required is access to free energy device.,
N Tesla & others have created ~+> then most of em have died in v mysterious circumstances 🤔
What foolishness is this? Tesla is way behind Toyota who had a hairpin motor in the Prius 12 years ago!!
EV are 2 times too heavy and 2 times too expensive.
It’s not an engine it’s a motor.
Tesla the name is enough
Elon musk never fails to amze us wd his non stop innovations . How he inspires these talented young engineers to challenge the status quo .
Even lightning speed china cannot catch up .
But none of these innovations as you put them were ever Elon Musk's findings. Electric Vehicle was founded by Mr Tesla, he then even stole the name TESLA ..LOL and the 'Hair Pin' technology has been around for years and years. So all Elon Musk is actually doing is taking things that have worked from years ago and making them better and improving them.
Gas engines have to have a generator you can run on a dead battery..why can't ev s have a generator?????
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Not really. BOX electrical motor will be beast
Wow up tesla
The future is definitely SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABILITY ♻️♻️♻️♻️we have all the materials and elements we humanity need to be SUSTAINABLE mind 🧠body 👫soul
Well the η of asynchronous motors is about 95% for a while now.
Brushless is all it is with big capacitors.
Some gullible people on here. This is a totally unviable design.
It's also not "INNOVATIVE" or "GAME CHANGING"..... they're just rearranging the internals and passing it off as different.
A par excellence of AI Tesla Elon emergence, what my eyes see can’t come to my lips!
Will will
You forgot to metion lithium is NOT a recyclable product. Great job Elon, you made a throwaway car not being able to change a filter.
>95% recovery in recycled LIIon batteries - Redwood Materials.
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Hairpin motors are not new. Nor are they Tesla's invention.
Cool. A new motor for the lithium fire.
Statistically, about 0.001% of Teslas have caught on fire. Thats 50 out of 4 million vehicles. Gas cars…. Not so safe.