I love how the Bob segment has like three different asides so you can clarify “btw there’s a chance that all of this was just a result of Bob waking up on the left side of the bed that morning”
I was going to mention this! I know it’s not technically a fake idol, since it was at one point real. But bluffing its power to keep himself safe in a round where it was nothing more than a worthless trinket carries the same spirit as a fake idol play in my book!
I know Candice and Parvati were originally meant to be on the opposite tribes until production realized that four Micronesia people on a tribe would be a bad idea. If I really look hard, I could see an argument for Parvati as a hero as a women's empowerment thing with the black widows, but I have no idea what the reasoning is for Candice as a hero when her whole plot line in Cook Islands is the main antagonist to the Aitu four.
@@petermcgill3405Candice still got a favorable edit in Cook Islands tho. Whether or not the fans liked it, they had the Adam-Candice showmance and a positive thing. Parv fits nicely into both Heroes and Villains with her Micronesia performance.
1:05 one of my favorite fake idols EVER! Jason 100% believed the stick with a smiley face on it was an idol. He believed in it so much he convince Eliza it was real. Can’t get better than that
A really creative and under appreciated fake idol is AK’s chicken idol in Aussie survivor. He had an idol, made a ridiculous fake idol to show people, and everyone assumed he obviously doesn’t have an idol. Feel like if you have a real idol, that’s an effective way to convince people you don’t have one
500iq play: 1) Find Real Idol. 2) Make decent but obviously fake idol. 3) Try to "convince" people that you found the fake one in the spot where you found the real one. 4) Everyone assumes you don't have the idol but there is one in play and it drives them crazy trying to sus it out.
I think a really interesting video idea would be talking about contestants using idols/advantages in creative ways/ways not intended Like Tony pretending his super idol lasted until the Final 4 so people wouldn’t throw votes on him
Similar to idea of Matthew using SITD in premiere of Survivor 44 so he didn't have to pick a side. And then those who gave away SITD like Emily in Survivor 45 to prove trust.
I’m surprised Ozzy’s fake idol stick wasn’t an honourable mention. Let’s not forget that it’s the only fake idol that got upgraded to a proper idol in Ghost Island. And, it was the only “curse” that season that was actually reversed when it saved Michael at final 12.
Fun Fact: Bob was originally not supposed to be on the show, due to him not being “rude”. But producers said he can because they wanted that someone who is always positive like him.
I'd argue Bob's 1st fake idol was clutch in his win, as it incentivized the majority to target Randy to humiliate him when without it and all else being equal it's VERY possible Bob is voted out there for being the biggest threat in the minority.
Except I’m pretty sure Randy was already being targeted for other reasons. I guess you could argue that Randy wouldn’t have intentionally been more of an ass if he didn’t think Bob had an idol, meaning he might’ve saved Bob from being targeted.
I freaking hate how production makes the idols look flimsy nowadays. I’m like 90% sure it’s so that it’s easier for the castaways to make fake idols look passable Make the idols look good instead of just pieces of string. Then the contestants will have to actually work hard to make believable fake ones
It's 100% to make fake idols a thing, since the game is supposed to start from the moment the teams see each other to the moment the votes are cast. That includes making fake idols, convincing other players they are real, making sure they find them, etc.
This is one of my arguments on why Russell isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be. Dude was outsmarted... by RUPERT. Russell Hantz isn't good at Survivor, he's just good at finding idols. (Not to mention, he goes home with a legit idol around his NECK in AU.)
I mean, yes and no. Overall, he's probably not an amazing player but he was excellent for at least his debut season. He figured out a potential exploit and hit it hard, namely that the idols at put out early but all the players still took for granted that you had to wait for the clues to find them, and so he just grabbed every single one and used them essentially bully his way to the top. His strategy for that season was also crass but solid, essentially culling everyone until he got his loyal voting core, and then exploiting the fact that the other team won so much that they never had a chance to settle their own internal politics. It was legitimately good for the time, with his one fatal flaw being he just assumed everyone else would vote with their heads and not their hearts, but he was such a jackass during the game that no one could stomach handing him the win.
when i saw angelina on the screen, i thought we were gonna see that fake idol from her again, and we would get to hear luke bash angelina some more, but i guess this video is only the good fake idol plays, and not the petty ones
8:31 come on Luke! Stop being mean to Geo! He’s the nicest guy ever and he was an alternate so he maybe just didn’t have his head in the game going in. He works with my sister and when he found out I’m a huge fan he got me a signed 43 buff
I know you've already done a video of Most Purpled Contestants, and the results might be too similar, but I'm wondering if you'd ever do a video about the best personalities not shown on the show. I'm thinking about how everyone from his season has said that Tim Spicer is hilarious, or how everyone in Guatemala thought Lydia would be a Rupert-level fan favorite status which we just never get to see. I feel like there are multiple examples of this in Survivor history, and am sure there are many I don't know about.
ooooooh that explains why Rafe and Steph voted out Lydia instead of Danni. i didn’t know she was that popular. Tim being hilarious seems on brand for him.
My absolute Favorite Moments are Fake immunity Idols. the several, SEVERAL ways you can utilize them, and the outcomes (when successful) are so so good.
#1 for me would be Sarah using too much coconut husks in the fire making challenge in WAW. If she hadn’t done that, she probably would’ve won the challenge and the game.
@@nicholasjessup6788 Interesting, haven’t seen the entirety of WAW, so this peaked my curiosity a bit. I was thinking of Jay not covering his lock combination in S33 which costed him immunity.
Yea I agree that Dom’s idol theatrics was a little much. I respect Dom as a person and as a player. But watching that tribal, I was thinking dude you look like a jackass and a bully right now, calm down
I never understood why Xander didn’t win that season. His tricky move was amazing and totally flipped power. I must have missed something or edit was misleading because I thought he won the game
He thought he’d won the game that round and became way too passive from there on out. I still would have preferred him winning to Erika though. All the hate 41 gets, I’m always quick to stick up for it. But the fact is, it ends on a very anticlimactic note. After Ricard goes out we’re left with the weakest final four in memory. (Drop the four, indeed.) It always feels kind of rough for me to boost it as much as I do only to have it end where it does.
That edit did Erika no favors, because it focused too much on the new twists that Survivor had introduced, and not enough on the fact that she was a key driving force in the votes from merge onwards, plus Xander really had no agency moving forward, because even that tricky idol play was more driven by Tiffany than by him
@@NYChica23I get weary of hearing how Erika was so ill served by the editors. I can’t imagine they deliberately concealed dynamic, or even interesting, game play. I don’t think they would have been able to had they tried: Think of the really top tier champions and imagine telling the stories of their seasons without making frequent reference to them. And even if that weren’t the case, why would storytellers intentionally choose to tell an unsatisfying story? Even if we discount these points, there’s no way of knowing what’s on the cutting room floor: the vaunted “exit press” is just hearsay, with all the usual caveats about both the imperfection of human perception and memory, and the incentives we often have to be deliberately misleading, in full force. In short, I see no reason to believe Erika was in any way misrepresented. There’s no definitive evidence that she was, there _is_ circumstantial evidence that she wasn’t, and the editors had no incentive to make the season less interesting than they needed to.
@@aperson22222 Don't ask me why editors would choose to work that way, but season 41 is far from the first time that production has buried the winner/given them less content than the runner up has gotten, so it's actually not as farfetched as you'd think that Erika did do more than what we were shown on screen. Or do you not remember Samoa, when Natalie got that same treatment of getting virtually no content while Russell, who stood basically no shot at winning, got 108 confessionals to her 18, despite the fact that the only person in that Samoa F6 that Natalie loses to is Brett, who was also greatly under edited despite being a clear frontrunner
Shoutout to Bob for creating several realistic looking idols in an era when the production team was still trying to make idols look impressive.
They should have hired him like they did for Carson for future puzzles
Probably what helped him lol
I love how the Bob segment has like three different asides so you can clarify “btw there’s a chance that all of this was just a result of Bob waking up on the left side of the bed that morning”
I think Tony successfully convinced the tribe that his idol lasted for a round longer than it did even though it didn't matter
I was going to mention this! I know it’s not technically a fake idol, since it was at one point real. But bluffing its power to keep himself safe in a round where it was nothing more than a worthless trinket carries the same spirit as a fake idol play in my book!
11:43 I knew a "Candice Being a Hero" joke was coming and yet still laughed out loud at "heroically flipped".
I know Candice and Parvati were originally meant to be on the opposite tribes until production realized that four Micronesia people on a tribe would be a bad idea. If I really look hard, I could see an argument for Parvati as a hero as a women's empowerment thing with the black widows, but I have no idea what the reasoning is for Candice as a hero when her whole plot line in Cook Islands is the main antagonist to the Aitu four.
@@petermcgill3405Candice still got a favorable edit in Cook Islands tho. Whether or not the fans liked it, they had the Adam-Candice showmance and a positive thing.
Parv fits nicely into both Heroes and Villains with her Micronesia performance.
@@petermcgill3405Why, it’s almost like the hero/villain dichotomy was arbitrary. 🤔
@@TheLoserface45 Parvati is a straight up Villain in Micronesia lol
Rupert’s fake idol bluff is honestly ingenious. All of the pieces fit together perfectly, especially how the HvV idol looks particularly rock-like
1:05 one of my favorite fake idols EVER! Jason 100% believed the stick with a smiley face on it was an idol. He believed in it so much he convince Eliza it was real. Can’t get better than that
A really creative and under appreciated fake idol is AK’s chicken idol in Aussie survivor. He had an idol, made a ridiculous fake idol to show people, and everyone assumed he obviously doesn’t have an idol. Feel like if you have a real idol, that’s an effective way to convince people you don’t have one
500iq play: 1) Find Real Idol. 2) Make decent but obviously fake idol. 3) Try to "convince" people that you found the fake one in the spot where you found the real one. 4) Everyone assumes you don't have the idol but there is one in play and it drives them crazy trying to sus it out.
I want Bob to design the actual immunity idols nowadays
Even 1 season would be a hell of an honor and acknowledgement!
I think a really interesting video idea would be talking about contestants using idols/advantages in creative ways/ways not intended
Like Tony pretending his super idol lasted until the Final 4 so people wouldn’t throw votes on him
Fantastic idea!
Similar to idea of Matthew using SITD in premiere of Survivor 44 so he didn't have to pick a side. And then those who gave away SITD like Emily in Survivor 45 to prove trust.
I’m surprised Ozzy’s fake idol stick wasn’t an honourable mention. Let’s not forget that it’s the only fake idol that got upgraded to a proper idol in Ghost Island. And, it was the only “curse” that season that was actually reversed when it saved Michael at final 12.
Wait, so that means they had to remake that stick since Jeff originally threw it in the fire...right?
A new stick with a NEW FACE to make it real!
As the old saying goes "Fake it till you make it"
make it so you can fake it
Fun Fact: Bob was originally not supposed to be on the show, due to him not being “rude”. But producers said he can because they wanted that someone who is always positive like him.
I'd argue Bob's 1st fake idol was clutch in his win, as it incentivized the majority to target Randy to humiliate him when without it and all else being equal it's VERY possible Bob is voted out there for being the biggest threat in the minority.
Except I’m pretty sure Randy was already being targeted for other reasons. I guess you could argue that Randy wouldn’t have intentionally been more of an ass if he didn’t think Bob had an idol, meaning he might’ve saved Bob from being targeted.
Well it did help Rupert that Russell was kinda easily filled with paranoia. Russell did the heavy lifting for him on convincing the other villians
Bob's second idol looked better than half of production's even at a time when idols looked impressive.
I think you’re forgetting about Angelina’s successful idol play with Alison
But she got rice for the tribe 😭😭😭
Mike White being so over her when she tells him that plan is so funny. "Diary of a mad frickin' castaway"
Idoled out video as I’m eating, life is good
I freaking hate how production makes the idols look flimsy nowadays. I’m like 90% sure it’s so that it’s easier for the castaways to make fake idols look passable
Make the idols look good instead of just pieces of string. Then the contestants will have to actually work hard to make believable fake ones
As much as I want to agree, I do also believe players now would just be way too savvy to fall for a fake if they improved the quality of them
Go back to idols like the giant planks from China, honestly.
It's 100% to make fake idols a thing, since the game is supposed to start from the moment the teams see each other to the moment the votes are cast. That includes making fake idols, convincing other players they are real, making sure they find them, etc.
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Australian Survivor Idols make these ones look so silly
Man, I was waiting for the clip of Russell selling his soul that the rock in Rupert's pocket was an idol...he knows what they look like!
This is one of my arguments on why Russell isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be. Dude was outsmarted... by RUPERT. Russell Hantz isn't good at Survivor, he's just good at finding idols. (Not to mention, he goes home with a legit idol around his NECK in AU.)
Dont hate
I mean, yes and no. Overall, he's probably not an amazing player but he was excellent for at least his debut season. He figured out a potential exploit and hit it hard, namely that the idols at put out early but all the players still took for granted that you had to wait for the clues to find them, and so he just grabbed every single one and used them essentially bully his way to the top. His strategy for that season was also crass but solid, essentially culling everyone until he got his loyal voting core, and then exploiting the fact that the other team won so much that they never had a chance to settle their own internal politics.
It was legitimately good for the time, with his one fatal flaw being he just assumed everyone else would vote with their heads and not their hearts, but he was such a jackass during the game that no one could stomach handing him the win.
Humble landscaper Gary Hawkins will never not be funny 😂
Rupert’s idol bluff was incredible!
There is something worse than being outsmarted by Seabass and Angela. Being outsmart by Dean. Ask Janet how that feels.
Extra honourable mention to (AUS CvC2 spoilers): David Genat trading his fake idol for Shaun's real one.
when i saw angelina on the screen, i thought we were gonna see that fake idol from her again, and we would get to hear luke bash angelina some more, but i guess this video is only the good fake idol plays, and not the petty ones
8:31 come on Luke! Stop being mean to Geo! He’s the nicest guy ever and he was an alternate so he maybe just didn’t have his head in the game going in. He works with my sister and when he found out I’m a huge fan he got me a signed 43 buff
I didn’t care for him.
I know you've already done a video of Most Purpled Contestants, and the results might be too similar, but I'm wondering if you'd ever do a video about the best personalities not shown on the show. I'm thinking about how everyone from his season has said that Tim Spicer is hilarious, or how everyone in Guatemala thought Lydia would be a Rupert-level fan favorite status which we just never get to see. I feel like there are multiple examples of this in Survivor history, and am sure there are many I don't know about.
ooooooh that explains why Rafe and Steph voted out Lydia instead of Danni. i didn’t know she was that popular. Tim being hilarious seems on brand for him.
My absolute Favorite Moments are Fake immunity Idols. the several, SEVERAL ways you can utilize them, and the outcomes (when successful) are so so good.
Operation Italy. In the future, I’m sure this will be added.
I never heard about Gary making a fake idol. I had heard that Austin from exile island made the 1st fake idol.
add er to the list!
MvGX is a fast paced season that the game politics and strategies has been pushed to eleven with fake idols and voting blocks
What a great video Idoled Out, thanks for making this!
Have you thought about a video on the biggest mistakes made in challenges?
#1 for me would be Sarah using too much coconut husks in the fire making challenge in WAW. If she hadn’t done that, she probably would’ve won the challenge and the game.
@@nicholasjessup6788 Interesting, haven’t seen the entirety of WAW, so this peaked my curiosity a bit. I was thinking of Jay not covering his lock combination in S33 which costed him immunity.
Wendell not calling out to Jeff when he completed the puzzle, resulting in Laurel winning immunity
Im actually kinda curious as to how certain people got placed on the heros / villains tribe namely candace, cirie ,sandra and sugar.
I cannot believe that You did not even mentioned Angelina's fake idol!!
I'm shocked!!!
What about Edge Of Extinction Rick getting Julie and Lauren too play fake idols at the final five?
How dare you forget about Yau-Man's coconut that had said I.I!
10:53 maybe if it was nfl qb Gary hogeboom, it would’ve gotten aired. But that’s just your friendly neighborhood landscaper Gary Hawkins
If I played survivor I would make a fake beware atavantage
Is KIP really more powerful than Yul’s idol?
Yes, since it can steal Yul's idol.
@@petermcgill3405It never existed alongside Yul’s idol.
Considering it can work on a super idol, I would say yes
Yea I agree that Dom’s idol theatrics was a little much. I respect Dom as a person and as a player. But watching that tribal, I was thinking dude you look like a jackass and a bully right now, calm down
RIP jay
So when are we adding operation Italy to this list
Senger Passage
1:05 i lost it tight there
Kyla Islands
I never understood why Xander didn’t win that season. His tricky move was amazing and totally flipped power. I must have missed something or edit was misleading because I thought he won the game
He thought he’d won the game that round and became way too passive from there on out. I still would have preferred him winning to Erika though.
All the hate 41 gets, I’m always quick to stick up for it. But the fact is, it ends on a very anticlimactic note. After Ricard goes out we’re left with the weakest final four in memory. (Drop the four, indeed.) It always feels kind of rough for me to boost it as much as I do only to have it end where it does.
That edit did Erika no favors, because it focused too much on the new twists that Survivor had introduced, and not enough on the fact that she was a key driving force in the votes from merge onwards, plus Xander really had no agency moving forward, because even that tricky idol play was more driven by Tiffany than by him
@@NYChica23I get weary of hearing how Erika was so ill served by the editors. I can’t imagine they deliberately concealed dynamic, or even interesting, game play. I don’t think they would have been able to had they tried: Think of the really top tier champions and imagine telling the stories of their seasons without making frequent reference to them.
And even if that weren’t the case, why would storytellers intentionally choose to tell an unsatisfying story?
Even if we discount these points, there’s no way of knowing what’s on the cutting room floor: the vaunted “exit press” is just hearsay, with all the usual caveats about both the imperfection of human perception and memory, and the incentives we often have to be deliberately misleading, in full force.
In short, I see no reason to believe Erika was in any way misrepresented. There’s no definitive evidence that she was, there _is_ circumstantial evidence that she wasn’t, and the editors had no incentive to make the season less interesting than they needed to.
@@aperson22222 Don't ask me why editors would choose to work that way, but season 41 is far from the first time that production has buried the winner/given them less content than the runner up has gotten, so it's actually not as farfetched as you'd think that Erika did do more than what we were shown on screen. Or do you not remember Samoa, when Natalie got that same treatment of getting virtually no content while Russell, who stood basically no shot at winning, got 108 confessionals to her 18, despite the fact that the only person in that Samoa F6 that Natalie loses to is Brett, who was also greatly under edited despite being a clear frontrunner
Operation Italy will be in an updates version of this videoooo
Erin Fords
Candice from roro tribe?
Donato Creek
No Rick Devins idol smh
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