The fact that ‘Ctrl+Alt+Del’ ends the main character’s life with him pressing a red button instead of him pressing down Ctrl+Alt+Del on a keyboard both haunts and infuriated me to this day
I really like the phrase ‘incoherently honest’. The implication that our feelings are so tangled that if we were to communicate it correctly it wouldn’t be sensible or interpretable to anyone else.
I've always felt that art was a way to express our sometimes non-interpretable feelings in a non-direct manner. I'm a guitar player and aspiring professional musician. Once,while I was noodling,I had a mini mental breakdown over my fear of losing my dad,just before coming up with one of the best riffs I've written. Obviously,I associate it with my fear of losing my dad but my then bandmates didn't know that. However,the fact that they enjoyed it a lot,and even found it emotional without being able to tell why, is enough for me that they somehow got what I was expressing through that riff
I think the implication is closer to that the artist in question is so in the dark and tone deaf to their own situation that the art they create lays bare their perception and point of view in ways they don't comprehend to anyone willing to examine their art. That their lack of understanding of their own position renders them unable to create artifice or to contextualize it to match any image they wish to portray.
I remember studying about the difference between tacit knowledge, id est, the internal knowledge stored in our minds, and explicit knowledge a couple of months back. Our mind can only store representations of what we perceive, imperfect copies of an imperfect vision amalgamated to create a arcane reality that exists only inside our brain. Trying to express it to anyone is always imperfect and, using Shanon and Weaver's model, the best we can do in communication is trying to diminish the noise. We can create commonly shared definitions and explanations, then use these as basis to express ourselves. That, however, requires a minimum level of effort, education and good faith on all parts involved. It's easier to simply scream and vent out frustration, honestly or not, than trying to understand the reasons behind it to then convey it to others clearly.
Y’all wanna see some insane incoherent honesty? Look at how adults try to explain societal systems to children thru like cartoons and ya shit. Oh my god. Oh my god okay. An absolute goldmine of “oh you can’t actually have reached adulthood and think it’s okay to hold those ideas”
As a person who was never too deep into gamer culture, the use of the Room as a bridge to further explain your point was very insightful for helping me to grasp the full concept! And, as a person who experiences fear, you slithering naked and covered in slime from a comic book panel ensures that I will never forget these lessons!
"And as a person who experiences fear" kfksmgkf same. I was watching this at a Cafe at school and started looking around and covering my screen because how tf do I explain it if someone asks
The only bad thing about this masterpiece is that I have repeatedly tried to find "that really insightful hbomb vid about the room" so I could send it to someone, and couldn't find it, because it was burried inside of a flashback/alternate reality rabbit hole of a CAD video.
I genuinely kinda have NO IDEA wtf is this video about... but i understood something Some people dont want consequences for their actions. And in this case, its not even justifiable
dorito brando I think it’s the way it’s presented within the video is what makes it so good. And the fact that The Room and CAD have almost nothing in common at face value
Unfortunately, he uses all that time to basically criticize the "Us angry gamers, amirite guys!?" culture that these webcomics spread. And that's it. Video over. But... Was that what the video was about? Wasn't the entire scope of what to cover with CAD more than that? Why is the video over? I mean, you call CAD a mirror, but... meanwhile the sheer mediocrity and lack of comedic value of the comics goes untouched. And, honestly, the Gamer-Rage theme was maybe less than 1% of CAD or even Penny Arcade in the first place. They're cringeworthy due association, sure, but they're not the primary reason why the comics are bad and gather hatred and memes. Trollshielding doesn't explain why people are giving the comics so much attention in the first place, not does "OPPRESSED ANGRY GAMERS!" explain why... why the comics had so many genuine fans? And what should be our takeaway from that? The comics were just bad because they were bad and gamers like it? Nothing else? It's... Gamers like bad meta humor? That certainly can't be.... Oh... The sonic twitter, and the writting of sonic games... and... ... Perhaps the masked figure was the voice of reason all along. When you try to scrutinize something where there's nothing of worth to be found, then you will find something of worth for yourself, and aggrandize it beyond the point of value the whole had in the first place. And perhaps, that IS the point of the ending. I mean, look at it. Why is it even here. What is it trying to tell us? An infantile, raving naked madman comes out from their claimed symbol of angry gamer culture like it were a womb, and looks up, towards the seemingly living embodiment of the icon of internet depravity and insanity itself. And they cackle, manically, ready to embrace and accept the sheer lunacy of what's to come. That... That's not the rendition of someone with a grasp on reason, or someone who's just found something valuable to say or on their path to look for more. It's not a depiction of enlightenment. It's someone who went down the path of corrupted rebirth. It's a corrupted meta joke, of bad humor and bad writing itself. Its' a reflection of the people analyzing bad humor, and what they'll find themselves in. It's... me.
I never even realized until now how gross it is to use all that birth imagery when crawling out of a comic about MISCARRIAGE. The level of artistry is more noticeable on every rewatch. Truly one of the all-time UA-cam greats.
What was wrong behind the comic was the immaturity of the creator. By turning "it" off he gives up "the things of childhood" and is reborn as a grown up man to the realization that life as an adult is just another even more incomplete and ridiculous game (or that he's reborn as an even more reckless, insane and incomplete person than before).
This video forgets one part of loss that made the comic quite heinous: when Tim explained the comic, he mentions this is based on real events with an ex... an EX. yeah they never had their happy gamer marriage. Heck, Tim made it worse by admitting he pretty much didn't feel that relationship much, and the miscarriage was pretty much an excuse to dip. what a stellar character this man is.
'when asked by a noted art scholar the appropriate distance from which to stand when viewing his magnum opus, plainly entitled "Loss", Tim Buckley famously responded, "what? fuck you!" and banned me from his forum.' this is the best-written line of anything, ever
I am directly below the enemy comment I tried to think of a way to make that joke that didn’t make me call you my enemy and/or use the word scrotum. I failed. It’s 1 am. Please forgive me
Still odd to me that an old gaming webcomic has an ongoing convention that is a major part of the gaming industry And the comic itself is just odd, even amongst gaming webcomics of the time
@@Robin-jk6wz That also implies she could've gotten a lower or higher class of husband from his parent. She could've gotten a Uncommon or Superb-Legendary husband.
@@Robin-jk6wz Doesn't that mean somewhere there's people like her farming for Superb-Legendary husbands by endlessly killing hordes of mothers and throwing away lower class husbands?
At the end, when you're climbing through that comic while naked. That wasn't a tripod, someone was holding that camera. So, someone was watching you climb naked through a comic page while covered in goo. Which was probably a weird moment in their life.
Just finished it. Gotta admit I'm a bit sad this wasn't about Sonic 2. And I didn't really understand the video either. So... I don't know what to make of this.
You gotta feel bad for the girl from CTRL+ALT+DELETE, first she has a miscarriage, and then her husband mysteriously vanishes presumed dead. That's genuinely tragic.
Or that the character was born to provide a boy gamer fantasy of girl who exists just for them, to play videogames with and enjoy their body without any personal agency themselves.
"Is a vague direction of a joke that you mind remember from somewhere else". A bit off topic but that summarizes so well The Big Bang Theory's "Humor".
I hate Big Bang Theory's "humor" because it doesn't make nerd jokes. It makes tired jokes and appends "at Comic-Con" to the end. The worst part is that they have actual nerds on their writing staff; there's an episode where Sheldon is playing an emulated version of SM64 on his laptop and it uses accurate sound instead of generic bleep-bloop/Pac-Man
Unfortunately, it's very incomplete, like many more. It lacks a key element that people often ignore. Tommy Wiseau, the person, is a really abusive person, harrassing his actors, to the point that he forced himself in while they wanted to leave the movie, because it would destroy their carrier. And if you look at them now, it did. Their only work from the last decade is talking about "The Room" through books, movies, interviews, etc... Their identity now revolves entirely around this movie. It doesn't have a place in this video, so I assume that's why it was left out, but I think people should know about this when building their opinion about Wiseau and his movie
The fact that you got naked, covered yourself in... nondistinct goo, and climbed through a picture of a comic about a miscarriage, all the while having someone FILM it, shows more dedication than I’ve ever seen 10/10
@something anonymous You know, it's possible to write full sentences, or even multiple sentences, in a single comment. That might make whatever you're trying to say a bit more coherent.
You know what I just realized? In that scene, where he's being born? There is organic camera shake. It was not set on a tripod. A person was there, filming him, naked, crawling out of Loss, covered in a facsimile of uterine juices. What an absolute trooper
Whenever I rewatch this video, it's usually cause I know I've forgotten the main point of the video and the message about self-reflection and I'm like "oh I remember this now" but I NEVER REMEMBER THE LIVE BIRTH SCENE
@@thomaswinwood I think it's mainly the fact that a webcomic that's riddles with a crap load of video game references and offers nothing of interest to anyone looking beyond "haha funny game reference" suddenly decided to feature a very heavy and serious topic like a miscarriage. It's not laughing at the topic, it's laughing at how badly mishandled it is.
@@thomaswinwood I find that we laugh at dark shit like Loss because it takes away from the horrifying nature of stuff like miscarriages and death and genocide.
@@thomaswinwood it's impossible to say something like "it's funny because" since humor is so subjective, but the main draw of the humor-in-reference is the fact that a comedic gaming webcomic decided to use a miscarriage, A MISCARRIAGE, as a plot point. That is an insanely specific, deeply personal and tragic event to make happen to your cartoon character. It's the audacity of the creator to have put such an event into his silly gaming webcomic that continues to resonate with the internet.
I'm just remembering the gamers I knew when I worked at a major office supply chain and imagining how they would have reacted if you'd come into our store and asked to print out a 3' x 5' poster of loss.jpg.
As a print shop worker only recently seeing this video, I was filled with a hilarious glee at the idea of printing something so stupid in such a huge format
I can't remember if I've commented this before, but "Loss" as a single work in isolation is actually... good? As a means of wordlessly expressing an event through sequential art, while also expressing the feelings of that event, it's surprisingly successful... which then kind of makes it worse in the context of CAD overall because it's so atonally weird.
It doesn't exist in isolation, tho. The slightest bit of context - i.e., the couple of comics that came before and after it - make the entire thing just so goddamn baffling.
@@madder9166 I disagree. I find the idea that four panel comics are exclusive to comedic usage quite silly; at its base form, the four panels are simply used to set up suspense and deliver a payoff. Nearly all forms of media utilise that same scheme, so to say it is an error to use that same setup is quite frankly, silly.
I remember while I was catching up with CAD like a year or two after Loss was created, I accepted it as it was since the basic premise of the comic was to show random narratives, rather than trying to maintain a cohesive tone. I didn't find out that there was a big furor over Loss until years later, and I'm still not sure why it gets ridicule/flak to this day. Maybe I needed a dose of serious content at the time, or was just a naive media consumer, or didn't have any expectations for the comic. I don't know, I still consider it to be good art, or at least good to me.
I need to emphasize this. I'm being dead serious. This video changed how I view a lot of things. Not just on media largely disposed of by humanity but my own thoughts and how I go about expressing myself. Embrace your cringe, friends. It's okay. You don't have to be perfect to make yourself understood. You can be loved warts and all.
it's one of the good parts about getting older. Not caring about looking cool, not having to remove 'lame' media from your shelves when people come visit, not feeling shame about liking things you never would have admitted to when you're younger. I'm in my 40s and it's so goddamn freeing
I was watching Nerdsync and got a notification for Hbomberguy and opened that to watch it in another tab, and found Nerdsync in the comments. My head just exploded.
This has got to be one of my favorite video essays. The bit about The Room is such an unconventional and interesting read on a film while still being a strong argument. Also I've watched this vid at least 5 times and it just dawned on me that all the insane transitions and fourth wall breaks are meta-commentary on CAD's storytelling.
The reason it's unconventional is because it's wrong and not very good. I assume he didn't intend to but Mr. Bomberman unfortunately dives right into the empty swimming pool of victim blaming.
How the absolute Hell did you cleanly find a thematic connection between The Room and Penny Arcade/Ctrl-Alt-Del then make a REALLY poignant message about people at the same time?
Somesh Chakrabortty its simple. You blame both. You blame the culture for systemic issues, and individuals when they represent the negative traits of their culture overtly. You fight the system without giving up personal responsibility. And when people have a chance to become better and learn, yet they do not, you blame em even more
If you make broad statements and generalize everything then force your points into something while at it you end up being able to connect anything you want, shame he does this so much. He presents everything as a self-evident truth with no effort to prove anything he says at all. In fact I'll summarize his points so you can see if you agree with them after all the filler is taken out. CAD/PA/bad video game company decisions are a representation of gamer culture/games industry Tommy Wiseau is blind about his flaws., in the same way everyone is also blind to their own flaws Or to put it in a simple sentence. The flaws in our culture are an extension of our personal flaws. How he manages to stretch that out into 30+ minutes is the real miracle here.
The point of the video is to give that point, but to have the viewer come to that conclusion naturally with time to think about it during the video. Its beauty is how masterfully it shows it without outright stating "The flaws in our culture are an extension of our personal flaws.", and how the viewer can feel like it is self-evident truth, and sure it leaves everything up for debate, but it feels unnecessary after watching the video.
Arkangel630 at the end of the day it’s just his opinion on things and he’s only trying to convince others of his perspective. He only presents it where it appears to be truth because otherwise it won’t be as impactful. It’s like essays in college and high school where they told you never to say “I think” or “I feel” as just by admitting that people take your point less seriously. Of course they also say not to use pronouns such as “I” or “You” which hbomberguy does utilize, but it’s a UA-cam video so the format will be changed a bit to better catch the attention of the audience as it’s not an essay but more of a presentation.
I just realized after maybe... The twentieth? Twenty first? Time watching this, that the editing of the video is a very well done attempt to emulate the experience of following the disjointed segments of the webcomic.
@@joshthedude1 Same! I've seen the video before, and know the comic well enough, but something about that presentation gives it a grandiosity. It's almost like Harry is doing an art!
I always felt like a minority because I was there for the "Penny Arcade Good, CAD Bad" firestorm of the internet and I always thought both comics were basically the same.
The only real issue is that CAD was derivative to the point of painful and PA occasionally had good jokes that CAD never really did. Actual art quality wise and overall vibe, though, is definitely the same.
@@ThePageofCups Not even art quality is the same. Both were pretty rough round the edges early on sure but while Krahulik's art grows a lot over the years Buckley's just gets smooth and stagnant. The comics are largely assembly line pieces with characters made out of copy-pasted assets so he never has to draw anything more than once. And yeah I'm not going to criticise someone for taking shortcuts here and there but he overdoes it to the point it became a meme: B^U (look at it sideways and you've seen 90% of the facial expressions used in the comic). But yeah PA and CAD are very similar because CAD was ultimately derivative of PA, even joking that it was derivative in its very first strip. And while both were following a very similar formula PA was generally much better executed. Buckley spoiled countless punchlines because he used too many words to setup simple jokes. Not helped by his utter dedication to a 4 panel format, a lot of his comics become genuinely funnier if you cut out 1-2 of the middle panels. Finally PA had a much clearer vision of what it was. It didn't bother with continuity or character development, it was just meant to be a funny comic. Buckley on the other hand flip-flopped between that and trying to write a sitcom and it ended up being the worst of both worlds.
I'm currently being downvoted to hell on reddit because people thought I thought they were the same thing, and then when i clarified I continued to get downvoted for saying Penny Arcade ain't all that
This would have to be one of the best, and probably my favourite, hbomberguy videos, but also the LAST thing I would ever show somebody if I were trying to get them to watch this channel
Well, it has clearly become something else. A lot of people go to those conventions, and I guarantee most of them have no idea that's how it originated.
It’s so good! I mean, the whole video was an larger version of the meme. Look at what happens during it and how it was all supposed to be about sonic from the title. The entire video is the loss meme. Fucking gold
Hbomberguys magnum opus. The pinnacle of creation. The analysis that not only shows the short comings of human kind, but the shortcomings of the human mind. Nothing can ever top this, or will ever top this. Absolutely exquisite
My main problem with this video is that it completely glosses over the main element that made 'Loss' so tone-deaf and ridiculed. Whenever Buckley posted a webcomic he would write a blogpost under each one offering context on the comic. The context of 'Loss' is that it's based off a real event that happened to him and his ex-girlfriend (the entire character of Lilah is based off Buckley's ex) wherein she had an actual miscarriage and they broke up shortly afterward. Buckley wrote a rant underneath the 'Loss' comic chastising his ex for being sad about the miscarriage and telling her to 'get over it'.
Wow I looked into that and he called her a sad, depressed, sack of tears. What an asshole. Apparently he gets to decide how long a woman is supposed to be upset about a miscarriage before. She was probably upset about a hell of a lot more than that tbh if she had such an emotionally immature selfish boyfriend during that dark time.
Is this the next level of analysis videos? I'm fucking speechless. The way it eases the viewer into a conclusion that might be hard to accept otherwise is straight up brilliant.
....you guys know this is a joke right? Right? I mean look at the original "Serious Lore Analysis" video. It's clearly pointing fun at the people who look for deeper meaning than there is in video games. He brings up a lot of deep topics and themes in that video, yet none of it is actually substantiated by anything the game itself says or conveys. It is, in essence, him saying that the game says or means something without any real evidence. The game doesn't have the meaning he's ascribing to it, rather he's *giving* the game that meaning, he wants it to have that meaning and so finds ways to explain it. Just like the people who make these videos but seriously. hbomberguy's video is satire of them, showing the classical way of providing satire: taking something and playing it up to a ridiculous degree where it breaks down entirely, such as applying the kind of deep lore analysis that certain youtubers do to an incredibly narratively simplistic game like Sonic the Hedgehog. The videos are still following that trend, however each video seems to stray further from obvious satire. I suppose the fact that I even am writing this shows we've reached the point of Poe's Law. At the end of the day, I say that it's a joke, based on the original video and the fact that there's no reason to believe he would have changed the entire core focus of the video series. Rather he changed the style of it, tackling topics with deeper complexity that allow for such ridiculous theories and attempts at deriving intent and knowledge and meaning where there is none. Perhaps he imagined that by starting with a video like he did, where it was obvious, people would understand what he was doing as he moved onto topics that allowed for greater depth. It's clear that, for some people at least, he was wrong.
@@Shenaldrac It's double satire, in a sense. A lot of what he says is actually present, it's presented in that sense to be comedic, but at the end of the day, like he says here, it IS there and it IS obvious
out of everything in this video, the most shocking thing to me was the revelation that PAX was started by penny arcade- and thusly, must stand for penny arcade expo. that’s what shook me to my core.
When I heard that it was genuinely shocking. It was like Harris Bomberguy just told me my best friend had been dead for five years. It's like. Has my whole life been a lie?
Mate I genuinely love you. You changed my life for the better by teaching me how to look critically at the world and how to question narratives. I think it’s mainly you who got me off the alt right pipeline before it was too late
@damien678 I'm not this person, obviously but I have a similar experience. Back when I was around 9 - 13 I'd say, that's when I was in it, at the very least I was being influenced by far right channels. I think the "appeal" of it is that sometimes you don't get both sides, or when you do, you're only shown the bad side (stuff like the sjw stuff they'd talk about, basically saying that everyone on the left was like that ig) It is a little fuzzy and I don't know if I'm making sense, but the appeal to me, I guess was that I thought, since my biological father followed these ideologies, maybe it's the right thing? If that makes sense. It's very hard to articulate and there's lots of other things that happened to me that are a part of it. But I think it was that I was looking in the wrong places for information and not getting both sides, not usually at least. ( I was in 50/50 custody for a looong time, thankfully my mum helped me out of it) I think the appeal was people saying things in a way that SEEMED logical, when it most definitely wasn't. I was (maybe still am) easily manipulated too. Really sorry for that, I tried to explain best I could but it'd very hard to articulate coherently. Sorry for the novella of a comment
@@damien678 I should also clarify that I'm far away from it now, I'm still very ashamed of that time in my life. I've tried my best to love and care for people but u fell into that and became the opposite for a while, I hope that I've somewhat fixed it, my ideologies and morals are completely changed from then and trying to right any wrongs I did.
@@damien678the alt-right is very good at invoking fear and anger with a simplistic view of the world, clear villains to hate, and a way to feel morally superior.
@Cidney Lysander To be fair to you, PAX hasn't really had anything to do with Penny Arcade in years. They created it, but they don't organize it any more. Presumably they still make money off of it, but it has become its own thing, the same way the Child's Play charity has.
At first I was disappointed the video wasn't about Sonic 2, but then I was blown away by what followed. This is legitimately one of my favourite videos of yours. Hell, even the "joke" bit about the room could have been an amazing standalone video in its own right.
I have no complex, I am simply an honest man trying to enlighten the lesser men... Do not let my name fool you, not so good sir, I am a humble man. And thanks, Matt, I am well known for my finesse !
The fact that you went both metaphorically and literally balls-out for the re-birthing scene at the end is a beautiful, accurate, and succinct demonstration of what makes me adore this channel
That was amazing dude! As fascinating and thought provoking as it was hilarious and entertaining. I seriously think this has been one of your best videos so far, I'm blown away.
The way he explained The Room and breakups around 20:00 was my favorite. Looking through the author's lens as his distorted world view, and how we might point the finger and laugh, although the lack of awareness is something we all share. That alone could have made a decent movie. But tieing it into the parallels with CAD and gaming culture, and the impact of culture in general, as well as our tendency to quickly draw some things black and others white without seeing the overlying, more complex system, was done quite well.
I think another detail in The Room that proves that theory, is that Mark appears unaware of what he is doing at all times. Even when he has already slept with Lisa he acts like he has no idea what is going on. From 'Johnnys' point of view the guy banging his girlfriend isn't to blame, it's the girlfriend. Like, Mark is weirdly innocent the whole movie isn't he?
reyrapids63 I think Tommys very strange relationship with Greg played into the writing as well. Like he didn't want to make his best friend look bad maybe?
To be completely fair, a relationship is a kind of contract you sign with someone. You set rules for what's allowed so you can both benefit. When someone cheats they break that contract, but the person they cheat with never made one. The fault is on the person who broke the promise, ultimately. I honestly think society puts too much blame on the person one cheats with. It's the cheater's responsibility to tell their partner they can't hold up their side of the "contract" and either break up or make new terms.
@@TheVolginator yeah "whose fault was it?" is often a key point in toxic relationships. It really tells a lot about a person when you see who they target all their blame towards, and more importantly, who they decide is innocent.
SueDonym irony is what the coastal elites use to keep the good honest working man like me down humour is the hammer that strikes against the lower classes and i have had damn near enough of it thank you very much you can stick it where your own sun don't shine and leave me out of it give me sonic that's all i want
There are two sides to GG. The "boys club" gamers acting like perpetual children who throw toddler riots when they don't get what they want and are scared of women. Then actual corruption in video game journalism, factually documented and attempted to be denied and covered up by a media cabal. Both are true and not mutually exclusive.
Only Chapos and Ghazis truly believe GamerGate was about what you are implying. A Wikipedia article which quotes journalists about a movement against corrupt journalists is NOT a source either. Sorry.
What was brought to light to kick-off gamergate was a questionably incomplete story to begin with. The rallying cry of "integrity in games journalism" may have brought good faith actors in, but that doesn't erase the anger and hate that underpinned the movement. If you wanted better standards in journalism, same here, but you can want that and condemn the harassment and bigotry that was a daily occurrence for women in an entire industry.
Seriously: why are Lattes considered a drink for snobbish rich hypocrites? It's among the simplest drinks you could order at a coffee shop: just coffee with extra milk.
Thanks for making me aware of how silly that is! My humble guess is that it's one iffy stereotype that debuted on a popular tv show decades ago and snowballed its way into the collective subconscious. My little Bolshevik circle uses "cortado" as the pretentious man's drink. Why even stick with the coffee imagery? Well, we know a man who found it hiLARious that a rustic diner didn't recognize the drink. Such was his gleeful contempt that he delivered it as a joke to his drinking buddies a week later, including the man who told me. I usually just trash comments after I've thought them out, since it's pretty self-indulgent to act like my sh**ty scribbles and necroposts under the actual content matter in the least, but you've inspired me. Maybe together we can make the"corTAdo" assume the humble latte's bad rep. Or we could not judge people by the content of their cups.
“Latte” calls to mind places like Starbucks, which serve notoriously crappy and overpriced coffee with unhealthy amounts of sugar and calories, which in turn serves as an embodiment of the perversion of American capitalism.
It has several reasons but no one pointed out the fact that it's an Italian word, using non English words is usually seen as pretentious. It happens in several cultures and nations, haven't you ever heard "In this country we speak American!" rants?
Lattes are also coded as feminine (at least in American culture), and therefore bad. REAL MEN (tm) drink their coffee black, because milk is for SISSIES, or something.
I loved this video, it's really important to help people understand that the world is more complicated than good and evil. These conspiracy theories to simplify such massive socioeconomic and cultural problems into straw men or groups that you can just attack does nothing but breed ignorance and even dangerous behaviors. And if it has to be through a partially facetious review of a awkward webcomic, so be it.
Dead on, if the comic wasn't all over the place all the time.... the plots lead up, and loss itself were actually well thought out for what we got... unfortunately with the series longstanding stance of playing it dumb and fast it...
A lot of things would need to be better about that comic, but many things about it needn’t be much different. One major key would have to be self-awareness that going from video game slapstick to miscarriage was nearly as fatal a tonal shift as one could imagine, and either preparing for that or being prepared for its aftermath. But very few creators have the desire to pull such a (yes this is intentional) “Sucker Punch” on their audience, and fewer still have the skill and self-awareness to pull it off (no, Zach Snyder does not have them). But yeah, in the context of a serious drama in sequential art form, the very same wordless four panels could be very powerful were it simply drawn in a style more conducive to heartbreaking emotions.
I feel like hbomb explicitly mentions this when he says the comic manages to convey an entire journey through a hospital in four frames and no words loss itself could be a powerful moment if it were anywhere near where it needed to be published
Hbomberguy: insightful and meaningful analysis of how issues with media can relay to us a deeper meaning about the authors and the society that consumes them intertwined with an intriguing horror narrative me: hehe the the typewriter gets cut off at ‘anal’
@@nenmaster5218 Considering the right-wing have gotten only more delusional, I can safely say I am. 3 years running, still a fan. If you are pro-gay and pro-worker, you are not a fan of conservatism, flat out.
@@GimOA The idea you and Nen are disingeniously trying to imply is that people who think hbomberguy is insightful simply don't know better or are too young to understand. I refute such an argument by including myself, just as you do now. If I were to use your same logic, I would ask: Was I talking to you?
I used to be super into Ctrl+Alt+Del as a teenager and young adult and your message about people disliking it because they don't like what they see in the mirror hit me hard. Because I do hate the comic now and I do hate the angry, small minded version of me who liked those comics. I wonder what I enjoy and love now that I will someday despise and look back on as an extension of my own negative qualitites and beliefs?
Flaming Toast The entire video is misleading. Even with the new thumbnail and title, the mention of sonic 2 at the beginning and The Room later in the video are pretty different from what the video currently presents itself as. The original thumbnail and title made this video seem like it was a parody or a joke, and not a huge bait and switch.
This was so well made. I love the insertion of surrealism that helps tie together points otherwise too disparate to seem worth comparing and in doing so makes a point that would be too direct and/or preachy to say outright without said comparison. In the beginning of the “The Room” tangent I thought it was going to go nowhere but the end result is making a poignant connection between it and CAD that I clearly hadn’t thought of before. This was brilliant and I love the way you infuse personal style, insight, and comedy into your videos that make commentary that is relevant to more than the topic itself but to life at large as well. You are one of my favorite content creators, thank you for making videos because I’ve loved basically every one you’ve made.
Cad Miscarriage lesson: (I was one of his readers at the time but shortly after walked away.) It always read as him deciding 'wouldn't it be Lol if she was pregnant, how Ethan freaking out at the news and oh the drama'. Just for him after a few slapstick jokes about them as parents realising he now has to introduce a baby character, and so back-peddling quickly by just writing in a miscarriage. It never felt like this was the intended end, he just hadn't considered 'pregnancy = baby, parenthood and permanent change'. Instead was just wrapped up in 'wouldn't it be funny to imagine Ethan's reaction at the news, and the antics he'd get up to.'
I used to think Sherlock was going to be my go-to video while working and then I thought Vaccines or Pathologic might knock it off the top spot. But 12:21 will always send shivers down my spine when I hear the music reach its climax.
This was a rough one. I used to love CAD back when I discovered it in High school, and read it all the way through to the end of the Ethan storyline and a small amount afterwards before stopping to follow. The entire time I genuinely enjoyed it (right up until he dropped the ethan storyline)- and the entire time I was watching this video my brain was fighting with me, screaming that you were wrong and that the comic wasn't that bad, and that it properly handled its comedy and wasn't some bipolar amalgamation as presented. I recognize though that its just cognitive dissonance. I can't refute any of the points made here, but the fact that my mind was still trying so hard to convince me of excuses for the comics content was an eye opening experience.
You're allowed to have your own opinion. If you enjoyed it, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. (Though other peoples perspectives can inform your own).
I think it’s a rare thing. To see an adult change their mind. I need to do that more often. As I read your comment I thought to myself how often have I done that? I can think a a few times but not enough. And how often am I willing to publicly admit it? Can’t think of any. This really impressed me.
“Blaming one man for the flaws of a broken economic system is making the same mistake as blaming Tim Buckley for accurately presenting the culture in which he exists” Fuckin’ wow.
many people will just happily assume that Hbomberguy during his little segment was indeed referring to himself as an art scholar but in actuality an art scholar did say this to Tim Buckley and then in response Tim banned some internet nobody off of his forum the internet is truly an unpredictable and scary place for discussion and advice Tread with caution web surfers!
I really need to know if this is a joke or not and if not I *need* those receipts Trying to search for it on my own is just coming up with references back to this video
I unironically liked CAD a long time ago. I remember the day Tim posted Loss. It was very confusing. I continued to read the comic for several more years, well past him killing off his own characters and rebooting it. I am not a smart man. Bonus note: I also remember him posting an entire short story that was a Hunger Games ripoff of gaming and paintball because he couldn't be bothered drawing the entire thing. I remember downloading this and reading it and I have never found it again, nor seen or heard anyone ever mention it. I swear it exists, but I'm also beginning to think I hallucinated it.
Was that the story that was a special Wintereenmas present for Ethan? All of the players have specific game-related designations, I think Ethan was a Megaman sub tank. There was also a bit where he had to use the bathroom but it was a trap and he had to answer some gaming trivia about Castlevania 2 or get doused in paint. I read that story once and that was at least a decade ago. Whenever it came out. So if any of that seems familiar, you're not hallucinating. I also read it. Edit: I wrote Megaman and my phone autocorrected it to "Megan's."
I think that story may have been a Patreon thing or something of that sort, because it isn't in the webcomic itself, and I faintly remember it being intentionally separated from the web page.
they also destroy the sign by simply kicking it down. I don’t know if watching the show myself has caused my brain to degrade but i found it somewhat humorous if not cringey
@@StardustLegend The animation of the scene where he kicks the sign down was hysterical to me...it was, perhaps, the one part of the whole series that benefited from the cheap production. It was also one of two jokes across the animation that got a chuckle out of me... the other was a scene in the gym where Ethan learns that you have to work to build muscles, then continue working or else your muscles break down again, and contemplates how that sounds like a system dreamed up by Electronic Arts. I mean, the series deserves a lot of the crap it gets, but I believe in giving credit where it's due. I read more of CAD than any sane human should... mostly because I wanted to see what all the hubub was about... and it's more agressively mediocre as webcomics go than anything.
I think CAD has some great moments. ... But it may just be a question of the creator having made so many strips that some of them turn out great. It's not a comic that eventually becomes good. The creator's managed to make a lot of strips over the years, that's always something. More than I ever will. But also: if he'd had a proper editor he may not have had any strips at all, or the body of work taken as a whole might have been good.
Luiginicon Wait what. I mean its nicely presented and all, but isnt it kind of obvious? The hyper masculinity? All the women being super bitches? The sexist slock. The deification of tommy? Isnt this obvious about how he views women and breakups? I mean he wrote it. We ask these questions every time something similar comes out. Why would the room be excempt from feminism analysis?
What genuinely frustrates me isnt Jack Thompson's opinion on how video games make people violent, what frustrates me is how this Buckley person frames all gamers as childish entitled men who when agrued with or questioned resort to threats and violence. If I wasnt already into the video game medium, I would look at this comic and think that Jack Thompson is on to something and video games should be banned. Buckley wasnt helping his case in the slightest.
"this Buckley person frames all gamers as childish entitled men who when agrued with or questioned resort to threats and violence" something something gamergate
This is hbomberguy's magnum opus. One of the finest commentaries on art and games that will ever grace this medium. Sadly the commentary will remain poignant as long as gaming culture remains stupid; semper et in aeternum. At least next time we gather 'round the stake to burn another Lisa, we can count on hbomberguy to point out the impotence of our angst. Defined by behavior accessible as indulging in a cheap addictive feedback loop, gamer culture will forever be dominated by the most reductive elements of its masses, those with the most time on their hands. Reddit, Facebook, video games, all heaping mountains of shit dotted with delicious little nuggets of corn.
@@elijahmeilak2906 im not sure what you are missing, but the joke is that when he is saying "a noted art scholar" asked Buckley a question, we don't know that he is talking about himself until he reveals that he banned hbomb from his forum
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495 Yeah, I figured it out not too long after I posted the comment and felt pretty stupid. I think I was focusing too much on the “What? Fuck you.” response so I wasn’t paying attention to the change from ambiguous third person to first person. Thank you for the reply though!
The fact that ‘Ctrl+Alt+Del’ ends the main character’s life with him pressing a red button instead of him pressing down Ctrl+Alt+Del on a keyboard both haunts and infuriated me to this day
You've got to move past it, and heal.
haven't seen any red button, but I second your message
Well I hadn't thought about it til now but thanks now I won't be able to unthink that either
Spoochie it's because the creator was black
It would be too smart
I really like the phrase ‘incoherently honest’. The implication that our feelings are so tangled that if we were to communicate it correctly it wouldn’t be sensible or interpretable to anyone else.
I've always felt that art was a way to express our sometimes non-interpretable feelings in a non-direct manner.
I'm a guitar player and aspiring professional musician. Once,while I was noodling,I had a mini mental breakdown over my fear of losing my dad,just before coming up with one of the best riffs I've written. Obviously,I associate it with my fear of losing my dad but my then bandmates didn't know that. However,the fact that they enjoyed it a lot,and even found it emotional without being able to tell why, is enough for me that they somehow got what I was expressing through that riff
I think the implication is closer to that the artist in question is so in the dark and tone deaf to their own situation that the art they create lays bare their perception and point of view in ways they don't comprehend to anyone willing to examine their art. That their lack of understanding of their own position renders them unable to create artifice or to contextualize it to match any image they wish to portray.
@@TMmodify That's really interesting! I've always been astounded by how much human emotion can be packed into a work of art.
I remember studying about the difference between tacit knowledge, id est, the internal knowledge stored in our minds, and explicit knowledge a couple of months back. Our mind can only store representations of what we perceive, imperfect copies of an imperfect vision amalgamated to create a arcane reality that exists only inside our brain. Trying to express it to anyone is always imperfect and, using Shanon and Weaver's model, the best we can do in communication is trying to diminish the noise.
We can create commonly shared definitions and explanations, then use these as basis to express ourselves. That, however, requires a minimum level of effort, education and good faith on all parts involved. It's easier to simply scream and vent out frustration, honestly or not, than trying to understand the reasons behind it to then convey it to others clearly.
Y’all wanna see some insane incoherent honesty? Look at how adults try to explain societal systems to children thru like cartoons and ya shit. Oh my god. Oh my god okay. An absolute goldmine of “oh you can’t actually have reached adulthood and think it’s okay to hold those ideas”
As a person who was never too deep into gamer culture, the use of the Room as a bridge to further explain your point was very insightful for helping me to grasp the full concept! And, as a person who experiences fear, you slithering naked and covered in slime from a comic book panel ensures that I will never forget these lessons!
"And as a person who experiences fear" kfksmgkf same. I was watching this at a Cafe at school and started looking around and covering my screen because how tf do I explain it if someone asks
It's unfortunate all of the "lessons" are just garbage he pulled out of his ass that don't relate to anything in the real world
i too sometimes consider myself a person who experiences fear.
@@draconiskittensweetie9765 you look them dead in the eye and not slowly. Maybe a light whisper of "Harilton Splimby". They'll get it.
@gemstonegynoid7475 unrelated but seeing your pfp do you know that Pikamee debuted in VShojo as Henya ?
The typewriter being disrupted at "Anal" in spelling "Analysis" is great. Never change.
The only bad thing about this masterpiece is that I have repeatedly tried to find "that really insightful hbomb vid about the room" so I could send it to someone, and couldn't find it, because it was burried inside of a flashback/alternate reality rabbit hole of a CAD video.
Coward
Omg you just made me realize that end sequence was a reference to the “ending” of CAD
Oh my god this IS where I saw that lmao
I genuinely kinda have NO IDEA wtf is this video about... but i understood something
Some people dont want consequences for their actions. And in this case, its not even justifiable
@@RainbowGod666 consequences for what actions? Writing a mediocre comic?
I can't get over how well the The Room segment helps your argument about an unrelated webcomic... truly inspired and amazing editing as always
The moment he mentioned there being a "Lisa" in the video game industry, I realized the insane level of intelligence that this guy has.
It's just basic essay writing thing lol
Not saying I don't love him but making parallel s to other works is generally required in essays.
dorito brando I think it’s the way it’s presented within the video is what makes it so good. And the fact that The Room and CAD have almost nothing in common at face value
Unfortunately, he uses all that time to basically criticize the "Us angry gamers, amirite guys!?" culture that these webcomics spread.
And that's it. Video over.
But... Was that what the video was about? Wasn't the entire scope of what to cover with CAD more than that? Why is the video over?
I mean, you call CAD a mirror, but... meanwhile the sheer mediocrity and lack of comedic value of the comics goes untouched. And, honestly, the Gamer-Rage theme was maybe less than 1% of CAD or even Penny Arcade in the first place. They're cringeworthy due association, sure, but they're not the primary reason why the comics are bad and gather hatred and memes. Trollshielding doesn't explain why people are giving the comics so much attention in the first place, not does "OPPRESSED ANGRY GAMERS!" explain why... why the comics had so many genuine fans?
And what should be our takeaway from that? The comics were just bad because they were bad and gamers like it? Nothing else?
It's... Gamers like bad meta humor? That certainly can't be.... Oh... The sonic twitter, and the writting of sonic games... and...
...
Perhaps the masked figure was the voice of reason all along. When you try to scrutinize something where there's nothing of worth to be found, then you will find something of worth for yourself, and aggrandize it beyond the point of value the whole had in the first place.
And perhaps, that IS the point of the ending. I mean, look at it. Why is it even here. What is it trying to tell us? An infantile, raving naked madman comes out from their claimed symbol of angry gamer culture like it were a womb, and looks up, towards the seemingly living embodiment of the icon of internet depravity and insanity itself. And they cackle, manically, ready to embrace and accept the sheer lunacy of what's to come. That... That's not the rendition of someone with a grasp on reason, or someone who's just found something valuable to say or on their path to look for more. It's not a depiction of enlightenment. It's someone who went down the path of corrupted rebirth.
It's a corrupted meta joke, of bad humor and bad writing itself. Its' a reflection of the people analyzing bad humor, and what they'll find themselves in.
It's... me.
@@QuintaFeira12 idk what you mean. this is a video about sonic 2
I never even realized until now how gross it is to use all that birth imagery when crawling out of a comic about MISCARRIAGE. The level of artistry is more noticeable on every rewatch. Truly one of the all-time UA-cam greats.
I wish I was miscarried
He said "I must set right that which has been made wrong" before entering the comic.
What was wrong behind the comic was the immaturity of the creator. By turning "it" off he gives up "the things of childhood" and is reborn as a grown up man to the realization that life as an adult is just another even more incomplete and ridiculous game (or that he's reborn as an even more reckless, insane and incomplete person than before).
I was going to like this comment but it's exactly at 420 and I didn't want to ruin it
@@combogalis hbomberguy took loss and made it gain
This video forgets one part of loss that made the comic quite heinous: when Tim explained the comic, he mentions this is based on real events with an ex... an EX. yeah they never had their happy gamer marriage. Heck, Tim made it worse by admitting he pretty much didn't feel that relationship much, and the miscarriage was pretty much an excuse to dip.
what a stellar character this man is.
Yuck.
That can't have happened because if it had, it would be so, so terrible.
So does that make everything he said invalid?
This video didn't say Tim was insightful, he said he was a product of gamer culture as was the comic, so, no seems about par for the course.
This is a great example of 'optimism bias' :( @@Leerax
'when asked by a noted art scholar the appropriate distance from which to stand when viewing his magnum opus, plainly entitled "Loss", Tim Buckley famously responded, "what? fuck you!" and banned me from his forum.' this is the best-written line of anything, ever
"The winner will be showered with praise, and the loser will be taunted and boo'd until my throat is sore!"
Excuse me while I go put this on all my social media accounts
Seconded
Work on your taste.
@@mrosskne work on your personality.
I never would have thought to even look for the Marxist undertones in Sonic 2, Harry. Thank you for this.
Lindsay Ellis I ate the whole plate
"8 minutes ago". You and I should really go to sleep, tbh. As soon as I can unwind from "hbomber has a new video!"
I am directly below the enemy comment
I tried to think of a way to make that joke that didn’t make me call you my enemy and/or use the word scrotum. I failed. It’s 1 am. Please forgive me
You too Shmuel xD
I stayed up watching your videos, switched to his, only to find you here too 😳
This may sound embarrassing, but today was the first time I ever realized that Penny Arcade and Ctrl+Alt+Del were different things.
@@ratfromsewer6683 Woah
they are the same thing. this is what the video is about.
I just found out that PAX is penny arcade expo so there’s that
Lol - today was the first time I ever realized Ctrl+Alt+Del was a thing...
this was the first time I had heard of penny arcade and found out what PAX stands for
4 years late but still I had no idea THAT's what the PA in PAX stood for
Same here I had no idea it stemmed from penny arcade
Same wth
Still odd to me that an old gaming webcomic has an ongoing convention that is a major part of the gaming industry
And the comic itself is just odd, even amongst gaming webcomics of the time
Can you imagine the chain of events that needed to happen to create this whole ordeal? It’s incredible
I guess I'm the only one in the comments old enough to remember when Penny Arcade Expo was the primary branding
That "life dropped an epic husband" line caught me so off gaurd. I am CRYING with laughter.
Man I love Human person speak. Like how I am also Human. Hello it is me, Human.
made my eyelid twitch
Doesn't it imply that she killed his mother to make him a drop?
@@Robin-jk6wz That also implies she could've gotten a lower or higher class of husband from his parent. She could've gotten a Uncommon or Superb-Legendary husband.
@@Robin-jk6wz Doesn't that mean somewhere there's people like her farming for Superb-Legendary husbands by endlessly killing hordes of mothers and throwing away lower class husbands?
I like how you imitate CAD by doing 3 different narratives in the same video. Well played as the argument wraps itself in the end.
Didn’t even think about that, nice catch !
...oh is that what that was.
Huh.
OH
oh my god you're right now did I miss that
Fuck I did notice the split narratives but not that they were a reference to the subject itself. Or that there was a third one.
You know, after watching this like the 5th time I get genuinely excited when the music swells and the giant "loss" on the wall is revealed.
I get goosbumps everytime, I love that part !
Wtf
As someone who read neither I always thought Penny arcade and CAD were the same comic
Me too 😂
Same, I thought it was like Cyanide and Happiness where it was multiple people posting comics on the same website
@@ghouldishanimalrob was literally the only funny one
At the end, when you're climbing through that comic while naked. That wasn't a tripod, someone was holding that camera. So, someone was watching you climb naked through a comic page while covered in goo. Which was probably a weird moment in their life.
Now if that ain't in someone bucket list 2 months on, I'd be legitimately disappointed.
It’s times like those when you know who your real friends are.
Yeah, he's released the BTS on Patreon, it gets weirder there.
I was just scrolling through the comments, *w h y m y p p h a r d* .
Oh no
I'm ten minutes into this and I'm starting to think this isn't about Sonic.
Just finished it. Gotta admit I'm a bit sad this wasn't about Sonic 2. And I didn't really understand the video either. So... I don't know what to make of this.
This video is trying to be meta by giving Serious Lore Analysis its own serious lore to analyze.
stwbmc98 Uhm...I feel kinda stupid now because I'm more confused than ever. I'm not even sure what Meta is.
met·a: (of a creative work) referring to itself or to the conventions of its genre; self-referential.
stwbmc98 Oh. I think I'm just stupid.
I don't remember this episode of Evangelion
Loss of Evangelion
You gotta feel bad for the girl from CTRL+ALT+DELETE, first she has a miscarriage, and then her husband mysteriously vanishes presumed dead. That's genuinely tragic.
Not just a husband. An epic husband that was the rarest of the loot table.
@@bobafettjr85 Now she has to farm for another one
@@GamingWithHajimemes what a casual. i got that shit on farm. i'm greeding husbands and vendoring them.
Or that the character was born to provide a boy gamer fantasy of girl who exists just for them, to play videogames with and enjoy their body without any personal agency themselves.
@@cattysplat really??! I thought she was real for a moment there
"Is a vague direction of a joke that you mind remember from somewhere else". A bit off topic but that summarizes so well The Big Bang Theory's "Humor".
I hate Big Bang Theory's "humor" because it doesn't make nerd jokes. It makes tired jokes and appends "at Comic-Con" to the end.
The worst part is that they have actual nerds on their writing staff; there's an episode where Sheldon is playing an emulated version of SM64 on his laptop and it uses accurate sound instead of generic bleep-bloop/Pac-Man
@@sirGuy1995 Also how did that slip by Nintendo? Did they shell out royalties for that show?
bazinga
Now laugh
@@communisttrash8590 I think you'll find you've spelt *botswana* wrong
A lot of bad comedy is like that. Just look at "the movie" movies
Your room review is unironically the best one I've ever seen.
Appalachiosaurus22 I thought the same!
I second this.
ironically it is much more watchable than the movie, too.
Unfortunately, it's very incomplete, like many more. It lacks a key element that people often ignore. Tommy Wiseau, the person, is a really abusive person, harrassing his actors, to the point that he forced himself in while they wanted to leave the movie, because it would destroy their carrier. And if you look at them now, it did. Their only work from the last decade is talking about "The Room" through books, movies, interviews, etc... Their identity now revolves entirely around this movie.
It doesn't have a place in this video, so I assume that's why it was left out, but I think people should know about this when building their opinion about Wiseau and his movie
Eh it hinges on an assumption that the movie wasnt just poorly written and is based on a life experience. Big leap of faith IMO
The fact that you got naked, covered yourself in... nondistinct goo, and climbed through a picture of a comic about a miscarriage, all the while having someone FILM it, shows more dedication than I’ve ever seen 10/10
it was truly great XD
he wasn't totally naked he had on gamer underwear
@Adam Filinovich that's actually just a really shit tanline x''D
He was the baby she couldn't have
They got to see his noodle
harris has ruined my marriage. my wife cringed so hard at the dramatic reading of Gamer Girl's wedding vows that she can no longer have sex.
In a way it was like your own personal Loss.
She had a hard time reading the comic and had severe amounts of Loss in brain function, making her unable to consent
@@Zom-bye A true gamer doesn't require consent
@@ExtraVictory Only true gamers can beat prison
I am reading this before watching the video what the fuck
A guy called Hareton Splimby just managed to meaningfully connect The Room, CAD, PA, and underlying issues with the industry as a whole. Holy shit.
he also climbed out of a printing of loss buck naked and embraced his gay romance with hbombsonic
What are you talking about? This was clearly about _Sonic The Hedgehog 2._
Also Sonic and David Lynch.
Shame that he ended it with weird conspiracy theories about EA.
@something anonymous You know, it's possible to write full sentences, or even multiple sentences, in a single comment. That might make whatever you're trying to say a bit more coherent.
- I hate birth imagery.
"hbomberguy Bloodborne Is Genius, And Here's Why" - 2016
Why here?
It's ilegal yknow?
Harris is the Orphan of Kos pass it on
You know what I just realized? In that scene, where he's being born? There is organic camera shake. It was not set on a tripod. A person was there, filming him, naked, crawling out of Loss, covered in a facsimile of uterine juices. What an absolute trooper
@@Michoss9 holy fucking shit
Your thumbnail makes me want to read 8-bit theatre again
"Life dropped an epic hbomberguy, the rarest of its loot table, and we were lucky enough to win the need roll."
i absolutely hate you for reminding me of that godawful pic. her FACE looks SO BAD
pls delete
Whenever I rewatch this video, it's usually cause I know I've forgotten the main point of the video and the message about self-reflection and I'm like "oh I remember this now" but I NEVER REMEMBER THE LIVE BIRTH SCENE
The WHAT
NOOOO WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH MY EYESSS💀💀💀
HUH
WHAT THE FUCK
@@GiGitterudo you hate the video now?
@@yourlocalarchaeologist1897are you mad?
Loss: A wildly out of place bit of excellent visual storytelling that would have worked if created for a work with a more consistent tone
it's so baffling because it conveys what it wants to so well, in 4 images, with NO DIALOGUE.... YET IT'S IN A FUCKING *GAMING WEB COMIC*
Yeah people really hate art with tone problems
@@allyli1718 the art equivalent of a gorilla on a unicycle, wearing clown makeup, shooting into an anonymous crowd
@@feature.of.jarjar24 That sounds awesome to me lol.
@@allyli1718 - "Yeah people really hate art with tone problems"
I'm losing to a bird!
My favorite genre is review horror
oh man
if you unironically do, check out brutalmoose's Televoid series (assuming you haven't already)
Same - weirdly enough the Onion also did a review horror series. It is a genre??
And Board James but televoid is the best one
@@athomassen3980 Ooh, what was the series called?
Imagine being Tim Buckley. You spent years making jokes, yet your biggest contribution to comedy is when you decided to be serious.
@@thomaswinwood I think it's mainly the fact that a webcomic that's riddles with a crap load of video game references and offers nothing of interest to anyone looking beyond "haha funny game reference" suddenly decided to feature a very heavy and serious topic like a miscarriage. It's not laughing at the topic, it's laughing at how badly mishandled it is.
@@thomaswinwood I find that we laugh at dark shit like Loss because it takes away from the horrifying nature of stuff like miscarriages and death and genocide.
@@thomaswinwood I think it's funny because it's dumb
And I am thinking about a universe where he decided to continue being serious.
Like imagine Loss being a jumpstart for some more insightfull comic.
@@thomaswinwood it's impossible to say something like "it's funny because" since humor is so subjective, but the main draw of the humor-in-reference is the fact that a comedic gaming webcomic decided to use a miscarriage, A MISCARRIAGE, as a plot point. That is an insanely specific, deeply personal and tragic event to make happen to your cartoon character. It's the audacity of the creator to have put such an event into his silly gaming webcomic that continues to resonate with the internet.
I had to drop a like just because this man got all oiled up just to be birthed from Lost.jpg. He earned it.
it's a shame he didn't wait for it to rain
Earned it from who, TheAmazingBlackStar? Fucking Aquaman?!
I'm just remembering the gamers I knew when I worked at a major office supply chain and imagining how they would have reacted if you'd come into our store and asked to print out a 3' x 5' poster of loss.jpg.
As a print shop worker only recently seeing this video, I was filled with a hilarious glee at the idea of printing something so stupid in such a huge format
I can't remember if I've commented this before, but "Loss" as a single work in isolation is actually... good? As a means of wordlessly expressing an event through sequential art, while also expressing the feelings of that event, it's surprisingly successful... which then kind of makes it worse in the context of CAD overall because it's so atonally weird.
It doesn't exist in isolation, tho. The slightest bit of context - i.e., the couple of comics that came before and after it - make the entire thing just so goddamn baffling.
@@thegreatmoof i think that's the same point they're making
@@madder9166 I disagree. I find the idea that four panel comics are exclusive to comedic usage quite silly; at its base form, the four panels are simply used to set up suspense and deliver a payoff.
Nearly all forms of media utilise that same scheme, so to say it is an error to use that same setup is quite frankly, silly.
Cerebus issue #36, man.
The Night Before.
I remember while I was catching up with CAD like a year or two after Loss was created, I accepted it as it was since the basic premise of the comic was to show random narratives, rather than trying to maintain a cohesive tone. I didn't find out that there was a big furor over Loss until years later, and I'm still not sure why it gets ridicule/flak to this day. Maybe I needed a dose of serious content at the time, or was just a naive media consumer, or didn't have any expectations for the comic. I don't know, I still consider it to be good art, or at least good to me.
the HBomberguy Extended Universe is looking great yall
I wanna like this comment but it's at 420 already ....
I need to emphasize this.
I'm being dead serious.
This video changed how I view a lot of things. Not just on media largely disposed of by humanity but my own thoughts and how I go about expressing myself.
Embrace your cringe, friends. It's okay. You don't have to be perfect to make yourself understood. You can be loved warts and all.
Oh good, for some reason, people believe cringe is the root of all evil
That wasn't really what the video was about.
@@salmon-stan that's why the commenter said they were emphasizing this
it's one of the good parts about getting older. Not caring about looking cool, not having to remove 'lame' media from your shelves when people come visit, not feeling shame about liking things you never would have admitted to when you're younger. I'm in my 40s and it's so goddamn freeing
I’ve never played a Sonic game. Is this what it’s like?
This is exactly what it's like, and it's glorious.
I was watching Nerdsync and got a notification for Hbomberguy and opened that to watch it in another tab, and found Nerdsync in the comments. My head just exploded.
It's the prequel to Avatar.
What is even going on.
Pretty closelas
This has got to be one of my favorite video essays. The bit about The Room is such an unconventional and interesting read on a film while still being a strong argument. Also I've watched this vid at least 5 times and it just dawned on me that all the insane transitions and fourth wall breaks are meta-commentary on CAD's storytelling.
Thank you for this comment
Yes, me too. It's on my list of favorites.
The reason it's unconventional is because it's wrong and not very good. I assume he didn't intend to but Mr. Bomberman unfortunately dives right into the empty swimming pool of victim blaming.
I dont know why I legit thought his name was Harriton Splimby after watching this. I guess I'm just prepared for british people to have weird names
Engelbert Humperdinck is the weirdest British name I've seen in real life.
StNick119 is that for real ?
@@authenticbaguette6673 yes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(singer)
Cubedeck Productions nice
@@authenticbaguette6673 Plus this Englebert dude is alive and is a person of modern day not the Victorian era which makes this even funnier
14:41 - You can feel the female VA physically struggling to hold back laughter here.
How the absolute Hell did you cleanly find a thematic connection between The Room and Penny Arcade/Ctrl-Alt-Del then make a REALLY poignant message about people at the same time?
Cosplaybuddygiraffes art reflects our culture is a poignant message? I like the guy but come on
Somesh Chakrabortty its simple. You blame both. You blame the culture for systemic issues, and individuals when they represent the negative traits of their culture overtly. You fight the system without giving up personal responsibility. And when people have a chance to become better and learn, yet they do not, you blame em even more
If you make broad statements and generalize everything then force your points into something while at it you end up being able to connect anything you want, shame he does this so much.
He presents everything as a self-evident truth with no effort to prove anything he says at all.
In fact I'll summarize his points so you can see if you agree with them after all the filler is taken out.
CAD/PA/bad video game company decisions are a representation of gamer culture/games industry
Tommy Wiseau is blind about his flaws., in the same way everyone is also blind to their own flaws
Or to put it in a simple sentence.
The flaws in our culture are an extension of our personal flaws.
How he manages to stretch that out into 30+ minutes is the real miracle here.
The point of the video is to give that point, but to have the viewer come to that conclusion naturally with time to think about it during the video. Its beauty is how masterfully it shows it without outright stating "The flaws in our culture are an extension of our personal flaws.", and how the viewer can feel like it is self-evident truth, and sure it leaves everything up for debate, but it feels unnecessary after watching the video.
Arkangel630 at the end of the day it’s just his opinion on things and he’s only trying to convince others of his perspective. He only presents it where it appears to be truth because otherwise it won’t be as impactful. It’s like essays in college and high school where they told you never to say “I think” or “I feel” as just by admitting that people take your point less seriously. Of course they also say not to use pronouns such as “I” or “You” which hbomberguy does utilize, but it’s a UA-cam video so the format will be changed a bit to better catch the attention of the audience as it’s not an essay but more of a presentation.
I just realized after maybe... The twentieth? Twenty first? Time watching this, that the editing of the video is a very well done attempt to emulate the experience of following the disjointed segments of the webcomic.
OH.
AH
OH GOD I SEE IT NOW
Wait wasn't that the point?
holy crap i was wondering what was up with the disjointed nature of the video and the pretty much nonsense woods scenes. that explains it quite welll.
I thought this video was fucking cringe until i read this comment lmfao
The reveal of Loss was probably the best thing ever.
but he destroyed it :-( *sniff*
It cracks me up i've rewatched that part many times to listen to the joke about him getting banned from the forum.
I dead ass got chills from that reveal. My whole body started tingling. Truly a sight to behold. An unforgettable legend.
@@joshthedude1 Same! I've seen the video before, and know the comic well enough, but something about that presentation gives it a grandiosity. It's almost like Harry is doing an art!
But what about the pipe strip?
I always felt like a minority because I was there for the "Penny Arcade Good, CAD Bad" firestorm of the internet and I always thought both comics were basically the same.
The only real issue is that CAD was derivative to the point of painful and PA occasionally had good jokes that CAD never really did. Actual art quality wise and overall vibe, though, is definitely the same.
@@ThePageofCups Not even art quality is the same. Both were pretty rough round the edges early on sure but while Krahulik's art grows a lot over the years Buckley's just gets smooth and stagnant. The comics are largely assembly line pieces with characters made out of copy-pasted assets so he never has to draw anything more than once. And yeah I'm not going to criticise someone for taking shortcuts here and there but he overdoes it to the point it became a meme: B^U (look at it sideways and you've seen 90% of the facial expressions used in the comic). But yeah PA and CAD are very similar because CAD was ultimately derivative of PA, even joking that it was derivative in its very first strip. And while both were following a very similar formula PA was generally much better executed. Buckley spoiled countless punchlines because he used too many words to setup simple jokes. Not helped by his utter dedication to a 4 panel format, a lot of his comics become genuinely funnier if you cut out 1-2 of the middle panels. Finally PA had a much clearer vision of what it was. It didn't bother with continuity or character development, it was just meant to be a funny comic. Buckley on the other hand flip-flopped between that and trying to write a sitcom and it ended up being the worst of both worlds.
@@rejusu86302024 update: HE FINALLY BEAT THE B^U ALLEGATIONS LET'S GOOOOO 🎉🎉🎉
I'm currently being downvoted to hell on reddit because people thought I thought they were the same thing, and then when i clarified I continued to get downvoted for saying Penny Arcade ain't all that
See, I missed out on 2000s Internet culture despite being the right age for it; I'm equally unfamiliar with both
This would have to be one of the best, and probably my favourite, hbomberguy videos, but also the LAST thing I would ever show somebody if I were trying to get them to watch this channel
LOL this is my second time ever watching a video of his, it definitely twisted my head around a few times but eventually I got it sorted!
This is actually my first video from this channel.
I never realised that PAX was a Penny Arcade eXpo...
Am I an idiot?
Yes
i never did either
always just saw it as some sort of generic convention
Well, it has clearly become something else. A lot of people go to those conventions, and I guarantee most of them have no idea that's how it originated.
It officially rebranded as just PAX back in, like, 2012 or so.
I'd never heard of Penny Arcade before watching this video
I really want that giant loss print. Maybe not one with the greased up Harris bomberguy inside it though
Coward
That’s the top Patreon tier
Your loss
@@GreekDudeYiannis no it’s hbomb’s
He comes with the package.
The idea of someone’s very own Lisa is so interesting to me, and the way it succinctly puts a concept with wide implications is incredible
You literally turned the loss.jpg meme inside out. You showed the *actual* comic, in full detail, on a loftier medium. You *up* rezzed it. I LOVE THIS
demency I wanted so bad to buy that fucking print, before he destroyed it
It’s so good! I mean, the whole video was an larger version of the meme. Look at what happens during it and how it was all supposed to be about sonic from the title. The entire video is the loss meme. Fucking gold
Beedarswasd He did not destroy it. It was uplifted, then thrown down and vaseline-ed.
Hbomberguys magnum opus. The pinnacle of creation. The analysis that not only shows the short comings of human kind, but the shortcomings of the human mind. Nothing can ever top this, or will ever top this. Absolutely exquisite
Have seen his feature film on why Sherlock is so bad?
*dk stream has entered the chat*
fun fact about CAD: it's so much more funny when you remove the two panels in the middle to create a brief scene of incredible, immediate escalation
You also gotta remove the words from the last panel
such as: "cereal strike is bullshit
I hate it"
Your honor League of legends
@@_Tzer
death
My main problem with this video is that it completely glosses over the main element that made 'Loss' so tone-deaf and ridiculed. Whenever Buckley posted a webcomic he would write a blogpost under each one offering context on the comic.
The context of 'Loss' is that it's based off a real event that happened to him and his ex-girlfriend (the entire character of Lilah is based off Buckley's ex) wherein she had an actual miscarriage and they broke up shortly afterward. Buckley wrote a rant underneath the 'Loss' comic chastising his ex for being sad about the miscarriage and telling her to 'get over it'.
Holy shit I never knew this
Wow I looked into that and he called her a sad, depressed, sack of tears. What an asshole. Apparently he gets to decide how long a woman is supposed to be upset about a miscarriage before. She was probably upset about a hell of a lot more than that tbh if she had such an emotionally immature selfish boyfriend during that dark time.
If you read the blogpost, he says nothing of the sort
@@dane9027 You didnt know it, cause it isnt true
@@akhardwicke alright then tell me the truth
I'm fascinated to no end by this mysterious space you film in, which is equal parts a gran's living room and a derelict garage
keeponrockin every englander has their own ‘dusty grimshack’ handed down to them by their gran
lmaooooooo my son said "dusty grimshack"
I personally love how he has such easy and convenient access to a forest that he now uses it in almost every vid.
Is this the next level of analysis videos? I'm fucking speechless. The way it eases the viewer into a conclusion that might be hard to accept otherwise is straight up brilliant.
the mark of a truly great essayist!
This video is 1000x better than it has any right to be. A freakin masterpiece!
is this loss?
Molonidas hawaian algo k
....you guys know this is a joke right? Right? I mean look at the original "Serious Lore Analysis" video. It's clearly pointing fun at the people who look for deeper meaning than there is in video games. He brings up a lot of deep topics and themes in that video, yet none of it is actually substantiated by anything the game itself says or conveys. It is, in essence, him saying that the game says or means something without any real evidence. The game doesn't have the meaning he's ascribing to it, rather he's *giving* the game that meaning, he wants it to have that meaning and so finds ways to explain it. Just like the people who make these videos but seriously. hbomberguy's video is satire of them, showing the classical way of providing satire: taking something and playing it up to a ridiculous degree where it breaks down entirely, such as applying the kind of deep lore analysis that certain youtubers do to an incredibly narratively simplistic game like Sonic the Hedgehog.
The videos are still following that trend, however each video seems to stray further from obvious satire. I suppose the fact that I even am writing this shows we've reached the point of Poe's Law. At the end of the day, I say that it's a joke, based on the original video and the fact that there's no reason to believe he would have changed the entire core focus of the video series. Rather he changed the style of it, tackling topics with deeper complexity that allow for such ridiculous theories and attempts at deriving intent and knowledge and meaning where there is none. Perhaps he imagined that by starting with a video like he did, where it was obvious, people would understand what he was doing as he moved onto topics that allowed for greater depth. It's clear that, for some people at least, he was wrong.
@@Shenaldrac It's double satire, in a sense. A lot of what he says is actually present, it's presented in that sense to be comedic, but at the end of the day, like he says here, it IS there and it IS obvious
out of everything in this video, the most shocking thing to me was the revelation that PAX was started by penny arcade- and thusly, must stand for penny arcade expo. that’s what shook me to my core.
When I heard that it was genuinely shocking. It was like Harris Bomberguy just told me my best friend had been dead for five years. It's like. Has my whole life been a lie?
Mate I genuinely love you. You changed my life for the better by teaching me how to look critically at the world and how to question narratives. I think it’s mainly you who got me off the alt right pipeline before it was too late
If you don't mind me asking, what was appealing about the alt-right to you at that time in your life? Not trying to judge, I'm honestly pretty curious
@damien678 I'm not this person, obviously but I have a similar experience. Back when I was around 9 - 13 I'd say, that's when I was in it, at the very least I was being influenced by far right channels. I think the "appeal" of it is that sometimes you don't get both sides, or when you do, you're only shown the bad side (stuff like the sjw stuff they'd talk about, basically saying that everyone on the left was like that ig)
It is a little fuzzy and I don't know if I'm making sense, but the appeal to me, I guess was that I thought, since my biological father followed these ideologies, maybe it's the right thing? If that makes sense. It's very hard to articulate and there's lots of other things that happened to me that are a part of it. But I think it was that I was looking in the wrong places for information and not getting both sides, not usually at least. ( I was in 50/50 custody for a looong time, thankfully my mum helped me out of it)
I think the appeal was people saying things in a way that SEEMED logical, when it most definitely wasn't. I was (maybe still am) easily manipulated too.
Really sorry for that, I tried to explain best I could but it'd very hard to articulate coherently. Sorry for the novella of a comment
@@damien678 I should also clarify that I'm far away from it now, I'm still very ashamed of that time in my life. I've tried my best to love and care for people but u fell into that and became the opposite for a while, I hope that I've somewhat fixed it, my ideologies and morals are completely changed from then and trying to right any wrongs I did.
Something tells me you traded one tribe for another. Does that make you feel better? Will you need psychiatric help if Trump wins 2024?
@@damien678the alt-right is very good at invoking fear and anger with a simplistic view of the world, clear villains to hate, and a way to feel morally superior.
was anyone gonna tell me that PAX is a Penny Arcade con, or did I just have to learn it from this video myself?
... that's what Pax is?? Wow..
Penny arcade EXPO
@Cidney Lysander To be fair to you, PAX hasn't really had anything to do with Penny Arcade in years. They created it, but they don't organize it any more. Presumably they still make money off of it, but it has become its own thing, the same way the Child's Play charity has.
Enthusiastic amateurs are allowed to build markets, but once established, the ‘experts’ move in.
@@essidus Which has also been publicly their goal with the whole thing.
At first I was disappointed the video wasn't about Sonic 2, but then I was blown away by what followed. This is legitimately one of my favourite videos of yours. Hell, even the "joke" bit about the room could have been an amazing standalone video in its own right.
I can't even tell if this is a joke reply lmao
I stil can't tell. Well played.
I'm starting to think "The Demigod" has a certain complex, but I can't quite put my finger on which one...
I have no complex, I am simply an honest man trying to enlighten the lesser men... Do not let my name fool you, not so good sir, I am a humble man.
And thanks, Matt, I am well known for my finesse !
L E S S E R M E N
fun fact, hbomberguy now lives deep within the woods of Wales, suffering without his beloved lattes
Sad!😔
Was he Welsh all along or did he just move
@@drawingsticks5333 he's from Yorkshire
Legend has it that hes still out there, swinging a fake axe at random lost hikers, mumbling about being in the woods at night
@@stalfithrildi5366 Wikipedia says that as well.
What is the original source, however?
The fact that you went both metaphorically and literally balls-out for the re-birthing scene at the end is a beautiful, accurate, and succinct demonstration of what makes me adore this channel
That was amazing dude! As fascinating and thought provoking as it was hilarious and entertaining. I seriously think this has been one of your best videos so far, I'm blown away.
Nitro Rad Nitro Rad! Yes!
Nitro Rad holy shit one of my favourite youtubers watches my other favourite youtuber?????? This is Wild!!!
hey nr
Yeah, that was quite the trip - even ignoring the intentionally misleading title and the weird ending.
The way he explained The Room and breakups around 20:00 was my favorite.
Looking through the author's lens as his distorted world view, and how we might point the finger and laugh, although the lack of awareness is something we all share.
That alone could have made a decent movie.
But tieing it into the parallels with CAD and gaming culture, and the impact of culture in general, as well as our tendency to quickly draw some things black and others white without seeing the overlying, more complex system, was done quite well.
Your characterisation of the Gaming Communites hate of CAD reminds me of Contrapoints recent description of in-group cringe.
This is an excellent review of Metal Gear Solid 2.
Keith Ballard
ARRR METAL GEARRRRR!
ExCUSE me, this is clearly a review of Battletoads.
the joke is you didnt get what you were told but in turn you get an experience possibly far greater instead
Keith Ballard what, no it’s clearly a review of Sargon of Akkad super cool video game
How dare you.
Have you ever taken hallucinogenic mushrooms? Because this is a really *really* accurate depiction of a bad trip.
@Wylder Watkins wtf??
Mushroom users try not to mention mushrooms literally everywhere challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
@@boonsaplenty3924 bold of you to assume that I was trying!
I think another detail in The Room that proves that theory, is that Mark appears unaware of what he is doing at all times. Even when he has already slept with Lisa he acts like he has no idea what is going on. From 'Johnnys' point of view the guy banging his girlfriend isn't to blame, it's the girlfriend. Like, Mark is weirdly innocent the whole movie isn't he?
reyrapids63 I think Tommys very strange relationship with Greg played into the writing as well. Like he didn't want to make his best friend look bad maybe?
To be completely fair, a relationship is a kind of contract you sign with someone. You set rules for what's allowed so you can both benefit. When someone cheats they break that contract, but the person they cheat with never made one. The fault is on the person who broke the promise, ultimately. I honestly think society puts too much blame on the person one cheats with. It's the cheater's responsibility to tell their partner they can't hold up their side of the "contract" and either break up or make new terms.
Ellie I see you point but it changes when that person is supposed to be a best friend. I think then some blame should be lodged to that person
@@TheVolginator yeah "whose fault was it?" is often a key point in toxic relationships. It really tells a lot about a person when you see who they target all their blame towards, and more importantly, who they decide is innocent.
reyrapids63 can we just agree that Tommy is the greatest person on earth, and everybody betray him?
It took me this long to realize the scene where HBomb says goodbye to video games was spoofing Ethan’s death. Dang.
Oh I've only just now realized this and i watched this video when it first came out
Thanks, my friend needed a clarification
God
It wasnt exactly subtle. He used the exact same words and shots.
@@theavatar4668 but who read that
That was like analytical whiplash. Who knew Sonic had so much going on beneath the surface.
this video wasn't about sonic at all stupid i swear to god you people are trying to be dumb
upvote for funnies
pendulousphallus It's called a joke, fool.
SueDonym irony is what the coastal elites use to keep the good honest working man like me down humour is the hammer that strikes against the lower classes and i have had damn near enough of it thank you very much you can stick it where your own sun don't shine and leave me out of it give me sonic that's all i want
What?
This is the best video about what GamerGate was really about, why it was and still is problematic, etc. without ever using the words "GamerGate".
Ironic.
There are two sides to GG. The "boys club" gamers acting like perpetual children who throw toddler riots when they don't get what they want and are scared of women. Then actual corruption in video game journalism, factually documented and attempted to be denied and covered up by a media cabal. Both are true and not mutually exclusive.
... this is a video about... GamerGate?
Great, the meltdown i posted in the comments now makes both more and less sense than before- FUCK
Only Chapos and Ghazis truly believe GamerGate was about what you are implying. A Wikipedia article which quotes journalists about a movement against corrupt journalists is NOT a source either. Sorry.
What was brought to light to kick-off gamergate was a questionably incomplete story to begin with. The rallying cry of "integrity in games journalism" may have brought good faith actors in, but that doesn't erase the anger and hate that underpinned the movement. If you wanted better standards in journalism, same here, but you can want that and condemn the harassment and bigotry that was a daily occurrence for women in an entire industry.
Seriously: why are Lattes considered a drink for snobbish rich hypocrites? It's among the simplest drinks you could order at a coffee shop: just coffee with extra milk.
Thanks for making me aware of how silly that is! My humble guess is that it's one iffy stereotype that debuted on a popular tv show decades ago and snowballed its way into the collective subconscious. My little Bolshevik circle uses "cortado" as the pretentious man's drink. Why even stick with the coffee imagery? Well, we know a man who found it hiLARious that a rustic diner didn't recognize the drink. Such was his gleeful contempt that he delivered it as a joke to his drinking buddies a week later, including the man who told me.
I usually just trash comments after I've thought them out, since it's pretty self-indulgent to act like my sh**ty scribbles and necroposts under the actual content matter in the least, but you've inspired me. Maybe together we can make the"corTAdo" assume the humble latte's bad rep. Or we could not judge people by the content of their cups.
“Latte” calls to mind places like Starbucks, which serve notoriously crappy and overpriced coffee with unhealthy amounts of sugar and calories, which in turn serves as an embodiment of the perversion of American capitalism.
In my state from Brasil, Minas gerais, latte is like the most popular drink after water, a real drink of the proletariat
It has several reasons but no one pointed out the fact that it's an Italian word, using non English words is usually seen as pretentious. It happens in several cultures and nations, haven't you ever heard "In this country we speak American!" rants?
Lattes are also coded as feminine (at least in American culture), and therefore bad. REAL MEN (tm) drink their coffee black, because milk is for SISSIES, or something.
Brilliant "The Room" analysis. Bravo (-Rousselet)
5secondfilms Please come back, we miss you
Oh holy shit I just saw this and love it
I loved this video, it's really important to help people understand that the world is more complicated than good and evil.
These conspiracy theories to simplify such massive socioeconomic and cultural problems into straw men or groups that you can just attack does nothing but breed ignorance and even dangerous behaviors.
And if it has to be through a partially facetious review of a awkward webcomic, so be it.
What a time to be alive huh ?
I am fully convinced that when the entity talks to him in the woods, they are reading actual comments that hbomberguy has received
I was thinking the same thing
The one where they talk about Mario Bros level 1-1 teaching you to play the game is almost certainly a real yt comment. 😅
You know I can't stop thinking: if 'Loss' was in an appropriate comic, it really could be really strong moment. I am serious.
I think if a similar comic were done by another artist in another project it’d be much better emotionally
Dead on, if the comic wasn't all over the place all the time.... the plots lead up, and loss itself were actually well thought out for what we got... unfortunately with the series longstanding stance of playing it dumb and fast it...
A lot of things would need to be better about that comic, but many things about it needn’t be much different. One major key would have to be self-awareness that going from video game slapstick to miscarriage was nearly as fatal a tonal shift as one could imagine, and either preparing for that or being prepared for its aftermath. But very few creators have the desire to pull such a (yes this is intentional) “Sucker Punch” on their audience, and fewer still have the skill and self-awareness to pull it off (no, Zach Snyder does not have them). But yeah, in the context of a serious drama in sequential art form, the very same wordless four panels could be very powerful were it simply drawn in a style more conducive to heartbreaking emotions.
Yaaaaa
I feel like hbomb explicitly mentions this when he says the comic manages to convey an entire journey through a hospital in four frames and no words
loss itself could be a powerful moment if it were anywhere near where it needed to be published
Hbomberguy: insightful and meaningful analysis of how issues with media can relay to us a deeper meaning about the authors and the society that consumes them intertwined with an intriguing horror narrative
me: hehe the the typewriter gets cut off at ‘anal’
Deep Analysis.mtg
I kept expecting it to cut back to the typewriter with a piece of paper saying "Serious Anal" on it
@@nenmaster5218 Considering the right-wing have gotten only more delusional, I can safely say I am. 3 years running, still a fan. If you are pro-gay and pro-worker, you are not a fan of conservatism, flat out.
@@Able542 not going too political here, but the real question here was are you EnvyDragon and still watch this channel tho?
@@GimOA The idea you and Nen are disingeniously trying to imply is that people who think hbomberguy is insightful simply don't know better or are too young to understand.
I refute such an argument by including myself, just as you do now.
If I were to use your same logic, I would ask:
Was I talking to you?
This video had a better storyline than most Hollywood movies.
No, it really didn't. You would hate this in a big-budget movie. That's what they are called, by the way. Big-budget movies.
Neo. I would love it, actually.
Well this video has systematically explained why I should no longer find the CEO of EA and shoot him in the chest. Thanks Hbomberguy.
Um AAA films?
Okay, maybe it wouldn't be suitable as a movie, but it's a far better documentary than anything to come out of the History Channel recently.
I used to be super into Ctrl+Alt+Del as a teenager and young adult and your message about people disliking it because they don't like what they see in the mirror hit me hard. Because I do hate the comic now and I do hate the angry, small minded version of me who liked those comics. I wonder what I enjoy and love now that I will someday despise and look back on as an extension of my own negative qualitites and beliefs?
This will always be "IS SONIC 2 ABOUT CAPITALISM!?!?!" in my heart
Zacc Never thought I’d say something so counter intuitive, but: I’m legitimately incredibly upset he changed the title to be less confusing.
Yes... Yes! YES!!!
@Harrison Darby Probably had to change it because UA-cam has a rule now against titles/thumbnails of videos being misleading.
Zacc >Harris falls off his bycycle< “Ugh! Curse you, Capitalism!”
Flaming Toast The entire video is misleading. Even with the new thumbnail and title, the mention of sonic 2 at the beginning and The Room later in the video are pretty different from what the video currently presents itself as. The original thumbnail and title made this video seem like it was a parody or a joke, and not a huge bait and switch.
This video is really hard to follow, but it's super rewarding when you do. So what I'm saying is this is the Dark Souls of internet think pieces.
Hey, just an excuse to watch it for the 5th time, right?
This video is how I found out that PAX is short for Penny Arcade Expo and wow. Just wow.
I’m still laughing at the fact that Harrison would have had to try to pay for CAD Premium to get the warning.
It's not a very important warning though
If ever a video title did NOT prepare me for the content...
This was so well made. I love the insertion of surrealism that helps tie together points otherwise too disparate to seem worth comparing and in doing so makes a point that would be too direct and/or preachy to say outright without said comparison. In the beginning of the “The Room” tangent I thought it was going to go nowhere but the end result is making a poignant connection between it and CAD that I clearly hadn’t thought of before. This was brilliant and I love the way you infuse personal style, insight, and comedy into your videos that make commentary that is relevant to more than the topic itself but to life at large as well. You are one of my favorite content creators, thank you for making videos because I’ve loved basically every one you’ve made.
For real, hats off to Patricia Taxxon. This music, especially the track at 28:23, is incredible.
Wait a second, they used her music?
@@xevenwood6553 it says her deadname in the credits so yes
I still don't understand why she hasn't probably blown up...
@@xevenwood6553 yeah! she made the whole soundtrack for this video!
I would like to congratulate Tommy Tallarico for creating the Ctrl. + Alt. + Del. webcomic. His mother must be very proud.
Cad Miscarriage lesson: (I was one of his readers at the time but shortly after walked away.)
It always read as him deciding 'wouldn't it be Lol if she was pregnant, how Ethan freaking out at the news and oh the drama'. Just for him after a few slapstick jokes about them as parents realising he now has to introduce a baby character, and so back-peddling quickly by just writing in a miscarriage. It never felt like this was the intended end, he just hadn't considered 'pregnancy = baby, parenthood and permanent change'. Instead was just wrapped up in 'wouldn't it be funny to imagine Ethan's reaction at the news, and the antics he'd get up to.'
The day I've most anticipated, and yet, the day I've most feared, has finally arrived. Thank you, Hareton.
EDIT: I got served.
The Geek Critique fancy seeing you here. Big fan :)
Thank you! And also: WOO! HAPPY END!
Oh sweet, the geek critique, I’m a huge fan
Glad to see you got baited so hard, considering your love of sonic 2 lol
There I made it 666 likes for you! Bwahahaha!
Don't Analyze Me, I'm Scared.
Heh, anal-yze, I get it
I used to think Sherlock was going to be my go-to video while working and then I thought Vaccines or Pathologic might knock it off the top spot. But 12:21 will always send shivers down my spine when I hear the music reach its climax.
This was a rough one. I used to love CAD back when I discovered it in High school, and read it all the way through to the end of the Ethan storyline and a small amount afterwards before stopping to follow. The entire time I genuinely enjoyed it (right up until he dropped the ethan storyline)- and the entire time I was watching this video my brain was fighting with me, screaming that you were wrong and that the comic wasn't that bad, and that it properly handled its comedy and wasn't some bipolar amalgamation as presented. I recognize though that its just cognitive dissonance. I can't refute any of the points made here, but the fact that my mind was still trying so hard to convince me of excuses for the comics content was an eye opening experience.
You're allowed to have your own opinion. If you enjoyed it, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. (Though other peoples perspectives can inform your own).
I think it’s a rare thing. To see an adult change their mind. I need to do that more often. As I read your comment I thought to myself how often have I done that? I can think a a few times but not enough. And how often am I willing to publicly admit it? Can’t think of any. This really impressed me.
I think we all probably have some pretty terrible webcomics we enjoyed during high school
@@chaos.corner I agree. Especially with media we liked as kids and teens before we were able to actually understand their themes and subtext.
Same except I used to read PA. I was somewhat confused since CAD was exceedingly similar to PA. My brain is now wrecked but I understand the UNIVERSE.
“Blaming one man for the flaws of a broken economic system is making the same mistake as blaming Tim Buckley for accurately presenting the culture in which he exists”
Fuckin’ wow.
Surely a government making more decisions for us, or a complete lack thereof, can fix this problem without any others coming into place!
This comment is the closest to summing up my thoughts on this video. A year late and a dollar short: holy shit!
@@hahasamian8010 someone hasn't heard of democratic rule of the people anarchism
@@drakep.5857 Do you mean to say "a complete lack thereof" (lack of any government) is your solution? Your message is unclear
@@hahasamian8010 anarchism is not a complete lack of law and order dum dum
many people will just happily assume that Hbomberguy during his little segment was indeed referring to himself as an art scholar
but in actuality an art scholar did say this to Tim Buckley and then in response Tim banned some internet nobody off of his forum
the internet is truly an unpredictable and scary place for discussion and advice
Tread with caution web surfers!
WHAT
I really need to know if this is a joke or not and if not I *need* those receipts
Trying to search for it on my own is just coming up with references back to this video
@@sprightlyoaf9583 welp there is your info
I unironically liked CAD a long time ago. I remember the day Tim posted Loss. It was very confusing.
I continued to read the comic for several more years, well past him killing off his own characters and rebooting it.
I am not a smart man.
Bonus note: I also remember him posting an entire short story that was a Hunger Games ripoff of gaming and paintball because he couldn't be bothered drawing the entire thing. I remember downloading this and reading it and I have never found it again, nor seen or heard anyone ever mention it. I swear it exists, but I'm also beginning to think I hallucinated it.
I hope ya find it
Was that the story that was a special Wintereenmas present for Ethan? All of the players have specific game-related designations, I think Ethan was a Megaman sub tank. There was also a bit where he had to use the bathroom but it was a trap and he had to answer some gaming trivia about Castlevania 2 or get doused in paint.
I read that story once and that was at least a decade ago. Whenever it came out. So if any of that seems familiar, you're not hallucinating. I also read it.
Edit: I wrote Megaman and my phone autocorrected it to "Megan's."
And yet, you have self-reflected. You have succeeded where most great men have failed.
I am so proud of you.
I think that story may have been a Patreon thing or something of that sort, because it isn't in the webcomic itself, and I faintly remember it being intentionally separated from the web page.
I have read that story! There was something about... a maze, maybe? God it's hazy
I'm starting to recognize every guest voice on lefttube without even checking
"The death star is a sign that just says video games are bad"
Oh come on, you have to give them a little credit. That's kinda funny.
they also destroy the sign by simply kicking it down. I don’t know if watching the show myself has caused my brain to degrade but i found it somewhat humorous if not cringey
@@StardustLegend The animation of the scene where he kicks the sign down was hysterical to me...it was, perhaps, the one part of the whole series that benefited from the cheap production. It was also one of two jokes across the animation that got a chuckle out of me... the other was a scene in the gym where Ethan learns that you have to work to build muscles, then continue working or else your muscles break down again, and contemplates how that sounds like a system dreamed up by Electronic Arts.
I mean, the series deserves a lot of the crap it gets, but I believe in giving credit where it's due. I read more of CAD than any sane human should... mostly because I wanted to see what all the hubub was about... and it's more agressively mediocre as webcomics go than anything.
I think CAD has some great moments.
... But it may just be a question of the creator having made so many strips that some of them turn out great. It's not a comic that eventually becomes good. The creator's managed to make a lot of strips over the years, that's always something. More than I ever will. But also: if he'd had a proper editor he may not have had any strips at all, or the body of work taken as a whole might have been good.
The long, sort of janky name they gave the sign made me think that the name was gonna have a funny acronym, but then it didn’t. Wasted potential lol
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...
You used The Room to make an actual point about how we are as a culture?
How...you...how...
I love you.
Luiginicon Wait what. I mean its nicely presented and all, but isnt it kind of obvious? The hyper masculinity? All the women being super bitches? The sexist slock. The deification of tommy? Isnt this obvious about how he views women and breakups? I mean he wrote it. We ask these questions every time something similar comes out. Why would the room be excempt from feminism analysis?
What genuinely frustrates me isnt Jack Thompson's opinion on how video games make people violent, what frustrates me is how this Buckley person frames all gamers as childish entitled men who when agrued with or questioned resort to threats and violence. If I wasnt already into the video game medium, I would look at this comic and think that Jack Thompson is on to something and video games should be banned. Buckley wasnt helping his case in the slightest.
"this Buckley person frames all gamers as childish entitled men who when agrued with or questioned resort to threats and violence" something something gamergate
This is God tier hbomber holy shit
I know hot damn UA-cam masterpiece!!!!! Sets a high ass bar
This is hbomberguy's magnum opus. One of the finest commentaries on art and games that will ever grace this medium. Sadly the commentary will remain poignant as long as gaming culture remains stupid; semper et in aeternum. At least next time we gather 'round the stake to burn another Lisa, we can count on hbomberguy to point out the impotence of our angst. Defined by behavior accessible as indulging in a cheap addictive feedback loop, gamer culture will forever be dominated by the most reductive elements of its masses, those with the most time on their hands. Reddit, Facebook, video games, all heaping mountains of shit dotted with delicious little nuggets of corn.
bro ur repeating the cycle, turning ur hatred towards this particular community. hating people just like they do.
and still no ads lol
i mean, i was making a joke about how the video inexplicably has no adverts despite having nothing that should prevent it from having them, but, ok.
"What? Fuck you" is unironically the funniest response to anything ever 12:45
The setup for that joke should be studied for future generations
Hbomb nooo D:
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495Can you explain what’s so funny about it? I feel like I’m missing something.
@@elijahmeilak2906 im not sure what you are missing, but the joke is that when he is saying "a noted art scholar" asked Buckley a question, we don't know that he is talking about himself until he reveals that he banned hbomb from his forum
@@glowcloudwheatproducts495 Yeah, I figured it out not too long after I posted the comment and felt pretty stupid. I think I was focusing too much on the “What? Fuck you.” response so I wasn’t paying attention to the change from ambiguous third person to first person. Thank you for the reply though!
bringing back that early 2000s video trend of reviewers being attacked by their evil doppelgangers
This really is faithful to the AVGN genre
sometimes i forget british people exist, then I see harry's power outlets