The high price can easily be attributed to the extremely long term reliability. I have been in the IT field for a long time, I've owned several different models of Thinkpads. Listen to this - I still have a Gen 1 Yoga (the original yoga!) that has been living in a dirty dusty workshop which is not climate controlled and it still works like a champ - I mean that thing gets frozen down to sub zero and baked up to 100+ multiple times per year and it's totally fine. For those who are still confused about the red nipple - I wouldn't be able to use a laptop in a workshop without it, I might have nitrile gloves on so that means that the touchpad is not going to work. Nipple FTW!
Keep in mind that in a few weeks to around 2 months, this laptop will constantly go on sale. So it is overpriced right now, but that price will come down.
I'll be getting one to replace the gen 7 I use at work. And yes as you said, these laptops as expensive as f***, so previous gens are still the go to if you want one for personal use.
I have this laptop. It is great, came from x1 gen 6. Virtually zero fan noise and battery much better though not near Mac or Snapdragon still ore than enough for me and charger is small and light. Keyboard is awesome as usual. Screen is stunning but annoyingly doesnt have dynamic refresh, so i keep at 60hz unless light gaming/movie. The copilot button launches Chatgpt for me
If i was not mistaken, there is no second ssd slot for later storage expansion. The slot space you point it out in your vid is where the 5G LTE reserved for upcoming upgraded models.
The biggest disadvantage of the power button on the side is Lenovo's side power buttons are known to break when they're on the side. The plastic tab on the inner part just breaks off.
@@jsadecki1 If you like this form-factor (14 inch 16:10 aspect ratio), i think the Asus TUF A14 has a second SSD slot, it's not a business laptop, it has a dedicated GPU, but it doesn't scream gaming laptop when you look at it.
Agreed, but companies will get it at a discount price for bulk buying. Lenovo & Dell do this every year with their latest business laptops. Start with a high negotiation price and lower the price for bulk sales to large corporations. Once all the major corporations buy them that they can get, lower the price by $500 to $1000 for general consumers 6 months later. The CTO at my company has joked about this "song & dance" business transaction.
Prices are insane, but just wait a couple of months for their "sales" or wait a year for it to drop to sane pricing. Or get any of the last two gens for not that dissimilar performance and save a bundle.
The ThinkPad is the poster child for the perfect business laptop, mostly because of that keyboard. I was using one in the early 2000s, before Lenovo picked them up.
This laptop seems to be getting a lot of hate: the copilot button, the price, the OLED screen, Intel, etc. But I like it. When those discounts come it I will certainly be looking to get one.
I always love the X1 carbon lineup, my self is the x1 extreme gen 4 with the RTX3060 and for my use is more than capable because i used to play old games like WoW and other titles than dont require a lot of performance. Hard take : the battery is pretty low . But everything in count the only problem with this line is the price tag, i got mine for under 1200$ and i think it was awesome...Thanks or your videos Matthew.
Hey Matt, our company buys them and only 20% discount so really not that much. But as others mention their prices drop like rock for sales and u can already get gen 12 almost 1k cheaper from original MSRP.
Thank you for testing the PWM flicker for me - I think I can live with only PWM under 50% - that's a cut above recent years where it was at all levels. I still prefer a good IPS with DC dimming but I get why most people want OLED.
unless you want to use exclusively windows, they keyboard is not very good and too flimsy compared to cheap MBA M1, the screen is that great as well. I don't know why people skip cheapest macboo (I have owned both).
The best business laptop heading into 2025. I will only touch it if my employer pays for it, or the price drops 6 months later after Lenovo gets all the bulk big company sales.
Wish you would've said the cheaper alternatives to this laptop since you mentioned better value out there. I haven't been keeping track of the laptops in a few years because I've been focused on others things and haven't been in the market.
Jumped from always buying Carbon X1 to Asus TUF A14, couldn't be more happy, cheaper, much better, sturdy too, compact too and AMD. And I'm not gonna miss not being able to change WiFi card of 4G modem card, due to m2 ports being firmware locked to specific hardware, and the new webcam notch is so ugly.
am I the only one complaining of no amd option for this series? exactly the reason why as much as I love the x1 carbon series, I just can't consider them.
@@johnyboy2934 Official Linux support. Removable and upgradable SSDs (very important for big companies for data retention policies), and better keyboards.
One pound lighter and thinner. The X1 Carbon was never meant to be used for content creation or heavy duty processing; it's a thin, light business Ultrabook for travelling and performing light tasks such as with MS Office apps and email. For personal use, this is perfect for that. Don't expect to game, use photosphop, or edit videos on it.
@@lf170 But paying 2500 USD for a business machine ? with 1000 usd you can buy the thinkpad E14 gen 5 and it is a very good machine. With 2500 USD you can buy a macbook pro with m4 pro chip and have money left over. Too expensive for a business machine.
Yuck! Saw the Intel sticker (incremental increase in performance for gazillions of years, kept us wanting for more and more until AMD came to the rescue in 2018) and I just closed the window (came back for the comment). Not only that - with Intel you can either get performance ("Ultra Series 1") OR battery life ("Ultra Series 2"). AMD 370 AI HX - the best chip in 2024! GIVE US AMD VERSIONS!
I’ve used the “new” thinkpad keyboard and honestly it hasn’t changed really since the ol’ reliable t530 or even earlier, I’d take the MacBook keyboard any day of the week
Yeah, it's definitely not the same as the older keyboard, but the difference isn't drastic, either. I'd say the newer keyboards still get you at least 85 to 90% of the performance of the older ones, which is still a heck of a lot better than most other brands' keyboards. Also, you can't expect the slightly better keyboard on the thicker models on their thinnest ultrabook.
@ no I’m saying I’ve used the new ones, and the old one and they are definitely about 90% the same The T530 has the flat style low profile keys, even if the laptop itself is a chunky thing Look the same Type the same Haven’t changed much since they went from the caved edges shape to the flat shape Im gonna take the MacBook keyboard any day
Is laptop which is as powerful as Amd Z1 extreme with similar price like 450 dollars [in india Z1 extreme is for 450 dollars handheld] I want a laptop with igpu [APU] laptop with similar or more Power please anyone recommend me
Not sure why you are comparing this to the MB Air as the X1 model you have is £2500 in the UK, so that marries with a similar spec MB Pro 14 M4, even an M4Pro. I would then argue that if you are a consumer and do not need specific Windows software, then the MB Pro 14 M4/Pro is hands down the better choice. But, this is not really aimed at consumers, it is Enterprise, for the management, and there is good reason for that as even in Windows-land the X1 Carbon Gen 13 is a hard sell at its price for consumers that care about their hard earned.
Price-wise it's not comparable to a MB Air, but as far as design and performance, this has always been the one to compare to. A MB Pro will run circles around any X1 Carbon. But the intended use case of each is different, even if Lenovo is smoking crack when it comes to pricing AT RELEASE (we know pricing always comes down shortly after to what these should be at).
A decade of people whining about opening a laptop with one hand has brainwashed and emotionally blackmailed designers into bad anesthetics with such arbitrary notches!
Outward notch is so much acceptable than cutting the screen like what Apple does. So, I love outward notch for its functionality (larger camera internals, easier to open).
@@bungtomo1322 They're both pretty ugly. The Gen 11/10 X1 Carbon had a much lower profile notch that is barely noticeable that was a much better compromise.
Nie, nie nie. Dla mnie to nie jest model do ręki, ponieważ biznesowy musi mieć dla mnie odpowiednią przekątną ekranu. Wiem, powiecie, że mały, poręczny, jest lepszy, ale nie dla mnie. Ja wolę zdecydowanie, jak mogę wszystko dokładnie obejrzeć. Dlatego dream machines ma dla mnie ciekawe modele
I dislike this 13th gen iterration. You are wrong, lenovo DID unnecessary changes that long term corporate user of this line will dislike. 1st, they unnecessarily swapped Fn and L-Ctrl button. Traditionally, we get used to it, why need to swap like the other non thinkpad? 2nd, they put fingerprint AND copilot button in the keyboard, omitting R+ctrl and print scrin/cut button. This is unacceptable. Copilot is gimmick and one can access them easily from anyhwere in GUI, why need dedicated button. The fingerprint can also be somewhere elese in the chassis. Appreciate the option for haptic touchpad though, have not try it yet but might be good as said by some of my colleagues.
Ah yes, the modern glorified brick! Incredible how Lenovo has managed to transform the once-legendary ThinkPad series into one of the worst laptop lines on the market.
@@cameronbosch1213 Windows and ThinkPads once felt like "ours," but now Windows is cluttered with AI bloat, and ThinkPads have lost their essence. Intel's decline wasn't expected, but here we are. macOS seems like the better option now, though both macOS and high-end Windows laptops come with steep entry costs.
@@cameronbosch1213 On top of that, good tech across the market is heavily overpriced. NVIDIA inflates GPU prices, Apple overcharges for SSDs, and Windows is a mess everywhere. Many manufacturers are driven by sheer greed. Framework laptops bring a refreshing, modular concept, but they still have a long way to go before becoming truly affordable for the general market.
The high price can easily be attributed to the extremely long term reliability. I have been in the IT field for a long time, I've owned several different models of Thinkpads. Listen to this - I still have a Gen 1 Yoga (the original yoga!) that has been living in a dirty dusty workshop which is not climate controlled and it still works like a champ - I mean that thing gets frozen down to sub zero and baked up to 100+ multiple times per year and it's totally fine.
For those who are still confused about the red nipple - I wouldn't be able to use a laptop in a workshop without it, I might have nitrile gloves on so that means that the touchpad is not going to work. Nipple FTW!
"Durability"? Not with the OLED screens you don't.
@@mrbad3036 why? because of fading?
Still expensive not worth the current price. I 'll look for an older well maintained Thinkpad instead.
Not that reliable for the price.
@@mrbad3036 Agreed, I would wait for the next non-special gen 14 with IPCS screen. (if they provide this option) and maybe a 75w battery?
Keep in mind that in a few weeks to around 2 months, this laptop will constantly go on sale. So it is overpriced right now, but that price will come down.
Absolutely
They need to stop playing games and keep a consistent price
Not the laptop for video editor, gaming or rest. But definitely the laptop to show EVERYBODY that you are the BOSS!
What are the great laptops for video editing?
I'll be getting one to replace the gen 7 I use at work. And yes as you said, these laptops as expensive as f***, so previous gens are still the go to if you want one for personal use.
I have this laptop. It is great, came from x1 gen 6. Virtually zero fan noise and battery much better though not near Mac or Snapdragon still ore than enough for me and charger is small and light. Keyboard is awesome as usual. Screen is stunning but annoyingly doesnt have dynamic refresh, so i keep at 60hz unless light gaming/movie. The copilot button launches Chatgpt for me
If i was not mistaken, there is no second ssd slot for later storage expansion. The slot space you point it out in your vid is where the 5G LTE reserved for upcoming upgraded models.
2:20 caught me off guard KEKW
The biggest disadvantage of the power button on the side is Lenovo's side power buttons are known to break when they're on the side. The plastic tab on the inner part just breaks off.
@brandonw1604 yeah, my 7th gen X1 Carbon has that power button there too. Strange they went back to that design.
I haven't seen it from the inside but perhaps they've designed it better this time?
@ it’s a known issue going way back. Don’t think they’ve fixed it.
@@cameronbosch1213 yeah I have no idea why they did. Might be why turning on when opening the laptop is the default now.
There is no second SSD slot, that's for WWAN card.
A nice and affordable laptop, i don't need that second kidney anyway .
What ones do have a second ssd slot?
@@jsadecki1 If you like this form-factor (14 inch 16:10 aspect ratio), i think the Asus TUF A14 has a second SSD slot, it's not a business laptop, it has a dedicated GPU, but it doesn't scream gaming laptop when you look at it.
too expensive though..
That's why you as an executive would have your company pay for it
Agreed, but companies will get it at a discount price for bulk buying. Lenovo & Dell do this every year with their latest business laptops. Start with a high negotiation price and lower the price for bulk sales to large corporations. Once all the major corporations buy them that they can get, lower the price by $500 to $1000 for general consumers 6 months later. The CTO at my company has joked about this "song & dance" business transaction.
Amazingly expensive!!
MacBook Air much better
Yeah, this is exciting for me because this will be dirt cheap on the used market.
Prices are insane, but just wait a couple of months for their "sales" or wait a year for it to drop to sane pricing. Or get any of the last two gens for not that dissimilar performance and save a bundle.
Informative video
The ThinkPad is the poster child for the perfect business laptop, mostly because of that keyboard. I was using one in the early 2000s, before Lenovo picked them up.
@@bryans8656 Also, for Lenovo's ease of repair and durability in general.
What was all that about the nipple😭😭
Get a lady, you’ll understand
@@maxweinbach3996 To be fair, he could get a man to understand it too. 💀💀
@@brooklynt2023 It was all that about ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
😂
🤣🤣
I just grabbed a HP 1040 G11 with Meteor Lake, 32Gb RAM , Oled Screen and 1 Tb of storage at less than 1500 bucks. Bad choice?
This laptop seems to be getting a lot of hate: the copilot button, the price, the OLED screen, Intel, etc.
But I like it. When those discounts come it I will certainly be looking to get one.
Only if it wasn't thissss expensive 😢
The middle button is 360 degree scroll mode activation for the track point.
So actually you don't need track pad anymore
I always love the X1 carbon lineup, my self is the x1 extreme gen 4 with the RTX3060 and for my use is more than capable because i used to play old games like WoW and other titles than dont require a lot of performance. Hard take : the battery is pretty low . But everything in count the only problem with this line is the price tag, i got mine for under 1200$ and i think it was awesome...Thanks or your videos Matthew.
Hey Matt, our company buys them and only 20% discount so really not that much. But as others mention their prices drop like rock for sales and u can already get gen 12 almost 1k cheaper from original MSRP.
Thank you for testing the PWM flicker for me - I think I can live with only PWM under 50% - that's a cut above recent years where it was at all levels. I still prefer a good IPS with DC dimming but I get why most people want OLED.
unless you want to use exclusively windows, they keyboard is not very good and too flimsy compared to cheap MBA M1, the screen is that great as well. I don't know why people skip cheapest macboo (I have owned both).
I think I have the 2020 Modell. There the palm rejection (is that the term?) ist rather bad. How was your experience with the new one?
Thanks
What SSD is exactly being used in this laptop? Is it gen 5 SSD?
About the keyboard the finally switched the CTRL and FN keys..
I'm surprised that Overwatch was running! I've owned this laptop since August and haven't thought to give it a try haha.
What about the color fringing? Not mentioned?
I need a lighter laptop does this beat the macbook air?
7:25 ?? 2nd nvme???
The best business laptop heading into 2025. I will only touch it if my employer pays for it, or the price drops 6 months later after Lenovo gets all the bulk big company sales.
Wish you would've said the cheaper alternatives to this laptop since you mentioned better value out there. I haven't been keeping track of the laptops in a few years because I've been focused on others things and haven't been in the market.
I put together a best laptops video of 2024 that would be of better help
Awesome
Jumped from always buying Carbon X1 to Asus TUF A14, couldn't be more happy, cheaper, much better, sturdy too, compact too and AMD. And I'm not gonna miss not being able to change WiFi card of 4G modem card, due to m2 ports being firmware locked to specific hardware, and the new webcam notch is so ugly.
am I the only one complaining of no amd option for this series? exactly the reason why as much as I love the x1 carbon series, I just can't consider them.
Please flip edition that support Wacom pen!
Curious, what about the Haptic touchpad?
My unit does not have a haptic touchpad but you can spec a thinkpad with one.
@Mathew can u do a review on ASUS Vivobook Pro 16 Laptop (K6602)?
This is actually carbon fibre ? Or “carbon fibre design” means something else?
but does it have coreboot?
Watching on my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 6.
How's the nipple holding up?
@@MatthewMoniz It's still going strong and hard
how about the yoga aura edition ?
wallpaper link please
7:33 false, that's not what that slot is for. i believe it's for the cellular module
Linux support?
So why choose this over MacBook pro m4 pro or m4 ultra with that price?...other than than windows compatibility softwares
@@johnyboy2934 Official Linux support. Removable and upgradable SSDs (very important for big companies for data retention policies), and better keyboards.
One pound lighter and thinner. The X1 Carbon was never meant to be used for content creation or heavy duty processing; it's a thin, light business Ultrabook for travelling and performing light tasks such as with MS Office apps and email. For personal use, this is perfect for that. Don't expect to game, use photosphop, or edit videos on it.
@@lf170 But paying 2500 USD for a business machine ? with 1000 usd you can buy the thinkpad E14 gen 5 and it is a very good machine. With 2500 USD you can buy a macbook pro with m4 pro chip and have money left over. Too expensive for a business machine.
The price is bit hard to shallow
i love this design
co-pilot key.... wtf
Those 14 inch screens give me a headache. Way to small.
the price is unreasonable; who'd buy this over zenbook s14 with their respective prices
No one buys Lenovo thinkpads at RRP
Needs to be under 2kusd to be competitive
Agree with all the comments from other viewers about the ridiculous price, and the lack of AMD options. There are way better options out there.
The X series and T series are easily better value than any Macbooks hands down.
Yuck!
Saw the Intel sticker (incremental increase in performance for gazillions of years, kept us wanting for more and more until AMD came to the rescue in 2018) and I just closed the window (came back for the comment).
Not only that - with Intel you can either get performance ("Ultra Series 1") OR battery life ("Ultra Series 2").
AMD 370 AI HX - the best chip in 2024!
GIVE US AMD VERSIONS!
You be very careful about talking smack about stickers. The sticker guy never forgets
I’ve used the “new” thinkpad keyboard and honestly it hasn’t changed really since the ol’ reliable t530 or even earlier, I’d take the MacBook keyboard any day of the week
Yeah, it's definitely not the same as the older keyboard, but the difference isn't drastic, either. I'd say the newer keyboards still get you at least 85 to 90% of the performance of the older ones, which is still a heck of a lot better than most other brands' keyboards. Also, you can't expect the slightly better keyboard on the thicker models on their thinnest ultrabook.
@ no I’m saying I’ve used the new ones, and the old one and they are definitely about 90% the same
The T530 has the flat style low profile keys, even if the laptop itself is a chunky thing
Look the same
Type the same
Haven’t changed much since they went from the caved edges shape to the flat shape
Im gonna take the MacBook keyboard any day
first time hearing a tech channel talking about nipples and am there for it, lol!!
soldered RAM, *sigh
Is laptop which is as powerful as Amd Z1 extreme with similar price like 450 dollars [in india Z1 extreme is for 450 dollars handheld] I want a laptop with igpu [APU] laptop with similar or more Power please anyone recommend me
Not sure why you are comparing this to the MB Air as the X1 model you have is £2500 in the UK, so that marries with a similar spec MB Pro 14 M4, even an M4Pro. I would then argue that if you are a consumer and do not need specific Windows software, then the MB Pro 14 M4/Pro is hands down the better choice. But, this is not really aimed at consumers, it is Enterprise, for the management, and there is good reason for that as even in Windows-land the X1 Carbon Gen 13 is a hard sell at its price for consumers that care about their hard earned.
Price-wise it's not comparable to a MB Air, but as far as design and performance, this has always been the one to compare to. A MB Pro will run circles around any X1 Carbon. But the intended use case of each is different, even if Lenovo is smoking crack when it comes to pricing AT RELEASE (we know pricing always comes down shortly after to what these should be at).
Dude, fix the cables on the name lamp
Can't wait to buy it in 2027 for half the price
Secret Santa, anyone? 😂 Help a broke student out.
This edition is NOT upgradable to 64GB of memory.
A decade of people whining about opening a laptop with one hand has brainwashed and emotionally blackmailed designers into bad anesthetics with such arbitrary notches!
I’ll wait until this becomes $600 in a year
At 2,799€ on their website I’ll go MacBook Pro everyday
ffffff-friday was 2 days ago.
I really hate the webcam notch on all lenovos. Its ugly.
Many people love it
Not a deal breaker
Outward notch is so much acceptable than cutting the screen like what Apple does. So, I love outward notch for its functionality (larger camera internals, easier to open).
It's OK. Look at today's phones lol. That's why I keep my Sony Xperia.
@@bungtomo1322 They're both pretty ugly. The Gen 11/10 X1 Carbon had a much lower profile notch that is barely noticeable that was a much better compromise.
If this ran Mac OS with an M chip it would be the perfect laptop
@@blackice214 I hate macOS. And Windows. At least Lenovo does officially support Linux on this laptop!
😂
They have what you're looking for, it's called a "Macbook".
@ it’s heavy, I like thinkpads keyboard and outer black heavy duty finish
I dreamed of this at one point. Prefer carbon fibre over aluminium
2024: Cameras on laptop still suck
Thunderbolt 4 ..
Why all Tech influencers avoid showing the retail price of the product they review?
C'mon people, start doing the needful from your next videos.
Are you ok? I show the price when I list the specs at 5:07 and I mention the price again in the conclusion. I need you to WAKE UP
Nie, nie nie. Dla mnie to nie jest model do ręki, ponieważ biznesowy musi mieć dla mnie odpowiednią przekątną ekranu. Wiem, powiecie, że mały, poręczny, jest lepszy, ale nie dla mnie. Ja wolę zdecydowanie, jak mogę wszystko dokładnie obejrzeć. Dlatego dream machines ma dla mnie ciekawe modele
That tumor on the top though
Too expensive with no resale value or demand like a MacBook. PC laptops and x86 is almost dead like a Betamax.
Nice product, but way too overpriced compared to 🍎
I don't like the top notch era. I looked better before.
Asus zenbook s14 with Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 is better and literally half the price.
To expensive too slow.
Webcam was trash
Very expensive
he is talking about other nibble
I dislike this 13th gen iterration. You are wrong, lenovo DID unnecessary changes that long term corporate user of this line will dislike. 1st, they unnecessarily swapped Fn and L-Ctrl button. Traditionally, we get used to it, why need to swap like the other non thinkpad? 2nd, they put fingerprint AND copilot button in the keyboard, omitting R+ctrl and print scrin/cut button. This is unacceptable. Copilot is gimmick and one can access them easily from anyhwere in GUI, why need dedicated button. The fingerprint can also be somewhere elese in the chassis.
Appreciate the option for haptic touchpad though, have not try it yet but might be good as said by some of my colleagues.
Soo... based on the nipple rant... you might need to find a GF, dude... 😂
Just for the nipple you don’t have to buy whole laptop 🤣 better buy Zenbook duo - much better
Nah ASUS TUF A15 better ong
Nice pfp 💯
@ thank you? :D
I don’t like the nipple. That fact that it’s just there irritates me..
just dont tell that to your gf
omg
Ah yes, the modern glorified brick!
Incredible how Lenovo has managed to transform the once-legendary ThinkPad series into one of the worst laptop lines on the market.
@surajjaiswal1371 the last good YhunkPad was the T480. Once they removed hot swappable batteries, that was the end imo.
@@cameronbosch1213 Windows and ThinkPads once felt like "ours," but now Windows is cluttered with AI bloat, and ThinkPads have lost their essence. Intel's decline wasn't expected, but here we are. macOS seems like the better option now, though both macOS and high-end Windows laptops come with steep entry costs.
@@cameronbosch1213 On top of that, good tech across the market is heavily overpriced. NVIDIA inflates GPU prices, Apple overcharges for SSDs, and Windows is a mess everywhere. Many manufacturers are driven by sheer greed. Framework laptops bring a refreshing, modular concept, but they still have a long way to go before becoming truly affordable for the general market.
@@surajjaiswal1371 Or putting Linux on the ThinkPad X1 Carbons. I will never use Windows or macOS again if I don't have to.
@@cameronbosch1213 Yeah! If the thinkpad series is brought back like how it used to be with linux out of the box