Hi Cameron, Alexander from Time-Team here. Great to see everybody appreciate the stats. We're all rowers ourselves and have been doing these races for a few years now. Just to try and explain the start using a race system versus setting up a 2k on your erg yourself. When you set it up yourself, the clock starts counting when the erg detects your first stroke. This is probably when you've pulled out about .5 meter of chain (depending on how fast you are able to accelerate the flywheel). When using a race system, the start is random, all the clocks are started exactly at the same time, not depending on anyone's stroke. But this means your clock starts from a full standstill, and you lose the time up to you've been able to pull out that same amount of chain. You are correct that after 1 second you've pulled out .7 meters of chain and haven't completed your first stroke yet, that's why your monitor will say your stroke rate is 0. That's why your average looks bad after your first stroke when using a race system, and you can't really compare race system times with individual set times.
Hey Alexander! Thank you so much for the response! That's really good to know, I'm sure the yamsqaud will be super interested to know this!! Perhaps we can colab on a video at some point?!
Bartek Gzowski how could you possibly train that? In my times we would only row a race event once a year (national champs) and you really don’t wanna f*** it up there by trying some new tricks...
Had a little chuckle at the line 'why am I at R50, with 300m to go?'. It is definitely ambitious, to say the least - the adrenaline must have been pumping on the day! Thanks for the analysis, really interesting to hear your own interpretation of what was happening at each stage. It was the first time I have watched indoor rowing live on the tv (via youtube), and it was a well put-together event. The Russian athlete who won was a tank! Looking back, and forgive me if you mentioned in the video, I can't remember - where was the point where you could still have held strong to the finish, during the 'great push'. Say, if you had backed off once you had got to the 1:26 and stayed, instead of continuing to yam to the 1:24 range? These are numbers so far out my range, I can't quite imagine having to pull and maintain that sort of power.
Only just watched this after watching many of your videos. I'm trying to break the 7 min barrier for 2k having not rowed before and making some progress. However, loved this video and the analysis. You are much more game face than in your normal videos! 👍 Good to see and really interesting to hear your thoughts and see the data.
Cam - Well done in Paris. Great performance and clearly indicates progress. At your level it is essentially baby steps and is probably more psychological than physical. Excellent analysis and in closing, we are all here for you. Keep it going - Best regards, Richard
Excellent and honest analysis! appreciated you took the time to go through it. It was interesting to look at the graphs and spm of the guys above you too as a comparison. A great experience and plenty to take heart for the next one :)
Great Analysis and Breakdown. Really appreciate hearing your thoughts. As an amateur, I relished the opportunity of rowing in the Crash-B’s in Boston several times. I blew up on my first one, went out way to fast and paid the price. But the real take away was realizing that my ability to comprehend the numbers on the screen was almost non-existent in the last 500. It is always a challenge, but under the excitement of the event and the little extra effort that works it’s way into the first 500, the numbers really start not making sense. After that experience, I started bringing a post-it note for the Monitor with target rating/pace and a one line instruction for whatever I think would benefit me the most. Keep up the great content!
As almost all comments on your channel are from either competitors or next-best-things, I thought I'd provide the perspective of another demographic. I've been rowing on Concept2 machines for over 30 years. They've always been a part of my fitness regimen, though not the actual foundation. (Sidebar: Were I asked, as someone with more than 45+ years' worth of fitness experience what the average person should use to construct their approach, I'd say 1) Yoga, 2) Concept2, 3) Functional resistance workouts.) One of my fondest Concept2 memories was when I was living in Britain in 2002. I was on the machine rowing when the GB team went up against my guys, Canada, in the 8s. Now _that_ was an experience I'll never forget! LOL Anyway, even though I'm not as 'serious' a rower as most who come here to watch and comment, I'm sure I'm going to get some inspiration from you and your viewers. So thanks.
I think you'd be surprised how many people here are not competitors and enjoy the sport of rowing! Regardless I appreciate the comment, its awesome to hear from everyone wherever they are in their rowing journey! #yamsquad
Cameron - amazing job stepping into the arena solo and placing where you did! Huge moment as so many changes had been playing in to it. Thank you for the analysis throughout the race, and even more for sharing what was going through your head, what you would keep the same, and what you'd do differently - it helps to hear your thought process as I think about my upcoming races as I'm sure it does for many others. Keep going and thanks for making the videos!
Cam, great, great effort matey. You were really hanging it all out there and such in depth analysis and subtle subtle correction might have got you an extra second closer to your Holy Grail sub 5.50. What always scares me is comments from non-rowers, 'you just need to row each 500m one second faster'. They have no idea... :-)
Honestly I was amazed at how long you kept it up at 40 spm. I was watching and was so shocked. Then when you went up to 60 I was confused. I looked at people next to you and they seemed to be going so much slower. I can’t imagine how much that hurt hitting that wall at the end! So impressed- keep up the hard work!
It's inspiring to hear elite rowers like you go through the same ups and downs as journeymen like me. Listening to your thinking it sounds like you were conflicted between going for a time goal, say 5:50 (and let the placing in the competition take care of itself), and getting drawn into the competition for a good place (by virtue of the PM5 showing your placement).
No matter who it is we are all human and can have very similar struggles! You're right, like I said, there are seconds to be gained by being slightly less aggressive with the moves
I was an int‘l lightweight for quite some years, won a few international medals at U23 and World Cups, my PB on the erg was 6:12 at 72,5kg (at trials) and I have done plenty of erg 2ks to feel with you, haha. So what exactly happened when you produced those 1:23s at rate 50 with a minute to go? It was an impressive move, but had you waited another 100-150m, you could have touched the 5:51 or even 5:50. Anyway, very impressive and I’m glad that little blow up in the end didn’t affect your very disciplined race too much.
That's a lot of heat at lightweight weight! Like I said in the video, i saw a chance for a medal as I was on 4th place but felt I needed more! Unfortunately didn't have much left! Definitely faster in the tank! #yamsquad
Ah yes, you said that. I feel like an idiot now, haha. It was a brave move, but it might have cost a second or so. I am a follower of your channel for quite a while and I see your progress on the torture machine. I remember, at the end of my U23s, I struggled to get below that 6:20 mark. It felt like a sound barrier for me. You could wake me up at 3 in the night and I would do a 6:20, but never managed to do a 6:19. My physical scores from the testing we did suggested I should have gone faster though, so my coached thought it must be some issue in my head, haha. In the weeks to the next 2k, he would let me do 2x500m at 2secs below a sub 6:20 pace, a week after that 1x1000m 1sec below pace and in the week of the test 1x1500m at 1:34. It felt good and I knew I "only" had to do that last 500m. I could mess it up and still do a sub 6:20. That gave me the confidence I could do it - I went to the test and did a 6:14. A lot about breaking that pain barrier is going on in your head and once you have the confidence you can easily do this and that score, you will relax a lot more. Maybe that is some advice I can give you as a 33yo ;-) Also, I learned over the years that doing the 2ks at a higher rate (I would do them at 39-42 avg rate) made it a lot easier and faster, as I would use my "machine" (lungs, hearts) instead of pumping out "torque" out of the legs at rate 32 or smth. My legs would tighten up and I would struggle to hold the splits. Using a higher rate, but lower force each stroke would make me use my aerobic capacity for a much longer time and the pain would set in more "controllable" (it was a cardiovascular burn more than a muscle burn if you know what I mean). It felt like I put no effort into a single stroke and just kept the wheel spinning by rating high. It's all about keeping that wheel spinning I guess, so long and powerful strokes are not really necessary on the erg (in contrast to on the water where short strokes are not your friend). It depends on the type of person you are, though (I think). Generally, lightweights would try to use their endurance instead of their (not really existing) brute force - but in the last few years the trend went to higher rating also for heavies...you can also see that on the water (Aussie four for example). Well, yes - 6:12 was decent in 2012, but if you wanna be near the medals, you definitely have to go down sub 6:10 nowadays. A lot of lightweights are touching the 6min mark and to my reckon three have already posted sub 6min times (which was unthinkable 10-15 years ago). The sport is evolving, I guess. It's a shame you didn't compete at the Worlds last year, I did the on track native language race commentary - would have been nice to meet you in person. All the best for this season, you are definitely on the right track!
Such a beast man. Love it. Your dying at the end is many splits faster than my best splits during a 2k. Keep on pushing yourself and refining your strategy.
Great insight. Interesting to compare with winning guy, he was all out for first 40 secs then settled into 1:27 pace with his stroke rate graph is almost completely flat, even when his pace dropped off in last 100m. Easier leading though I should have thought!
A great race to watch. I believe you got to at least 5th at one point and commentator on the live feed even mentioned podium possibility ! For such a high rate you also moved around pretty well afterwards... many of us would have been on the floor lights out. Well done CB
Great video!! Catching up on your journey. 52 and trying to break 7 minutes on an Aviron. Not sure how that compares to the Concept 2. 7:13 is my PB as of that.
Excellent video. I did the WRIC last year in California and it definitely is hard to keep to your plan. Have done lots of other comps with no issue but the WRIC just amped everything up.
Cam - As promised, I did do some more work on using “Power” as a training tool in the same way cyclists do. Very interesting similarities and, it might / repeat might help when you look at Watts / Rate. Happy to share the ideas when the time is good for you / the channel.
Fantastic commitment throughout the piece! There's got to be a 5:45 in there somewhere, but the high rate might be a clue that all is not as good as it could be in the power phase. A few days ago when you were talking about glute activation, that sounds like thinking along the right lines, although for me it has to be sorted out on the machine and not with weights. Could be beneficial for the Yamsquad to look at your UT2 power curve, although I find it's a little misleading on the C2 display.
Good CrossFit athletes are decent to good rowers - and are good at squats for reps in addition to having a good engine. Some degree of weight training surely makes sense at the elite rowing level, I think
Good to hear the talk through. I did BRIC once and it’s quite different erging in an arena. Normally on the erg you have to psyche yourself up to train. In an arena you need to avoid deviating from race plan. It would be interesting to know what drag factor you raced with. And if you do another analysis piece again it would be good to see the drive length as well which several of the apps give you. You rate higher than most people in the top 10 so I am guessing either your drag is very low or your stroke is relatively short which is perhaps surprising given your height.
I don’t see how having a free choice of whatever you want can be unfair. Much more unfair if everyone has to row on the same drag which may suit some better than others.
I think BR has different standard drags for different athlete groups so the heavyweight men all use the same drag but women and lightweights use lighter drags. They’re not alone amongst national teams in having a squad drag but I think they’re on the higher side. The Aussies are lower for example.
Thank you, Cam - that was a very interesting an honest assessment. When I looked at your split times on Saturday after the race I came to a similar conclusion. I'm guessing that you were looking to beat 5:50, so 1:29.5 + 1:29.5 gives you too much to do - you'd have to finish something like 1:27 + 1:24. I was wondering why your stroke rate was so high - I compared it to others in the race. Now I know! The one thing that confused me in my first race was the display did not show my estimated finish time - this means you have to keep a mental estimate of your elapsed time which I find difficult.
Hi Cameron, can you do an analysis of other competitors (winner?) to see how they performed and perhaps what their strategy was? I think comparing and contrasting would be very interesting . Keep up the good work, loving the channel. Cheers.
100% got a sub 5.50 in you at this moment in time i think. Unreal effort!. Pacing is never easy when you are in heaps of agony though, and the mind games kick in lol
Great piece of analysis - fascinating. You probably have a 5.46 in you in the near future if you can get that race plan right. Keep a sensible rate and keep the length in the last minute (if I may say so).
Hi - great job CB ! FWIW, I reckon you are spot on with your analysis. In many ways the arena is going to be a distracting environment. No matter how reasonable it seems at the race time to not row to plan ... don’t do it :) .
Thanks David! Agreed. Should have stuck to it but I was having too much fun! Realistically the score doesn't matter and if I can come away enjoying it then that's what really matters and will help on the next one! #yamsquad
Amazing pace and times! Congrats!! My best is just under 7mins and I felt like I was dying after the race your stroke rate is so much higher than mine...I barely reach 30. I wonder what your HR monitor would have said! 😂💪💪👍👏👏👏
Did a lot of practice before this one to work at the higher rates. I did blow up though 😂 which meant I had to rate higher at the end to hold on to any pace! HR probably maxed around 180-190. I have a 554 on the channel with all the data live 💪
Hi Cameron ! Nice video ! I am a cyclist and to have a better idea of this kind of effort, is it possible to mesure the power (Watt) in rowing? And if yes, how much does it takes to reach 6 mins in 2k? Thx dude keep going
Indeed, the display can show watts if you want. Like Thomas said 480 Watts is what is needed for a 6 minute 2k. The one I did was 512 watts avg. Hope that helps!
Cameron - you can get 10 seconds off this time IMO. Your analysis of Alexander’s race stats show this. British record in 2022 ! Keep pushing. Love the videos.
Thanks for this. So interesting to see the numbers. I don't know if you have done any calculations on what you lost as your split went up at the end but I thought it might be interesting to see what difference a moderately strong/average finish would make. Watching your fantastic video I actually thought there must be live data error so rapidly did the numbers go up. 😒 Anyway I did some calculations and taking the last reading (1855 5M 25.9) you show on this video you are going to take 26.7 secs to do 145m which is a sniff under a 1.32 split. If we say you finished at your average split i.e. 1.28 you would have finished 6.5m "earlier" which at 1.28 takes just over a second.(1.13). I would look on that as a BONUS second or so to take into your next 2000. 👍 Still a great row Cameron! 😊😊😊😊
Love the calculation! I actually wanted to do that too! In theory I should have delayed the 23s and even the 24s and probably would gain even more than a seconds overall with the better pacing!! Plus a little time from the start too and we are under 50!! Excited for the next attempt! #yamsquad
@@CameronBuchan Just going to get on the Erg for an hour or so! Yes pacing is the answer and you'll be more aware of the adrenaline rush such events bring which can be good and bad! Have a good row!
Of course it was a really impressive race, well done ! I think maybe the mistake you’ve made is to accelerate so fast so soon. Maybe going by stages, like every 100m of the last 500m you get 1 split faster, or 2... and just don’t burn the energy before the finish... And yeah it would be interesting to see you analyse some big scores ! Like the big 2k of the russian winner with this first 500m in 1:22 !
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO USE YOUR SMART PHONE APP ?? I put my phone on the beam at my foot peddles out of the way of the slide so I can record and log it that way so maybe that way it will show your own actual pace ???
2 decades ago the first strokes of a major change like a start where always prone to be nutty... at that point its like all the computer can handle is the time and distance... like how later you kept getting 69 as a kind of "no read" number -- the overall curve is what matters awesome neg splits -- be cool to see how it can go for you steady 1:28 for the 500 and 1000 then 1:27 to 1500 and 1:26 hauling home for sub-5:50
Or 7:00. Or 7:20. 6:40 off a 1:28 is fast for most people but if you have a lot of aerobic fitness and not much power it’s possible. It really depends on your training background and physiology .
Cam - Currently on the road but will email you at the address provided in the next few hours. Lots of good data to share that I think might help training with “Power / Watts”.
Hi Cameron It seems like you definitely have the capacity to go under 5.50 but being your first go lacked the experience. Do you think you will try keeping a longer slide and lower rate? Also race your own race and don't try compete with others.
I agree. Couple of changes will get it there. Will be easier not at a champs too. Yes, I rated too high this time. Agreed, keeping the blinkers on! #yamsquad
So imo what you did at around 4min defined your outcome. Row with more discipline after 4min and you would probably have gained a couple seconds at the end.
Cameron Buchan i find it surprising that you overdid it. was the atmosphere and crowd that crazy thrilling? a man with your experience made thousands of 2ks bedore right? but dont forget, your performance was crazy good!!
@@99cya I have experience yes. But like I have said, this was my first indoor champs, the atmosphere was electric. It was much different to sitting on the start line at a world championship on the water!
you hit the lactate wall with 100m to go, must have sucked really bad hahaha. If you are "bored" one day try a rate capped first 1500m at about 30-32 rowing full length then razz it last 500 see what happens. Easy ask from my office chair :)
@@CameronBuchan same as 400m runners get in the last 100. If your blood pH gets to a certain level your muscles just cannot contract. Its a physiological barrier unfortunately. Some people can continue operating at higher lactate levels than others but its always a fine line on when do you start the final burst. When are you getting in a single?
You chased, never ever chase until 440m to go. At my speeds thats 360m to go. You go faster so chase from further out. But before 500m, never chase the names on the screen, just row your race.
Well going the full 1'23" was epic brave. Watching the vid, I could have sworn that you were on for a medal. You did well to hold on to the end, rowing through a bang like that is horrible
Hey cam today my coach decided to be evil by hitting us with a 4x10 peice where you pull your last 2k avg+ 10 watts for 30 seconds and then went down to your 6k pace+10 watts for 90 seconds. So essentialy 4x10 switching between 2k and 6k pace Last minute is an all out sprint. It's a doozie but helps immensely with pace and sprint control.
Hi Cameron, Alexander from Time-Team here. Great to see everybody appreciate the stats. We're all rowers ourselves and have been doing these races for a few years now.
Just to try and explain the start using a race system versus setting up a 2k on your erg yourself. When you set it up yourself, the clock starts counting when the erg detects your first stroke. This is probably when you've pulled out about .5 meter of chain (depending on how fast you are able to accelerate the flywheel). When using a race system, the start is random, all the clocks are started exactly at the same time, not depending on anyone's stroke. But this means your clock starts from a full standstill, and you lose the time up to you've been able to pull out that same amount of chain. You are correct that after 1 second you've pulled out .7 meters of chain and haven't completed your first stroke yet, that's why your monitor will say your stroke rate is 0. That's why your average looks bad after your first stroke when using a race system, and you can't really compare race system times with individual set times.
Hey Alexander! Thank you so much for the response! That's really good to know, I'm sure the yamsqaud will be super interested to know this!! Perhaps we can colab on a video at some point?!
If you train a little, there is the way to perfectly start small fraction of time before starting signal without falstart😉
Bartek Gzowski how could you possibly train that? In my times we would only row a race event once a year (national champs) and you really don’t wanna f*** it up there by trying some new tricks...
@@spiller212 You can connect ergs together to get the system you race with without actually going to a champs!
Just had a 2k erg today. Pr’d with a 6:52 weighing in at 138 lbs. Absolutely dead though 😂 #yamsquad
nice!
That's absolutely amazing! Well done and keep up the great work! #yamsquad
Cameron Buchan thanks 🙏
Sick. Nice wpk
Bruh that's like incredible for your weight, congrats!
Had a little chuckle at the line 'why am I at R50, with 300m to go?'. It is definitely ambitious, to say the least - the adrenaline must have been pumping on the day! Thanks for the analysis, really interesting to hear your own interpretation of what was happening at each stage. It was the first time I have watched indoor rowing live on the tv (via youtube), and it was a well put-together event. The Russian athlete who won was a tank!
Looking back, and forgive me if you mentioned in the video, I can't remember - where was the point where you could still have held strong to the finish, during the 'great push'. Say, if you had backed off once you had got to the 1:26 and stayed, instead of continuing to yam to the 1:24 range? These are numbers so far out my range, I can't quite imagine having to pull and maintain that sort of power.
Only just watched this after watching many of your videos. I'm trying to break the 7 min barrier for 2k having not rowed before and making some progress. However, loved this video and the analysis. You are much more game face than in your normal videos! 👍 Good to see and really interesting to hear your thoughts and see the data.
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it. Good luck with breaking 7 minutes!
Love this Cam. Huge effort, incredible time. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks Will! I appreciate the support! #yamsquad
Cam - Well done in Paris. Great performance and clearly indicates progress. At your level it is essentially baby steps and is probably more psychological than physical. Excellent analysis and in closing, we are all here for you. Keep it going
- Best regards, Richard
Thanks for the support Richard! That's it. Steps forward help alot with motivation too!
Absolutely fascinating commentary. Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Thanks Rick! Enjoyed making it! #yamsquad
Excellent and honest analysis! appreciated you took the time to go through it. It was interesting to look at the graphs and spm of the guys above you too as a comparison. A great experience and plenty to take heart for the next one :)
As always, alot to learn! #yamsquad
Great Analysis and Breakdown. Really appreciate hearing your thoughts. As an amateur, I relished the opportunity of rowing in the Crash-B’s in Boston several times. I blew up on my first one, went out way to fast and paid the price. But the real take away was realizing that my ability to comprehend the numbers on the screen was almost non-existent in the last 500. It is always a challenge, but under the excitement of the event and the little extra effort that works it’s way into the first 500, the numbers really start not making sense. After that experience, I started bringing a post-it note for the Monitor with target rating/pace and a one line instruction for whatever I think would benefit me the most. Keep up the great content!
As almost all comments on your channel are from either competitors or next-best-things, I thought I'd provide the perspective of another demographic. I've been rowing on Concept2 machines for over 30 years. They've always been a part of my fitness regimen, though not the actual foundation. (Sidebar: Were I asked, as someone with more than 45+ years' worth of fitness experience what the average person should use to construct their approach, I'd say 1) Yoga, 2) Concept2, 3) Functional resistance workouts.) One of my fondest Concept2 memories was when I was living in Britain in 2002. I was on the machine rowing when the GB team went up against my guys, Canada, in the 8s. Now _that_ was an experience I'll never forget! LOL Anyway, even though I'm not as 'serious' a rower as most who come here to watch and comment, I'm sure I'm going to get some inspiration from you and your viewers. So thanks.
I think you'd be surprised how many people here are not competitors and enjoy the sport of rowing! Regardless I appreciate the comment, its awesome to hear from everyone wherever they are in their rowing journey! #yamsquad
Cameron - amazing job stepping into the arena solo and placing where you did! Huge moment as so many changes had been playing in to it. Thank you for the analysis throughout the race, and even more for sharing what was going through your head, what you would keep the same, and what you'd do differently - it helps to hear your thought process as I think about my upcoming races as I'm sure it does for many others. Keep going and thanks for making the videos!
Thanks Jennifer! Was a great experience! Thanks for watching! #yamsquad
Great analysis Cam, thank you. 👍
Cam, great, great effort matey. You were really hanging it all out there and such in depth analysis and subtle subtle correction might have got you an extra second closer to your Holy Grail sub 5.50. What always scares me is comments from non-rowers, 'you just need to row each 500m one second faster'. They have no idea... :-)
Thanks Kevin. Only need the 0.1 to beat the pb. We will get there! It's difficult to know how difficult a 2k is without doing it! #yamsquad
Thanks Cameron - very interesting, all the more so with your candour.
Thanks Neil. I feel like there isn't any point in hiding anything and hopefully by being honest people can relate more too
Honestly I was amazed at how long you kept it up at 40 spm. I was watching and was so shocked. Then when you went up to 60 I was confused. I looked at people next to you and they seemed to be going so much slower. I can’t imagine how much that hurt hitting that wall at the end! So impressed- keep up the hard work!
I saw you there just before the race and after mine. Thumbed you up. Unfortunatelly, didn’t find you afterwards. Great time. Good luck!
I was all over the place for a little bit after the race! #yamsquad
It's inspiring to hear elite rowers like you go through the same ups and downs as journeymen like me. Listening to your thinking it sounds like you were conflicted between going for a time goal, say 5:50 (and let the placing in the competition take care of itself), and getting drawn into the competition for a good place (by virtue of the PM5 showing your placement).
No matter who it is we are all human and can have very similar struggles! You're right, like I said, there are seconds to be gained by being slightly less aggressive with the moves
I was an int‘l lightweight for quite some years, won a few international medals at U23 and World Cups, my PB on the erg was 6:12 at 72,5kg (at trials) and I have done plenty of erg 2ks to feel with you, haha. So what exactly happened when you produced those 1:23s at rate 50 with a minute to go? It was an impressive move, but had you waited another 100-150m, you could have touched the 5:51 or even 5:50. Anyway, very impressive and I’m glad that little blow up in the end didn’t affect your very disciplined race too much.
That's a lot of heat at lightweight weight! Like I said in the video, i saw a chance for a medal as I was on 4th place but felt I needed more! Unfortunately didn't have much left! Definitely faster in the tank! #yamsquad
Ah yes, you said that. I feel like an idiot now, haha. It was a brave move, but it might have cost a second or so. I am a follower of your channel for quite a while and I see your progress on the torture machine. I remember, at the end of my U23s, I struggled to get below that 6:20 mark. It felt like a sound barrier for me. You could wake me up at 3 in the night and I would do a 6:20, but never managed to do a 6:19. My physical scores from the testing we did suggested I should have gone faster though, so my coached thought it must be some issue in my head, haha. In the weeks to the next 2k, he would let me do 2x500m at 2secs below a sub 6:20 pace, a week after that 1x1000m 1sec below pace and in the week of the test 1x1500m at 1:34. It felt good and I knew I "only" had to do that last 500m. I could mess it up and still do a sub 6:20. That gave me the confidence I could do it - I went to the test and did a 6:14. A lot about breaking that pain barrier is going on in your head and once you have the confidence you can easily do this and that score, you will relax a lot more. Maybe that is some advice I can give you as a 33yo ;-) Also, I learned over the years that doing the 2ks at a higher rate (I would do them at 39-42 avg rate) made it a lot easier and faster, as I would use my "machine" (lungs, hearts) instead of pumping out "torque" out of the legs at rate 32 or smth. My legs would tighten up and I would struggle to hold the splits. Using a higher rate, but lower force each stroke would make me use my aerobic capacity for a much longer time and the pain would set in more "controllable" (it was a cardiovascular burn more than a muscle burn if you know what I mean). It felt like I put no effort into a single stroke and just kept the wheel spinning by rating high. It's all about keeping that wheel spinning I guess, so long and powerful strokes are not really necessary on the erg (in contrast to on the water where short strokes are not your friend). It depends on the type of person you are, though (I think). Generally, lightweights would try to use their endurance instead of their (not really existing) brute force - but in the last few years the trend went to higher rating also for heavies...you can also see that on the water (Aussie four for example).
Well, yes - 6:12 was decent in 2012, but if you wanna be near the medals, you definitely have to go down sub 6:10 nowadays. A lot of lightweights are touching the 6min mark and to my reckon three have already posted sub 6min times (which was unthinkable 10-15 years ago). The sport is evolving, I guess. It's a shame you didn't compete at the Worlds last year, I did the on track native language race commentary - would have been nice to meet you in person. All the best for this season, you are definitely on the right track!
Such a beast man. Love it. Your dying at the end is many splits faster than my best splits during a 2k. Keep on pushing yourself and refining your strategy.
Thanks Eric! Always learning! #yamsquad
Great insight. Interesting to compare with winning guy, he was all out for first 40 secs then settled into 1:27 pace with his stroke rate graph is almost completely flat, even when his pace dropped off in last 100m. Easier leading though I should have thought!
I think that's a great idea! Hopefully make it this week! #yamsquad
Awesome detailed analysis, love the statz and your in flight decision making analysis. PS: The thumbnail alone is worth 50k views 💥 👍
Enjoyed making this one too!! #yamsquad
A great race to watch. I believe you got to at least 5th at one point and commentator on the live feed even mentioned podium possibility !
For such a high rate you also moved around pretty well afterwards... many of us would have been on the floor lights out. Well done CB
Yeah I popped into 4th for a bit and thought 3rd was on! Not quite!
Brave moves Cam! It was a riot to watch! Thanks for the breakdown.
Thanks Graham it was a riot to take part!
Great video!! Catching up on your journey. 52 and trying to break 7 minutes on an Aviron. Not sure how that compares to the Concept 2. 7:13 is my PB as of that.
Excellent video. I did the WRIC last year in California and it definitely is hard to keep to your plan. Have done lots of other comps with no issue but the WRIC just amped everything up.
Cam - As promised, I did do some more work on using “Power” as a training tool in the same way cyclists do. Very interesting similarities and, it might / repeat might help when you look at Watts / Rate. Happy to share the ideas when the time is good for you / the channel.
Thanks Richard! Can you send an email over to contact@yamsquad.com and we can get the ball rolling! #yamsquad
Fantastic commitment throughout the piece! There's got to be a 5:45 in there somewhere, but the high rate might be a clue that all is not as good as it could be in the power phase. A few days ago when you were talking about glute activation, that sounds like thinking along the right lines, although for me it has to be sorted out on the machine and not with weights. Could be beneficial for the Yamsquad to look at your UT2 power curve, although I find it's a little misleading on the C2 display.
Good CrossFit athletes are decent to good rowers - and are good at squats for reps in addition to having a good engine. Some degree of weight training surely makes sense at the elite rowing level, I think
Good to hear the talk through. I did BRIC once and it’s quite different erging in an arena. Normally on the erg you have to psyche yourself up to train. In an arena you need to avoid deviating from race plan. It would be interesting to know what drag factor you raced with. And if you do another analysis piece again it would be good to see the drive length as well which several of the apps give you. You rate higher than most people in the top 10 so I am guessing either your drag is very low or your stroke is relatively short which is perhaps surprising given your height.
Frank Astier no you can choose whatever you think works best for you.
I don’t see how having a free choice of whatever you want can be unfair. Much more unfair if everyone has to row on the same drag which may suit some better than others.
I think BR has different standard drags for different athlete groups so the heavyweight men all use the same drag but women and lightweights use lighter drags. They’re not alone amongst national teams in having a squad drag but I think they’re on the higher side. The Aussies are lower for example.
Agreed. It was different for me to sitting on the start line at worlds too which I didn't expect. Drag factor wise I set it to 125 for this one.
Thank you, Cam - that was a very interesting an honest assessment.
When I looked at your split times on Saturday after the race I came to a similar conclusion. I'm guessing that you were looking to beat 5:50, so 1:29.5 + 1:29.5 gives you too much to do - you'd have to finish something like 1:27 + 1:24.
I was wondering why your stroke rate was so high - I compared it to others in the race. Now I know!
The one thing that confused me in my first race was the display did not show my estimated finish time - this means you have to keep a mental estimate of your elapsed time which I find difficult.
Sub 550 was the aim, along with a faster first k. I have managed 550 before with a slower first k and faster second. So it is possible!
Cam, I believe you did great for your first time at World Indoor Rowing Championships. Way to go!
Thanks Guy! I really enjoyed it! #yamsquad
I wish I was 6,10 (210 cm) am 6,0 (185 cm) 150 pounds (68kg) and I plateau at a 6:54 2k. I am in high school (primary) on the second varsity boat
You can break that plateau! #yamsquad
Hi Cameron, can you do an analysis of other competitors (winner?) to see how they performed and perhaps what their strategy was? I think comparing and contrasting would be very interesting . Keep up the good work, loving the channel. Cheers.
I want to do that soon!! #yamsquad
100% got a sub 5.50 in you at this moment in time i think. Unreal effort!. Pacing is never easy when you are in heaps of agony though, and the mind games kick in lol
I think so too Chris! We'll get there!
Great piece of analysis - fascinating. You probably have a 5.46 in you in the near future if you can get that race plan right. Keep a sensible rate and keep the length in the last minute (if I may say so).
Thanks Alan! That was the idea, will be another opportunity and know we can! #yamsquad
Hi - great job CB ! FWIW, I reckon you are spot on with your analysis. In many ways the arena is going to be a distracting environment. No matter how reasonable it seems at the race time to not row to plan ... don’t do it :) .
Thanks David! Agreed. Should have stuck to it but I was having too much fun! Realistically the score doesn't matter and if I can come away enjoying it then that's what really matters and will help on the next one! #yamsquad
Amazing pace and times! Congrats!! My best is just under 7mins and I felt like I was dying after the race
your stroke rate is so much higher than mine...I barely reach 30. I wonder what your HR monitor would have said! 😂💪💪👍👏👏👏
Did a lot of practice before this one to work at the higher rates. I did blow up though 😂 which meant I had to rate higher at the end to hold on to any pace!
HR probably maxed around 180-190. I have a 554 on the channel with all the data live 💪
Bloody quick and that though.
Hi Cameron ! Nice video !
I am a cyclist and to have a better idea of this kind of effort, is it possible to mesure the power (Watt) in rowing? And if yes, how much does it takes to reach 6 mins in 2k? Thx dude keep going
480,1W, getting higher wattages however is much easier on a spinmachine
Indeed, the display can show watts if you want. Like Thomas said 480 Watts is what is needed for a 6 minute 2k. The one I did was 512 watts avg. Hope that helps!
Cameron - you can get 10 seconds off this time IMO. Your analysis of Alexander’s race stats show this. British record in 2022 ! Keep pushing. Love the videos.
Let's go Dave! Thanks for the support! #yamsquad
might get some #yamsquad merch soon 👀
Awwwww yyeeaaahhh #yamsquad
What were the times and placings of the entire indoor championships?
InTrancedState 1:13
All of the results are on the world rowing website! There are quite a lot so can't list them all here!
Thanks for this. So interesting to see the numbers. I don't know if you have done any calculations on what you lost as your split went up at the end but I thought it might be interesting to see what difference a moderately strong/average finish would make. Watching your fantastic video I actually thought there must be live data error so rapidly did the numbers go up. 😒
Anyway I did some calculations and taking the last reading (1855 5M 25.9) you show on this video you are going to take 26.7 secs to do 145m which is a sniff under a 1.32 split. If we say you finished at your average split i.e. 1.28 you would have finished 6.5m "earlier" which at 1.28 takes just over a second.(1.13). I would look on that as a BONUS second or so to take into your next 2000. 👍
Still a great row Cameron! 😊😊😊😊
Love the calculation! I actually wanted to do that too! In theory I should have delayed the 23s and even the 24s and probably would gain even more than a seconds overall with the better pacing!! Plus a little time from the start too and we are under 50!! Excited for the next attempt! #yamsquad
@@CameronBuchan Just going to get on the Erg for an hour or so! Yes pacing is the answer and you'll be more aware of the adrenaline rush such events bring which can be good and bad! Have a good row!
Exactly! Enjoy your erg!
Of course it was a really impressive race, well done ! I think maybe the mistake you’ve made is to accelerate so fast so soon. Maybe going by stages, like every 100m of the last 500m you get 1 split faster, or 2... and just don’t burn the energy before the finish...
And yeah it would be interesting to see you analyse some big scores ! Like the big 2k of the russian winner with this first 500m in 1:22 !
Exactly like I said in the video James! Just over eager. That's a great idea! Maybe I'll do just that #yamsquad
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO USE YOUR SMART PHONE APP ?? I put my phone on the beam at my foot peddles out of the way of the slide so I can record and log it that way so maybe that way it will show your own actual pace ???
My pace was right there on the screen? We can use the app if we wanted!
2 decades ago the first strokes of a major change
like a start where always prone to be nutty...
at that point its like all the computer can handle
is the time and distance... like how later you kept
getting 69 as a kind of "no read" number --
the overall curve is what matters
awesome neg splits -- be cool to see how
it can go for you steady 1:28 for the 500 and 1000
then 1:27 to 1500 and 1:26 hauling home for sub-5:50
Agreed, just what it picks up. That's the plan on the next one, building confidence to go that fast for the first k!
Cam, I didn't see if you did already, but can you share the drag factor you chose?
I used 125 for this erg!
I have never done a 2k, but my 500m is 1:28, can anyone give me a rough estimate to what I could do?
Cameron Gray 6:40
Charlie thanks
Or 7:00. Or 7:20. 6:40 off a 1:28 is fast for most people but if you have a lot of aerobic fitness and not much power it’s possible. It really depends on your training background and physiology .
Cam - Currently on the road but will email you at the address provided in the next few hours. Lots of good data to share that I think might help training with “Power / Watts”.
No rush. Looking forward to it! #yamsquad
do you go w/ 1 breath per stroke?
it would seem so at that rating
Roughly 1 per stroke when rating that high but depending how hard I'm pushing it'll extend to 2!
Hi Cameron
It seems like you definitely have the capacity to go under 5.50 but being your first go lacked the experience. Do you think you will try keeping a longer slide and lower rate? Also race your own race and don't try compete with others.
I agree. Couple of changes will get it there. Will be easier not at a champs too. Yes, I rated too high this time. Agreed, keeping the blinkers on! #yamsquad
How can i rate higher?
Biggest thing you can do if you want to rate higher is practice!
Can I asked why you wore lifters?
I have recently switched back to them. Big part is stability they offer. Also helps not wasting energy no having heel planted!
So imo what you did at around 4min defined your outcome. Row with more discipline after 4min and you would probably have gained a couple seconds at the end.
I would agree with that. Like I said in the video the plan was to step on around the k but made another too big of a step soon after
Cameron Buchan i find it surprising that you overdid it. was the atmosphere and crowd that crazy thrilling? a man with your experience made thousands of 2ks bedore right? but dont forget, your performance was crazy good!!
@@99cya I have experience yes. But like I have said, this was my first indoor champs, the atmosphere was electric. It was much different to sitting on the start line at a world championship on the water!
the 100m splits will be cool to see
for a more tree view compared to these branches ;-)
Unfortunately this is the graph made by world rowing!
you hit the lactate wall with 100m to go, must have sucked really bad hahaha. If you are "bored" one day try a rate capped first 1500m at about 30-32 rowing full length then razz it last 500 see what happens. Easy ask from my office chair :)
Definitely some sort of wall! Yeah that would be an exciting last 500 that's for sure!
@@CameronBuchan same as 400m runners get in the last 100. If your blood pH gets to a certain level your muscles just cannot contract. Its a physiological barrier unfortunately. Some people can continue operating at higher lactate levels than others but its always a fine line on when do you start the final burst. When are you getting in a single?
You chased, never ever chase until 440m to go. At my speeds thats 360m to go. You go faster so chase from further out. But before 500m, never chase the names on the screen, just row your race.
I've went from around there before and survived so it definitely is possible! I think making the steps more consistent would help! #yamsquad
Well going the full 1'23" was epic brave. Watching the vid, I could have sworn that you were on for a medal. You did well to hold on to the end, rowing through a bang like that is horrible
#yamsquad
Hey cam today my coach decided to be evil by hitting us with a 4x10 peice where you pull your last 2k avg+ 10 watts for 30 seconds and then went down to your 6k pace+10 watts for 90 seconds. So essentialy 4x10 switching between 2k and 6k pace Last minute is an all out sprint. It's a doozie but helps immensely with pace and sprint control.
That sound horrendous! 😂