Conlang Critic Critic Episode One: jan Misali
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- I wanted to make a simple April Fool's video reviewing every episode of Conlang Critic by jan Misali, but it turned into an hour and a half long nightmare. Enjoy.
Daniel Swanson's channel: / @dangswan
kay(f)bop(t) for Travelers: • kay(f)bop(t) For Trave...
Lichen the Fictioneer's channel: / @lichenthefictioneer
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Viossa Discord: / discord
jan Misali's channel: / @hbmmaster
My utmost thanks to Daniel Swanson, Jack Eisenmann (aka Esperantanaso or Ostracod), Dr Olivier Simon, and Nikomiko for their appearances in this video!
Intro 0:00
Lojban 1:18
aUI 4:01
Vötgil 5:21
Láadan 7:57
Ygyde 9:44
Ithkuil 11:35
Wolflandic 13:29
kay(f)bop(t) 14:52
Klingon 18:15
Na’vi 20:23
Fluidlang 22:00
Toki Pona 24:02
Esperanto 28:06
Ido 30:54
Volapük 32:22
Dovahzul 34:01
Interlingua 35:21
Solresol 36:50
Loglan 38:20
Zese 40:23
Futurese 42:55
Lingua Franca Nova 43:58
Interslavic 45:10
Folkspraak 47:07
Dothraki 49:04
Novial 50:33
IS 53:41
Drsk 55:10
Sambahsa 56:52
Sindarin 1:01:15
Poliespo 1:06:16
Kēlen 1:07:42
Lingwa de Planeta 1:10:06
Viossa 1:14:00
Iqlic 1:23:38
Quenya 1:25:55
High Valyrian 1:27:22
Outro 1:28:28
conlang critic critic critic when
welcome to conlang critic critic critic, the critic that gets critics wrong about your critic critic.
Oh my golly! It’s Misali!
Stolen comment
There are thousands of people who would sit through 3 hours of that
So, uhh...what happened with the Blissymbolics episode?
Now we need Jan misali to make conlang critic critic critic
Yes
the capitalization in "Jan misali" is destroying me
16:43 If someone makes a jan Misali iceberg "jan Misali gaslit the creator of kay(f)bop(t)" needs to be an entry
yes
and an even deeper entry about what ipa chars those chinese characters might be
the intro should have been "... the show that gets facts wrong about your favorite show that gets facts wrong about your favorite conlang"
ah, one of the criticisms that will appear in conlang critic critic critic.
the show that gets facts wrong about your favourite show that gets facts wrong about your favourite show that gets facts wrong about your favourite conlang.
The part about how jan Misali accidentally gaslit the creator of kay(f)bop(t) for almost half a decade because his computer couldn't render IPA symbols is actually hilarious
timestamp: 16:43
I literally started jumping up and down with excitement when you said “Im a bit excites, because this episode is a first in a few ways”
Conlang Critic Critic Episode Two: B. Gilson
Does anyone actually know who B. Gilson is?
Conlang Critic Critic Episode Three: Otto Jespersen
@@SlaVinkMichels some guy with an esperanto podcast or something
good april fools joke, you're only 353 days early.
…or 11 days late.
@@thatoddshadeor 377 days late
_mod 365:_
> They are literally the same picture
The artifexian section with the music was soul-healing
and then the nativlang section with the silence dragged out was soul-stealing
now I want to rewatch the conlang critic playlist for the second time
I am watching this and with all that comment from LingoLizard it feels like I am with a friend-conlanger watching jan Misali and not alone in the room in my own interests for however long
“overall i like this one more than the yaoi episode” is all i can hear when you talk about aUI
oh my god i'm so glad i'm not the only one
I love yaoi!!!!!!!
@@atlas16198 i’m def a yuri fan but good for you!
Help
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The unexpected crossover. Especially a series revival. Nice
Me after 30 minutes of watching this, in my best Lethal Weapon impression:
"I'm getting too neurotypical for this shit"
Sidenote: When I started watching Conlang Critic, the latest episode out was the Kay(f)bop(t) one. That was my introduction to cursed conlangs, and I soon made Kay(h)use(g) as my first proper conlang.
Much later on, when LingoLizard submitted their CCC2 lang Touching Grass, I soon submitted my own CCC2 lang RøTa as a first stab into competitive cursedlangery.
When the CCC3 eventually starts, of course my lang for then will have to be more ambitious.
Sidenote 2: I’m also someone with the NCVS, but unlike Misali:
1. My STRUT vowel is [ʌ] unironically
2. I have the cot-caught merger
3. Schwa is merged with KIT instead of STRUT [ɘ~ə]
So enjoyed being interviewed for this!!! Thanks so much for the amazing job you've done to make this haha
Ygyde islamophobia? What lore did I miss, someone fill me in
the official word for Islam is 'dangerous religious organization'. in fact, the ygyde dictionary is full of racism
The word for islam is something like "dangerous organization" or something. I can't find its dictionary anymore
Also indigenous American is called reddish person and gossip is feminine communications.
@@CobaltHammer-yb3hu "feminine communications" is crazy
@@tristensanz7058descriptive names are great 👍🏻
(26:10) Note the usage of "kili" (fruit) for multiple fruits and "pipi mute" (bug many) for multiple bugs. He only puts the plural on the second because English doesn't normally say "fruits" and only "fruit" but would say "bugs". But there's plenty of languages that commonly use fruit in plural, like Swedish.
English says "fruits" though???
@@yeetrepublic9142 Fruit plural when talking about some actual fruit, like "I have some fruit" for a plate with fruit on it. If you are talking about TYPES of fruit, use use "fruits", such as "There are many fruits that grow on trees".
@@yeetrepublic9142 yes, but I'm taking about specifically the sentence made by jan Misali where he chose to use "fruit" as the plural, which was the main focus on my comment.
almost like its basically impossible for your native language to slightly make itself obvious in some way if you speak an ial
I would guess that most language that perffer to inflect for plurality when the item is plural would do the same with "fruit". English just doesnt for some reason i guess
I can’t believe you’re ending the series so soon, I was hyped for the potential episodes on Otto Jespersen and B. Gilson
I cannot wait for Lizard to release conlang critic critic critic critic to solidify the conlang critic inception
I literally had displayed in text in the first 6 SECONDS of the video to shorten my username to Lingo and not any other way (ie. not Lizard)
The amount of mic changes in jan Misali's series is insane lmao
33:18 WOW, the detail of removing the pauses between words when talking about a lack of pauses between words. A lovely detail!
Found this literally the day after I finished every Conlang Critic video
This only matters or is notable as a coincidence because this video was posted on the same day I finished watching Conlang Critic
13:44 it's more complicated than that. "inuit" refers to a specific family of tribes, and is not the correct word for some peoples covered by the slur. here at least the term "Alaska Native" is preferred
I disagree with the premise that "any conlang can be considered good if it follows its own goals". I think if a goal is not worth pursuing (e.g. an English-based IAL), then it's not a good language, even if it succeeds at that goal. (apologies if you mention this later in the video)
Yeah I think if you expand it to "If a language's goals are well thought through and sensible and the language follows those goals well, it's a good language" which still includes languages intended to be comedic (their goals are to be funny, the comedy is well thought through, they succeed at being comedic and funny in their particular way)
(25:30) I also wake to criticise the use of ぴ over ひ for "pi" (and all other p- in there) for hiragana. I understand that ゜is used here to change what's in rōmaji is H to P, but tokipona doesn't use H, so you can just skip the ゜. You can just say that ひ is pronounced /pi/ in tokipona.
i write toki pona in kana quite a lot, and i'll say many people including me use ひ (and other h-row kana as /p/)
@@ookap-orsc That's neat to hear that you're using hiragana, because it fits so well with toki pona. It's also neat to hear that people are using what's considered H in Japanese as P in toki pona, because that shows adaptation. That's pretty cool
I love this episode. There were a few moments where I definitely wanted to shout "Shots fired!" but you guys probably know which moments those are so I won't specify them now. Also, biggest what the h3ck moment: ranking of the Iqlic episode. Did I miss something there? But yeah, awesome video, man.
44:37 nitpick but it should be compatible with those languages since the Elefen documentation says that h can be left silent if the speaker prefers (e.g. ba-amas instead of bahamas) while only being present in very few words, which is probably why jan misali didn't mention it, but i don't blame you for missing it for that reason lol
anyway loved the video!! as someone who's also binged conlang critic, this felt like a nice sort of closure to a lot of the episodes that the original series kind of lacked, especially with the interviews. huge props to you for making it happen.
53:20 Globasa allusion!
1:13:41 second allusion let's goooo!!!
Things I say with humorous intent but at least partially actually mean aside, this is a fantastic breakdown/highlight compilation/opinion piece with fact-checked addenda with basically nothing for me to complain about, especially seeing as this is the most new CC content I've seen since the infini-hiatus (which as cope I still tell myself will end once as many months have passed as there have been people who asked when the next episode will come out, as jan Misali had said on social media some years ago), making this easily the best critique critique I've ever watched so far.
(If you ever find the time, though, I'd be very curious to hear what kinds of problems you have with Globasa)
3:30 shouldve said "you silly billy"
I think this is one of my new favourite UA-cam videos
You should make a video on B. Gilson
while i think the critique regarding anusvara is valid, i do agree with jan Misali in using in the hangulization. the and vowels are just combinations of and with . it also keeps better symmetry.
15:24 prolangs jumpscare
BUT WHEN BILLY RAY WALDON-
Happy New Year!
Also feels like Alexander Pope and Thomas Hearne rivalry😂.
One moment of the Vötgil episode that I love and that not many people seems to talk about is when jan Misali demonstrates their proposed simplified phoneme inventory.
Eet wuud saoond samseen laeek zees. Eevan zaoo eet maeet saoond shwans, eet eez steel almaoos kampleelee andastandabal too naeeteev eengleesh speekaz!
Also one nitpick you missed is that Zamenhof's native language would've probably been either Russian or Yiddish, not Polish, which he learned later.
More than the endless void of nothingness, which has a distinct colour of slate-blue.
30:04 kinda. Polish does kinda have /h/ as an allophone of /x/. I speak Polish natively. Also the orthography still has a /h/ and /x/ distinction even if in pronunciation they're allophones. /h/ - h; /x/ - ch
Would most polish speakers be able to differentiate them though?
@@enkor9591
Without learning it no
Thank you for making this this is really good
11:00 "Novicki is a very polish surname which explains the islamophobia" well he's not wrong
Nowicki
Thank you for putting so much effort into this! My favourite parts were the interviews/statements from the conlangers. I also just really appreciated an outside opinion and overview on the conlang critic series in general
Love this. Watched all of it. Thank you!
As a fellow long-time fan of Conlang Critic, I have my own opinions of the episodes. Poliespo is my #1, it is absolutely hilarious how Misali just craps all over it, and for good reason. I agree Sambahsa is great as well, but the verbs part with the screwed-up audio was extremely annoying. I get it, it was on purpose, but still annoying. Viossa definitely needs to be higher, that stuff is awesome.
High Valyrian absolutely needs to be dead last. It was really painful to watch and I haven't watched it a second time.
Incredible
As I continue to watch Conlang Critic Critic, I'd like to congratulate you on doing so well in the latest EWOW episode! Good job, Stealthy!
things heating up in the inception community
great video! although just so you know the links to the channels in the description seem to be broken
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought this way about that series
25:27 te reo māori also has phonemic vowel length distinction, so surely you’d need to double this for those..?
Some analyses of Māori treat long vowels as two syllables (e.g. wāhine as wa/a/hi/ne, kūmara as ku/u/ma/ra), though this is usually not argued for ā, as it appears diphthongs (like in kāuri) and is far more common than any of the other long vowels. Accounting for long ā as a separate phoneme but not other long vowels and counting diphthongs as multiple syllables would put Māori at 66 distinct syllables (or 62, if you exclude wu, wo, whu, and who, which all only occur in loanwords).
16:50 Thanks for this. I loved learning this.
pi generally shouldn't be used unless it contains two content words. moku ko pi pona is just moku ko pona with an extra syllable that may hinder auditory parsing
Družina Mjau Mjau!
WOOHOO !!
*considers making a video called conlang critic critic critic*
the translation "moku ko pi pona" at 27:16 is ungrammatical, it should be "moku ko pona"
UA-cam gives me the option to translate this to English, and the only change is "moku ko pona" becomes "moku ko pi pona"
Same lol@@emilyvalentine4565
lol youtube doesn't know how to handle toki pona at all
39:08 the nerd picture is so accurate!
im a bit excited
such an iconic
ive never watched a conland critic before, but since you put them in first place I'll have to give it a watch
this is my new favourite video
27:18
You can't use "pi" before just one modifier, we need Conlang Critic Critic Critic
47:40 I also feel extremely uncomfortable with that campfire sound effect, I absolutely hate that.
Love this.
6:16 nahuatl mentioned 10/10 video
overall, this episode isn't good. it spends its time making petty nitpicks, and criticising things that based on conlang critics goals (getting facts wrong) don't need criticism.
conlang critic critic critic
Amazing video! I know I sure wouldn't want to make such an incredibly long video, but making it good as well!? Well, I did spot one mistake, but still. Only one!
1:25:51 So, you say that (in terms of the episodes) toki pona (15) > Iqglic > Futurese (17), yet you place it between the IS Language (13) and Folkspraak (14). Not to mention the fact that Drsk is already between toki pona and Futurese.
My guess is that you accidentally read the part for ranking Drsk when recording this part.
Oh well, it's just an April Fools video, and a mistake is bound to happen in a 1:30:00 long video.
What do you mean it's one second shorter?
you should make episode 2 on anthony mccarthy
29:42 as a Punjabi, thank you
Bro missed the oppotlrtunity to be StealthySquamate :(
woah woah hold on, most of your criticism is valid, but saying the kay(f)bop(t)ep is not as good as the Vötgil is straight up the wrong opinion. the kay(f)bop(t) ep was the best
1:25:46 you said iqlic is better than futurese, but worse than toki pona, and proceeds to put it between is and folkspraak
Would it be weird to compare your voice to that of Icely Puzzles?
(Or at least, when both are sped up. I usually don’t watch long videos at 1x, and maybe I wouldn’t make the comparison if watching at 1x speed)
(Just to be clear: this is not meant as a criticism at all. I was just reminded. And maybe the comparison doesn’t make sense and I’m just being dumb.)
for me personally, two best episodes of conlang critic are sambahsa, because of the hilarious grammar section and the rjienrlwey challenge😂 and viossa, because jan misali brought the actual members of language community and it was so unusual
I cannot believe that I actually watched a hour and a half long video reviewing a series which I've only seen two/three episodes of...
That's Lizard for ya!
P.S. I hope no one got a stroke reading my comment 😅
It's so cute seeing you squee at Jan growing up and becoming less nitpicky. Shame the series ended.
Omg why this video is so underrated?
love to see one of the best linguistics youtubers around recognizing that toki pona exists!!
I on esperanto part.
And about /tʃ/ and /dʒ/ in portuguese, both do exist but /tʃ/ its more commun for exemple the world tchau (bye) or atchim normaly is represented as [tch], and /dʒ/ /tʃ/ also apper on un-stressed sylabbles as allophones of /d/ and /t/, so most of the ppl say /tʃi.ɡɾe/ or /dʒia/
some of these criticisms feel like cinemasins trying to meet the "100 things wrong with blank" quota
35:55 probably to show genitive is the odd one (but he didn't put it after reflexive because it still has "tu" in common with nominative.)
Some day I'll finally learn Lojban.
can you please make a playlist?
56:26 a tiny mistake on Thai vowel combination /ɯː/: it should be กือ as a special case for the rhyme /ɯː/ with no coda.
Welcome to conlang critic critic critic where I crtique the lack of colour coding (or similat) of the episode chart by season.
YOOOOO prolangs reference
ermmm.... yeast???? [jist]
29:24 Punjabi does have [ʒ] which is written ژ in Shahmukhi and ਜ਼ in Gurmukhi. There isn't a difference between the [z] and [ʒ] consonant in Gurmukhi script, but it can be pronounced. Most dialects in India which use Gurmukhi script simplify it and reduce [dʒ], [z], and [ʒ] to just one sound, [dʒ], which is also common in some dialects of Hindi and other South Asian languages as Hindutva ideology ties [z] and [ʒ] to Islam and tries to distance itself from those sounds.
so hyped to watch this whole thing, based lingolizard!
I think I manifested this by listening to Jule's covers of Tokipono or whatever it is over and over today
7:13 I believe even PIE didn't have them
13:38
he sounds like milton from milton's math games what the fungle
This video should have forty-two chapters, not thirty-seven.
3:37 ironic
"that is the whole point of the darn conlang you goofball"
i need to use the word "goofball" more
omg hi fellow alliterative adjective pokemon
53:20 Can someone list the languages which these flags correspond to, please?
26:29 allow me to be pedantic and say that jan Sonja's new toki pona rendition of the wizard of oz includes 2 new words: su (interacting with the book), majuna (ancient, old). so it should be 139. ish.
27:17 redundant pi? disgraceful
1:25:46 what
37:58 is that the Solresol word for "banger"?
9:49
Wait what!? Where did that come from?
13:29
Anyone know what happened to Ian Foster?
14:28
Omg
30:23
Yoooooo
the official word for Islam in ygyde literally means 'dangerous religion'