Let Down: No Longer The Sleeper Of The Year… Stoeger STR9-MC

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024

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  • @spnfirearms
    @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

    Code: SPN for 10% off Blacksmith Tactical Holsters. My go to is the v2 holster with double discrete carry clips and a wedge. And if you have under a 3.7” barrel, get a wedge!! Respect

  • @bbazzracing
    @bbazzracing 3 місяці тому +3

    Thanks for the honesty 🫡

  • @asdf89sdf
    @asdf89sdf 3 місяці тому +24

    Sounds like an ammo problem, especially if the gold dots ran flawlessly on a mag dump. Sometimes you get a bad batch of ammo.

    • @mattleinberger7220
      @mattleinberger7220 3 місяці тому +3

      Ya, that’s my first thought watching this video…. Bad batch of ammo

    • @davidherbst
      @davidherbst 2 місяці тому +2

      The fact that it had several different types of failures, and only with that ammo screams bad batch to me. I’m no expert, but in my experience, a gun that has a problem is likely to have the same type of failure every time. Bad ammo can throw things into this kind of chaos. But, again, I’m just some guy, and SPN has expended a lot more ammo than I have.

  • @Tsunami_Hawk
    @Tsunami_Hawk 3 місяці тому +9

    My sights are off I thought it was just me. I had one light primer strike so far.

  • @propblast82nd
    @propblast82nd 3 місяці тому +1

    Excellent video on this firearm, thanks 👍

  • @compasslife6658
    @compasslife6658 2 місяці тому +2

    I'd be interested to hear about your Stoeger customer service experience.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  2 місяці тому +5

      I have the video coming soon. It was the best customer service I have ever dealt with!!

    • @compasslife6658
      @compasslife6658 2 місяці тому +1

      @@spnfirearms Encouraging! Thanks for the heads up. I'll be watching 👍

  • @matthewmcpherson581
    @matthewmcpherson581 3 місяці тому +2

    SPN, what ammo do you like for the Ruger LCP? Thinking of picking up the original LCP, but open to the Max as well and was wondering your thoughts

    • @goofysandal9552
      @goofysandal9552 3 місяці тому +1

      I’ve definitely seen him make videos talking about this. I believe he uses underwood xtreme defender because with such a short barrel, hollow points won’t open correctly. And 380 doesn’t really have an over penetration problem

    • @monke6776
      @monke6776 3 місяці тому +1

      I would consider FMJ. Consider the cycling of round nose versus hollow point.
      You can also find hollows with plastic inserts so they cycle better

    • @michaelsweaney3890
      @michaelsweaney3890 3 місяці тому +1

      Get the LCP Max. Much greater capacity. Better ergonomics, MUCH better trigger, less recoil.

  • @dennisniewiadomski3626
    @dennisniewiadomski3626 3 місяці тому +2

    Mayhe a bad batch of Magtechs?

  • @adampawlicki6993
    @adampawlicki6993 3 місяці тому +2

    Have you had experience with any defensive ammo that has ran flawlessly through EVERY hand gun you throw it into????
    Oh....and "It is what it is"😂
    Sorry man...I love it!

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +2

      Haha and yes gold dots in 9mm 124 grain and civil liberty 9mm have never failed me. Most defensive ammos don’t have issues

    • @adampawlicki6993
      @adampawlicki6993 3 місяці тому +1

      @spnfirearms thanks man🤙 I haven't actually heard of the civil liberty ammo...
      ...Oh, I have always wanted to ask...wha does "SPN" stand for, or mean??

  • @jimbo3214
    @jimbo3214 3 місяці тому +2

    Are the issues your are having with the handgun after it was cleaned or 500 rounds dirty?

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +3

      Yes. I can’t get it to run a single magazine now. I think the guide rod is having issues. Will keep you guys updated! My buddies runs flawlessly… he has like 2.1k rounds or something through this. Not sure what happened to mine, it was running flawlessly

    • @answersforlooking9430
      @answersforlooking9430 3 місяці тому

      thats horrible..... mine runs great but not much bullets through it as of now

  • @jackbauer9077
    @jackbauer9077 3 місяці тому +1

    Always best to spend a bit more get a Glock or S&W better gun, sights holsters and accessories more available and spare parts and magazines, over time better value spending a bit more.

  • @Strange84
    @Strange84 2 місяці тому

    Click bait video. Mag tech isn't the best.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  2 місяці тому

      SMH. You don’t know what you are talking about.

  • @NextGenGunner1
    @NextGenGunner1 3 місяці тому +9

    Definitely could be a ammo problem. I’m sure lots of people have something to say about the gun being dirty but personally I want my carry guns to be able to run dirty

  • @matthewbaker5359
    @matthewbaker5359 3 місяці тому +13

    If it ran with one type of ammo but not another, it's probably an ammo problem.

  • @answersforlooking9430
    @answersforlooking9430 3 місяці тому +22

    i bought this gun basically after watching your unboxing video on this..... as of now mine runs good..... knock on wood..... either way thank you for being up front and honest about your experience w the gun..... as always thanks for what you do for us spn

    • @goofysandal9552
      @goofysandal9552 3 місяці тому +5

      Fr he stepped up and corrected the record. So many people on yt would just keep pushing it. Respect spn

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +11

      No problem man! That’s the point of this channel! I think the guide rod may have broke. It could be from over loaded rounds as I have ran it through its paces with some crazy ammo… but my buddy has one with 2.1k rounds and not a single hiccup. I’ll keep you guys updated! Lemons happen, let’s see how they fix the problem! Respect

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +5

      That’s what the channel is for! That’s why I don’t accept money from firearm companies. I need to be completely real and up front with people. I think I got a lemon. I’m pretty sure it’s my guide rod. Like I said tho, my buddy has one that has ran 2.1k rounds in 5 months, not a single issue. We will see how they fix it and I’m sure it’ll run after! Respect

  • @THORR-mh9px
    @THORR-mh9px 3 місяці тому +3

    Mine has been flawless/ 2000 rounds.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому

      Exactly my point. There are tons of reliable stoegers out there. Lemons happen.

    • @THORR-mh9px
      @THORR-mh9px 3 місяці тому

      @spnfirearms If you could only have one 9mm handgun?Brand and model please?Thanks

  • @romans6two338
    @romans6two338 3 місяці тому +3

    If anyone has to call CZ USA, you're screwed. They still won't give me my part I have asked about 3 months ago. The part a screw, yes a screw. They sent me a stripped out screw and that's it.

  • @BrowncoatNerd
    @BrowncoatNerd Місяць тому +1

    Owned by Beretta but definitely not made by them. These come out of Turkey and to me that’s a red flag.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 День тому

      Turkey makes really good pistols. It's their shotguns that are useless

  • @snakeplissken44
    @snakeplissken44 3 місяці тому +2

    You know, I think magtech shipped a batch of shit ammo. I have a ruger lc9s and a czp10c that has been running everything no problem including magtech, but all of a sudden, I've been having issues with those guns running magtech.

    • @realwelder3529
      @realwelder3529 3 місяці тому +1

      I shoot quite a bit of Magtech, and today at the range, I had one that I struck 3 times in 2 different pistols, and it wouldn't fire. It was a Magtech Steel 115.

  • @111turpin3
    @111turpin3 3 місяці тому +2

    Glock 26 till I die

  • @Wolf-xi1hr
    @Wolf-xi1hr 3 місяці тому +6

    Gx4 it is

    • @mtnbound2764
      @mtnbound2764 3 місяці тому +1

      sigp365.

    • @Myemnhk
      @Myemnhk 3 місяці тому

      ​@@mtnbound2764hes obviously not trying to spend 500 dollars

    • @bbazzracing
      @bbazzracing 3 місяці тому +1

      Na GX4 is worse. Tons of people have issues with them. Do your googles

    • @Wolf-xi1hr
      @Wolf-xi1hr 3 місяці тому

      @@bbazzracing I Have one and run rounds thru mine every weekend I have over 1k rounds at this points and had have no issues, don’t knock it until you try it, I love it

    • @bbazzracing
      @bbazzracing 3 місяці тому

      @@Wolf-xi1hr you are one of the lucky ones. I rather not take them chances. Recalls, trigger issues, malfunctions, light primer strikes. Almost everything bad that can happen to a gun happens on the GX4. Soo no thank you. This is why you can get them for so cheap. I've seen them for $200 new

  • @Reap_and_Sow
    @Reap_and_Sow 3 місяці тому +2

    i was looking for a ccw was planning on getting a glock43x but i bought this stoeger instead. it was 100$ cheaper havent had any issues but ive only gone through 400 rounds sucks the one you got broke hopefully they fix it

  • @exodo7727
    @exodo7727 3 місяці тому +1

    I’m going to be honest not having an option to turn off the HDR on your videos it makes them unwatchable. It’s too bright.

  • @lousquitieri4234
    @lousquitieri4234 3 місяці тому +2

    Thanks, man! Can’t wait to see how this turns out. Um, my G26 looks better every day

  • @DanTheWolfman
    @DanTheWolfman 3 місяці тому +5

    Whoa bro slow your roll...clean and lube like your supposed to and Magtech has been having many QC issues for months and it's underpowered by far you said it ran fine w JHPS thats called a clue. UNDERPOWERED magtech likely w OAL variances as well. Clean lube and shoot some quality 124 grain then see. The puddiest 115 w gummed up gun of course is going to slow slide velocity and in a MICRO come on. Was this the magtech steel case? That would be even worse because of different case expansion....u have 3 problems and it's likely not the pistol. Their .32 has been bad, John from ASP in HK Hammer Fired p30 had two primers not go off on camera but he is sponsored by them.

    • @rod675
      @rod675 2 місяці тому

      My local go-to gun shop for ammo hasn't even sold Magtech for a long time now..maybe this has something to do with it? Never actually bought it when they had it in stock.

  • @kenshin034
    @kenshin034 3 місяці тому +1

    G26 and G3C appendix cause crimes gonna have either mags on them worst case as much as I like the shield the G3C has more Mag/sight options

    • @anthonyjarrad141
      @anthonyjarrad141 3 місяці тому

      I have the G3C and Shield Plus, for me I just shoot the Sheild better so it's my EDC and G3C is relagates as my truck gun...

  • @intoeverything2023
    @intoeverything2023 3 місяці тому +1

    Did you happen to save any of the brass from the malfunctions? It can tell you a few things about what's happening. I'm sure stoeger will stand by their product, but will they give you the real reason it failed. I'm all about companies standing by their product but, you're a tradesman. What's it like to take a craftsman tape measure back 27 times for the lifetime guarantee?

  • @mtnbound2764
    @mtnbound2764 3 місяці тому +2

    I have a STR-9 full size. it shoots low at even close range... sent it back to them and they sent it back saying it was fine... guess i wont be buying another stoeger. good thing i got this gun as a " throw away" to keep in my car or places i wouldnt want to leave a more expensive firearm. also yeah, what were they thinking putting adj sights on a carry gun, that rear sight looks like its designed to catch clothing on draw.

  • @anthonyjarrad141
    @anthonyjarrad141 3 місяці тому +3

    Soooooo, wait a year for Stoeger to work out some long term kinks, then buy and enjoy 😁

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +3

      Nope. They have plenty of running handguns. These had a MUCH better release than the p365!

  • @oddballgunman5288
    @oddballgunman5288 3 місяці тому +3

    One thing I like about the MC9 is magazine compatibility

    • @toddprickett6376
      @toddprickett6376 3 місяці тому +1

      Have you actually tried larger capacity mags? Mine didn't work at all until I resprung them with stiffer springs.

    • @oddballgunman5288
      @oddballgunman5288 3 місяці тому

      @@toddprickett6376 the 18 round mags work great for me

  • @34dawgsgo
    @34dawgsgo 3 місяці тому +3

    100% correct. The same service for everyone.

  • @SpicyRok7482
    @SpicyRok7482 3 місяці тому +1

    I have 2. #317212...BOTH run GREAT! CanNOT be beat for $259 & UP NEW!

  • @keysgirl7699
    @keysgirl7699 3 місяці тому +1

    You’re looking at it all wrong man. What Stoeger is doing is teaching you how to clear all types of malfunctions. I love cheaper, off-brand guns too. Some things I just won’t carry tho.

  • @patriotplays6990
    @patriotplays6990 3 місяці тому +1

    Wait? how many rounds? you said 1300? It is a small budget gun, couldn't the recoil spring be cooked? Good luck my man. Keep us updated.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +2

      Yes that’s what it is from what the malfunctions show. I’m sending it back to see what they say. It’s a stainless guide rod, should be able to hold up

  • @aaronwilcox6417
    @aaronwilcox6417 3 місяці тому +1

    Unfortunate. Paid $160 for an like new Shield 40 and so far no issue and it has amazing accuracy. Its what i got and dont think I need to change yet. If i could afford it i wish i had an S&W 43c to go with it but those are spendy.

  • @harleyboy65
    @harleyboy65 3 місяці тому +1

    I will go out on a limb and say you will not get any customer service. Will watch for the outcome

    • @toddprickett6376
      @toddprickett6376 3 місяці тому +1

      I emailed them and got no response. I called twice and got right through both times. The first time was to have them ship me a flush magazine as mine came with two mags with pinky extenders. They sent me a flush mount. The second time was to tell them the 15 round mags didn't feed in my microcompact. I asked if I could exchange them for the two mags that ship with the gun as the springs in the 15 round mags weren't stiff enough. They agreed, then swapped the two 15 round mags for two other 15 round mags (sigh) that also didn't work.

  • @smokey3994
    @smokey3994 3 місяці тому +2

    I’ll hold off until we see how they fix the issue. Appreciate you spn !

  • @iLikeCarsFPS
    @iLikeCarsFPS 3 місяці тому +1

    Are we worried about the STR9 SC (Sub compact)?

  • @obijuan3
    @obijuan3 3 місяці тому +2

    SPN,
    Have you had any issues with your Stoeger STR9 SC?

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

      None, it’s been absolutely flawless!

    • @obijuan3
      @obijuan3 3 місяці тому +1

      @@spnfirearms Thank you sir! Thank you for your videos!

  • @thomascrompton7775
    @thomascrompton7775 3 місяці тому +1

    I mean no disrespect and understand its all about vreatubg content but luke you said 1400 rounds did you ckean the gun. Just because you havent with others doesnt mean it was right. Did you trt other ammo. Was this sameme ammo shot for 1400 rounds. It woyod be great to think every gun lukes every ammo but we all no rhats not fact. Just got a new batch federal 115 grain fmj worst and dirtiest ammo i shot in long time.

  • @toddprickett6376
    @toddprickett6376 3 місяці тому +1

    My guess would be either a magazine spring issue, recoil spring issue, or bent mag lips (least likely).

  • @Precocktrigger
    @Precocktrigger 3 місяці тому +1

    Nice. I never shot, one But I love my hellcat for pocket carry, shield plus and my MC9 are my summer edc along with my PDP F

  • @FauxAmis78
    @FauxAmis78 3 місяці тому +1

    I understand the frustration, but I'm of the opinion that you should be cleaning those small guns every couple hundred rounds, especially budget guns. Over 500 rounds without cleaning it is borderline neglect, imho. That said, I've known people who have had lots of bad luck with Magtech. Thanks for all the videos though, and I'm still jealous you got to go to UFC 300! Must've been amazing.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому

      It was cleaned every time out. The 550 rounds was in one sitting at the range. My hellcat ran 500 in one video. My p365 ran 500 in one video. After that malfunction it was cleaned every range trip. You guys always freak out and don’t take it for what is actually being said. Just relax

    • @FauxAmis78
      @FauxAmis78 3 місяці тому

      I'm relaxed, brother. Not freaking out. Just didn't catch that it was all in one range trip.

  • @butisit7816
    @butisit7816 3 місяці тому +3

    Have you tried any Kahrs?

    • @toddprickett6376
      @toddprickett6376 3 місяці тому +1

      I replaced a Kahr with the STR-9MC. The fact their mag capacity is so low (given they are single stacks) makes Kahrs obsolete. I doubled the mag capacity by going to the STR-9MC while maintaining the same height and adding 1/2 inch length.

    • @butisit7816
      @butisit7816 3 місяці тому

      @@toddprickett6376 the kahr x is looking good

  • @rayhenry26r
    @rayhenry26r 3 місяці тому +1

    I just put money on one this past Friday! I’m excited to see how it shoots! I’m hoping to hand it over to my wife for her edc!

  • @laasland40oz
    @laasland40oz 21 день тому

    I look forward to the follow up

  • @hawk_eye_view
    @hawk_eye_view 3 місяці тому +1

    For the same price check out the Beretta APX A1 compact! They have a $100 rebate right now too 🔥

    • @anthonyjarrad141
      @anthonyjarrad141 3 місяці тому

      I got the A1, rebate took 4.months, it's the biggest piece I own (like SPN I prefer smaller easily concealable 9mm).
      Was surprised I can actually conceal it with the right clothes and belt, great gun, haven't had enough range time with it yet, soon!

  • @jamesdelap4085
    @jamesdelap4085 3 місяці тому +1

    No SPN zone!

  • @Hurtchu
    @Hurtchu 29 днів тому

    owned by Benelli not beretta. Benelli stoeger and Franchi is all the same.

    • @Hurtchu
      @Hurtchu 29 днів тому

      even tho Benellie is owned by Beretta it's a different build house.

  • @sleigh4019
    @sleigh4019 3 місяці тому

    Doesn't hapoen? Imagine a canik mc9 taking all the mags lol ..oh they did before .. Never got why out of this vs a MC9 you run this ..its funny cause its 30-60$ difference at most

    • @sleigh4019
      @sleigh4019 3 місяці тому

      Oh and at 450$ it cost more the a MC9 so way way out imo . I have shot one don't own one and I wasn't impressed there SC was way better by miles and cheaoer

    • @anthonyjarrad141
      @anthonyjarrad141 3 місяці тому

      ​@@sleigh4019got the Canik Elite SC, love it to death, found a beautiful matching tungsten colored +9 aluminum mag extension (21+1) for home defense, carry once in a while.
      Was planning to get the Stoeger SC as a better looking G26....

  • @JhonVargas-h8o
    @JhonVargas-h8o 3 місяці тому +2

    Got a sar px9 carry cheap works great

    • @anthonyjarrad141
      @anthonyjarrad141 3 місяці тому

      Hey was wondering about that pistola, is it thin like micro 9s, or more of a Compact/subcompact typical double stack?

  • @111turpin3
    @111turpin3 3 місяці тому +1

    Great channel. Thank you for the insight

  • @keylargojoe62
    @keylargojoe62 3 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the info man!

  • @Thasgolas
    @Thasgolas 3 місяці тому +1

    I can imagine the mag compatibility - my IWI Masada Slim takes all the Jericho mags and all the Cz-75 mags, which gives it a wide variety of available options.

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

      But no where near as small as this. I have a Masada and it has a compact length grip. This can shrink to a pocket pistol! Respect

    • @Thasgolas
      @Thasgolas 3 місяці тому

      @spnfirearms oh, I know - I liked it, too, when I saw it - but I'm finding the Masada S extremely easy to carry concealed. As to a pocket pistol? We'll see. By the way, I had a chance to s so how the grip on the Masada S works with sweaty hands this week - I was impressed!

  • @lavidacigars
    @lavidacigars 3 місяці тому

    Any chance you can compare your S&W Shield in 357 Sig to the Glock 33? I have the Glock 27 in 40 converted to 357 Sig. It’s basically the same size as your Glock 26 and mine has the Pearce +1 pinky extension, so 10+1 capacity. Just wondering if you thought the Shield was worth swapping out and losing capacity?

  • @111turpin3
    @111turpin3 3 місяці тому +1

    Oh no!!!

  • @sBentonfamily
    @sBentonfamily 3 місяці тому

    Multiple failures in a short timeframe followed by normal running with alternative ammo would make me look at the ammo. Did you run this ammo through another firearm ?

  • @Damnjayy1347
    @Damnjayy1347 2 місяці тому

    I don’t think the mags are interchangeable. I’ve tried running str9 combat mags and it doesn’t sit high enough to chamber next round. Gonna try more tho

  • @trapgodnah9022
    @trapgodnah9022 2 місяці тому +1

    I cant decide between this or the p365, FM reflex or Hellcat

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  2 місяці тому

      Hellcat! The most reliable. Respect

    • @trapgodnah9022
      @trapgodnah9022 2 місяці тому

      @@spnfirearms from the YT reviews I’ve seen the hellcat has a pinch of recoil and the handles aren’t the firmest, Ive chosen FN reflex as the top 9mm

  • @kaisoliz2533
    @kaisoliz2533 3 місяці тому

    my str9 hates a lot of different ammo i tried some pbr bullets and it jammed after every other one tried some blazers and it had maybe 2 jams out of 100 bullets i got some remingtons and they shot perfectly but i got tipped off to try 124 grain and it makes a difference

  • @frankbrowning328
    @frankbrowning328 3 місяці тому

    It's odd that a fixed site is not standard and an adj site an option. It is possible to fix the site issue by replacing the front site with a taller front site. If a taller front site is not available, the back site could be filed down, and the notch deepened until the gun shot to point of aim at a given distance.
    I'll be interested in how the reliability issue is resolved with Stoeger

  • @Damnjayy1347
    @Damnjayy1347 2 місяці тому

    I’ve also had no problems with gold dots. Hornety has feeding issues when hand feeding but shot fine

  • @stuardoloy1104
    @stuardoloy1104 3 місяці тому

    Would like to see a video oficial the beretta apx a1 carry and hear your opinions

  • @dominicgreifinger3594
    @dominicgreifinger3594 3 місяці тому +1

    I wanna see you check out the GX4. By far my favorite micro compact

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

      I have 2! I’ve reviewed them multiple times!

    • @dominicgreifinger3594
      @dominicgreifinger3594 3 місяці тому +1

      @@spnfirearmsreally? How have I missed your videos on them. My bad brother, I’m slackin haha 😅 thought I’ve watched them all. I’ll check them out. Keep up the great work, your videos are awesome and love the honest, down to earth reviews. Pumped to see your upcoming holsters 💪🏼

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

      No worries man! I can make an updated video for you guys. My thoughts have changed on them lately

    • @dominicgreifinger3594
      @dominicgreifinger3594 3 місяці тому

      ⁠@@spnfirearmsthat would be awesome to see. Hopefully it hasn’t changed in the form of the Stoeger.

  • @mtnbound2764
    @mtnbound2764 3 місяці тому +1

    their website says 10+1 or 13+1. not 11+1.

    • @answersforlooking9430
      @answersforlooking9430 3 місяці тому +2

      its 11 +1..... i have the same gun.....

    • @mtnbound2764
      @mtnbound2764 3 місяці тому

      @@answersforlooking9430 ok i guess their site is wrong then! thanks!

    • @smickjeff1
      @smickjeff1 3 місяці тому

      Must have changed very recently, I have one. You can still purchase 11rd mags at Midwest Gun Works.

    • @toddprickett6376
      @toddprickett6376 3 місяці тому +3

      Mine shipped with a 10+1 and a 13+1, but the 10+1 had a pinky extender. I called and told them I wanted a flush mounted mag like I was supposed to get and they shipped me an 11+1 flush mount.

  • @iakazul
    @iakazul 3 місяці тому

    Perfectly happy with the SC model

  • @texasrigged5875
    @texasrigged5875 3 місяці тому

    I want to say 4 months ago maybe longer. I went looking for my first conceal carry/at home carry around while doing yard work. My two local gun shops say even though they carry’s it they wouldn’t sell it to anyone for more then range use and gave me $50 off a mc9 he had priced at $400 and I walked out the door with it the next day after paper work haven’t had a problem with it (it prettier then a high point but the 2 dudes I trust to sell me ccw said it’s a no no) 😅 edit next time I go I’ll ask them why if your interested and one of them has them at $250 with warning on a sticky note on box lmao

    • @spnfirearms
      @spnfirearms  3 місяці тому +1

      Main they sound like a bunch of idiots. I kid you not, people who work at gun shops know the least about handguns lmao. I kid you not. They think they know what they are talking about and they don’t.

    • @texasrigged5875
      @texasrigged5875 3 місяці тому

      @@spnfirearmsso in your opinion it’s a definite check out especially if it’s at 250?

  • @joewest2560
    @joewest2560 9 днів тому

    In my testing I like the gx4 toro best.