Soyuz + Discovery was my thought too. Simple, practical, very truly Soviet design. Spherical habitation pod at the front, large lander w/ everything necessary for a stay on Mars housed at the center, nuclear engines in the rear. Probably no early support launches, everything sent up on the 94. The aft looks about the same size as a Soyuz rocket as well, probably for tooling commonality to make the 94 window. They probably built around a Soyuz rocket design in fact.
The deaths in this show are way too intense- getting blasted by an Apollo rocket, shot on the moon and having your internal oxygen spark fire, and getting crushed to death by a damn Soviet rocket
Now imagine dying in the Apollo 1 disaster, the Challenger disaster, or the Columbia disaster. Just as intense. I think the show does a good job of not hiding just how dangerous space travel can be.
That always felt dumb to me. Even if he had a leak, they should have been able to pull him back in with injuries. Also, just the dumb luck of it hitting him feels stupid.
3:52 is the only death in the whole show that actually made me wince a little bit. Like get evaporated by a J2, nah. Duct Tape space suit, nah. Get crushed by a whole ass space ship, umm.
Y'know, I don't know why NASA hasn't developed SAFER or any of those types of RCS packs in this timeline. You would think they'd probably be able to find a way to incorporate it somehow given they had more advanced technology. I know tethers are good, but I just feel bad for Sylvie in the way she died.
@@filippo9617 I know that she was tethered and I understand tethering could be good if you were doing repairs to your own ship. But I guess I'm just wondering why they can't use something other than tethers.
IMO, her death was the result of poor training. She just sat there fumbling with the carabiner lock, which is literally just a twist-press design. Lack of training in instense situations resulted in hesitation and her untimely demise.
@@thomasbouvier3203 we’ll see what happens in next episode Because in real life Soviets did anything to assassinate defectors en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Russian_assassinations
My issue with that episode is that it was really dumb for Sojourner to go rescue the Ruskis. It’s not a matter of fuel or anything that they’d have to worry about, which is what the show suggested, it’s a matter of oxygen, food, etc. Life support systems are designed for the missions requirements, and when you double the crew, you really mess up your life support. One may say, “well, it’s fine, it just halves their food and they’re going back anyways”, but what I’m worried about is the water and oxygen reclamation systems. They’d be lucky if they get back to Earth without suffocating in interplanetary space.
the other big issue is that the Nasa crew knew there was a nuclear meltdown happening. There’s no way for the usa teams to estimate or get a truthful safe timeframe for a rescue.
Totally agree. That US commander would be quietly court martialled if she made it home. Totally reckless though in today's entertaiment such actions are depicted as consequence-free for the fool concerned
Crushed between two spaceships. A Horrible way to go. It happens slow and fast at the same time. You see it coming, you know what will happen to you, nobody will come to save you, and you know, all your hard work, your dreams, your skills and your humanity pointless at that point. It all lead to this, and your friends and family will always know how horrible you went. Pure nightmare fuel in my eyes.
@@latch9781 "Funny", my dad witnessed exactly the same when he was an early teen, the guy was in the next seat and stuck his head out the window, the headless body sprayed everything inside the bus and my dad was traumatized for life.
@@dattroll2019 My bad, looks like you're right. I thought they reused Armed Booster from S1, but listening to the two one after the other now it's obvious they're not the same track. Just tweeted at Jeff Russo asking about it, if he replies I'll let you know what he says.
Not necessarily. The "Leak" could have come from espionage from James Town Base. Or even the Soviet defector. (Fall guy) Lots of Plausible deniability for Margo.
yeah the leak will be discovered once they see the valves... And then they will know they have a traitor. but who... i think pressure is gonna get close over margot.
So many people die in this show, it makes being an astronaut statistically worse for one's survival than joining the military. I suppose the people in this timeline just accept that.
I'm guessing she panicked and was unable to think clearly. I imagine it'd happen to most people in this situation. Though, astronauts are supposed to be the _one_ type of people that _doesn't_ happen to...
@@guicaldo7164actually that basically happens to no one, people panicking is at least partially a myth. It's irrelevant though, NASA never used Carabiners for this specific reason, they have specially designed hooks that you can easily operate with bulky gloves. If she had period NASA equipment she would have been unclipped in a second.
I feel like Phoenix is going to somehow save all crews and then there will be a three way joint landing on mars. Therefore it isn’t one nation or corporation but humanity landing on mars. This is what I feel like they might be setting up
my thoughts exactly, Ed is not going to let Kelly and Poole stranded in th damaged Sojourner, and they have the solar sails, maybe someway somehow they'll manage to do a rendezvous or at least put Phoenix close enough to use the landing modules to ferry the survivors (is my theory yet we'll see)
Idk, especially given the Helios guy’s disregard for the other crews and his locking out of Phoenix’s manual controls. Unless there’s an IT guy on board willing to override it, which is definitely a possibility, they ain’t going back.
Does anyone remember when Molly told Dani that she chose Ed because he had the best chance of getting everyone home safe? Yeah... I bet Dani's remembering that conversation right about now. Ed would have been in his seat with his hands on the controls ready to react at a split moment's notice, not out of his seat trying to watch what's going on out the window.
I don't understand this comment. First, these are fictional characters that all they do is determined by where the writers behind the show, want the story to go towards. Secondly, you can clearly see that Dani is SITTING at her pilot's seat and gets up to hit the controls to move the ship away. Look at it again! Thirdly, it would never be on Dani to be looking out the window if she wanted to do that. It would be on her co-pilot who is sitting on the side where the Russian ship is at.
Damn, almost like Ed was in the more capable ship and everyone was ready and willing to let him go until he got cucled by the the dude he willingly signed on with to get to Mars first. This also hasn't aged the best considering recent events.
its the same engines the american ship is using, just far bigger since they dont have the solar sail. In this timeline they can use helium 3 from the moon, to have much safer nuclear technology, very little if any nuclear waste, all four of those engines are probably equivalent to a large nuclear power plant, I assume they were about to go constant operation which would make them get their faster and simulate gravity but we know they cant cool themselves well so it broke the ship.
@@verdebusterAP I was talking about the engine itself. It seems to have an exhaust manifold for regenerative cooling like the F-1. However, it doesn't have a gas generator so that's impossible
@@Coleossal The drama explores the culture and politics of the era in every season. It’s not fluff, it’s a crucial part of the show. Space travel relies on what’s happening on earth. What the governments do, what the people believe in, what kinds of relationships they have with each other… all that stuff is important as hell.
@@Coleossal She didn’t fall in love with him tho, it was an affair. Karen was tired of spending her life worrying about Ed, so she impulsively cheated on him to release those feelings of being trapped. That plot-line is meant to show how unhealthy marriages could be between people serving their country and their partners back home. Furthermore it examines the strict gender roles of the time, and how Karen felt societally pressured to be a wife nothing else (something she ends up resenting and then lashes out at when she ends the marriage.) If it ain’t your cup of tea that’s okay. But it’d be dishonest to tell a story about space travel without addressing the culture and politics of the era that created space travel in the first place. The state of society on Earth directly impacts what goes on in space. The two are inseparable.
@@Leonid_Brezhnev1is that why the Soyuz was NASA &Americas only reliable means of getting to the ISS for YEARS? 😂 Say what u want about soviet design.. them shids was built to LAST
@@Toostewnot really? Soyuz space crafts are so reliable they are used to this day, despite new alternatives like crew dragon. You just pulled this argument out of your ass didn't you?
I just wonder why they have to portray the Soviets as arrogant and unforgiving. I mean why not give them some characteristics of cooperation and friendliness. After all, this happened after the 1983 Soyuz-Apollo handshakes!
Personally I would've liked for there to be at least something from the Soviets perspective in this episode, hell I could say the same thing about the entire show as a whole
I didn't expect the engine to fail so dramatically. I was expecting the Russian plan to be : fake engine distress, take over the American ship, fly American ship to Mars to claim a Russian victory.
Being first to Mars is only a prestige win. Committing space piracy to do so, whether or not they are taking over the American craft or only its fuel (which would give them additional speed to outrun the Phoenix) would defeat the entire purpose of demonstrating the moral and technical superiority of Soviet Communism.
I wonder if this is enough for Pres. Wilson to actually declare emergency and force Helios into action. It wasn’t enough when the Ruskis were in trouble, but now it’s everybody…
I think you've nailed it. Surely there's a law in the US that allows the government to commandeer a vessel in a time of national crisis. If not, we may see some court room drama regarding this. I think in the end the landing on Mars will be a joint effort between Helios, NASA, and the Soviets aboard the Helios ship. Even though the Helios ship can't change course to meet the NASA vessel the NASA ship will intercept it.
@@Taipei_Sam space is deemed international water, you cant apply US law there to anyone (even if you could, it's a whole 5th ammendment issue). They would be under international maritime law which has no requirement for a civilian vessel to assist a military vessel (Soviet program was military) from an unfriendly nation, especially if assisting that vessel may endanger the civilian craft. The NASA craft however is crewed by military personnel and thus can be compelled to assist. NASA is "civilian" (technically it's still under government jurisdiction as a federal entity) but back then its crews were nearly entirely military. This is all skipping over the simple reason why you wouldn't do it anyway regardless. You have a crew of 6, your life support is designed for 6 with maybe a 2 person redundancy. You pick up 5 more, you all suffocate within 12 hours because of co2 toxicity. The craft is litterally designed with a hard maximum number of people it can keep alive, it's not engineered for more people than the total crew you plan to carry, yes there are redundant systems but they are not designed to operate in parallel to primary systems, but rather replace them if primary systems fail. Oh also the whole "we can still go to the moon" ended the moment they got hit by the other ship. That impact may have caused damage they can't see, safety protocols would have made that an automatic abort. If its hitting hard enough crush a human so completely, its bending steel.
Also, you would think MMUs (jet packs) would be more of a thing in the FAM time-line - in real-life, NASA had those in the mid 80s, a full decade before the FAM setting with advanced tech. 🤷♂️
Especially considering the numerous EVA fails in the show. Apollo 24 comes to mind. But, of course, the show starts out with Ed talking against NASA’s “lack of guts”, so perhaps safety is put as less of a priority, which is exceedingly evident in their program!
Maybe it’s because NASA is more focused on ground-based tech like mining operations and Jamestown. Besides Space Lab (I think that’s the name) which isn’t that big, NASA in the FAM timeline doesn’t have any big space stations. I’d imagine that means far fewer space walks thus NASA prioritizing different technology.
@@ksmi9109 yeah the show looks really cool in terms of the spacecraft and stuff but from what ive seen nasa and even the soviets are way too reckless for what i would consider realistic. i know a tv show needs drama, but i dunno, just kinda seems off to me
@@rifroll1117 it’s called 2010, the sequel to the old SciFi classic 2001 - A Space Odyssey. If you haven’t seen it, and you like hard SciFi based movies, you’ll love it - especially the scene of the boarding and salvage of the Discovery space vessel from the Russian one (can’t remember it’s name), and also the scene where the planet Jupiter - well, I won’t spoil it for you…. (Should be plenty of clips on UA-cam, but my advice would be to just watch the film - watching clips might spoil it….. you can watch 2001 first, but not totally necessary
The Russian crew was portrayed well. Not stereotypes, but human and relatable(it came out at the height of the Cold War). The way they and the American crew come together and combine their ships was cool.
I really wish they would stop presenting the cosmonauts as hostile and arrogant in this series. Yes I understand it's an American-perspective series, but to just demonise them doesn't make sense.
This was still a Cold War and they are hostile and arrogant towards others. You see that with American planes vs Soviet, American ships vs theirs. Sometimes tensions worse when they accidentally or intentional ram each other.
@@deltaboy2011 maybe true... but I remember old space movies like "2010" where there's a Cold War still going until 2010's but the astronaut & scientist work together like there's no war between them, and that movies was made in the 90s where they live in the Cold War and better understood what it actually looks like. So it's like the recent depiction of Cold War in space is getting something wrong.
@@putty-e2872 Yeah but we are talking about For All Mankind. Hostility, NASA Director forced to give up information to help Soviet space program for Mars by garroting her friend.
Does it? They have a former Cosmonaut on their Mars mission. Margot was always willing to help Sergei in the peaceful exploration of space. Apollo Soyuz happened and saved the world from Nuclear War. It doesn't always demonise the Russians. It demonises the government and strict way of thinking, it always humanises individuals.
Now I don't know what the deal was with the clip on her tether and whether the clip on her end was unhookable, but if I was about to be crushed by a rocket I think I'd take my chances of just unhooking myself and hoping they'd be able to rescue me. Then again the psychology of being in a situation like that is a very complex thing, easy coming up with possible options when you're all cozy in front of your computer. But man that was a death that made me squeamish, I desperately need to keep watching this show.
@@comsky4251 Panic can make even the simplest actions impossible. You know you're about to be squished like a bug, your hands are inevitably going tremble and twitch from the adrenaline.
@@tysquirt111 tbh on my comment I had a little tangent about it possibly being shock/panic aswell. Then I deleted it before posting thinking “nah nobody would agree with that” 😅
@@comsky4251 Having experienced something similar due to a major injury, I can attest to just how quickly you "forget" a basic action. I found out years ago that I'm a fantastic person to have if I'm helping someone else with an injury, but will absolutely panic if I feel myself losing control of my own injury. I'm sure that would be amplified 10 fold if I thought I was dying.
Of all thumbnail to use That's worst death so far The rest of the deaths were quick Being crushed slowly without a chance to escape is so far the worst
I think the double moon walk without a proper suit takes the cake for the worst death in the show. Thankfully they didn't show it on screen. The cosmonaut being flash-fried in his compromised suit probably also qualifies.
You know, people here claim that she should jave untethered and all, while others defend her by saying she was in shock at the moment. But, if anyone here can confirm for me, would she have survived by going UNDERNEATH the Spaceship? Because, (I dont know if its the Angle or not) it looked like here tether, even before being rolled under the Soviet Space Ship, seemed that it was hooked under the "Spaceship's Plane (Angular Plane)" Could she have survivwd by just going underneat the Spaceship and waiting for the Collision and all?
@@molinodesign But Look closely though, (Unless if I am wrong) The American Spaceship was designed like a Plane, if you will. If you look at when the Soviet Spaceship Collided/Crashed into the Ameircan one, it did so on the top Angular Plane. For Context, its like another plane slowy colliding with another one, and your hooked to your plane Underneat the spaceship. It fucking hard to explain.
Looking at it she should have came out where the hatch is up front and on top of the American craft. I see that her tether doesn't lead back to there. Why I do not know. As for going to the underside to avoid the Russian craft probably wouldn't work. Honestly she shouldn't have been standing on the hull that far from the hatch. We don't actually have magnetic boots yet. So she should have been floating "above" the ship after pushing off from the hatch area. So she wouldn't have been able to walk or run anywhere. The most she could have done was try to pull herself back to the hatch. As for her tether, I think it was positioned there just for this outcome to happen. Really her tether whould have been going back to the hatch and it should have been fairly taunt or close to taunt if that was as far as she wanted to float. In any case the tether shouldn't have snaked it's way over the side of the ship.
Why is she tethered way out there in the first place? How did she get there without being tethered? Would she not be tethered near the external hatch and why remove that tether to affix a new anchor in a more precarious position? The design of her carabiner is illogical. Everything designed to be used by an astronaut in a zero-g vacuum must be designed such that it can be operated by a person wearing the heavy gloves of the space suit, notorious for its lack of articulation and tactile sensation. The accident is triggered by a sudden rupture in the Russian spacecraft... in order for that expulsion of gas to move the spacecraft, it would have to generate enough thrust to overcome the entire mass of the spacecraft, which in order for it do so in the way that it is shown, it would have to be enough to not only move the mass of the ship, but do so with such force as to be able to suddenly crush an astronaut with little to no time to react... which seems unlikely. Could an astronaut be crushed between the moving mass of two spacecraft? Sure, probably. However, what force is acting on either mass to get it moving with enough momentum to crush an astronaut? As soon as one mass made contact, would it not push the second mass (ie: spacecraft) with it? Yet the American spacecraft acts like an immovable object. Why doesn't the pilot of the American ship react by thrusting her ship with the Russian ship? The control is literally shown to be under her thumb on the control stick. A quick burst from her RCS to start her craft moving would have delayed and lessen the impact, if not avoid a collision altogether.
Maybe. At 1:52 you get a clear view of where she is tethered to. If she went under Sorjuner it most likely would have snapped and she’d be stuck since she doesn’t have an EVA pack and probably won’t pull a Mark Watney.
~1:52: What's that "camera" she is holding? A small U-Haul box covered with aluminum foil? I don't know who did the SPFX, but you really should have a budget higher than $1.98
Welcome to space, where a normal camera would literally MELT because there’s no atmosphere. That camera is pretty accurate to the ones used in the Apollo missions. Don’t talk shit when you don’t know shit.
Did the writers not thing about life support? Ships are designed for the mission, they're not designed to support anymore people. Same thing with reentry, the parameters were set for a specific weight, and now all these soviets are throwing that weight off.
They took their fuel with just a hose, no pump whatsoever, and you worry about life support? They probably magically extracted their life support resources too.
I think in the next episode they'll discover that their nucular engines are really similar and that by taking on the fuel from the Russki wreck and due to the reduced consumable problem (was it three dead astro/cosmonauts?) they can still land on Mars...
I just wanna see inside one of these beautiful soviet ships. I cant imagine how cool that ship looks inside. Woulda worked fine too if the commander didnt go rouge and hot rod the nuclear engines that could barely cool. Now we'll never see the inside of the ship, and the kick ass sight of the soviets landing on mars is gone for now.
The soviet woman was introduced only in E06, you can easily miss her presence in rare images and frames in E05, so when she's appeared on mars it's like: who is this? wait..
This would be highly stupid to do because of the effects on the NASA ship not being designed for such a large crew. Although it shows that they only have rescued two and lost at least one, I marvel at the accuracy of those tethers to hit visors. So the overload of the life support systems will not be too great. However I think this scene ruins the story, as we know from the trailer a group makes it to the Mars surface however the nationality is obscured in this scene we get a good view of the helmets and the EVA packs which show that it is a NASA/ROSCOSMOS combined landing party.
It is kinda weird to see how the show depicts Soviets are just incapable and stupid in space technology, at the beginning of the series they show Soviets winning the moon race so that means they are ahead of NASA in means of space technology but then something happens and Soviets turn into idiots and depict as people can't even build a space ship without getting help from NASA and can't do a single thing properly.
In a sense, this can be justified due to the fact that in the real history of the USSR, it often followed the path of simply copying foreign technologies. Especially after the 60s. It was worst of all with computer technology, when copying ABM technologies led to the near death of microelectronics in the USSR. It is possible that the heavy backlog in the field of computational sciences in the USSR led to difficulties in modeling complex physical processes. Computer simulation greatly accelerates scientific progress. Without powerful computers available to the masses, the engineers of the USSR would have been forced to work the old fashioned way. And this is a long time. Although, of course, the shown level of backlog in nuclear technologies cannot correspond to reality. Given such titans of nuclear energy as Kurchatov and Sakharov, the idea that the Soviets are lagging behind in nuclear rocket engines is somewhat untenable.
@@user-yr9ql6rj3t NERVA history reflects this caricature I see your point no one put in the effort to add in what a majority of space travel is about "saftey" apparently they have moon bases and massive ship constructing space stations without MMU gear and safety cutters this easily could have been avoided had they done away with the cable which is basically the equivalent of a sycthe in zero gravity and had them develop actual experience vehicle gear that is ahead of its time like literally everything else in this show
3:43 I was hoping she'd realise she had to unscrew the carabiner to make it unlock, but instead she tried pressing and tugging on it. Panic makes your head cloudy.
Why are they tethering the two spacecraft together? It's a zero-g vacuum ... you can just hook a line on each astronaut and jump off, reeling them in like a fishing rod. How did you get the tether across in the first place... they could have just done that in reverse and reeled the cosmonauts in? What are they going to do, fall off and disappear?
For one thing they’re in a hurry, secondly they aren’t equipped with docking rings or other such equipment, they had to make do with what they have, as the Russian rocket might have gone nuclear at any moment It’s a reason why the Helios spacecraft was better because it’s floating hotel meant to retrieve spacecraft from future commercial flights Sojourner wasn’t equipped for docking and they had to go out of their way and make do with what they have on a humanitarian mission to save the cosmonauts
I feel like there were steps they could have taken to avoid things like this from happening. These worst case scenarios are one of the main reasons why I can't get behind this show
Yeah the show has a really cool concept but NASA and the CCCP Space Program are so 'unprofessional' for lack of a better term. There are so many deaths and mishaps that would never happen if either space agency were even half as careful as they were in real life. And I don't get why the Soviets are so antagonistic, sure, the CCCP in it's hubris often rushed their spacecraft and that lead to a number of tragedies, but the Cosmonauts themselves were just as cooperative and careful as the NASA astronauts. NASA and the CCCP Space Program even cooperated quite a few times and it would be absurd to think either would be so reckless as to endager the other, for the sake of both the Astronauts and political tensions.
impressive, the American series has this detail, the great rival is light years ahead, then something totally forced happens that undoes years of planning and then the USA has its big dramatic turn showing its "higher moral values". I already knew that something was going to happen and the Soviets would lose, I just didn't imagine something so forced.
Well for this great rival to be light years ahead something forced called alternate history had to happen i.e., alot of dead people had to be simply reanimated and soviet vehicles wished into being for this to happen.
@@nuclearwarhead9338 Their incompetence and pride resulted directly in the deaths of a cosmonaut and two astronauts in this scenario. Had Roscosmos and the Crew of Mars-94 not executed a burn which melted down their engine's reactor, they would have landed on Mars, gone back to the Soviet Union, and been heroes.
I love it how this show ALWAYS screws up technical details. There is a very good reason why in ASTP the Soviet cosmonauts never boarded Apollo - a very good reason, fundamental to Apollo's design and completely insurmountable. But the show's writers are way too superficial to figure this out, so they screw it up, because of course they do.
@@ValentineC137 i think he means the differing pressures between soyuz and apollo spacecraft. Love commenters that are deliberately obtuse as to what the hell they're on about tho
Valentine here’s the thing, there’s a reason irl Apollo Soyuz had a decompression chamber hooked onto the top of the Apollo capsule. And not just to provide a docking port. The crew of astronauts had to stay for hours in the middle part while docked, going both ways. To allow their bodies to gradually become accustomed to the atmosphere the Soyuz capsule used instead of the Apollo one. I think the Soyuz one used more like pure oxygen while the Apollo used a more sea level like atmosphere. While I can’t tell you the details of why going from one to another with getting accustomed gradually, it is bad in the same way as divers have to gradually resurface or risk damaging their lungs.
What do you do when a huge spaceship looms toward you? Stand absolutely still until the spaceship collides. What happens to a rope when it snaps in space? Apparently it has so much elasticity that it whip around and break the glass of the spacesuit helmet. Oh yeah, the douche apparently don't even have the brain to turn his head to the side to avoid it hitting the glass. In the film world portrayed, instead of the strongest and brightest being chosen for astronauts, the weakest and the dumbest are being chosen.
you can hate on the show all you want but realisticly in a situation like you'd probably be in full sensory shock & overload and just freeze in place because your brain can't manage that much info that quickly (see reactions of people living a catastrophy, that type of reaction is well documented) also spacesuit are bulky AF every movement is slow and you don't have that much range of motion
I think the woman's reaction was honestly a lack of training for a quick tether release in an emergency scenario. As a general rule, you don't often release your tether in an emergency, because most emergencies in space involve you drifting away from the spacecraft rather than actually needing to get away from it. As for the guy, he did after all just watch two people die, and the tether wasn't coming back because of elasticity, it was coming back because of the tension (caused by Poole maneuvering Sojourner away from Mars-94) that was relieved when the tether snapped, causing it to recoil towards Sojourner, with what appeared to be a part of the metal cable running through it exposed. Metal cables snapping are well documented as coming back to slap stuff.
The only thing to complain about really is the Brit lifting his solar guard internal visor for no reason. We already know it's him, he's lucky he's nearly sideways to the sun or otherwise, bad eye day.
Not necessarily. Tension is a right ole bastard so depending on just HOW the cable snapped can massively affect where it swings, since the strands won't break simultaneously, or relax at the same rate
I really like the look of the Soviet ship. It’s like a combination of a Soyuz rocket and the Discovery One.
Imagine if they combine American and Russian technology and see what the ship would look like. Maybe that Sojourne on top of the Russian rocket body.
It looks like a precursor to the Donnager from the Expanse
it really reminds me of something from space 1999 or battlestar galactica in terms of the aesthetic
@@deltaboy2011 I mean not to spoil but Mars 94 already is a Soviet-American mix
Soyuz + Discovery was my thought too. Simple, practical, very truly Soviet design. Spherical habitation pod at the front, large lander w/ everything necessary for a stay on Mars housed at the center, nuclear engines in the rear. Probably no early support launches, everything sent up on the 94. The aft looks about the same size as a Soyuz rocket as well, probably for tooling commonality to make the 94 window. They probably built around a Soyuz rocket design in fact.
The deaths in this show are way too intense- getting blasted by an Apollo rocket, shot on the moon and having your internal oxygen spark fire, and getting crushed to death by a damn Soviet rocket
Don't forget the duct tape moonwalk
@@muhammadarifbillah984 :( Gordo and Tracey went out like legends
I'd rather be vaporised in an instant than being crushed between two spaceships...
Now imagine dying in the Apollo 1 disaster, the Challenger disaster, or the Columbia disaster. Just as intense. I think the show does a good job of not hiding just how dangerous space travel can be.
Of Course its intense, its fucking space.
Space is Scary as shit, one tiny ass hole in your rocket and you fucking lose breathing privileges.
The cable is the real main antagonist of this season
Cable-san.
That always felt dumb to me. Even if he had a leak, they should have been able to pull him back in with injuries. Also, just the dumb luck of it hitting him feels stupid.
@@AzureImperium7701X i dont think you know how a leak in space works
The cables kill more
I can guarantee they would later think some sort of cutting device would be smart in case of emergency.
3:52 is the only death in the whole show that actually made me wince a little bit. Like get evaporated by a J2, nah. Duct Tape space suit, nah. Get crushed by a whole ass space ship, umm.
cosmonaut being burnt alive was pretty terrifying as well
Yep. That is NOT a good way to go.
those scenes keeps me up at night
Slow. And she had no where to go.
lets go to mars, guys, itll be really fun, and safe!
This scene was so brutal
Rip Scotish man
@@horizonsmusic9673 yeah and probably rip defector XD 3 v 3 russian vs americans in one ship... meh.
@@thomasbouvier3203 4 v 3
It was crushing.
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Y'know, I don't know why NASA hasn't developed SAFER or any of those types of RCS packs in this timeline. You would think they'd probably be able to find a way to incorporate it somehow given they had more advanced technology. I know tethers are good, but I just feel bad for Sylvie in the way she died.
Even with the RC she will be still teathered to the ship because she is only ment to take video.
Era legata alla nave è non riusciva a slegarsi.
@@filippo9617 I know that she was tethered and I understand tethering could be good if you were doing repairs to your own ship. But I guess I'm just wondering why they can't use something other than tethers.
IMO, her death was the result of poor training. She just sat there fumbling with the carabiner lock, which is literally just a twist-press design. Lack of training in instense situations resulted in hesitation and her untimely demise.
@@Sh1tbagActual IKR seeing it makes me go hhhhhhhh!!!
Bad idea to leave Baronov in the airlock with a bunch of cosmonauts.
They should’ve put somebody like Baldwin into the airlock as at least one of the cosmonauts would know her through her radio station
It doesn’t make much difference. They were going to encounter him sooner or later.
@@ronin3381 yeah but he was alone in there !
@@bluewater5620 i was expecting a knife taken out XD
@@thomasbouvier3203 we’ll see what happens in next episode
Because in real life Soviets did anything to assassinate defectors
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Russian_assassinations
"Dyatlov was in charge"
"I'm in the toilet"
Not great not terrible
"There was no major radiation leak after our engine adjustment, we detected 3.6 roentgen"
*throws binder at ship causing ship to explode* There's the manual read it safety first always that's my motto.
"He's in shock, get him to the infirmary."
My issue with that episode is that it was really dumb for Sojourner to go rescue the Ruskis. It’s not a matter of fuel or anything that they’d have to worry about, which is what the show suggested, it’s a matter of oxygen, food, etc. Life support systems are designed for the missions requirements, and when you double the crew, you really mess up your life support. One may say, “well, it’s fine, it just halves their food and they’re going back anyways”, but what I’m worried about is the water and oxygen reclamation systems. They’d be lucky if they get back to Earth without suffocating in interplanetary space.
You're on point. Even Hergé reflected this very same trouble in Tintin: Destination Moon.
the other big issue is that the Nasa crew knew there was a nuclear meltdown happening. There’s no way for the usa teams to estimate or get a truthful safe timeframe for a rescue.
No hay conflicto con los suministros, 3 rescatados sustituyen a los 3 muertos
Totally agree. That US commander would be quietly court martialled if she made it home. Totally reckless though in today's entertaiment such actions are depicted as consequence-free for the fool concerned
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 That Us Commander was ordered to save them after the bigger ship, Phoenix, why denied by it's owners to rescue them
Crushed between two spaceships. A Horrible way to go. It happens slow and fast at the same time. You see it coming, you know what will happen to you, nobody will come to save you, and you know, all your hard work, your dreams, your skills and your humanity pointless at that point. It all lead to this, and your friends and family will always know how horrible you went. Pure nightmare fuel in my eyes.
@@stevenstrain283 I mean I got 'lucky' enough to see someone die when their head got caught between a lamp post and a bus, popped off like a cork
@@latch9781Jesus Christ……
@@latch9781 "Funny", my dad witnessed exactly the same when he was an early teen, the guy was in the next seat and stuck his head out the window, the headless body sprayed everything inside the bus and my dad was traumatized for life.
Reminded me of the scene in Austin Powers where the guy was -- slowly -- run over by the steamroller.
Its just a crappy tv series, go smoke a bowl or something.
That crushed austronaut really sent chills down my spine
Should have had a Leatherman.
3:13 when the good old "panic music" came on, that gave me goosebumps
The music in this show is top shelf (just like every other aspect of its production).
i still can't find that music, has that particular soundtrack even been released yet?
@@dattroll2019 All 3 seasons soundtracks are on Spotify, I've listened to it myself there. Not sure about other platforms.
@@VelocityLP I meant that song specifically that plays at 3:11, cus I can't find it in any season's ost on any platform
@@dattroll2019 My bad, looks like you're right. I thought they reused Armed Booster from S1, but listening to the two one after the other now it's obvious they're not the same track. Just tweeted at Jeff Russo asking about it, if he replies I'll let you know what he says.
You just know the footage of their engines is going to screw over Margo.
Not necessarily. The "Leak" could have come from espionage from James Town Base. Or even the Soviet defector. (Fall guy)
Lots of Plausible deniability for Margo.
@@jameskelly3502 I'm speaking from a narrative sense. This is an obvious Chekhov's Gun.
yeah the leak will be discovered once they see the valves... And then they will know they have a traitor. but who... i think pressure is gonna get close over margot.
That plus the SRB o-rings issues will definitely end margo's administratorship
I wonder if she didn't sabotage the designs she gave them in some way...
So many people die in this show, it makes being an astronaut statistically worse for one's survival than joining the military. I suppose the people in this timeline just accept that.
Pretty sure the same is true in real life as well
@@isaacdalziel5772 Safety standards rose over the years
@@isaacdalziel5772 so far, noone has died in space. Some came close tho. But many deaths during ground testing, launch n reentry.
@@dchegu Yeah, that's what I was talking about
@@blinded6502 Recently, definitely yes. But at least the soviet space program was not particularly safe
This was only the 4th episodes and we got that kind of action...
I ve been used to slower action but i love it. And compared to obi wan its refreshing!
What show is this?
I like how the one recording just stood there and didn't try undoing her tether sooner. "Oh it's a screw lock carabiner? Guess I'll die"
I'm guessing she panicked and was unable to think clearly. I imagine it'd happen to most people in this situation. Though, astronauts are supposed to be the _one_ type of people that _doesn't_ happen to...
@@guicaldo7164 My point exactly. They're supposed to be the smartest and sharpest people on the planet.
@@wockyslush3038 Smartest and sharpest OFF the planet, actually.
I imagine that’s something that’ll change. Ya know, “it’s not an issue till someone dies because of it” mentality
@@guicaldo7164actually that basically happens to no one, people panicking is at least partially a myth.
It's irrelevant though, NASA never used Carabiners for this specific reason, they have specially designed hooks that you can easily operate with bulky gloves. If she had period NASA equipment she would have been unclipped in a second.
I feel like Phoenix is going to somehow save all crews and then there will be a three way joint landing on mars. Therefore it isn’t one nation or corporation but humanity landing on mars. This is what I feel like they might be setting up
my thoughts exactly, Ed is not going to let Kelly and Poole stranded in th damaged Sojourner, and they have the solar sails, maybe someway somehow they'll manage to do a rendezvous or at least put Phoenix close enough to use the landing modules to ferry the survivors (is my theory yet we'll see)
There's a clip of Sojurner-1 approaching Mars, and we see Phoenix's drop pods landing on Mars, so it looks like at least 2 ships make it.
Idk, especially given the Helios guy’s disregard for the other crews and his locking out of Phoenix’s manual controls. Unless there’s an IT guy on board willing to override it, which is definitely a possibility, they ain’t going back.
@@densonconnii133 it's possible, let's wait and see
Thats exactly whats going to happen
I just can't get enough of this show!!!
What show is this?
@@yugnatata For All Mankind, on Apple TV. It's really great. The premise is amazing.
Does anyone remember when Molly told Dani that she chose Ed because he had the best chance of getting everyone home safe? Yeah... I bet Dani's remembering that conversation right about now. Ed would have been in his seat with his hands on the controls ready to react at a split moment's notice, not out of his seat trying to watch what's going on out the window.
Oh yeah, 100%. Test pilot's always gonna test pilot.
Dawn right, need to ready for everything. Plan ahead…
I don't understand this comment. First, these are fictional characters that all they do is determined by where the writers behind the show, want the story to go towards. Secondly, you can clearly see that Dani is SITTING at her pilot's seat and gets up to hit the controls to move the ship away. Look at it again! Thirdly, it would never be on Dani to be looking out the window if she wanted to do that. It would be on her co-pilot who is sitting on the side where the Russian ship is at.
Her chief concerns were on continuing the mission rather than crew safety.
Not at all good procedure.
Damn, almost like Ed was in the more capable ship and everyone was ready and willing to let him go until he got cucled by the the dude he willingly signed on with to get to Mars first. This also hasn't aged the best considering recent events.
I have to compliment the model builders for the kit bashing. Nicely done.
This ending was crazy
This would explain the preseason trailer apparently showing US and Soviets together on Mars.
The Soviet nuclear engine’s design doesn’t really make any sense but it looks pretty cool so I don’t mind lol
That’s me with this whole show
lots of things in this show but man, we haven't got this much semi realistic space content for some time so i won't complain
its the same engines the american ship is using, just far bigger since they dont have the solar sail. In this timeline they can use helium 3 from the moon, to have much safer nuclear technology, very little if any nuclear waste, all four of those engines are probably equivalent to a large nuclear power plant, I assume they were about to go constant operation which would make them get their faster and simulate gravity but we know they cant cool themselves well so it broke the ship.
They blackmailed NASA for the design however they burnt out the engines trying to be the first to reach mars
@@verdebusterAP I was talking about the engine itself. It seems to have an exhaust manifold for regenerative cooling like the F-1. However, it doesn't have a gas generator so that's impossible
Easy to see why this is some of the best TV these days.
if it focused more on the alternate history and less on the drama it would be some of the best TV these days
@@Coleossal if it focused 10% more in the alternate history it would be a documentary
@@Coleossal The drama explores the culture and politics of the era in every season. It’s not fluff, it’s a crucial part of the show. Space travel relies on what’s happening on earth. What the governments do, what the people believe in, what kinds of relationships they have with each other… all that stuff is important as hell.
@@Coleossal She didn’t fall in love with him tho, it was an affair. Karen was tired of spending her life worrying about Ed, so she impulsively cheated on him to release those feelings of being trapped. That plot-line is meant to show how unhealthy marriages could be between people serving their country and their partners back home. Furthermore it examines the strict gender roles of the time, and how Karen felt societally pressured to be a wife nothing else (something she ends up resenting and then lashes out at when she ends the marriage.)
If it ain’t your cup of tea that’s okay. But it’d be dishonest to tell a story about space travel without addressing the culture and politics of the era that created space travel in the first place. The state of society on Earth directly impacts what goes on in space. The two are inseparable.
what? it was unscientific and illogical garbage!
Funny how they make American ship look like a Ferrari and the Soviet ship like an actual Soyuz of the era
it's logical. soviet design philosophy prioritizes mass production, repairability and cost over all else.
@@Toostew emmm no. Not when it doesnt work
@@Leonid_Brezhnev1 exactly, part of being cheap is that it fucking sucks
@@Leonid_Brezhnev1is that why the Soyuz was NASA &Americas only reliable means of getting to the ISS for YEARS? 😂
Say what u want about soviet design.. them shids was built to LAST
@@Toostewnot really? Soyuz space crafts are so reliable they are used to this day, despite new alternatives like crew dragon. You just pulled this argument out of your ass didn't you?
This was way Flippin better than I thought it was going to be. It had me on the edge of my seat. Damn good film!
It's a TV show
@@bhbh820 yeah, I know, I just found out. I'm going to look for it now.
on apple tv @@ninjahvoand797
Not as brutal as soviet cosmonaut burning alive on a spacesuit.
Insomma, sono abbastanza brutali entrambi.
Well if nobody go to save them soviet cosmonaut may be cooking alive by radiation.
Both a brutal
It was slow and painful death
This show has some gruesome deaths incinerated in engine plume burnt alive inside of pressure suit killed by tether in three different ways
That's one hell of a way to end the video, just like the last thing that guy's brain would've been able to see.
4:04 if you listen carefully you can hear the cosmonaut scream before he dies
Can’t believe they hired Astronauts with absolutely no reflexes what so ever
I just wonder why they have to portray the Soviets as arrogant and unforgiving. I mean why not give them some characteristics of cooperation and friendliness. After all, this happened after the 1983 Soyuz-Apollo handshakes!
Soviet cosmonauts weren't such assholes, they were much more cooperative than their command
Personally I would've liked for there to be at least something from the Soviets perspective in this episode, hell I could say the same thing about the entire show as a whole
@@MironBleek Yes, that exactly I would like to see.
@@th3d3storoy3r Agreed, at least one whole episode (or half of it) showing something from their perspective.
To be fair that one cosmonaut who warned sojourner about the Russians doesn’t fall into that category in my opinion
She could still be okay.
Yeah she just got turn into a pancake maybe we can inflate her in the next episode
idk with Hollywood logics maybe she's ok
I didn't expect the engine to fail so dramatically. I was expecting the Russian plan to be : fake engine distress, take over the American ship, fly American ship to Mars to claim a Russian victory.
Go to hell, mate. Cosmos is not a place for country squabbles. Unlike what damn politicians sometimes say.
Being first to Mars is only a prestige win. Committing space piracy to do so, whether or not they are taking over the American craft or only its fuel (which would give them additional speed to outrun the Phoenix) would defeat the entire purpose of demonstrating the moral and technical superiority of Soviet Communism.
А как же Гелиус? Они же опередили их
still can happen
@Hendrik Eijsberg its sounded very Russophobe though one!
I wonder if this is enough for Pres. Wilson to actually declare emergency and force Helios into action. It wasn’t enough when the Ruskis were in trouble, but now it’s everybody…
I think you've nailed it. Surely there's a law in the US that allows the government to commandeer a vessel in a time of national crisis. If not, we may see some court room drama regarding this. I think in the end the landing on Mars will be a joint effort between Helios, NASA, and the Soviets aboard the Helios ship. Even though the Helios ship can't change course to meet the NASA vessel the NASA ship will intercept it.
They could also reason that Helios is imprisoning their astronauts.
@@Taipei_Sam space is deemed international water, you cant apply US law there to anyone (even if you could, it's a whole 5th ammendment issue). They would be under international maritime law which has no requirement for a civilian vessel to assist a military vessel (Soviet program was military) from an unfriendly nation, especially if assisting that vessel may endanger the civilian craft.
The NASA craft however is crewed by military personnel and thus can be compelled to assist. NASA is "civilian" (technically it's still under government jurisdiction as a federal entity) but back then its crews were nearly entirely military.
This is all skipping over the simple reason why you wouldn't do it anyway regardless. You have a crew of 6, your life support is designed for 6 with maybe a 2 person redundancy. You pick up 5 more, you all suffocate within 12 hours because of co2 toxicity. The craft is litterally designed with a hard maximum number of people it can keep alive, it's not engineered for more people than the total crew you plan to carry, yes there are redundant systems but they are not designed to operate in parallel to primary systems, but rather replace them if primary systems fail.
Oh also the whole "we can still go to the moon" ended the moment they got hit by the other ship. That impact may have caused damage they can't see, safety protocols would have made that an automatic abort. If its hitting hard enough crush a human so completely, its bending steel.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
apparently every one of these highly skilled and competent individuals forgot how to move and do some of the most basic motor function tasks.
Also, you would think MMUs (jet packs) would be more of a thing in the FAM time-line - in real-life, NASA had those in the mid 80s, a full decade before the FAM setting with advanced tech. 🤷♂️
Especially considering the numerous EVA fails in the show. Apollo 24 comes to mind. But, of course, the show starts out with Ed talking against NASA’s “lack of guts”, so perhaps safety is put as less of a priority, which is exceedingly evident in their program!
Maybe it’s because NASA is more focused on ground-based tech like mining operations and Jamestown. Besides Space Lab (I think that’s the name) which isn’t that big, NASA in the FAM timeline doesn’t have any big space stations. I’d imagine that means far fewer space walks thus NASA prioritizing different technology.
@@ksmi9109 yeah the show looks really cool in terms of the spacecraft and stuff but from what ive seen nasa and even the soviets are way too reckless for what i would consider realistic. i know a tv show needs drama, but i dunno, just kinda seems off to me
Vincent van Gogh being hit by a loose tether hits kind of different....
This show is CRUSHING it!
I find your comedy rather flat.
@@ScottGammans jeez xD
They oriented themselves in the best way possible for this disaster to occur.
One puncture and decompression really screws up the rescue.
“Tell me Dr. Floyd what has happened to American bravery?”
“It’s alive and well thank you. What happened to Russian common sense?”
That was a brilliant film, the acting and special effects still hold up today, imo…
@@richardpoynton4026 what film?
@@rifroll1117 it’s called 2010, the sequel to the old SciFi classic 2001 - A Space Odyssey. If you haven’t seen it, and you like hard SciFi based movies, you’ll love it - especially the scene of the boarding and salvage of the Discovery space vessel from the Russian one (can’t remember it’s name), and also the scene where the planet Jupiter - well, I won’t spoil it for you…. (Should be plenty of clips on UA-cam, but my advice would be to just watch the film - watching clips might spoil it….. you can watch 2001 first, but not totally necessary
The name of the Soviet ship was the Leonov
The Russian crew was portrayed well. Not stereotypes, but human and relatable(it came out at the height of the Cold War). The way they and the American crew come together and combine their ships was cool.
😳😳😳3:11 Pure tension!!!... The Background Music... The situations of the Astronauts and Cosmonauts... It's blood-curdling😱😱😱!!!
Well, that idea of engine footage definitely got a bad press...
That soviet engine didn't want to open its secrets.
I really wish they would stop presenting the cosmonauts as hostile and arrogant in this series. Yes I understand it's an American-perspective series, but to just demonise them doesn't make sense.
It does make ton of sense given what's happening in Ukraine.
This was still a Cold War and they are hostile and arrogant towards others. You see that with American planes vs Soviet, American ships vs theirs. Sometimes tensions worse when they accidentally or intentional ram each other.
@@deltaboy2011 maybe true... but I remember old space movies like "2010" where there's a Cold War still going until 2010's but the astronaut & scientist work together like there's no war between them, and that movies was made in the 90s where they live in the Cold War and better understood what it actually looks like. So it's like the recent depiction of Cold War in space is getting something wrong.
@@putty-e2872 Yeah but we are talking about For All Mankind. Hostility, NASA Director forced to give up information to help Soviet space program for Mars by garroting her friend.
Does it? They have a former Cosmonaut on their Mars mission. Margot was always willing to help Sergei in the peaceful exploration of space. Apollo Soyuz happened and saved the world from Nuclear War.
It doesn't always demonise the Russians. It demonises the government and strict way of thinking, it always humanises individuals.
Now I don't know what the deal was with the clip on her tether and whether the clip on her end was unhookable, but if I was about to be crushed by a rocket I think I'd take my chances of just unhooking myself and hoping they'd be able to rescue me. Then again the psychology of being in a situation like that is a very complex thing, easy coming up with possible options when you're all cozy in front of your computer. But man that was a death that made me squeamish, I desperately need to keep watching this show.
it looks to me like she was trying to unhook and just couldn't do it
@@comsky4251 Panic can make even the simplest actions impossible. You know you're about to be squished like a bug, your hands are inevitably going tremble and twitch from the adrenaline.
@@tysquirt111 tbh on my comment I had a little tangent about it possibly being shock/panic aswell. Then I deleted it before posting thinking “nah nobody would agree with that” 😅
@@comsky4251 Having experienced something similar due to a major injury, I can attest to just how quickly you "forget" a basic action. I found out years ago that I'm a fantastic person to have if I'm helping someone else with an injury, but will absolutely panic if I feel myself losing control of my own injury. I'm sure that would be amplified 10 fold if I thought I was dying.
3:30 Imagine just sitting there holding a camera watching this huge ship lumber towards you and then you decide to unhook after it snags your line
It's cool how they still have the Soviet frequencies. Call back to season 2's Soyuz-Appolo. Actually wished the Soyuz commander was on board.
My biggest fear relating to death is dying in space, fortunately I'll never in to space lol.
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That's worst death so far
The rest of the deaths were quick
Being crushed slowly without a chance to escape is so far the worst
I think the double moon walk without a proper suit takes the cake for the worst death in the show. Thankfully they didn't show it on screen. The cosmonaut being flash-fried in his compromised suit probably also qualifies.
There was a chance to escape, lots in fact
@@Andreas-gh6is i agree because they took a huge dose of cosmic radiation and died slowly, painfully and horribly.
Don't forget about the cosmonaut literally burning alive in his suit in S2...
Literally, everything that COULD go wrong did. The fact the damn rope whipped back and slammed his helmet, how unlucky.
I don't know what this is, a standalone short film, an extract? A personal project, but whatever it is, THIS. IS. AWESOME.
An AppleTV series, there are 4 seasons as of February 2024.
Damn, a personal project? You were asking seriously? What single person could ever do something like this?
I suspect they will all end up on Phoenix.
You know, people here claim that she should jave untethered and all, while others defend her by saying she was in shock at the moment.
But, if anyone here can confirm for me, would she have survived by going UNDERNEATH the Spaceship?
Because, (I dont know if its the Angle or not) it looked like here tether, even before being rolled under the Soviet Space Ship, seemed that it was hooked under the "Spaceship's Plane (Angular Plane)"
Could she have survivwd by just going underneat the Spaceship and waiting for the Collision and all?
Get under a steamroller and let us know if you will survive
@@molinodesign But Look closely though, (Unless if I am wrong)
The American Spaceship was designed like a Plane, if you will.
If you look at when the Soviet Spaceship Collided/Crashed into the Ameircan one, it did so on the top Angular Plane.
For Context, its like another plane slowy colliding with another one, and your hooked to your plane Underneat the spaceship.
It fucking hard to explain.
Looking at it she should have came out where the hatch is up front and on top of the American craft. I see that her tether doesn't lead back to there. Why I do not know.
As for going to the underside to avoid the Russian craft probably wouldn't work. Honestly she shouldn't have been standing on the hull that far from the hatch. We don't actually have magnetic boots yet. So she should have been floating "above" the ship after pushing off from the hatch area. So she wouldn't have been able to walk or run anywhere. The most she could have done was try to pull herself back to the hatch.
As for her tether, I think it was positioned there just for this outcome to happen. Really her tether whould have been going back to the hatch and it should have been fairly taunt or close to taunt if that was as far as she wanted to float. In any case the tether shouldn't have snaked it's way over the side of the ship.
Why is she tethered way out there in the first place? How did she get there without being tethered? Would she not be tethered near the external hatch and why remove that tether to affix a new anchor in a more precarious position? The design of her carabiner is illogical. Everything designed to be used by an astronaut in a zero-g vacuum must be designed such that it can be operated by a person wearing the heavy gloves of the space suit, notorious for its lack of articulation and tactile sensation.
The accident is triggered by a sudden rupture in the Russian spacecraft... in order for that expulsion of gas to move the spacecraft, it would have to generate enough thrust to overcome the entire mass of the spacecraft, which in order for it do so in the way that it is shown, it would have to be enough to not only move the mass of the ship, but do so with such force as to be able to suddenly crush an astronaut with little to no time to react... which seems unlikely.
Could an astronaut be crushed between the moving mass of two spacecraft? Sure, probably. However, what force is acting on either mass to get it moving with enough momentum to crush an astronaut? As soon as one mass made contact, would it not push the second mass (ie: spacecraft) with it? Yet the American spacecraft acts like an immovable object. Why doesn't the pilot of the American ship react by thrusting her ship with the Russian ship? The control is literally shown to be under her thumb on the control stick. A quick burst from her RCS to start her craft moving would have delayed and lessen the impact, if not avoid a collision altogether.
Maybe. At 1:52 you get a clear view of where she is tethered to. If she went under Sorjuner it most likely would have snapped and she’d be stuck since she doesn’t have an EVA pack and probably won’t pull a Mark Watney.
Soundtrack is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
When that lady got crushed by the spaceship, it made me think in a weird way....
~1:52: What's that "camera" she is holding? A small U-Haul box covered with aluminum foil? I don't know who did the SPFX, but you really should have a budget higher than $1.98
Welcome to space, where a normal camera would literally MELT because there’s no atmosphere. That camera is pretty accurate to the ones used in the Apollo missions.
Don’t talk shit when you don’t know shit.
I love how the US suits look like the xEMU suits
Man , that gave me goosebumps.
Did the writers not thing about life support? Ships are designed for the mission, they're not designed to support anymore people. Same thing with reentry, the parameters were set for a specific weight, and now all these soviets are throwing that weight off.
They took their fuel with just a hose, no pump whatsoever, and you worry about life support? They probably magically extracted their life support resources too.
the bad ending
Critical mission failure!
Soviet ship is pure Atom Punk! Great design!!
Well that went from wholesome to horrifying real fucking quick
The space helmets are made of a material that cannot break-shatter but can only snap into bigger shards
I think in the next episode they'll discover that their nucular engines are really similar and that by taking on the fuel from the Russki wreck and due to the reduced consumable problem (was it three dead astro/cosmonauts?) they can still land on Mars...
I don’t get how the whole russian spacecraft got into orbit without a booster stage
I mean your going to need a very huge booster to launch something of that size from earth
Yes, it doesn't make sense unless the Russian didn't really care at all to use their NERVA to launch it from the earth's surface.
Gas core nuclear thermal rocket could do it, but my god that would be a dangerous engine to light on earth
@@HALLish-jl5mo but they did it anyways, at least from what i saw of the launch sequence.
They used Nuclear Engines. My guess is they refueled in LEO, then did a Trans Mars Injection burn.
When I saw the Soviet Mars 94, my first thought was, 'Is that the Death Star on top?'
The music at 3:12 reminds me a lot of the last minute of the Supermarine track from the movie Dunkirk.
I just wanna see inside one of these beautiful soviet ships. I cant imagine how cool that ship looks inside. Woulda worked fine too if the commander didnt go rouge and hot rod the nuclear engines that could barely cool. Now we'll never see the inside of the ship, and the kick ass sight of the soviets landing on mars is gone for now.
Propaganda stuff everywhere..
@@TheRealJohnHooper
What the hell are you talking about
@@pancytryna9378 About propaganda
"beautiful"?? Looks like a water tank sticked to some old ass gas tanks
I wish we could have more insight into Soviet operations in this timeline, heck maybe even a whole episode with a different pov on the ussr
Oh no
In the vast coldness of space, we are all comrades.
The soviet woman was introduced only in E06, you can easily miss her presence in rare images and frames in E05, so when she's appeared on mars it's like: who is this? wait..
This would be highly stupid to do because of the effects on the NASA ship not being designed for such a large crew. Although it shows that they only have rescued two and lost at least one, I marvel at the accuracy of those tethers to hit visors. So the overload of the life support systems will not be too great. However I think this scene ruins the story, as we know from the trailer a group makes it to the Mars surface however the nationality is obscured in this scene we get a good view of the helmets and the EVA packs which show that it is a NASA/ROSCOSMOS combined landing party.
why didnt they just beam them out? you got to keep it simple
In space no one can hear you in space.
I already watched the show till the end, but, what was the giant ball made for?
cockpit
It is kinda weird to see how the show depicts Soviets are just incapable and stupid in space technology, at the beginning of the series they show Soviets winning the moon race so that means they are ahead of NASA in means of space technology but then something happens and Soviets turn into idiots and depict as people can't even build a space ship without getting help from NASA and can't do a single thing properly.
In a sense, this can be justified due to the fact that in the real history of the USSR, it often followed the path of simply copying foreign technologies. Especially after the 60s. It was worst of all with computer technology, when copying ABM technologies led to the near death of microelectronics in the USSR. It is possible that the heavy backlog in the field of computational sciences in the USSR led to difficulties in modeling complex physical processes. Computer simulation greatly accelerates scientific progress. Without powerful computers available to the masses, the engineers of the USSR would have been forced to work the old fashioned way. And this is a long time. Although, of course, the shown level of backlog in nuclear technologies cannot correspond to reality. Given such titans of nuclear energy as Kurchatov and Sakharov, the idea that the Soviets are lagging behind in nuclear rocket engines is somewhat untenable.
@@user-yr9ql6rj3t NERVA history reflects this caricature I see your point no one put in the effort to add in what a majority of space travel is about "saftey" apparently they have moon bases and massive ship constructing space stations without MMU gear and safety cutters this easily could have been avoided had they done away with the cable which is basically the equivalent of a sycthe in zero gravity and had them develop actual experience vehicle gear that is ahead of its time like literally everything else in this show
What happened was the economic problems under the Soviet Afghan War
@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 Do they even invaded Afghanistan in FAM Universe? Even they did, i don't remember.
@@mr.tobacco1708 Hahaha my bad I was going on the Soviet Union, I need to watch FAM, this seems like a Ray Bradbury story come to life
Is this real life?
Or is it just fantasy?
@@xxTheFlyingPigxx Caught in a landslide
@@MandoMadness No escape from reality
@@Glebatron Open your eyes
@@aydointergalacticcorporati698 Look up to the skies and see
3:43 I was hoping she'd realise she had to unscrew the carabiner to make it unlock, but instead she tried pressing and tugging on it. Panic makes your head cloudy.
Why do I feel like the defector Baranov is going to have suffered an accident during all this...
Why did the British astronuat have to die?
Because space is brutal and doesn’t care where u were from
Didn't have his space loisence.
Didn't pip pip cheerio hard enough I'm guessing
To correct the deviation from the current history ;)
@@chara-cter476 but he is Scotish like me
I finally had a astronaut to relate to and he was killed by a tether
Grateful for so many veteran astronauts in the comments today…
So humbling.
She had plenty of time to unhook the tether
Why are they tethering the two spacecraft together? It's a zero-g vacuum ... you can just hook a line on each astronaut and jump off, reeling them in like a fishing rod. How did you get the tether across in the first place... they could have just done that in reverse and reeled the cosmonauts in? What are they going to do, fall off and disappear?
For one thing they’re in a hurry, secondly they aren’t equipped with docking rings or other such equipment, they had to make do with what they have, as the Russian rocket might have gone nuclear at any moment
It’s a reason why the Helios spacecraft was better because it’s floating hotel meant to retrieve spacecraft from future commercial flights
Sojourner wasn’t equipped for docking and they had to go out of their way and make do with what they have on a humanitarian mission to save the cosmonauts
I feel like there were steps they could have taken to avoid things like this from happening. These worst case scenarios are one of the main reasons why I can't get behind this show
You would expect they would check out the exterior of the ship to see it's stable to get near it
Since you it's nuclear power
Yeah the show has a really cool concept but NASA and the CCCP Space Program are so 'unprofessional' for lack of a better term. There are so many deaths and mishaps that would never happen if either space agency were even half as careful as they were in real life. And I don't get why the Soviets are so antagonistic, sure, the CCCP in it's hubris often rushed their spacecraft and that lead to a number of tragedies, but the Cosmonauts themselves were just as cooperative and careful as the NASA astronauts. NASA and the CCCP Space Program even cooperated quite a few times and it would be absurd to think either would be so reckless as to endager the other, for the sake of both the Astronauts and political tensions.
impressive, the American series has this detail, the great rival is light years ahead, then something totally forced happens that undoes years of planning and then the USA has its big dramatic turn showing its "higher moral values". I already knew that something was going to happen and the Soviets would lose, I just didn't imagine something so forced.
Well for this great rival to be light years ahead something forced called alternate history had to happen i.e., alot of dead people had to be simply reanimated and soviet vehicles wished into being for this to happen.
Have you seen the show? Bruh
Anyone know the name of the song at 3:11 ? Or has it not been released yet?
Uh oh this carabiner is a twist? Guess i cant undo it
Russian competence IRL
Uhhh...I don't think they were the one dying here? 🤔
@@nuclearwarhead9338 Their incompetence and pride resulted directly in the deaths of a cosmonaut and two astronauts in this scenario. Had Roscosmos and the Crew of Mars-94 not executed a burn which melted down their engine's reactor, they would have landed on Mars, gone back to the Soviet Union, and been heroes.
Kursk in space... Life writes these scenarios.
Diversity casting again
Tf are you talking about ?
even if she did manage to unbuckle the tether before getting crush she would of ended up drifting into space
its a tv show, they may just do a rescue plan from up their ass
Well, at least she had a good reason for joining the 'Prometheus School of Running Away From Things" 😅
I love it how this show ALWAYS screws up technical details.
There is a very good reason why in ASTP the Soviet cosmonauts never boarded Apollo - a very good reason, fundamental to Apollo's design and completely insurmountable. But the show's writers are way too superficial to figure this out, so they screw it up, because of course they do.
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@@ValentineC137 i think he means the differing pressures between soyuz and apollo spacecraft. Love commenters that are deliberately obtuse as to what the hell they're on about tho
What the hell are you talking about
@@xt43 as yes I forgot that cosmonauts are a different species and simply couldn’t survive in the Apollo atmosphere lol
Valentine here’s the thing, there’s a reason irl Apollo Soyuz had a decompression chamber hooked onto the top of the Apollo capsule. And not just to provide a docking port. The crew of astronauts had to stay for hours in the middle part while docked, going both ways. To allow their bodies to gradually become accustomed to the atmosphere the Soyuz capsule used instead of the Apollo one. I think the Soyuz one used more like pure oxygen while the Apollo used a more sea level like atmosphere. While I can’t tell you the details of why going from one to another with getting accustomed gradually, it is bad in the same way as divers have to gradually resurface or risk damaging their lungs.
we wouldn't put 3 women on a spaceship it would blow up
least misogynistic youtube commenter
My brother in Christ, we have had all women spacewalks in real life??
Based
lol that chick dying is the most replayed. hahaha
"Hey, Beavis! This chick is flat! uh-huh-huh-huh"
What do you do when a huge spaceship looms toward you? Stand absolutely still until the spaceship collides.
What happens to a rope when it snaps in space? Apparently it has so much elasticity that it whip around and break the glass of the spacesuit helmet. Oh yeah, the douche apparently don't even have the brain to turn his head to the side to avoid it hitting the glass.
In the film world portrayed, instead of the strongest and brightest being chosen for astronauts, the weakest and the dumbest are being chosen.
you can hate on the show all you want
but realisticly in a situation like you'd probably be in full sensory shock & overload and just freeze in place because your brain can't manage that much info that quickly (see reactions of people living a catastrophy, that type of reaction is well documented)
also spacesuit are bulky AF every movement is slow and you don't have that much range of motion
I think the woman's reaction was honestly a lack of training for a quick tether release in an emergency scenario. As a general rule, you don't often release your tether in an emergency, because most emergencies in space involve you drifting away from the spacecraft rather than actually needing to get away from it.
As for the guy, he did after all just watch two people die, and the tether wasn't coming back because of elasticity, it was coming back because of the tension (caused by Poole maneuvering Sojourner away from Mars-94) that was relieved when the tether snapped, causing it to recoil towards Sojourner, with what appeared to be a part of the metal cable running through it exposed. Metal cables snapping are well documented as coming back to slap stuff.
Your lack of understanding is kinda hilarious-
Just saying...
The only thing to complain about really is the Brit lifting his solar guard internal visor for no reason. We already know it's him, he's lucky he's nearly sideways to the sun or otherwise, bad eye day.
And what you do? Cut the roap and fly to emty abbys? Prolong your suffering?
Wouldnt the rope need "air"/"gravity" to for it to function like a lasso, like it did in the end to "shock" his helmet that way ?
Not necessarily. Tension is a right ole bastard so depending on just HOW the cable snapped can massively affect where it swings, since the strands won't break simultaneously, or relax at the same rate
It was a bit strange when the Joystick the Nasa pilot is using is sitting right next to me
Goddamn love this show….