Toyota GR Yaris vs Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2 - Is The Yaris As Good As A Real Rally Legend?
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Thanks to our good friend Ben I have been able to come out and have another go of the baffling but brilliant Lancia Delta Integrale Evo 2. This time round, there's a twist - as I'm comparing it with the all new Toyota GR Yaris. Nearly three decades separate these two, but both were created for the same reason - as proper homologation specials.
The Yaris may not actually ever get to compete, but does it have the same genes that have made the Integrale such an icon?
#GRYaris #Lancia #Integrale
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Even if the Yaris never hits a start line in WRC it's been a stroke of genius on the part of Toyota. From nowhere they have become the only hot hatch maker that anyone actually enjoys driving. Forget your Golf R.
3 constructor championships now....
No-one argues about the abilities of the GR Yaris, but my heart goes for the Integrale! What a car!!! Good comparison test!
How things change, i remember in early 2000s, Deltas were dirt cheap, cuz they were considered unreilable(true) and outdated, now decent one cost arm and leg
@@misa664 They were. I sold my 16v in 98 for 10k and my evo in 99 for 15k, both low milers. Wish I still had them both, especially the black 16V with wonderful green alcantara seats. The yaris is never going to be as desirable as the delta!
@@nigelfranklin4752 yes, i would love to own this Yaris, and it is objectively better and more modern car, but Deltas will always be more desirable
@@misa664 The main problem was the clutch burning out constantly, if I remember correctly.
So typically Italian: up the power but don't bother to upgrade the clutch.
@@nigelfranklin4752 yes I bought my Evo2 for £9700 in 2003.. one of the best car choices I have ever made.. couldn't afford one now had I waited... crazy money these days!
Just look at the Integrale…. I know technology moves on but beauty stays the same.
I wouldn’t call the Delta Integrale’s beautiful, they’re purposeful, and tough looking, but they’re not exactly pretty.
Completely agree, would love to own the Delta
@@Jonathan_Doe_ I know it's no DB4 Zagato. But when I see one it just stops me in my tracks. My own car would see it off for dead, if I could afford one and be able to run one, I would.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ depends on the way you look at it... check how original delta looked at 1979 when it came out. Then compare that with evoluzione it is a masterpiece of details added to the car. In person in my opinion this car looks different then any other car on the road
@@markcompton6750 The deltas have the same issue the GR Yaris has, the factory tunes hold them way back for emissions/insurance purposes.
Guy who runs a garage near me has a Delta with the boost turned up a bit, bigger injectors and a bigger intercooler.. It’s still a weapon by modern standards. He’s got an order in for Circuit Pack GR to go with it now though 😂
I got to drive a nearly new one of these in the same livery back in the early 90s. A mate of mine worked for Lancia and had to deliver one up to a dealer in Essex so I went along for the ride. I still remember the moment he picked me up and immediately floored it from outside my house. The performance of these was ballistic for the time.
I hope the oil was warmed up, they famously needed that if you didn’t want to shred the cams and end up with a blocked oil filter full of swarf 😅 agree though incredible cars at the time. I drove a 16v in the early 90’s and own an EVO 2 now, which is my pride and joy. They’re not quick by modern standards but keep up well enough and the drive is still sublimely go-kart like 👌
You’re on fire with these classics lately dude.
When the Yaris was parked next to the Delta, I can't believe how big it is! New cars are just too big and seems only getting bigger .
Also, I'll take the Lancia.
Safety gonna safety.
It’s not size for sizes sake though. The Yaris is stable as a table, the wide track makes it really planted.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ A wide car is cool,but a tall is not !Yaris looks like a minivan next to the lancia
Agreed. I was shocked to see the bloated proportions of the GR Yaris. Virtually every car made today is on steroids. By itself, the GR Yaris looks like a small pocket rocket but next to the Integrale the Yaris looks like a balloon from the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Even Porsches look like blimps.
@@Brickinasock So its not what it looks like then?
Your first review of the GR Yaris was spot on but the joy of driving it means you don’t care less about boot space, rear seat and the mirror is a really easy adjust. It gives me the thrill of driving my fiesta RS turbo around the country lanes back in the 80s at what must now be stupid speeds and It’s like the early lotus Elise’s a joy to drive, who cares about the interior. Each trip brings a smile to my face.
I enjoyed that. I owned a Delta HF Turbo for 10 years and loved it until a dark stormy night and a bend I thought I could go round at 80mph sealed it's fate. The Integrale is still my dream car but perhaps it's a good job that I never got one.
Back in those days with no traction control and poorer tyres, we can actually be thankful we did not have a powerful car if we used to push it back then. You needed proper caution. The crashes with the faster cars were faster... A friend worked for a company called Datel and told me his boss and two others died in a Mac f1. Eton Musk totalled his showing off to his PayPal founder who asked him, "so what can it do?" Musk floored it in a straight line and immediately span off the road.
I am utterly amazed Toyota built a modern skunk works manual rally car given current regulations, let alone one as good as this. To those that own one, never sell it there will never be a car like this again. One for sunday drives when all ICE cars are banned in a few years time. I want one …
I had a lancia from new, LHD is a pain at car parks but the damn thing was so unreliable, it spent 12 of the first 18 months at the dealership being repaired from a constant stream of faults by which point it has to go.
The 3 ST205s I had from new all worked utterly flawlessly
We have motorsport enthusiast CEO Akio Toyoda to thank.
I had 8v as a daily driver, never saw this unreliability often mentioned. Stupidly sold it by which time it had over 160k km on the clock
My 16v evo2 has been with me for 18 years.... has never let me down.... not once...when I bought it I was worried about reliability but fortunately for me the rumours haven't been proved right! And it's now got over 100k miles on the clock.
@@peterjennings8258 lmfao, 100k in 18 years that’s a babied garage queen, I was doing 35k a year with a lot of stints stuck in huge traffic jams
@@ericpisch2732 hardly..... garage queen integrales have half that on them.... but anyway...the point is.... I have had it 18 years and its been reliable.... its a 28 year old car.... and an Italian one..... OK?
Excellent video (as always) and an interesting comparison, you could make a mini-series out of this format, it's original and I quite like it.
"Icon Vs Upstart" is a great name as well.
When Toyota first announced the GR Yaris. You were the only one with a serious video on the announcement so I sat there and watch a man sit across a table and talk about an announcement for a hot hatch.
Fast forward some months, I watched every video of yours and ordered a GR Yaris this summer!
Toyota llaris gr bárbaro juguete serio Park circuito lancia caballo viejo no diversión como llaris
The applause Toyota is receiving for this car will go on for years and as it rightly should
Fantastic video of two awesome cars. Really interesting to see them compared side by side but my hearts with the Integrale 😉👌🏻👍🏻
Great honest review. I totally agree with the conclusion, such a shame the GR never had the chance to go proper rallying in this form. But still an utterly fantastic little car, I just love mine 😀
We have four highly modded GR in Aus Rally. Yeah not the WRC but something.
Ditto.
I am 2000 miles in my GR now and appreciating its’ driving qualities more and more. Plenty not right about it - not best Mway cruiser, ICE driver aid tech not brilliant, seat height and viz out not the best, but, nothing I have ever driven threads itself down a bumpy wet UK B road quite as well as the GR, when you take it by scruff of neck. Sublime.
It does go rally competitions and already won championships! You just don’t follow rally sport.
@@lulolee5325 yes I know but it doesn’t get the media coverage etc that it would if it was doing WRC. Not taking anything away from what is a great car but it’s not like joe public is going to know it’s a proper rally weapon in the same way as a lot of people will know of things like Subaru Impreza and Mitsubishi Evo.
Toyota might not have made much money objectively on the GR Yaris, but boy, what a branding exercise. It has been backed up - under the guruship (!) of Mr Toyoda - by quality hardware, that ticks all the boxes admittedly. But the buzz created around the GR Yaris' introduction is like no other car launch that I can recall. Superb.
Another superb thing is the rate and quality of output from this channel. Bravo, sir! 👏😎 👍👌
Porsche gets similar type of buzz when they launch a new gt3 but yeah, in my last 20-25 of being a car enthusiast, I don't remember any car to pull up such a feat.. maybe the mk5 gti?!, but, honestly, only the gt3s until now. I'm so pissed on myself for giving up my allocation last year as per today(last week in fact), they are all sold out in my country until the end of 2023.
Deciding what car I would rather have is impossible, they're both great. I'd love to see a 22B review as well.
A P1 or RB5 would hit the spot nicely as well. Not everything has to be about the 22B.
@@5555petros but you have to acknowledge the 22B is the king.
I'd take the lancia in a heartbeat, without hesitation.
Back in the 80s and early 90s all my mates - in England, which included one who's dad owned a Toyota dealership, definitley called them a 'Celicka' and I still do - so there you go
The Delta Integrale will always win, just on looks
Agreed
Yes indeed. The Yaris is not a looker. That said, I could accept it if it was just "ugly". But it goes beyond that. It looks like Mickey Mouse's daily driver and that is unforgivable.
@@nickegan3988 No it doesn’t. Delta Integrale has inferior aerodynamics. GR Yaris still looks better than Porsche 911...
This episode goes down as iconic! Great review and thought to pitch these together
Great review James - Look forward to you driving our Subaru 22b soon!
Looking at the teaser from Gazoo Racing, the GR Yaris will still be used as the basis for their upcoming hybrid WRC cars. At least in terms of bodywork it does relate to GR Yaris.
Nice shirt! Cool car. Can’t wait for to review the GR86. Think I will order the GR86 asap. But luv the lil GR Yaris
GR86 will be an epic car.
Thanks J, enjoyed this new v old comparison, both great cars!
Finally! A GR Yaris review from you!
he's already done a review, but I get your point
Enjoyed this one Jay (from one of the nutters who ordered a base because the convenience pack wasn't an option last July!) (It'll get an LSD and then some bits soon enough :D)
A very informative video, a good comparison. Technology and engineering really has come on over the years and it truly shows in the gr yaris, but the integrale is just wow, a proper classic.
Jay: If speed is something that interests you
Me: yes.
Very lucky I got a GR Yaris Rallye, it's epic, but still have a great admiration for Delta HF, as it was my first childhood dream car.
I passed a guy in one the other day, i was practically handing him my SLK55 keys, just out of sheer begging for a chance to own one of those Yaris machines. Amazing cars with an insane wait-list.
I love that at the very start of the video, if you turn subs on, when the Delta revs it says "music". Appropriate.
Great stuff, and we all guess wrongly sometimes, I’m thinking this one is a winner, a year on from the video.
That Lancia is one the the most special cars and I would give my left ear to own one
What about the right one?
Lancia Delta Integrale charmed young people of the world.
30 years ago, I went to a Lancia dealer to see.
I live in Japan, but when the new car price is converted into a US dollar, it's 55,000 dollars. 30 years before. 1990.
It wasn't the price which can be bought for young people. It was a car of a dream only in that.
A good part in GR Yaris is 40,000 dollars at the new car price. 2021.
That Evo 2 is such a looker!
It's amazing how big and bulky modern cars are, even the small ones, in comparison with older ones. I know safety is extremely important but something has been lost aesthetically that's for sure. The integrale is timeless
As a kid, I thought the Lancia was a E30 M3 hatchback :D
Damn shame about the regs to get that Yaris rallying, but even so it's a great exercise in the making cars for the love of it. (Mitsubishi take note).
Been lucky enough to spot Ben cruising that Lancia around town, fair play to him it's pretty damn class
Nothing like a father and son car story... Not that we're biased 😉
Two very cool cars! Both cars I'd love to drive one day! Great review as always!!
The people who call sell-I-ca’s sell-I-ca’s are known as Americans and my teacher at school told us that they can only see things as if looking in a mirror; so everything is reversed and also that they pee out of the mouth- or a tube opening within the mouth but not well understood.
Never looked in to it but this video reminded me of it. Americans we were taught are a race with the reversed vision, the ejection mouth, primitive evolutionary progress as compared to European or eastern blood lines.
That was what we were taught in the 90’s to explain it but don’t know if it is still taught.
It did make sense because some of the products they produce etc were very primitive and things must be simplistic for the users understanding as well as everything inverted as if viewed through a mirror. So there is some evidence for what Mr Albion taught us after all - but as I said I don’t know whether they still think so these days. A lot has changed since way back when I was in the classroom.
Nothing will every replace the delta intergrale , it's a legend forever ,
2 beautiful and interesting cars, the Grale is in my dream 10 car garage and always will be. The GR?, has potential.....
EDIT: Excellent comparison.
Still is and always will be my dream car .blu lagos evo2 my perfect car.ive owned 3 hf turbos but never managed to get a grale. Totally out of my price range now
The Yaris is tight. The Lancia is dripping with personality. Easy to see the better of the two.
To me it was cool right up until Shmee bought one! 😅
It’s ok he completely does not get it and hates it and is going to sell it so it’s still cool
😂
Poor Shmee
When I find out that Schmee has "bought" certain car my brain automatically sends it to the uncool wall 😂😂
@@liberty0758 just check his views, extremely low for the cara he has
1 year? I test drove on in early July and decided to put a deposit down just when I heard that the 2022 allocation was sold out. My dealer said they were taking deposits for 2023 and my expected delivery date is June 2023. I have a sneaky feeling that they don't even know if it will be built for that long but we're quite happy to take my grand.
SHEESH
I have a gr Yaris on order for very late 2022. I could have got it earlier when I ordered back in the spring, but must be about the only person in the country that actually asked Toyota to delay delivery. By that stage we will have a much better idea of price trajectory, what used market will do with these- depreciation/ appreciation wise. It could go either way and my deposit is refundable. Having said that, I'm not expecting to make money on the thing, they made far too many for that, just, if it looks like owning one for a couple of years could work out cheapish due to ongoing 'last of an era' hype, it will be a fun thing to do. I had an Integrale in the 90s. A white 8valve one with the rhd conversion. They were converted with a standard fiat tipo rack, which meant they went from the quick 2. Something turns lock to lock on the LHD cars to 3. something turns. This was the major issue with these cars, along with rust, poor electrics etc. You either had to live with driving a LHD, or shit steering, either of which made them disappointing to live with. I smashed mine up in the snow and still sold it at a small profit even factoring in the cost of repairs and a full respray. Although I did give 2.5 k for it in the first place which helped in that.
I remember taking my friend to a Lancia dealer to test drive an Integrale. We went in my car as, at the time, I owned a Renault 5 GT Turbo (which was about 2.5 years old) and he owned an old Fiat 128 and felt that my car would be more credible for us to arrive in (which proved to be correct). As it turned out, I knew more about the car than the sales person (telling him things about it that, had he been a 'petrol head' would have known). Sadly I didn't get to drive it (as I wasn't 'looking to buy it'), but it was a couple of levels above my 5 GTT in performance terms - a memorable experience...😊
While the GR Yaris is a great modern car, it will never be the homologation car of a rally legend.
You don't know that lol. It may the next rally legend. And the GR Yaris is a homologation special depending on how the rules will pan out.
@@carlosandleon
It will not. 2022 regulations are long set, and they do not even require the base body shell of a street car anymore, WRC cars have completely turned into prototypes now. It will be homologated for lesser classes, however.
GR Yaris already is. You just don’t follow rally sport.
@@lulolee5325
It will be the homologation model for lesser classes of rally car. Homologation requirements for WRC are so lax beginning in 2022 the GR Yaris can hardly be called a homolgation car.
A lot of biased nostalgia in the comments. Quick to forget the leaky upper sump seal, turbo seal, camshaft wear, 20,000 mile cam belt changes, weak third gear, cracked brake hoses, siezed brakes, easily cracked A & B Pillars due to poor shell ridgidity, sway bar links failing prematurely, leaky bonnet, and overall corrosion prone. Let it go :)
This is the best car comparaison I can think of
Glad you changed your mind on the GR Yaris. Sadly, like you say, it will never race as it was planned to be the homologation special for 2021. Now we all know that Covid interfered with Toyota's plans, FIA decided to twist the rules and allow constructors to run the 2020 model through 2021. However, next year the homologation special will have to show some sort of hybridation to be allowed to race in WRC in 2022. So the future GR Yaris is bound to look just about the same from the outside, and seemingly, Toyota could end up making some money on this car seeing that they have decided to make more than 25 000 units due to the unexpected demand for the GR Yaris all over the world.
Last year when I ordered mine in December, Toyota had allocated only 300 units for the French market, but there are more than 1000 orders more on waiting list since June when I received mine...
When the Evo 2 Delta came out it was the only Mk1 Delta on sale and was built by Maggiora not Lancia
The intergrale I love from driving it on playstation as a child, but knowing how the GR Yaris drives in real life i'd always pick that to actually live with. The intergrale is a collectable at this point and I could never thrash it how it deserves to be thrashed.
Great review Jay! 😉
Integrale all day long for me. Can't get past the Noddy-car looks of the Yaris.
Top video, as usual James. And like earlier comments,I'd love to see more comparison videos between old and new. It's not about which is best, but which one nailed it's original brief best. Ordinary cars maybe, like Mondeo mk1 vs Bmw 3 series, Ax Gt vs Swift sport, Renault Scenic vs Kuga, that type of thing. Anyway, I look forward to more of this content! 👍👍
These are light cars. Having "special interior" would add a lot of weight.
By special, I don't think he means adding things like massage seats. Pretty sure he just means making some surfaces look or feel nicer.
also cost. these cars are both based on economy cars. making special interior with stuff like leather, carbon and such would just increase the cost of the car alot.
I don't believe that a little bit of soft touch material, suede and leather costs the manufacturer much at all or weighs very much at all. £33k is a lot of money for a tuned up city car. It's not cheap at all.
@@MadelnMachines yes. and it all goes into the performance. if they also cake up the interior you can slap an additional 1.5k onto that price, if not more. it is not such a problem on more expensive cars since many options on those already feature leather, carbon and stuff like that so they can mass produce these parts. making new, expensive interior parts for those few special models is just not worth it.
they already dont make much money on cars like this anyways (if they dont even lose money) so they will try to make anything else cheap.
@@MadelnMachines it's not a tuned up city car though, Toyota make a loss on the GR Yaris
Fun review between two great cars. Love Red GR the reason I own one.😎
PS Now for inside just put dark sunglasses on and enjoy. I never cared much about inside. It's built well but little colour would have been nice. Still not the end of the world.😎😎
Just got mine yesterday - and it’s MEGA
Great video, watching it while watching LeMans. 🤞Toyota GR 1,2.
Win on Sunday....Sell on Monday. Toyota are on a roll.
I will own both of these, love both of these soooo sooo much, breathtaking cars
I love the GR Yaris sold a 991.2 GTS RWD coupe last year and replaced with the GR and while the 991.2 is a GREAT drivers car so far I have enjoyed driving the GR even more .
Great video Jay! It’s unfortunate that the Lancia is now ‘unjustifiably’ expensive as I’d give my right arm to own one. Problem now is, even if I was in a position to spend upwards of £70k on a weekend toy, it’s a tough sell compared to other more modern cars at that price which would be objectively better in every way as a drivers machine.
Early 8 & 16v Grale’s are cheaper than the Evo’s .
It’s not just about ‘better’ but I agree, £70k or even £50k buys a lot of emotion !
Ça faudrait essayer avant de commenter comme quoi la Delta il y a meilleur, essayez,vous verrez,d,autant plus si elle est préparée.
I'd have a GR over an integrale any day
My own personal experience with the integrate is the cars they sold for road use are not strong
If you are a driver
Save the money and buy the Toyota
Likely, very wise words!
Great if you've owned one and it's gone up in value, although you've Likely spent a small fortune keeping it going!
But regarding reliability 🤣😂😂😂
There's the almost certain correct answer!!!
Father had 2 maseratis and the Quattroporte, brand new, some years ago now had significant electrical problems affecting the manual gearbox paddles override etc...
Had to be recovered whilst driving abroad.
Fingers crossed the GR Yaris continues the toyota reliability legacy. Otherwise, it's the slightly yawn worthy German alternatives....😏
love mine!!! its got 827 miles on the clock so far according to "My Toyota app" its a weapon. using the soft limiter to launch the car is wicked
Should the Yaris be more compared with the Escort Cosworth? It too was something Ford threw together for the sole purpose, wasn't the Integrala more of a car that "evolved" into being the car we remember. If my memory serves me right...🤔 Great vid though 👍
Yes, but It still raced. It was made to race too.
Honestly the Yaris just looks silly compared to the classic shape of the Lancia. A true rally legend 👍
The GR Yaris looks like an awesome car. I don't know if I'd rather have it or the GR86.
The engine in the 86 would probably be more trouble free in the long run.
The Delta Integrale is a dream car of mine I’d have it on looks alone
I’d love to drive a Yaris as they get raved about but I’d struggle with the looks to buy one
Both Lancia Delta HF Integral Evo 2 and Toyota GR Yaris are truly the coolest World Rally Championships inspired performance cars.
Nope. You forgot Lancia Delta S4, 037, Stratos, Ford Cosworths, Peugeot 205 T16, Audi Quattros, Subarus, and so on...
@@eni3995 I never forget and always add Lancia Delta S4, Lancia 037, Lancia Stratos, Ford Escort RS Cosworth, Peugeot 205 T16, Audi Quattro, Subaru Impreza 22b Sti, plus much more rallye cars.
Integrale is a damn classic. However, I'll take the Yaris. Lower running costs;)
Good point. $60 a year running cost for the Yaris. $3,000 a year running cost for the Integrale.
Cannot believe the comments about the steering.... have owned my evo2 for 18 years.... and have always found it precise, nicely weighted....with great feedback ..
Harry Metcalf owned one, reviewed it...and raved about it.
And all integrale were left hand drive... only the 2wd cars up to the hf turbo could be bought RHD from the factory.... all RHD integrale are conversions in the UK. Of differing quality..... the propper 2.5 turns steering rack was never made in RHD form.... hence the conversion Fiat Regatta rack is lower geared...
Second that. I have owned an Evo 1 for 20 years and NOTHING else steers like it. Especially now with overweighted electrically assisted zero feedback too light steering. If this one didn't steer like the best thing he'd ever driven, there was something wrong with it
Nice video as always
They used to say the same about the late 80’s Mazda 323 4x4 turbo. That didn’t look great either!
GR Yaris daily, Delta Intergrale weekend
If you could drive Harry's GR Yaris with the Ohlins suspension pack, you might be amazed again!.
Nitrons, not Ohlins.
I would take the Yaris tbh. Imagine going anywhere in the Delta without being concerned about the car or other people doing anything to the precious thing. I'd be affraid to hoon it. The Yaris tho, that's a different thing. The question is tho, how is the Yaris compared to your Celica GT-Four now it's been sorted, can you feel the linage at all?
I'd be more worried about the car falling apart on me than anything about value/rarity
@@papa_pt well that too
Well, as for the concern about the GR Yaris having a go or not in the WRC, it's May 22nd, 2022 as I write these lines, and after 4 rounds of the championship, includind the Rally of my Country (Portugal), the Toyota has claimed its 3rd victory in a row with Kalle Rovampera. Even better, it claimed 1st, 2nd and 4th today, with Elfyn Evans and Takamoto Katsuta being beaten to 3rd by Dani Sordo in a Hyundai i20 Rally1 in the very last (Powerstage) moment. Even knowing that there are few technical resemblance between the standard GR Yaris and the Rally1 spec car, in my opinion Toyota nailed it for marketing purposes. This car in real life is on a good way to become an icon of its own. And how i'd love to get my hands on one...
Integrale was a beast But I have never owned a car that would break more. Was a delight and King on mountain roads.. never drove anything better.. but damn I was always scared it would break
Would love a rich man, poor man series? As in the car you want from a class vs the more cost effective alternative for the masses?
I DO wish our frolicsome friend would learn the difference between beige, fawn, and buff! Of course, I shouldn't expect it: his wardrobe clearly makes it clear that he is colour-blind.
Really build them like Honda does the type R and fucking annihilate the market. People will buy this over a Type R in a heartbeat in the states. Build more of them!
That red is perfect for the Yaris.
Update: When I saw a red in the flesh, it didn't "pop" quite like it seems to in a few videos I've seen. All irrelevant, the only one I could actually get was a Pearl White one, so that's what I got :)
To be fair, the GR Yaris does get its rally journey albeit not through WRC, but through Neil Bates Motorsports from down under with their GR Yaris AP4
The Yaris has to be technologically superior to a 30 year old 'equivalent' car, it wouldn't just be shocking, it'd be embarassing if wasn't, but you have to remember the Integrale is from the time of the Sierra Cosworth and Audi Quattro, and it comprehensively beat them both. That's where it's legendry status comes from. As for the steering and gearchange, well it's a 30 year old car, even if it's refurbished, it's still a 30 year old car. So I think some allowance has to be made for the age gap ... Will the Yaris fare so well against the hydrogen cars of 2050 I wonder ... here's a tip though ... if you want 90% of the driving experience of an Integrale for a fraction of the cost, try a Delta HF Turbo, I bought one new, in preference to an Integrale, back in 1990, because the Integrale was too good to have fun with, the HF Turbo allows you to have safe fun on the public roads a lot easier and it still has that impecciple balance and soul!
what is your take on the grmn yaris compared with the gr yaris
Give it time and it will be better. We like to forget about the faults. Look at the countach
By itself, the GR Yaris looks like a small pocket rocket but next to the Integrale the Yaris looks like a balloon from the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
great review 👍
Lancia Delta Integrale anytime!
No contest. Intergrale anyday.
You need to drive one on a soft forest set up and nobbly forrest tyres 👍
I think you were right originally, the yaris is having trouble selling. Just look on Autotrader and theres 98 GR Yaris's (10 regular GR, 80 Circuit Pack, 1 Convenience, 7 Sport) for sale. That's more than Civic Type R's (from 2019 onwards there are 57 Type R GT's and 4 Sport Lines for sale) and other hot hatches. Ok not all of them are from Toyota dealers but it does look like other dealers bought them to sell them on with jacked up prices of nearly £40k. For such a limited run car, that's a lot of them still up for sale. In terms of the year long wait, some of that will be due to the supply shortage.
Trouble selling - you are joking. You now CANNOT order one, all you can do is join a waitlist for 2023 IF they make anymore. Most of the ones advertised are not stock cars, and others are speculators selling for profit over list.
@@relentlesspursuit6894 So how many of the 93 cars are not stock cars and how many are speculators? What I'm saying is that there's more GR Yaris's available right now on Autotrader than a lot of other hot hatches. Just look yourself. But the narrative on youtube I keep hearing is that you can't get one. For a fair comparison, from 2020 onwards, theres only 23 RS3's on sale on Autotrader, 32 RS Q3's, 54 BMW M2's, 32 i30 N's, 61 A45's, 24 Megane RS's, 33 Leon Cupras, 80 Golf R's. I'm not sure why you mention that all you can do is join a waitlist for 2023 if they make any more, from the start the GR Yaris has always been a limited run car so that was expected. It's probably why the speculators bought so many to try and scalp profits.
@@Harpreet06 go in to a Toyota dealer and try to order a "brand new" GR - the answer you will get is "Sorry, it's not possible!"
You can buy used, but look how many used Golf R / S3 / A45 etc are available - thousand's
People are buying used GR's anc paying many thousands over list price - no other hot hatch attracts such demand!
@@relentlesspursuit6894 Obviously, they stopped making them. For any car that's stopped being made, go in a dealer and ask them to order one, they'll say "Sorry, it's not possible!" too. Actually for most cars right now the wait times are until next year anyway with the semiconductor shortage.
"You can buy used, but look how many used Golf R / S3 / A45 etc are available - thousand's" - Exactly!! There are more of those cars made but somehow there are less of them on sale then the limited run GR Yaris. Why is that?
"People are buying used GR's anc paying many thousands over list price - no other hot hatch attracts such demand!" - It doesn't look like they are tbh with how many are for sale, see point above. I think the average person who's spending £35-40k on a hot hatch would rather have a faster 5 door Mercedes/Audi than a 3 door Toyota Yaris.
@@Harpreet06 the average hot hatch buyer probably isnt looking at a GR as it's not a hot hatch in the traditional sense - it's an homologation car.
You cannot buy a GR under the original list price, which you cannot say for any of the cars you mention. The GR is also faster than any small hatch round a wet twisty B road, is infinitely more special and will hold its value much better too - hence why people will wait 2 years for one or pay over cost to get into one.
Your original point of it not selling well is rubbish - its sold out ; I'd consider that a good seller!
A good honest review.
Perhaps just as well you didn't go full on sport mode in that Yaris as a friend got into a spot of bother in his when the tail broke away.
I've never driven either of these cars but in my mind the Delta is special (though probably flawed). The Yaris is probably an excellent car in many ways, I don't know if it's special.
Lol....
Was it wet at the time and was esc disabled?! Also, was it the one in the video!!?
Cheers.
@@James-RJM I believe it may well have been caught in camera. Not spoken to him. About it but I'm told the driver aids may well have been switched off.
Clearly they can give a false sense of security and catch you off guard.
@@markonmotoring Wise words!😉😄
I think this is why I am not too fussed with the GR Yaris. It is great for those to have a daily homologating special but I already have a modified ST205 so the GR Yaris just isn't the same. I am looking more forward to the GR86 as it offers a completely different take.
It IS the same, that’s your problem, it’s an itch that’s already scratched by your ST205
I think I will prefer the principle of a lightweight RWD, low centre of gravity GR86, but I have a bad feeling that it will be on the shadow of the GR Yaris in the UK at least. Simple because hatchback body cars sell better (despite the GR Yaris' small space, and 0-60 grabs most people's attention more.
I'm super excited about the GR86. That steering is delightful, gear changes are amazing and balance superb.
Loved my 2015, can't wait for the new model.
I think the reason for GR Yaris' success - and it is true, you see more and more of them cropping up - is that it is perfect for the roads of today in this country, and urban environments, for the b-road squirts, and an easy size to park and chuck about... but with a hot chilli up its bottom. It harks back to an era when hot hatches were actually small. Today, hot hatches are enormous! 😉
true.. but not only in uk. I don't think anywhere on this planet, bar the us, the roads are bigger or wider. On my favourite roads near me, if I see a tractor driving towards me, I know my right side wheels will get in the dust/dirt/pebbles outside the asphalt, as for sure we will not fit both on the road.
parked next to one, my 10 year old fast Leon looked huge. I never wanted a car more than this small gry but, yeah, life and a big house renovation meant I had to give up my allocation last year... and now, they are all sold out in my country until the end of 2023. Only SH market if I will want to buy one.. and the fveckers are charging up to 8k-10k extra for below 1000 kms ones.
problem with the yaris is the suspension is really hard. It doesn't like bumps
Great review
Always wonder how robust and how much longevity these 3 pots will offer. Awesome car though.
Well Toyota give it a 10 year warranty so…
I said the same thing when Ford brought out the 1.0 EcoBoost engines and they still seem to be going strong after all these years, it would seem that three-pots are the future after all!
AMG pumping out 310 kW out of a 2L, the 1.6L GRY engine has plenty of headroom.
Is the Integrale's steering bad?
I never heard anyone else say that.
Back in the mid 90's, I had the option of an Integrale, Escort Cosworth or the Sunny GTiR. I picked the Sunny as i thought on a back to back test, the Sunny was the better car for a daily, something confirmed by a friend with a mallard green Escort. on numerous blasts out in the Derbyshire countryside.
I see the Yaris as the modern equivalent of the Sunny, if it wasnt for me swapping to to a P85D and my need for a more serene place to be, I would have one now. Although perhaps its not aimed at a 50+ year old, even if he still thinks he is 20.
The Yaris could well become an icon, and fair play to it but, the Delta will always be the icon of icons.
Nice Spitfire shirt!!