I can. They limit it to 209 cars and almost double the price. I definitely don’t think it’s worth it but hardcore Subaru enthusiasts will be fighting for one and will likely pay even more than $64k for one.
@@layne4376 false. 59,999 starting MSRP. MANY dealers arent charging a dime of upcharge because they have extremely loyal buyers they dont want to piss off.....
Was going to shut the video down after hearing the price but have to much respect for the channel so finished and liked the vid. My God they have some serious balls pricing the car at that level, true it’s a special limited car with a strong enthusiastic following but who’s zooming who? Good luck to Subaru moving that many at that price. Cheers.
@@millll111lllI define faster? 0-60 yes, because of AWD? THE C6 ZO6 ran 11.98 stock quarter mile. I will be suprised if this car actually outruns that. The Corvette would outrun it 0-60 as well with any decent tires on back, which Chevy has always been adverse to putting on the Vette until recently...
Rich Farfugnuven Faster on the road course that Car and Driver uses every year to compare fastest laps between sports cars. In 2006, they took the C6Z06 around in just over 3’01” and the S209 was designed specifically to do it in 2’58
Go do that please and watch them depreciate like crazy. The S209 is a limited edition, olny 209 will be made. I remind you the legendary 22B was a run of 424 cars and good condition ones are going for 100k+ now.
We don’t get the STI in the UK anymore. Theres a good selection of used examples with low mileage fortunately at Subaru dealers but we dont get the same range or options as they do in America. The new Impreza, XV and Forester are all CVT transmission, we cant get manual anymore. Subaru should give us a choice, and most UK Subaru buyers would prefer manual. Its wrong and I dont know why Subaru have done this here. They all have this isight technology (which only works with CVT) but im not bothered about that. I can use my own eyes to see where im going and whats around me. Too many people are bad drivers these days, they lack observational skills and rely on car tech to protect them. I will have to buy second hand if I want a Subaru with manual transmission.
YES!!!! Subaru brought the TMIC sprayer back into production! The last STi that had that option was 2006-07; easy to upgrade to either a CO2 or Distilled H2O and Methanol system. Think of it as a factory overboost system that gives extra power on demand, LITERALLY right at your fingertips.
I love Subaru’s. Had a built 500 whp 06 Sti and daily drove a super clean 00 rs. But 65k is ridiculous. And that’s coming from someone who spent 65k on a Jeep
@Frank White I don't know how its gay. Over the last 4 days I've invested 50 bucks and turned it into 400. Stock market is in the perfect state for making money right now. Imagine that with 100k. This man wouldnt be buying a fucking subaru or any Corvette he'd be buying a 3 to 400k house and then. Fucking Lamborghini because he is "so gay". Just saying nothing wrong with a good investment here and there. Sds take a look at it once in a while
Ever since the redesign in 2008 or whenever it was the 3rd gen Impreza WRX came out, it hasn’t looked as good in my opinion. It keeps looking longer and skinnier than previous models which had a wider more aggressive look. The car might be wider than older models but with the extended wheelbase it doesn’t look like it.
Dealerships have a hard time selling base STI's. These S209s could sit in the showroom for a very long time. It's an amazing track weapon, but so is a regular STI. I have a 2019 STI limited and I love it but at $40k it wasn't cheap. At least compared to other cars in its price range I feel like I'm driving something unique. At near $65k, it will take a special love and affection for the STI to drive an S209 home from the dealership.
The value proposition for the S209 over the base STI is that it's a limited run with a number of upgrades from the STI works shop. While there will always be those people who buy the base STI and add $25k in mods, the S209 seems made for the collector who will leave it unmolested.
John Jiang Name a car from the 2000’s that is faster than this car around VIR. Go to Car and Driver’s Lightning Lap and find out what cars went faster than a 2:56
It has the same turbine and housing. The only engine changes are the ic spray and software. Sti claims better finishing for the ports, but that does not change the specs.
Oh cry me a river about the price... Does the ever elusive concept of "LIMITED EDITION" evade you all? There will ever be 209 of those. I'd like to point you in the general direction of the legendary 22B, 424 of which were produced. Please go look up their prices now (hint: crappy ones top 60k+). You can go have your cheap muscle, but that's what it will ever be - the Mustangs etc are your fast food sports cars that will depreciate like crazy.
@@jauxed "so I guess I'm broke because I have a Gwagon and an M4...lols. " You are broke of proper ethics to appreciate high quality products as it seems. You are a Western Asian who appreciates crooked business practices such as VW Group. An alpine B3 costs 91K in Germany. It does not bother you because you are on a double standard against Japanese high quality cars that are more than the sum of their parts. You are just a bigoted hater.
They want 65K for this 2020 Subaru STI S209 when I can buy a base 26K Subaru WRX or Honda Type R for only 35k? Hell no. At most, $40,000 for the STi For 65k, I'm getting a Corvette, Supra, or M3
Dreamy yeah I’d say the Supra is a dog for that price (due to the auto-only mainly) but on the Corvette it’s a bit more forgivable, seeing as how radical a departure it is
It's faster than the Supra and the M3 on the road course. If you want to compare apples to apples, it costs the same as the Cadillac ATS-V and they have the same lap time at Virginia International Raceway. However, you'll probably never see another S209 on the road. You're more likely to see a Ferrari Enzo.
Subaru knows what they're doing. They offer the US a special car only like every 20 years so they're highly sought after and highly priced. It's an awesome car, but I like my 2020 WRX just fine.
22b would kill this thing around a track. I used to love subaru after having one as a first car, but to say their performance lines have been stagnant over the last 2 decades would be an understatement.
No it wouldn't. The 22b's only advantage would be its weight compared to the S209. But the 22b would be left behind starting at the first corner as its suspension is leagues behind that of the S209. And the boost response on the 22b is also much slower and requires a higher RPM - and at less power and torque output - than with the S209.
Yep, S209 is way faster than the classics... :D I owned a 2015 STI and now went to 2007 hawkeye. Tracked both quite a bit and the way the '15 put the power down and carried it through corners... The oldie squats quite a bit. Plus one thing that a lot of people forget and marginalise is the dual AVCS of the newer ones. That is the only difference between the two engines, but the difference it made both in fuel consumption and performance is crazy... In 4th, the '07 feels almost like hitting a wall whereas the' 15 ripped through it like it was 3rd gear. Both were/are set up really similarly - exhaust, intake, boost upped a bit, old one is making 295whp and new one was at 305. Not sure I agree with the boost statement though - the 22B runs equal length headers and a twin-scroll turbo. I have never tried one (only seen one around ever), but pretty sure it hits full boost by 3k RPM. My stock single scroll VF48 on the '15 hit 1,3 BAR by 3100 RPM, the ball-bearing VF34 on the' 07 feels pretty much the same.
@@VeliRajasaar Your 22b information is bad. Twin-scrolls were not used in the GC-series Imprezas. The first STi to use the Twin-scroll is the Version 8 (MY2003) - with the VF37 (standard) and VF36 (Spec C) turbos. The 22b used standard UEL headers and VF23 turbo. Also, the 22b hits boost later than the Version 4 Type R it is based on (and both are boost around 4k RPM). The slightly wider stance and Prodrive suspension make it a very good handler in the twisties, but it would not keep up with the later Subaru models - and in some cases, it would not even be close.
@@WannabeWRX Wow, I stand corrected, thanks! Dunno why I remembered that so firmly... Quick Google confirmed they did optionally run VF22 or the ball-bearing VF23. My bad and I feel bad :P
Frank Latin It did set a lap record. It’s extremely fast for a sedan. The only sedans that Car and Driver has ever tested that beat its lap time are the new M5s and some expensive Mercedes AMG car.
@@iHadWaterForDinner insanely strong? Seriously? My neighbor had a 2016 STI and after he spent butt loads on FBO to only make just over 400whp/tq, the transmission went out and I'm not referring to the clutch, I'm referring to the gears themselves. Still a very fun car, just cant put power into it unless you're willing to spend the extra $$$$$$ having your transmission built.
If you can get the Mitsubishi Evo in the states.. take a look at that. They soared ahead in a battle lasting years. If you watched top gear of old.. then I'm sure you know all about it.
Whoa...that’s north of $70,000 after tax and fees. The really odd feature is the Summer-only tires on a rallysport vehicle - that’s some icing on the rip-off.
I ran low 13s (bone stock) in my 2004 STi. I can't believe that 16 years later, the STi isn't any faster. Meanwhile all the other cars (Vettes, Camaros, Mustangs, etc) are getting significantly faster. A Camaro SS back in 2002 made 320 hp and ran low 13s (similar to an STi). Now the Camaro SS makes 455 hp and runs low 12s @ 116 mph. Subaru needs to get its act together because it's fallen so far behind all the cars that it used to be able to keep up with down a track or around a road course. And don't say the STi is a rally car. The STi is now built and designed for the street.
Hoping for a more sophisticated WRX when they transition to the new global platform for, I think, the 2021 model. Current Impreza has a split personality. The non WRX Impreza on the new platform is a much better car overall, but has no upgrades with a more powerful engine, while the WRX and STI are balls to the wall sport models. What Suburu needs to do is make the 2.5 liter from the Forester the base engine, make a sport model with a mildly tuned turbo, and a then the WRX with a more hardcore performance orientation. Hopefully they can switch to a turbo with good low end torque, like Honda and VW.
As a Subaru owner and Subaru engine builder, this is a hard ‘no’ for me. A set of Ohlins Road and Track coilovers completely transforms the STI. A couple of thousand dollars in suspension bits will make any STI drive better than the S209. Reprogramming the ECU will net more power than the S209 without any sacrifice in reliability. Installing one of my billet-wheel-upgraded stock STI VF48 turbos will make 100hp over the S209 with with same spool characteristics. The Brembo brakes on all STIs are trash for track days. $2500 gets you a set of bolt-on AP Racing front brakes that actually work, reduce sprung weight, and even fit under 17in wheels. Other than the curb appeal and the limited-edition factor, I don’t see any reason to buy one. A regular STI with above-mentioned upgrades will cost less and perform better even after taking install labor costs into account.
You should really watch the videos about how this car was developed to appreciate it. It’s almost completely made by hand. It ran a 2.56 at VIR, which matches the 640hp CTS-V’s lap time according to Car and Driver. Think of it as Subaru’s version of a GT3 RS.
Joseph Miller the CTS-V weight an additional 700lb more than the S209. That’s huge! I’m not surprised a lighter car can do lap times of a much heavier car with twice the power. For example, one of my track cars is a 2500lb Nissan that only makes 280whp but on a road course keeps up with 400whp BMW sedans that weight in the 3200-3500lb range. It makes a huge difference in handling, acceleration, and braking.
Actually in real terms the price has fallen, a lot. When the first WRX arrived in the USA in 2001 as a 2002 model year, the base price was $23,800. Adjusting for inflation that's today's equivalent of $34,650. Today a WRX starts at $27,500. For 8 grand less you get a much better car than was offered in 2002.
Was watching some Best Motoring videos and a 95 STi did 1/4 mile in 13,319 secs, a 2015 STi in 13.2 secs and this does in 13.4 secs. I love STis, but spending this much on this car is a mistake imo.
I had 2 STIs. An 03 and 04. $35k OTD brand new. Never in a million years would I spend double for esp for 36 more HP. They are smoking crack. There’s about 50 much better cars for that money. And why is this slower? They ran the same numbers back then with 305 hp.
You can see they bogged at launch. It should be running at least a 12.6-12.7 plus this test is probably way above sea level. Also, this S209 is faster than most or all cars at that price range on a road course. It shines on a track.
People here saying it's over priced and all that dont know history of the s209 and everything sti had to do to get it here. Yes sti brought it over. Not subaru.
Bruh, the 2015 sti base yall tested did the 0-60 in the same 4.7sec. The qtr was faster in the 2015 at 13.2!!!! This car is stupid expensive for what they added
Dudes, it's $65000. Wouldn't you rather have an Audi S4 or S3? No offense, Subie, but it's not the prettiest girl at the dance. Or if you want a track car, how about a Porsche Cayman? Just who is this car aimed at, at this price?
I don’t know why Subaru acts like they can’t just produce a new WRX when they release a new Impreza. There’s never any real change except to the engine, transmission and suspension tuning. The WRX/STI is always outdated because they base it on the PREVIOUS generation Impreza. It’s like VW selling a Mk6 GTI alongside the Mk7 Golf. They’d never do that. Why Subaru keeps two different generations of car in production makes no sense to me. I hope the next gen STI/WRX comes soon and with it there’s much better engines, transmissions and AWD systems. The STI Suffers from its ancient 2.5T engine. The FA20 in the non-STI WRX feels peaky and much less modern than the 2.0T engines from VW, Mercedes, and Honda. Those companies have phenomenal engines that suffer from no turbo lag and pull hard to redline. The Subaru FA20 2.0T suffers from tons of lag and power peaks far too early. Below 1500rpm the engine judders and barely has any power. It’s very 1995.
Wait $64k? You gotta be joking me. For that money it should be a 10 second quarter miler. You’re better off buying a standard STi and dropping $10k into some suspension and engine tweaks and a reliable tune. That or find a JDM special edition Impreza and buy it through one of the many companies now importing awesome JDM goodness
You had me at “Manual Transmission only”.. 💯🙏
What about 60k+ ?
Long live the manual transmission.
Manual parking brake too.
Man I wish this was reddit, I'd give you Gold.
Yeah I hear ya.
Do you own a manual car?
Little did we know this was the swan song for the WRX STI.
With tax, your staring at $68,000.00 ………… Subaru has lost their f'n mind!
People will pay for this
classic kool it has been 60k plus for rest of the world. The US consumer is lucky to have it so cheap.
@@apt62 - the car is OVERRATED and OVERPRICED.
@@msw7021 The only reason they sold is because they were so limited, not because it was a true value...lay off the vape..
one went for 113K at a subie dealership in Cali
More expensive than a 2020 Corvette I can't believe it
I can. They limit it to 209 cars and almost double the price. I definitely don’t think it’s worth it but hardcore Subaru enthusiasts will be fighting for one and will likely pay even more than $64k for one.
@@porscheguy09 wtf is a hardcore Subaru enthusiast yuck
@@layne4376 Makes you wonder how much this one will sell for...
@@layne4376 false. 59,999 starting MSRP. MANY dealers arent charging a dime of upcharge because they have extremely loyal buyers they dont want to piss off.....
You can drive with 3 of your friend not just 1.
65k for a dinosaur. Who's winning? The marketing team. 👏👏
It's faster then the 2020 type R.
Dodge
@@vvvvel You could almost buy two Type Rs for this price.
@@austinfrazier7325 For the money yeah but if you're looking for a true competitor to that car it's here.
Mr. TAMW Dodge cars are nothing but unreliable junk lmfao
it is great to see this car on motorweek ,ive been always a subaru fan ,,,, hope the next sti will have more than 400 hp as it is rumured
Please John stay away from that corona-virus! We need you for years to come 🚗🚗🚗👍
Was going to shut the video down after hearing the price but have to much respect for the channel so finished and liked the vid. My God they have some serious balls pricing the car at that level, true it’s a special limited car with a strong enthusiastic following but who’s zooming who? Good luck to Subaru moving that many at that price. Cheers.
People complaining about the 1/4 mile time of a car that was always been into rally racing 🤦♂️🤦♂️
The S209 wasn't designed for rally racing, what are you smoking
For that kind of $$$ it should be 500HP, then it would be an absolute beast...
What does it need 500hp for? It's faster than the C6Z06, and that had 505hp.
@@millll111lllI define faster? 0-60 yes, because of AWD? THE C6 ZO6 ran 11.98 stock quarter mile. I will be suprised if this car actually outruns that. The Corvette would outrun it 0-60 as well with any decent tires on back, which Chevy has always been adverse to putting on the Vette until recently...
Rich Farfugnuven Faster on the road course that Car and Driver uses every year to compare fastest laps between sports cars. In 2006, they took the C6Z06 around in just over 3’01” and the S209 was designed specifically to do it in 2’58
@@millll111lllI ahhhhhh, I thought you meant straight line. I had a ZO6 before my hellcat and thought you meant straight away. Got ya...
Hp isn’t everything balance is.
FYI, the S209 is a 2019 model year car not a 2020.
Yay someone else who knows more about the s209 then everyone else in here lol
and also not just for the US why would japan not make a car to keep azwell lol
$65k for this 😱😫😵 ! Smh no thx, id rather buy a ZL1 Camaro or new C8 vett or Hell cat or gt350 stang !! 👏👍😉😎
Hell yeah....I take delivery of a C8 later today 😊
Jhon Smith LOL even a base mustang GT is faster than this thing
What 4-door AWD car would you buy for $65k?
Go do that please and watch them depreciate like crazy. The S209 is a limited edition, olny 209 will be made. I remind you the legendary 22B was a run of 424 cars and good condition ones are going for 100k+ now.
This car is not for people like you. It's a limited edition rally car. And subaru will sell all of them regardless of your taste in cars.
We don’t get the STI in the UK anymore. Theres a good selection of used examples with low mileage fortunately at Subaru dealers but we dont get the same range or options as they do in America. The new Impreza, XV and Forester are all CVT transmission, we cant get manual anymore. Subaru should give us a choice, and most UK Subaru buyers would prefer manual. Its wrong and I dont know why Subaru have done this here. They all have this isight technology (which only works with CVT) but im not bothered about that. I can use my own eyes to see where im going and whats around me. Too many people are bad drivers these days, they lack observational skills and rely on car tech to protect them. I will have to buy second hand if I want a Subaru with manual transmission.
YES!!!! Subaru brought the TMIC sprayer back into production! The last STi that had that option was 2006-07; easy to upgrade to either a CO2 or Distilled H2O and Methanol system. Think of it as a factory overboost system that gives extra power on demand, LITERALLY right at your fingertips.
Methanol has to be mixed into the gas system. Not sprayed onto the intercooler fins.
@@Stephen-br6il Typically yes, but, not with the old system.... I'd prefer the CO2 system myself.
I love Subaru’s. Had a built 500 whp 06 Sti and daily drove a super clean 00 rs. But 65k is ridiculous. And that’s coming from someone who spent 65k on a Jeep
now is selling over 100k so sad
More expensive than a C8 Corvette!! No way!!!
My vette is being delivered today...I'm super stoked 😊
@@bilbobaggins4710 congratulations! Your one of the lucky ones. Can only afford one new car right now so I'm waiting for the Z06
@@bilbobaggins4710 Damn your one lucky man.
@B B blah blah blah, you probably drive slow in the left lane.
@Frank White I don't know how its gay. Over the last 4 days I've invested 50 bucks and turned it into 400. Stock market is in the perfect state for making money right now. Imagine that with 100k. This man wouldnt be buying a fucking subaru or any Corvette he'd be buying a 3 to 400k house and then. Fucking Lamborghini because he is "so gay". Just saying nothing wrong with a good investment here and there. Sds take a look at it once in a while
A lot of people here clearly never understood what this car is.
Ever since the redesign in 2008 or whenever it was the 3rd gen Impreza WRX came out, it hasn’t looked as good in my opinion. It keeps looking longer and skinnier than previous models which had a wider more aggressive look. The car might be wider than older models but with the extended wheelbase it doesn’t look like it.
Dealerships have a hard time selling base STI's. These S209s could sit in the showroom for a very long time. It's an amazing track weapon, but so is a regular STI. I have a 2019 STI limited and I love it but at $40k it wasn't cheap. At least compared to other cars in its price range I feel like I'm driving something unique. At near $65k, it will take a special love and affection for the STI to drive an S209 home from the dealership.
The value proposition for the S209 over the base STI is that it's a limited run with a number of upgrades from the STI works shop. While there will always be those people who buy the base STI and add $25k in mods, the S209 seems made for the collector who will leave it unmolested.
There's one at my local dealer with a 10k markup.....been sitting there for a couple months.
A much anticipated, John Davis review.
Hello, the 2000’s called. It wants its performance back.
John Jiang Name a car from the 2000’s that is faster than this car around VIR. Go to Car and Driver’s Lightning Lap and find out what cars went faster than a 2:56
It has the same turbine and housing. The only engine changes are the ic spray and software. Sti claims better finishing for the ports, but that does not change the specs.
IC spray...OEM available on Evo's since 2003. Super cutting edge.
Oh cry me a river about the price... Does the ever elusive concept of "LIMITED EDITION" evade you all? There will ever be 209 of those. I'd like to point you in the general direction of the legendary 22B, 424 of which were produced. Please go look up their prices now (hint: crappy ones top 60k+). You can go have your cheap muscle, but that's what it will ever be - the Mustangs etc are your fast food sports cars that will depreciate like crazy.
I'm starting to think that the "S209" badging made the price go up. 🤔🤔
Price is a NO NO.
it’s not meant for broke people.
only people who say its expensive have mediocre money
@SAPPY so I guess I'm broke because I have a Gwagon and an M4...lols.
@@msw7021 not true. There are still a few for sale. I have personally seen one for sale here in southern California that's still sitting on the lot.
Over price .no way people buying it
@@jauxed "so I guess I'm broke because I have a Gwagon and an M4...lols.
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You are broke of proper ethics to appreciate high quality products as it seems. You are a Western Asian who appreciates crooked business practices such as VW Group. An alpine B3 costs 91K in Germany. It does not bother you because you are on a double standard against Japanese high quality cars that are more than the sum of their parts. You are just a bigoted hater.
I'm not sure I could justify that price if it made 441HP! Certainly not paying that much for 100 less lol. I guess the management at Subie vapes too.
It does worse...smokes crack
So the same block designed in 2004, bigger aftermarket turbo, some bracing you could’ve added yourself, $65,000.
Lather, rinse, repeat! hahaha John Davis, you slay me!
Overpriced
Tony Chau that’s an understatement
There's a Renault Megane going for 70k in Europe, this is a bargain in comparison.
It’s perfectly priced, since it is much faster than cars that cost the same or more money.
🤣🤣🤣
@@millll111lllI Okay buddy, I'd like to see this thing beat a ZL1 1LE
They can keep it for that price! Geesh! And not fast enough for all that dough!
They want 65K for this 2020 Subaru STI S209 when I can buy a base 26K Subaru WRX or Honda Type R for only 35k? Hell no. At most, $40,000 for the STi
For 65k, I'm getting a Corvette, Supra, or M3
Dreamy yeah I’d say the Supra is a dog for that price (due to the auto-only mainly) but on the Corvette it’s a bit more forgivable, seeing as how radical a departure it is
It's faster than the Supra and the M3 on the road course. If you want to compare apples to apples, it costs the same as the Cadillac ATS-V and they have the same lap time at Virginia International Raceway. However, you'll probably never see another S209 on the road. You're more likely to see a Ferrari Enzo.
Subaru knows what they're doing. They offer the US a special car only like every 20 years so they're highly sought after and highly priced. It's an awesome car, but I like my 2020 WRX just fine.
Overpriced and over appreciated....like harleys and Michelin tires...lol
Hahahahha true
Otsenre s
Michelin tires are the best, btw.
GAY
22b would kill this thing around a track. I used to love subaru after having one as a first car, but to say their performance lines have been stagnant over the last 2 decades would be an understatement.
No it wouldn't. The 22b's only advantage would be its weight compared to the S209. But the 22b would be left behind starting at the first corner as its suspension is leagues behind that of the S209. And the boost response on the 22b is also much slower and requires a higher RPM - and at less power and torque output - than with the S209.
Yep, S209 is way faster than the classics... :D I owned a 2015 STI and now went to 2007 hawkeye. Tracked both quite a bit and the way the '15 put the power down and carried it through corners... The oldie squats quite a bit. Plus one thing that a lot of people forget and marginalise is the dual AVCS of the newer ones. That is the only difference between the two engines, but the difference it made both in fuel consumption and performance is crazy... In 4th, the '07 feels almost like hitting a wall whereas the' 15 ripped through it like it was 3rd gear. Both were/are set up really similarly - exhaust, intake, boost upped a bit, old one is making 295whp and new one was at 305.
Not sure I agree with the boost statement though - the 22B runs equal length headers and a twin-scroll turbo. I have never tried one (only seen one around ever), but pretty sure it hits full boost by 3k RPM. My stock single scroll VF48 on the '15 hit 1,3 BAR by 3100 RPM, the ball-bearing VF34 on the' 07 feels pretty much the same.
@@VeliRajasaar Your 22b information is bad.
Twin-scrolls were not used in the GC-series Imprezas. The first STi to use the Twin-scroll is the Version 8 (MY2003) - with the VF37 (standard) and VF36 (Spec C) turbos. The 22b used standard UEL headers and VF23 turbo. Also, the 22b hits boost later than the Version 4 Type R it is based on (and both are boost around 4k RPM). The slightly wider stance and Prodrive suspension make it a very good handler in the twisties, but it would not keep up with the later Subaru models - and in some cases, it would not even be close.
@@WannabeWRX Wow, I stand corrected, thanks! Dunno why I remembered that so firmly... Quick Google confirmed they did optionally run VF22 or the ball-bearing VF23. My bad and I feel bad :P
Veli Valentin Rajasaar someone who knows what they’re talking about 👍
Unless this thing set some nurburgring lap time record it’s overpriced
Frank Latin It did set a lap record. It’s extremely fast for a sedan. The only sedans that Car and Driver has ever tested that beat its lap time are the new M5s and some expensive Mercedes AMG car.
Omg, that price tag is crazy! Especially when you add a bit of power the Glass Transmission will shatter. Eff that.
the sti transmissions are insane strong... the wrx transmission tho... pure glass.
@@iHadWaterForDinner insanely strong? Seriously? My neighbor had a 2016 STI and after he spent butt loads on FBO to only make just over 400whp/tq, the transmission went out and I'm not referring to the clutch, I'm referring to the gears themselves. Still a very fun car, just cant put power into it unless you're willing to spend the extra $$$$$$ having your transmission built.
The STI is well known to hold around 600 ft lb. There have been several STIs running single-digit quarter miles on the factory transmission.
You can buy two base model WRX for that price or a a base WRX and a Honda Civic type R.
Subaru Orange Coast in CA has it marked up $25K, a $90K Subaru. I read from another person seeing it at $130K in another dealership.
Thanks for bringing us yet another vibe 🥂 enjoyed
Only $34K more than what I paid for my almost identical 2004 STi bought brand new in '04....what a steal!!
Nice try Subaru. 65k!!?? I paid a little more for a ZL1 1LE with 650hp and 650trq and let me tell you-- worth every penny.
Hard sell considering you're well into the German luxury sports car market at 65k. Probably why there are only 209 offered for sale.
13.4 at 105? I think we are lacking some driver.. or it doesn’t really make 340hp
Or it's just a bitch to launch.
i don't get it i've seen 13.1 to 13.4 from a stock 2017 sti
Corvette money, half the performance.
Come on, that S209 package should be a 2.5k-3k trim package anyone can add to an STI.
2.5-3K won't get you near the upgrades this car has. also speed isn't everything, sometimes people want something special, not a corvette.
Would rather have a C8. Hell, u could probably get a sweet deal on a C7 AND a regular WRX without the hideous wing for the price of this thing
Michael Thompson two not special cars instead of something very special. not a good trade to me.
@@operamatthew you could get real rare classics for cheaper, this is just a money grab unless it does something special.
Raz_ Nick this will be a “real classic”
JEEZ!! That sticker price is a well equipped M235i/M2 PRICE RANGE... JUST 4 HAVING A S209 BADGE, IS IT WORTH IT?
93remix the M235i will be worth 15k in 8 years this is a collector’s car
@@f181234 I got that but... DAMN THAT! I DO understand exclusivity but this is a BIT 2 MUCH!
The only 3 BMWs that are faster than the S209 are the new M5, M5 Competition, and M4 GTS. That’s according to Car and Driver magazine.
Imagine the markup on these things. Bet all of them will be listed for 80-90k+ at the dealership
The little soo-bar-oooo. Wow
I really want to know how many have been sold.
If you can get the Mitsubishi Evo in the states.. take a look at that.
They soared ahead in a battle lasting years.
If you watched top gear of old.. then I'm sure you know all about it.
This gentleman has a fantastic voice, great presenter!
John Davis is the man!
soundz like toommmmm bergerant. or whateva tha f hiz name iz lol
Whoa...that’s north of $70,000 after tax and fees. The really odd feature is the Summer-only tires on a rallysport vehicle - that’s some icing on the rip-off.
I ran low 13s (bone stock) in my 2004 STi. I can't believe that 16 years later, the STi isn't any faster. Meanwhile all the other cars (Vettes, Camaros, Mustangs, etc) are getting significantly faster. A Camaro SS back in 2002 made 320 hp and ran low 13s (similar to an STi). Now the Camaro SS makes 455 hp and runs low 12s @ 116 mph.
Subaru needs to get its act together because it's fallen so far behind all the cars that it used to be able to keep up with down a track or around a road course. And don't say the STi is a rally car. The STi is now built and designed for the street.
Thumbs for John Davis. Definitely not for this overpriced relic.
I would be better with the cheap c8 vet , more head would turn when in a C8 vet
How well did the last limited edition Subaru WRX sell in the States? Isn't this just an ESX "red dragon" 5 years later?
I'm early this time...
I just hope when the new engine comes they do this again. It'll be more worth that kind of price.
Overpriced for 340hp. I'm a subie guy I've owned wrx and sti. But this is outta hand almost 70k are you kidding me lol .......no way.
Idiots I'm not a subi guy and I'm still pissed🙆🏾♂️
Moron 😂 You guys see 340hp and have no clue what work STI put into this car.
Hoping for a more sophisticated WRX when they transition to the new global platform for, I think, the 2021 model. Current Impreza has a split personality. The non WRX Impreza on the new platform is a much better car overall, but has no upgrades with a more powerful engine, while the WRX and STI are balls to the wall sport models. What Suburu needs to do is make the 2.5 liter from the Forester the base engine, make a sport model with a mildly tuned turbo, and a then the WRX with a more hardcore performance orientation. Hopefully they can switch to a turbo with good low end torque, like Honda and VW.
If I won the lottery, the first sports car I’d buy would be the WRX S209.
Interesting the 0-60 and quarter mile time seem similar to the 2015 STI
As a Subaru owner and Subaru engine builder, this is a hard ‘no’ for me. A set of Ohlins Road and Track coilovers completely transforms the STI. A couple of thousand dollars in suspension bits will make any STI drive better than the S209. Reprogramming the ECU will net more power than the S209 without any sacrifice in reliability. Installing one of my billet-wheel-upgraded stock STI VF48 turbos will make 100hp over the S209 with with same spool characteristics. The Brembo brakes on all STIs are trash for track days. $2500 gets you a set of bolt-on AP Racing front brakes that actually work, reduce sprung weight, and even fit under 17in wheels. Other than the curb appeal and the limited-edition factor, I don’t see any reason to buy one. A regular STI with above-mentioned upgrades will cost less and perform better even after taking install labor costs into account.
You should really watch the videos about how this car was developed to appreciate it. It’s almost completely made by hand. It ran a 2.56 at VIR, which matches the 640hp CTS-V’s lap time according to Car and Driver. Think of it as Subaru’s version of a GT3 RS.
Joseph Miller the CTS-V weight an additional 700lb more than the S209. That’s huge! I’m not surprised a lighter car can do lap times of a much heavier car with twice the power. For example, one of my track cars is a 2500lb Nissan that only makes 280whp but on a road course keeps up with 400whp BMW sedans that weight in the 3200-3500lb range. It makes a huge difference in handling, acceleration, and braking.
Pavel Osovets Well the CTS-V is the 3rd fastest sedan C&D ever tested. Faster than a 911 Turbo S, R8 V10 Plus, 2013 ZL1, M2 Comp...
Pavel Osovets Also, the CTS-V is on GM’s Alpha platform, which is a proven track performer, especially under the current Camaro
$68k would need a Bryan Adams reference, because I think that equates to $33k in 1989 money. It could beat a TTA I guess...
Over the past 20 years the prices have risen for WRX, but not performance. BMW M340i starts from 54k and hase much more to give.
Actually in real terms the price has fallen, a lot. When the first WRX arrived in the USA in 2001 as a 2002 model year, the base price was $23,800. Adjusting for inflation that's today's equivalent of $34,650. Today a WRX starts at $27,500. For 8 grand less you get a much better car than was offered in 2002.
@@Guy_de_Loimbard not only that but the WRX had a major overhaul in 2015 (although not the STI)
Including mechanic repairs
There is a list of way better cars for that price... including the hated Supra
Was watching some Best Motoring videos and a 95 STi did 1/4 mile in 13,319 secs, a 2015 STi in 13.2 secs and this does in 13.4 secs. I love STis, but spending this much on this car is a mistake imo.
CAN WE JUST GET ANOTHER EVO ? LIKE THE EVO X?
Daniel Normandie
Yes! I LOVED my Evo X. Best car ever. Sadly crushed by a pickup truck with no brakes.
The evo X ran the same quarter mile times stock, years ago, as this s209 does now. That subie is a tubby lil guy.
@@genericdenizen1 that sucks man but maybe one will come in the future my dream is a final edition evo x
So is this better than a ED209 from Robocop?
My god I forget how sexy the 22b was. > every new Subaru. This is sweet tho but I wouldn’t spend that much on it.
I owned a 2007 sti it did 0-60 in 4.7 seconds. In 13 years subaru has gotten slower! They need to come up with something new! Very sad
Same issues?
I like it except for the Fast and Furious rear spoiler
Take your buddies along.. no ... slow you down
Tbh, I’d rather have the 22b.
Not taking away from the S209, still a pretty badass car....just a little too expensive for me.
With California tax and fees, and dealer mark up... let’s just say shy of $85k below $90k? I wonder who is the market for this price tag.
no $113k at one dealership with the markup crazy
Been looking at Motorweek since the 80's i miss the early times
If it was a regular production model the price would have been 20k cheaper
And it still would have been an overpriced, ancient turd..
I had 2 STIs. An 03 and 04. $35k OTD brand new. Never in a million years would I spend double for esp for 36 more HP. They are smoking crack. There’s about 50 much better cars for that money. And why is this slower? They ran the same numbers back then with 305 hp.
Driver mod 😂😂
You can see they bogged at launch. It should be running at least a 12.6-12.7 plus this test is probably way above sea level. Also, this S209 is faster than most or all cars at that price range on a road course. It shines on a track.
People here saying it's over priced and all that dont know history of the s209 and everything sti had to do to get it here. Yes sti brought it over. Not subaru.
The S209 is a 2019 model.
THIS! That's what I thought that all 209 of them are 2019 MY vehicles
Bruh, the 2015 sti base yall tested did the 0-60 in the same 4.7sec. The qtr was faster in the 2015 at 13.2!!!! This car is stupid expensive for what they added
Dudes, it's $65000. Wouldn't you rather have an Audi S4 or S3? No offense, Subie, but it's not the prettiest girl at the dance. Or if you want a track car, how about a Porsche Cayman?
Just who is this car aimed at, at this price?
Track times?
That 22b. Delicious.
The 2004 sti ran a 13.1......wtf
The 04 STi is lighter than this STi to begin with
Still, in 16 years you would think they could break into the 12s at least
@@senseicorey9979 especially with 2.5 liters.
@@senseicorey9979 not if you're not increasing the power accordingly while the car gets heavier
The new car is 20+ seconds faster per lap around the VIR Grand Course track. Clearly, the quarter mile isn't something that Subaru cares about.
Porsche price tag wow....My volester N half the price at $28500 out the door
John Davis 😍
To slow... these numbers were good 10 years ago..., and the price is stupid too.
4.7 to 60 is not slow.
@@vvvvel Yes it is, have you been under a rock for 10 years? It's slower than the first Evo sold in the US 17 years ago for fucks sake..
I don’t know why Subaru acts like they can’t just produce a new WRX when they release a new Impreza. There’s never any real change except to the engine, transmission and suspension tuning.
The WRX/STI is always outdated because they base it on the PREVIOUS generation Impreza. It’s like VW selling a Mk6 GTI alongside the Mk7 Golf. They’d never do that. Why Subaru keeps two different generations of car in production makes no sense to me.
I hope the next gen STI/WRX comes soon and with it there’s much better engines, transmissions and AWD systems. The STI Suffers from its ancient 2.5T engine. The FA20 in the non-STI WRX feels peaky and much less modern than the 2.0T engines from VW, Mercedes, and Honda. Those companies have phenomenal engines that suffer from no turbo lag and pull hard to redline. The Subaru FA20 2.0T suffers from tons of lag and power peaks far too early. Below 1500rpm the engine judders and barely has any power. It’s very 1995.
$65k for this car? What are they nuts? Even if I had that kind of money I won't buy it. ( though it is a nice sporty car)
Wait $64k? You gotta be joking me. For that money it should be a 10 second quarter miler. You’re better off buying a standard STi and dropping $10k into some suspension and engine tweaks and a reliable tune. That or find a JDM special edition Impreza and buy it through one of the many companies now importing awesome JDM goodness
Has Subaru heard of M2/M3 ?
$65k????? A Type R is much better deal.
Cannot do a performance valuation on a STI without commenting about the incredible turbo lag. You have to knock it back a few gears to wake it up
This is the dumbest comment I've seen yet.
ill take a 06 STI fresh from the factory plz :)
This would of been a fair power bump in like 2009.
$64,000 for a Subie?! No way. Really like my 2015 STI, and with a few mods, it’s pushing 350 HP, and cost $15,000 less.
And yet itll never handle like the s209.
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