I really like that years of playing and watching melee translates to understanding Rivals as a spectator. There are little things I don't understand but comboing and neutral, for the most part, all make sense
Ranno has a 3 frame nair that combos into almost anything and a 4 fram back air that covers an entire platform 5:00. That guy failed to mention that when talking about Ranno’s “problems” in the air lol
I think they were talking about ranno's air movement being really slow. He has great buttons in the air tho (I don't see people talking about it but ranno f-air is really good)
Frame 4 Nair and Frame 5 Bair, but your point still stands about how good the frame data is. I think you just mix it up with sheik's frame data (who Ranno is clearly based on)
Mang0 will you help us petition to get black panther zetterburn to have purple fire like the actual Black Panther? Can’t believe they gave it normal red instead of wakanda purple
@@IntermissionVA nah I need every setup with that purple so I see it in bracket and on streams. Dan even liked one of my tweets asking for it, so I hope he sees the vision too
I really want princess mononoke forsburn, I mean if they can have the blue jay skin for wrastor that looks like mordecai then they can do Princess mononoke.
@@thecelticmessiah It's just the same type of bird, he also has a parrot skin - does that mean cereal mascots are a go? Is a Count Chocula Forsburn skin on the table? lol
@@wudduplele Not even silver little guy. Second, you have players such as Mango, Cody, Leffen, etc. all talking about how oppressive he is. He's currently mained by half of the top 15 players and using Coinbox as an example, he saw 1 in 5 usage in the later stages of the bracket. He's just not designed well, simple as that.
@@revelation2-9 "not even silver" and proceed to call me little guy. lol. Funny that most people you mention come from a different game. You don't see a lot of RoA 1 top player complaining about Kragg or having too much trouble with the matchup. Call me crazy but that sounds like they know the matchup better. I have over 5k hours in RoA 1, i'm about to hit plat with Wrastor. I don't struggle against Kragg, simple as that.
@@wudduplele Plays Wrastor and says he doesn't struggle against Kragg 💀 If you call someone silver, expect to have shade thrown back. I have thousands of hours across several platform fighters and have squared off against PR players. I don't care about your opinion quite honestly. Have a good one.
@@revelation2-9 Now Wrastor is the problem ? Lmao. I highly doubt anything you say at this point and quite frankly I don;t care about your opinion either. Go back struggling online.
Common malding Zetterburn vs chill ranno enjoyers. We rannos stay winning. Seriously, every other Zetterburn is just an angry Netplay Falco lol. On the real though jokes aside, The fact different people all hate different characters means this game is pretty well balanced so far LOL. Go to every other top players stream and everyone has a different opp, well played ROA balance team.
Ive been paying attention to how much people are annoyed at the matchups-which to me seems high. I don’t know how it follows that it being annoying means it’s balanced
everyone's annoyed because the playerbase overwhelmingly tries to play as uninteractive as possible, I've played so many plat fighters including rivals 1 and it has never been this bad in any game
reason zetter’s hate ranno is they like to run in over and over without thought and spam buttons, ranno just so happens to be good at stuffing approaches
Yeah when I play maypul and get you in one sequence constantly reapplying the buff into a 50/50 I feel dirty AF but man it is satisfying. Also her dash attack not being CCable is a warcrime
He hates so hard on ranno but doesnt elaborate lol. Ranno has the slowest sideways air movement by a lot which makes u need sick platform movement to make shit work, top rannos like luck, codek, squanto are all sick as fuck since u need to be to make the character good Cant do lazy sh aerials in neutral like the rest of the cast, every ground move is hella cc-able, has practically no diskointed hitboxes, expressive combo game with pretty much everything being a di mixup. Mang0 complains about dthrow usmash on di in which zetter also has lol. Projectile that is only really good for approaching, terrible to camp with Idk why hes saying ranno is gimmicky when the only thing he has is bubble in a game full of gimmicks, all his other moves and traits are hella standard. Zetter has dumb shit too like his fair comboing into itself at any % while also being a kill move (7:12 lol)
The more I see rivals the more it just looks like rip of smash character move sets with a diff skin and some unique mechanics. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t design unique characters instead of having every Marth tilt and smash and arieal
There's only so many combinations of moves you can give a character in a 2D plane. They embody archtypes found in smash but the characters themselves are fairly unique all things considered. If they feel like hybrids of what's established before, that means its good. Turns out Melee is a well designed competitive game so if you try to make a good competitive platform fighter it'll probably turn out like Melee by necessity! :O
Just know that currently Rivals has a small cast and the characters that got chosen were in part chosen because they are the more accessible and basic characters. If you want to see how insanely unique and diverse the rivals1 cast was I recommend watching an older vid called “Part 3: character overviews - Rivals of aether” by a creator called Farbanti. There are characters in the 1st game that I literally do not feel mentally equipped to play because they are so unique that it feels more like learning another language lmao it’s also just a really entertaining and well done video, I have watched it every couple months for like 2 years lol
ridiculous bait, who has marth nair? forsburn? is marth down air a mirror of his up air like the ROA swordie clairen? smash attacks with a sword can only work one way...... or did you just see tippers, shine and a single constant hitbox nair on ranno and say something retarded?
@@chocomilkfps1264 Just want until they add back Eliana, Hodan, and Olympia and this dude's brain will explode. Honorable mention to Sylvanos too, who has some clear inspiration from Ivysaur but is magnitudes more complex with all of his different mechanics. Shit, we already have a confirmed newcomer La Reina who will be a 100x better plat-fighter grappler than Incineroar if she plays anything like her Rivals 1 workshop version
Zetter is only degenerate cuz of shine. Rannos whole kit is just fuck you to whoever isn't Ranno. People out here complaining about clairen but I'm a Ranno hater. Roll my eyes every time I see it
Is it just me or do the voices sound really bad? Like meybe they would be fine if they had some editing, but they just sound people in a booth making sounds, not like characters.
it's nothing to write home about, but you could do a lot worse for voice clips you hear over and over again in gameplay. Dan and his small indie team probably thought "fuck, we can't do this too, we're gonna have to cut some corners to make it by release day" when they saw NASB1 launched without any fucking voice acting whatsoever
On the subject of "Shitting" on the game. I would really love some more characters. This is such a small roster. I get it, not a very high budget game. But we need that.
@@Highstar7331 Meh, They could do more. And we have to wait 1 year for more characters? Going to lose the player base. I think only the melee community will keep playing it for that long.
I would love to see the mang0 maypul. Zetterburn is a spacie in the most literal way because he has their moves, but maypul has the spirit of a spacie. She's an awesome character. I bet he'd have a lot of fun with it That said come on Dan, can you please fix her low profile 🥹 I'm sick of whiffing on this little shitweasel
I really like that years of playing and watching melee translates to understanding Rivals as a spectator. There are little things I don't understand but comboing and neutral, for the most part, all make sense
That win over Gligar is no joke, I want to see Mango take down a Rivals II major
"You're all blinded by AMSa's smile" LMFAOOOO Agreed bro lmfaooo
Loving the Rivals content Mango! Keep it up!
Ranno has a 3 frame nair that combos into almost anything and a 4 fram back air that covers an entire platform 5:00. That guy failed to mention that when talking about Ranno’s “problems” in the air lol
I think they were talking about ranno's air movement being really slow. He has great buttons in the air tho (I don't see people talking about it but ranno f-air is really good)
Frame 4 Nair and Frame 5 Bair, but your point still stands about how good the frame data is. I think you just mix it up with sheik's frame data (who Ranno is clearly based on)
@@TylerjX5 He's Sheik Diddy
needle boosting makes up for his air latitude issues
3:35 Gradius 3 volcano stage
4:15 Gradius 3 Desert Stage
Mang0 will you help us petition to get black panther zetterburn to have purple fire like the actual Black Panther? Can’t believe they gave it normal red instead of wakanda purple
Bump
You could potentially just do it yourself, there are mod tools available that allow you to edit the colors a bit. Google is your friend
@@IntermissionVA nah I need every setup with that purple so I see it in bracket and on streams. Dan even liked one of my tweets asking for it, so I hope he sees the vision too
I really want princess mononoke forsburn, I mean if they can have the blue jay skin for wrastor that looks like mordecai then they can do Princess mononoke.
@@thecelticmessiah It's just the same type of bird, he also has a parrot skin - does that mean cereal mascots are a go? Is a Count Chocula Forsburn skin on the table? lol
the diddy kong racing music was doing things to my brain. i started thinking about the game and like 2 mins after i noticed the music
The diddy kong racing soundtrack is sick
help for the nostalgia please, what is the song at 6:47? Thanks!
Hearing the D.K.R. OST has made me whole again. Thank you for being a true man of culture.
All the comments about DKR music being goated makes me want a Mango DKR playthrough
Ramno appears at 10:20 for those who are curious
u got me🥶
Thank god i was worried for a second
2:42 Honestly just Kragg and Maypul are toxic. Also, the Diddy Kong Racing music was such a nostalgic throwback holy hell.
why do silvers complain that much about kragg lmao
@@wudduplele Not even silver little guy. Second, you have players such as Mango, Cody, Leffen, etc. all talking about how oppressive he is. He's currently mained by half of the top 15 players and using Coinbox as an example, he saw 1 in 5 usage in the later stages of the bracket. He's just not designed well, simple as that.
@@revelation2-9 "not even silver" and proceed to call me little guy. lol. Funny that most people you mention come from a different game. You don't see a lot of RoA 1 top player complaining about Kragg or having too much trouble with the matchup. Call me crazy but that sounds like they know the matchup better. I have over 5k hours in RoA 1, i'm about to hit plat with Wrastor. I don't struggle against Kragg, simple as that.
@@wudduplele Plays Wrastor and says he doesn't struggle against Kragg 💀
If you call someone silver, expect to have shade thrown back. I have thousands of hours across several platform fighters and have squared off against PR players. I don't care about your opinion quite honestly. Have a good one.
@@revelation2-9 Now Wrastor is the problem ? Lmao. I highly doubt anything you say at this point and quite frankly I don;t care about your opinion either. Go back struggling online.
If mango HAS to drink to be mango with a wife, kid, dream job and enough money then I'll be drinking tonight till I'm not waking up anymore
hearing a few gladiator III and battletoads battlemaniac songs, thumbs up
Common malding Zetterburn vs chill ranno enjoyers. We rannos stay winning. Seriously, every other Zetterburn is just an angry Netplay Falco lol.
On the real though jokes aside, The fact different people all hate different characters means this game is pretty well balanced so far LOL. Go to every other top players stream and everyone has a different opp, well played ROA balance team.
I mean bro was rank 15 in the world yesterday i think he might have a better idea on how the game works than you lol
@@TheMattdunkumand what does that have to do with anything I said lol
@@KingR098 this is a fair point, the comment section only showed the top bit which i replied to initially, truly my b
Ive been paying attention to how much people are annoyed at the matchups-which to me seems high. I don’t know how it follows that it being annoying means it’s balanced
everyone's annoyed because the playerbase overwhelmingly tries to play as uninteractive as possible, I've played so many plat fighters including rivals 1 and it has never been this bad in any game
I legit couldn’t tell if that was Mang0 or Richard Hammond in the thumbnail
the thumbnail made me think there was a new sanguisugabogg song but this is even better
Damn, big mang lookin' good
3:10 low profile characters are a pain as claren, back air and fair are specially dificult to land
reason zetter’s hate ranno is they like to run in over and over without thought and spam buttons, ranno just so happens to be good at stuffing approaches
4:25 idk about that other shit but ranno does have slow air speed
Ive been gone for a while, why doesnt mang0 play Wrastor? I thought he mained him in Roa1
he fell in love with zetter at first sight
wrastor plays a lot different
he said that wrastor feels really clunky in this game compared to R1 which is super true he felt so buttery in 1
kragg killed mango's wrastor
"Everything ranno has just works"
...and zetter doesnt? Lol. Maypul hate is so fair though
Yeah when I play maypul and get you in one sequence constantly reapplying the buff into a 50/50 I feel dirty AF but man it is satisfying. Also her dash attack not being CCable is a warcrime
people don't be talking about kragg like he ain't broken af
Mango should try holding down against Rannos jab, you can CC it at like 150%😢
He hates so hard on ranno but doesnt elaborate lol. Ranno has the slowest sideways air movement by a lot which makes u need sick platform movement to make shit work, top rannos like luck, codek, squanto are all sick as fuck since u need to be to make the character good
Cant do lazy sh aerials in neutral like the rest of the cast, every ground move is hella cc-able, has practically no diskointed hitboxes, expressive combo game with pretty much everything being a di mixup. Mang0 complains about dthrow usmash on di in which zetter also has lol. Projectile that is only really good for approaching, terrible to camp with
Idk why hes saying ranno is gimmicky when the only thing he has is bubble in a game full of gimmicks, all his other moves and traits are hella standard. Zetter has dumb shit too like his fair comboing into itself at any % while also being a kill move (7:12 lol)
Can you guys sound off what ratings you are to make these sort of comments? Everyone 1400 +?
Maypul and orcane low profiling is the least fun part of the game to me. Otherwise i like playing lox a lot
The more I see rivals the more it just looks like rip of smash character move sets with a diff skin and some unique mechanics.
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t design unique characters instead of having every Marth tilt and smash and arieal
There's only so many combinations of moves you can give a character in a 2D plane. They embody archtypes found in smash but the characters themselves are fairly unique all things considered. If they feel like hybrids of what's established before, that means its good. Turns out Melee is a well designed competitive game so if you try to make a good competitive platform fighter it'll probably turn out like Melee by necessity! :O
Just know that currently Rivals has a small cast and the characters that got chosen were in part chosen because they are the more accessible and basic characters.
If you want to see how insanely unique and diverse the rivals1 cast was I recommend watching an older vid called “Part 3: character overviews - Rivals of aether” by a creator called Farbanti. There are characters in the 1st game that I literally do not feel mentally equipped to play because they are so unique that it feels more like learning another language lmao it’s also just a really entertaining and well done video, I have watched it every couple months for like 2 years lol
ridiculous bait, who has marth nair? forsburn? is marth down air a mirror of his up air like the ROA swordie clairen? smash attacks with a sword can only work one way...... or did you just see tippers, shine and a single constant hitbox nair on ranno and say something retarded?
@@chocomilkfps1264 Just want until they add back Eliana, Hodan, and Olympia and this dude's brain will explode. Honorable mention to Sylvanos too, who has some clear inspiration from Ivysaur but is magnitudes more complex with all of his different mechanics. Shit, we already have a confirmed newcomer La Reina who will be a 100x better plat-fighter grappler than Incineroar if she plays anything like her Rivals 1 workshop version
Riviels is litt ngl dope asf can’t wait to play myself looks chill
bro orcane is the most dhalsim dont interact bullshit in the game plz flame him so they nerf it
Fleet is a don’t interact character
You misspelled Fleet. Orcanes *have* to go in once you learn their bubble gimmicks.
Who doesn't Orcane interact? The only projectile they have (other than bubbles) is to place their UpB. Bubbles provide pressure and is big for combos.
@@joemanginaa yeah but she's bad at it so i can forgive her
@@drstclair puddles do more than set up for upb, they're a big reason why he's non interactive
ranno is the goat and one of the few honest characters
frog gang til i die 🐸
what is honest about a shiek like character? Stop it
, get some help
@@LockeeJ everything. the frog is pure 🐸 the frog can do no wrong
Whining about ranno when playing zett is peak irony to me as a ROA1&2 player.
Zetter is only degenerate cuz of shine. Rannos whole kit is just fuck you to whoever isn't Ranno. People out here complaining about clairen but I'm a Ranno hater. Roll my eyes every time I see it
I am waiting for the whining about absa for real. The tears will be succulent
Is it just me or do the voices sound really bad? Like meybe they would be fine if they had some editing, but they just sound people in a booth making sounds, not like characters.
its just you
They could be better but they aren't horrible either.
Personally I perfer no voices, but that may just be me! :P
it's not just you. turned the voice volume to zero day 1 because I couldn't stand the VO.
it's nothing to write home about, but you could do a lot worse for voice clips you hear over and over again in gameplay. Dan and his small indie team probably thought "fuck, we can't do this too, we're gonna have to cut some corners to make it by release day" when they saw NASB1 launched without any fucking voice acting whatsoever
On the subject of "Shitting" on the game. I would really love some more characters. This is such a small roster. I get it, not a very high budget game. But we need that.
they're planning on adding 4 characters a year, that should be plenty
Very content as is, but as long as the new character isn't Absa I'm chilling
@@Highstar7331 Meh, They could do more. And we have to wait 1 year for more characters? Going to lose the player base. I think only the melee community will keep playing it for that long.
@@joeyogurt7356 4 characters a year means 1 new character every 3 months or so
@@joeyogurt7356 just because one character won't come this december doesn't mean we won't get one in the first three months of 2025
First
why does he keep saying the same phrases over and over again?
Zamboni?
That's the Mango
Zamboni??
Zamboni is his name for his Zetterburn’s downsmash
That's the mang0
No melee? Ergh...will likely unsub if this continues. Mango is a fun guy but him playing random games for weeks on end is not that engaging.
The name is so funny on this comment
I would love to see the mang0 maypul. Zetterburn is a spacie in the most literal way because he has their moves, but maypul has the spirit of a spacie. She's an awesome character. I bet he'd have a lot of fun with it
That said come on Dan, can you please fix her low profile 🥹 I'm sick of whiffing on this little shitweasel
I'd like to see Mango playing other characters. His Marth was hype.