You can turn off control and location in the settings. In service mode they can't do anything via the app. They can still locate it though. You can disable location in another area of the settings.
Good info: used Cell phones need to be reset before they get traded in (e.g. to be sold), I have done this several times. This is also for the previous owner's security. I guess the EV manufacturers have to come up with a similar process that wipes all data, including any tracking-related apps.
Good video. To your point, this is a risk and it’s not just Rivian. This could easily be enabled by an app and workflow. Tech is great but the risks need to be managed.
This seems like a cheapskate problem on Rivians part. First of all why don't you have a key fob instead of a key card. The best thing about a key fob is it doesn't have to leave your pocket to open the car or to start the car. The next obvious issue is that the company hasn't invested enough money to make this process seamless and secure. On the other hand maybe Rivian thought this would be a problem a decade down the road because people would love their cars so much and vehicles weren't designed to be repaired at affordable price
We sold our previous model y to a friend’s nephew and did the transfer of ownership on our driveway. Very easy. I’ve been looking at used R1T and this didn’t cross my mind thinking “why wouldn’t they do the proper reset procedures”. Duh coz they’re the dealership and won’t care or not used to these kinds of cars. Thanks for the video.
What makes you think that the previous owner can still access the car? You make it sound like this isn't an obvious and potentially catastrophic security vulnerability that any car company would be acutely aware of and have figured out early in the development stage, long before selling anything. If it was actually possible for a previous owner to control a vehicle for 7-10 days after selling it to a dealership and then having it resold by that dealership, somebody would have already been sued bigtime. You seem to be equating the new owner getting access via the app with the previous owner losing access, and then building a whole theory on that. And if it really was the case that previous owners could maintain control of the vehicle after selling it to the dealership, especially with the relative popularity and age of Tesla, you'd be looking at a large-scale data breach of the highest order, not just a backyard musing
I know the previous owner had access to the car through the app because Rivian told me they did… when someone trades a car in, unless the original owner removes it from their app, they still have access/ownership to it from the manufacturers eyes.
@@SveltoPerformanceSo the dealership you bought it from didn't care that the person they bought it from could come take it back? I have a feeling that the dealership saw to it that they did not accept delivery of the car until the owner released control of it or they were somehow able to revoke it
@@ProductBasement Not sure why you are being so defensive, I am only telling you my experience with the Rivian I purchased used. I am pretty sure most third party dealers do not understand how all the technology works. When I traded my Tesla in to a Mercedes dealer to purchase a new EQE, they were not aware as well.
@@SveltoPerformance I'm sorry, I'm not intending to sound defensive or really even to criticize you. I would just be totally gob smacked if, for the entire history of a relatively old company like Tesla, sellers have retained access to the vehicle for over a week after the purchase. If that is actually the case, it should be in all the headlines, or at least it should have been a decade ago. So please pardon my skepticism
@@ProductBasement I get it, but I’m telling you that’s how it is. Same with other manufacturers. A good friend traded his Kia EV6, 4 months later he still had access because it was still on the lot.
Excellent video because there has been cases where the new owner was tracked by the former owner. And showed up at his house. You have to be careful and there needs to be 150% privacy. $90,000+ vehicle and there is this glaring security risk?? In 2024?? Unacceptable.
well at least the original owner probably has a good paying job in order to afford the vehicle in the first place so they should be a bit more trustable to not murder the second owner
You can turn off control and location in the settings. In service mode they can't do anything via the app. They can still locate it though. You can disable location in another area of the settings.
You can turn all of that off in the settings and putting it in service mode… do t be a fear monger
You can’t do that while it’s in the process of switching over to a new owner. Remember this was purchased 3rd party not through Rivian.
@@SveltoPerformanceNot reading the manual is not an excuse to not know something.
If your truck was reset at delivery, the previous owner has no control over the car. Saying as someone who sold one to a 3rd party.
I agree, but the key issue is that Rivian needs a more efficient process for transferring the car into the new owner’s account.
Good info: used Cell phones need to be reset before they get traded in (e.g. to be sold), I have done this several times. This is also for the previous owner's security. I guess the EV manufacturers have to come up with a similar process that wipes all data, including any tracking-related apps.
Good video. To your point, this is a risk and it’s not just Rivian. This could easily be enabled by an app and workflow. Tech is great but the risks need to be managed.
Thanks!
Thank you!
This seems like a cheapskate problem on Rivians part. First of all why don't you have a key fob instead of a key card. The best thing about a key fob is it doesn't have to leave your pocket to open the car or to start the car. The next obvious issue is that the company hasn't invested enough money to make this process seamless and secure. On the other hand maybe Rivian thought this would be a problem a decade down the road because people would love their cars so much and vehicles weren't designed to be repaired at affordable price
We sold our previous model y to a friend’s nephew and did the transfer of ownership on our driveway. Very easy.
I’ve been looking at used R1T and this didn’t cross my mind thinking “why wouldn’t they do the proper reset procedures”. Duh coz they’re the dealership and won’t care or not used to these kinds of cars. Thanks for the video.
Good points. Thank you!
Thanks
What makes you think that the previous owner can still access the car? You make it sound like this isn't an obvious and potentially catastrophic security vulnerability that any car company would be acutely aware of and have figured out early in the development stage, long before selling anything.
If it was actually possible for a previous owner to control a vehicle for 7-10 days after selling it to a dealership and then having it resold by that dealership, somebody would have already been sued bigtime. You seem to be equating the new owner getting access via the app with the previous owner losing access, and then building a whole theory on that. And if it really was the case that previous owners could maintain control of the vehicle after selling it to the dealership, especially with the relative popularity and age of Tesla, you'd be looking at a large-scale data breach of the highest order, not just a backyard musing
I know the previous owner had access to the car through the app because Rivian told me they did… when someone trades a car in, unless the original owner removes it from their app, they still have access/ownership to it from the manufacturers eyes.
@@SveltoPerformanceSo the dealership you bought it from didn't care that the person they bought it from could come take it back? I have a feeling that the dealership saw to it that they did not accept delivery of the car until the owner released control of it or they were somehow able to revoke it
@@ProductBasement Not sure why you are being so defensive, I am only telling you my experience with the Rivian I purchased used. I am pretty sure most third party dealers do not understand how all the technology works. When I traded my Tesla in to a Mercedes dealer to purchase a new EQE, they were not aware as well.
@@SveltoPerformance I'm sorry, I'm not intending to sound defensive or really even to criticize you. I would just be totally gob smacked if, for the entire history of a relatively old company like Tesla, sellers have retained access to the vehicle for over a week after the purchase. If that is actually the case, it should be in all the headlines, or at least it should have been a decade ago. So please pardon my skepticism
@@ProductBasement I get it, but I’m telling you that’s how it is. Same with other manufacturers. A good friend traded his Kia EV6, 4 months later he still had access because it was still on the lot.
Rivian is focused on their customers not 2nd hand and 3rd hand owners.
Anyone that owns a Rivian is a customer. They just need a better way to have a seamless ownership experience when someone purchases a used Rivian.
That's a really long video to say one thing.
Excellent video because there has been cases where the new owner was tracked by the former owner. And showed up at his house. You have to be careful and there needs to be 150% privacy. $90,000+ vehicle and there is this glaring security risk?? In 2024?? Unacceptable.
Thanks, I think people thought I was crazy pointing it out.
well at least the original owner probably has a good paying job in order to afford the vehicle in the first place so they should be a bit more trustable to not murder the second owner
Thats just ridiculous. Murderers have been people with millions in the bank. Not related at all.
Money has nothing to do with honesty