Problems with Theology of the Body | Ask Father with Fr. Michael Rodríguez
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A very wise meditation. Thank you, Fr. I couldn't put my finger on why I didn't want this for my children. Many people should heed this teaching.
Pope John Paul was, I think, deceitful.
About time, thank you, Father.
All Catholics should know that the body is a Temple of The Holy Spirit and this in itself should be enough to understand what we should do regarding our own body and those of others , it's so simple and yet we humans will always look for loopholes and exceptions to what we know , deep down is right.
Thank you for these wise and truthful words.
St Augustine's treatises on Marriage and Virginity were the standard for Catholic teaching prior to TOB, echoed by Aquinas and the pre-VII catechisms. He approaches it from the perspective that all our actions, especially reproduction, were tainted by the fall. He makes the most sense to me 1,600 years later, but is mocked by the TOB crowd.
Thank you Fr. For explaining and clarity. The distinction of doctrine and meditations.
God protect you and keep you🙏🕊
Thank you Father Michael.
Thank you, father! You have clarified so many confusions for me over the last year! God Bless you!! ❤
Pray for my son Salvador quiroz and I we are at the hospital with covid. Please keeps us in your prayers Evelia castellanos
Adding both of you in my prayers.
Praying you both recovered! 🙏
Thank you very much, Father Michael. I listened to your sermons on the Detachment From the World through Sensus Fidelium. Sadly, I cannot find anymore a TLM in my place (Cebu City, Philippines). I am watching your videos to learn more about tradtitional teachings of the Catholic Church.
Father, I would like to ask about the Divine Mercy.
Thank you for your question which we will submit for response in our Ask Father video series. In the meantime we note that in spite of the fact that the Divine Mercy devotion is highly endorsed by present-day Church authorities, and is even fairly popular among traditional Catholics, nevertheless it is also true that these supposed revelations and the associated devotions are held in suspicion by many trustworthy Catholic sources (we would say, with good reason). In fact, in 1959, the Divine Mercy devotion was condemned by the Holy Office. (See volume 51, page 271 of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis in which the distribution of this image and the spreading of the writings of Sr. Faustina were forbidden. www.vatican.va/archive/aas/documents/AAS-51-1959-ocr.pdf)
What could be wrong or dangerous about such a devotion? Msgr. Patrick Perez writes at length about this topic. (www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm) We would stress these things:
First, regarding the image: It is very instructive to consider the original image painted under Sr. Faustina’s direction (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Divina_Misericordia_(Eugeniusz_Kazimirowski,_1934).jpg), in which we see that none of Our Lord’s wounds are visible. His side and feet are strangely covered, and even His hands (which are exposed) appear without wounds! We recall from the lives of the saints that it was precisely this aspect of a diabolic manifestation (in which the devil attempted to delude St. Martin of Tours by appearing as if he were Our Lord, but without the wounds of the crucifixion) by which the saint recognized the devil’s ploy.
Second, regarding the red and white rays of light (which everyone agrees must represent the Blood and water which flowed from Our Lord's side when His Sacred Heart was pierced) -- we must ask, why mere rays of light rather than the depiction of actual blood and water? In the pivotal apparition of our time, of unquestionable authenticity, in Tuy, Spain, in 1929, when Our Lady of Fatima made Her formal request for the Consecration of Russia - very near to the time of these supposed apparitions to Sr. Faustina - there was a vivid demonstration of Our Lord’s Precious Blood (dripping from His face and from the wound in His side, running over the Host and into the Chalice) and the water representing the Graces and Mercy which Our Lord merited for us by His Passion, flowing over the altar in crystal letters. We have here in the Divine Mercy image another inexplicable retreat from a clear manifestation of Our Lord’s glorious Passion and Death, by which the devil’s power over mankind was shattered.
It is also very remarkable that these rays have no visible source. Why are they not depicted as coming from His Heart? From the time of the 17th Century when Our Lord revealed His Sacred Heart to St. Margaret Mary, Our Lord's expressed will has been more and more explicit about the reparation and devotion that He seeks toward both His Own Sacred Heart and Our Lady's Immaculate Heart. His express desire is that the explicit images of these Hearts be displayed and honored in public places and in private homes. And He has said that this trajectory established by the arduous and lengthy work of the apostles of His Sacred Heart is to continue through the long-awaited time of Our Lady's Triumph when His Church places the devotion to the Immaculate Heart alongside the devotion to His Sacred Heart (see Sr. Lucy's May 18, 1936 letter to her confessor, cited in The Whole Truth about Fatima, vol. II, p. 631). It is really amazing that a 20th-century apparition would reverse this course and leave His Heart covered, especially when that Heart's image is naturally called for as the source of those bizarre rays.
Finally, regarding the prayers of the devotion: While the invocations may be unobjectionable in themselves, we fear that they have been catastrophic in the omission which they have occasioned. That is, there can be no doubt that for many people, the Mercy Devotion has, practically speaking, served to eviscerate the practice of the Marian devotions that Heaven has so urgently recommended for our preservation. For some people, no doubt, the Mercy Devotion has been adopted in addition to the Rosary, but for a great many it has replaced the recitation of the Rosary.
What a shame that people have often gone so far as to pick up their Rosary beads (which Padre Pio referred to as our best weapon against the errors and dangers of our time), only to be diverted from using it in the way that Heaven intends and so richly rewards. And this at a time when everything -- the preservation of our lives and the salvation of many souls, likely including our own -- depends on our application to the devotions requested by Our Lady of Fatima. As Sister Lucy told Father Fuentes, “The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary, to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families, of the families of the world, or of the religious communities, or even of the life of peoples and nations, that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary we will save ourselves, we will sanctify ourselves, we will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls."
Given, then, that the Divine Mercy apparitions and devotions are at best a distraction from the crucial Fatima revelation and devotions, and that they may well be of demonic origin, we suggest that you have nothing to do with them. God bless you.
@nicole flores Thank you very much, Nicole.
Fr Chazel from the Marian Corps is near there. I believe. From Ireland 🇮🇪
@@robertryan2542 Thank you very much, Robert. I already contacted them. I just made my chapel veil yesterday to prepare for the Sunday mass.
@@robertryan2542 Thank you very much, Robert. I just attented the TLM by the priest you recommended.
Wow! Father is right on! Thank you, Father!🙏🙏😇😇
I’ve seen a few of these videos shooting down TOB now, and it is very clear to me in all cases that those who are shooting it down have not studied it AT ALL. If they were to pull out some specific aspects and refuted them, then I might put some weight to these objections…but it clear to me they see “body” and get scared.
Hi from Germany! Illuminating! Even saints make mistakes!
Amen Jesus We Trust In You South Africa
Theology of the Body teachings have changed my life and provided way more clarification than ever before. Never have I ever respected life, marriage and sexuality than I did prior to learning about this beautiful teaching. There is a lot of confusion nowadays because this topic was not deeply studied like how it is today. Christopher Wests’ book “Good News about Sex and Marriage” has the Nihil obstat and Imprimatur stamp by the way.
Really? It destroyed my marriage.
Or at least ideas represented as consistent with TotB destroyed my marriage. There are lay “evangelists” who go around the US giving talks in parishes who say that porn and s€x toys are acceptable within marriage etc. It is destructive and introduces lust into marriage. My spouse left the Church as a result and then left me.
@@rosezingleman5007 Thank you very much for sharing this comment.
@@rosezingleman5007 and porn is part of the devil's lures. How shameful of them to do such a thing! Then to talk about the other items. It's just not necessary to have that garbage in a relationship. Nowadays, you see these items in regular catalogs. Children can see them, for crying out loud! Just breaks my heart.
@@rosezingleman5007 What? But where does the TotB teach that watching p€rn is okay and that using s€x toys is acceptable? You should directly give quotation when making such an accusation of a teaching (especially when the Catechism of the same Pope John Paul II qualifies, for example, p€rn as a great evil... and as of the use of s€x toys, these are condemned as contrary to nature, independently of the closeness to a natural act, because such a use is independent of the natural act; and as such, it was condemned by Humanæ Vitæ of Saint Paul VI in which he says "each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life" the use of such a thing (s€ xtoys) having no relationship to the procreation of human life, it is condemned as evil).
Theology of the body is promoting porn and sex toys ?!?!
I've seen some videos from theology of the body which included staying away from porn.
I highly doubt they'd be promoting sex toys.
Thank you, Father
Oh man..my whole parish got taught this
IRONICALLY, I'VE NEVER READ THEOLOGY OF THE BODY.....THANKFULLY
Give it a read, you will be better off knowing how sacred our bodies are!
@@anthonycddb Is there a book on this?
Amen Jesus I Trust In You🙏. Thank you Father for explaining so much change from my childhood Lord Jesus Son Of David Have Mercy On Me🙏🙏🙏
What should Catholic couples who are struggling with infertility make of our marriages? Is this a punishment, a curse? Any advice is appreciated
It is considered to be a cross to bear. I have heard that asking for the intercession of St. Anne, mother of the Holy Virgin Mary, is a great saint to implore. Ask her to ask the Lord to grant you the favor of fertility. I hope this helps. St. Anne and St. Joachim were infertile for years before the conception of the Holy Virgin.
Plenty of Saints (including those in the Bible) had this problem. We're they being punished?
Thank you for your question which we will submit for response in our Ask Father video series. God bless you.
@@TheFatimaCenter Thank you so much.
Maybe it is neither. Perhaps it is a call to deeper trust & maybe a call to fostering or adopting children. Or perhaps it is a call to be physically parentless and to serve the kingdom in some other manner. Keep praying the rosary together and the answer will arise in God's Providence. Peace.
One of my favorite priests
Excellent Father thank you Praise Be Jesus Viva Christo Rey 🕊🙏😇👱♀️💖
Please fix the audio before posting; best foot forward,when evangelizing!
Thank God i never read that book. I only knew NFP.
We need to go back to pre 1955 and then there will be no confusion!
Amen! Deus Vult ✝️🙏🏼
Before 1955, purity was taught only for women. Men were ignorant of their own purity, especially their own virginity.
Father,
If we stop at “mutual good of the spouses” without defining what that mutual good is and then just leaving it up to us married folk to figure it out, then I would agree with you. So, the question is: What does Theology of the Body/St. JP2 say is the mutual good of the spouses?” I think that would be a good thing to know.
Thank you for your question which we will submit for response in our Ask Father video series. God bless you.
Thank you for this video, Father. Do you or anyone know of a good method I could use of teaching the birds and the bees and chastity to my kids without Theology of the body? What ethos did the church use before TOTB came out?
NFP says procreation not primary. TOB exists to legitimize NFP.
So I read it twice. I agree it seemed weird. Even the interpretations by Chris I felt awkward listening to that series. So can we get a response to the TOB in light of tradition. I would love a conference or book that responds to it in a way that teaches the truth.
Thank you for your comment. Here are some resources which you may find helpful. God bless you.
Article (including footnotes) by Ann Marie Temple, "John Paul II and the Genesis of Confusion" sspx.org/en/theology-of-the-body-genesis-of-confusion
Book by Don Pietro Leone, "The Family under Attack"
- available online here:
www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Family_under_attack_leone.pdf
- key excerpts here:
onepeterfive.com/the-family-under-attack/
Dr Rodriguez - could you please be so kind and provide the name of the you mentioned? Blessings
Thank you for your interest. At 3:40 Father Rodriguez recommends the book "The Family under Attack" by Don Pietro Leone, available online here:
www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Family_under_attack_leone.pdf
Sound would be better with a small microphone.
But thank you, Padre! I've never read it but it's always recommended
Hard for me to hear him.
Dear Father, this might be off of today's topic, but I've always wondered about the authority of Herod. I always believed that only the Roman authorities, for example, Pilate, could only administer the death sentence. If so, how did Herod have the authority to kill the infants when Christ was born? As well, why is it that his son, Herod needed Pilot's permission to kill Jesus, but yet he saw fit to behead John the Baptist? Any historical clarification would be appreciated.
They were 2 different Herod's. father and son.
@@graymann7762 Yes, but the nature of each Herod’s authority over death sentences would be interesting to learn about
Thank you for your question which we will submit for response in our Ask Father video series. God bless you.
In defense of Theology of the Body, if what you’re saying is that this is considered modernist because it lists the ends of marriage without ranking them, then the Roman Catechism and the Catechism of Pius X are also modernist, because they also do not rank them. In fact, these “trad” works list the mutual good of the spouses before procreation because they made no attempt to rank them. This does not mean that it isn’t Catholic teaching that procreation is number 1, because it is, and I think even St. John Paul the Great believed that. It simply means that some works like those trad catechisms, and Theology of the Body find it sufficient to list them without ranking them for the sake of brevity, since you can find the more specific teaching in the encyclicals that address the issue directly. Careful Fr. I’m afraid your argument jumps the gun, and proves too much. God bless you!
Good response.
Yes, and he doesn't really refute the TOB in this video. It took forever to get to the point. It just seems like this is medieval trad fear, ironically supposing that the traditions the Church have always taught weren't revolutionary... st. Augustine St. Thomas Aquinad were faaaar out man
The devil wants to destroy the hierarchies within inside. The apostasy comes from top ( pope) to bottom.
Absolutely nothing supersedes Church dogma, teaching, and sacred traditions, not even the Pope! Anybody that teaches against that or proclaims a new “modern” theology of the Church is anathema according to Pope Pius V!
Did jp2 really teach that the priamary n secondary end of marriage can be of equal priorities?
Yes he did. However, the top 2 are very extremely important. The New Catechism and Code of Canon Law actually grants mutual assistance over anything else. (I know there’s no guarantee of having kids even amongst those doing the right thing...) Part 3 that Father mentions here isn’t even discussed anymore.
Father, if I have absolutely no TLM on Sunday, but I do have a NO, what should I do? Avoid NO at all costs?
Thank you for your question which we will submit for response in our Ask Father video series. In the meantime we note that the Society of St. Pius X's website offers advice about what can be done to sanctify Sundays and Holy Days when a traditional Mass is not available. God bless you.
sspx.org/en/news-events/news/new-video-no-obligation-attend-new-mass-9818
It is irrational, a contradiction in terms, to posit that there can be two primary purposes in marriage. Primary means one, not two.
Hello Father..How can we send our questions to you
You can submit them here in the comment section of any of our videos. God bless you.
If the primary reason for marriage is the procreation of children and their formation, what does that say about couples who can not conceive?
Thank you for your question. Such couples have a natural right to marry in spite of sterility, or the mere inability to procreate (as in older couples), which is not the same thing as impotency, and is not an impediment to marriage. (Cf. Code of Canon Law, can. 1084, #3; McHugh and Callan, Moral Theology: A Complete Course, #2814) God bless you.
Fr theology of the body is extremely useful, I think theology of the body is what the world needs along with trad masses. It’s better than purity culture which I believe you are trying to push in saying that sex is bad bad bad all the time. Purity culture is dangerous, also the modern culture is dangerous, however theology of the body teaches catholics to see the body as gift to see sexual intercourse as a gift commited in marriage for the creation and unity of husband and wife for the increase of love and for the glory of Gods church by bringing in more souls to his heavenly kingdom, now NFP yes is debatable, it can be used only if the woman is at risk of illnesses or for good holy legitimate reasons it can’t be thrown about like, it must be valid concern, like can’t be ohh well just use NFP to use each others body etc, instead it must be rooted in the possibility of yes if god wills to create a life here so be it.
I'm not sure I understand. You are to believe in sanctity of your body and virginity not so much because of how/what you felt about it, but because its right, its holy, we are to deny ourselves. While there are things to appreciate about the TOB approach, it seems like people are basically like "I don't like how the church is teaching this. Tell me in a different way that makes me feel nice" when plenty of what it says was sort of like "duh" if you had the intellectual curiosity about the church.
@@carlosesturain3831 well my opinion on theology of the body it gave me a greter understanding of God and his creation, a greater love for his commandments, a greater understanding of the gospel, and the scriptures, actually I don’t really care if you believe it or not, rad trads think everything is bad that’s new ohh divine mercy be ware, or luminous mysteries of the rosary, or Tob. It’s as if they are so narrow minded living in the Stone Age. TOB reveals why errors such as homosexuality, contraception are evil, so I don’t see it as worshipping my body or etc, I see it as respecting what God has made Good, I have a responsibility to protect marriage and the unborn as it reveals the nature of God which is creation, he creates it’s not black and white rules like rads see, it gives you the reason for the rules, and develops a greater love for the sacraments, in fact TOB has led me to a greater love of the Eucharist a greater love of receiving him worthily, so importance of Confession pre communion, and also importance of receiving the body of Christ on the tongue. The devil destroys humanity because he couldn’t fathom that God the father was a humble being, even tho he had so much power, he couldn’t fathom how God wanted to become fully human and God that God would become low, Abortion is wrong because in every person, the image of the father is their, that’s why the devil wants abortion, similar to gay unions it’s the inversion of What God has made, God has made marriage as a way in which we are unified with him, like holy orders Etc, it’s about developing a relationship with him believing the Gospel. The rad trads are just very that bad ohh that’s bad a bit like the Pharisees are unable to see that God has instructed theology of the Body, is their issues with some TOB writers yes perhaps they interpret it wrong but it can be used to strengthen the church, if done correctly
What a ridiculous video: he clearly did not even study the subject properly