Unreleased Star Wars: The Clone Wars Arc - Crystal Crisis on Utapau (Full)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Star Wars: The Clone Wars, The Crystal Crisis Arc (Full)
00:00 Episode 1 "A Death on Utapau"
21:49 Episode 2 "In Search of the Crystal"
42:48 Episode 3 "Crystal Crisis"
1:04:11 Episode 4 "The Big Bang"
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00:00 Episode 1 "A Death on Utapau"
21:49 Episode 2 "In Search of the Crystal"
42:48 Episode 3 "Crystal Crisis"
1:04:11 Episode 4 "The Big Bang"
The first episode shows exactly why Anakin wasn’t granted the rank of Master
I don't see why this arc wasn't added into the final season they could easily have put it in.
I agree. I'm half convinced that Obi-Wan abstained during Ahsoka's trial. While he may have believed in her innocence, there wasn't enough evidence to prove it. He had precedence given what happened when Satine came to Coruscant to assert Mandalore's neutrality, but someone edited the Prime Minister's message. He would have wanted to have more time to conduct a more thorough investigation.
Probably in tales of the jedi
This could’ve been part of season 7 giving us 16 episodes and the story order would be Crystal Crisis On Utapau Ahsoka’s Walkabout then The Bad Batch and then of course The Siege Of Mandalore
@@Code1Lyoko Definitely agree. Should have occurred after Ahsoka leaves Coriscant.
@@ytafan4068 no I mean Crystal Crisis arc comes before Ahsoka’s Walkabout
Somehow it being unfinished makes it immensely funnier
cause it looks like one of those dank videos without the computerized voice overs
it makes it like a million times funnier
@@Traysuke You mean a Pamtri video?
I get it. I wish we saw it finished but somehow watching this in its unfinished state makes me laugh.
The story is great but I was laughing when Anakin and Obi-Wan were moving and they were just sliding on the ground 😂🤣
"That's no mound, that's a spaceship." They had so much fun with this one.
Probably
I still remember when everyone was allowed to have fun
These are so good.. I can't believe they haven't finished these.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days MiLLiONZ OF YEARZ AGO HUH
[NOT YELLiNG, JUZT LiKE TYPiNG iN CAPZ]
@@TYKZY.BRANX._TEEK.SEE.BRANCH. lol I understand
Such an important arc especially in terms of Anakin & Obi-Wans relationship. They are dumb for not just adding this to season 7.
They are, but we got Siege of Mandalore. A small price to pay my friend.
@@nerdsw2197 yes but we also got spice dumping girls. I'd say crystals are better than spice.
@@JIKwood agreed
@@JIKwood Son of Dathomir should have replaced that Jar Jar and Windu Arc. At least we have the comic and to be fair, the show could have gotten so much worse.
Man, as technology gets better and better each year, I have a gut feeling the fans will get a team together someday and finish this entire Arc in its deserved entirety.
I fucking hope man. You see what fans can do with the yet-to-be-released fan animation Tukk Tales, which looks just as good as CW S7/Bad Batch/Tales of the Jedi
@@calebcustombricks2631 Exactly man. Especially with Hello There Animation’s Anakin VS Obi-Wan CW styled video that’s SUPPOSEDLY to be coming out in December which is honestly one of my hyped for Fan projects along with Tukk Tales. If the fans were to indeed complete the Crystal Crisis arc in its entirety though, I’d see a struggle with voice actors but I would assume they would already have that covered. Unless Matt Lanter, James Arnold Taylor or even Matthew Wood wants to voice lines but I feel like sadly that would unfortunately be out of the fans jurisdiction because of Disney.
@@Mark-ek8md we already have all of the voice lines and sound though... only thing to finish is the animation
@@calebcustombricks2631 Ah, wasn’t even thinking about that, LOL. Honestly with a little tweaking around with the lines that were all said here it should come out perfectly.
The dub is done. The animation need to be fixed and it would be done.
This perfectly encapsulates the pristine quality of Matt Lanter's and James Arnold Taylor's performances! I nearly forgot that these were unfinished. It's a solid arc filled with miniature nods to the original trilogy. It's a shame it never made it to season, but I am more than grateful I had the opportunity to watch what could have been here. After all, it's the story that matters most!
Stereotypes
Never forget that these and every other episode was uncaringly left unfinished. What we could’ve gotten looks much better than what we were given.
Altho they're unfinished, it's still really good in general. This is a perfect example of why the story should come first. It does look a bit uncanny with ripped open shoulders and speaking with no facial expressions, but it can easily get the message across.
29:40 Oh my god we finally know which button turns the saber on. My entire life I thought it was the rectangular one near the bottom. The fact this arc was scrapped is outrageous, it's unfair!
Take a seat @Buckethead
But then Rey messes it up and pushes the big twisty knob on the other side to turn it on smh 🤦♂️
he murdered
Take a seat young skywalker
Honestly I don’t understand anymore the red knob the red button the rectangular control box let’s just say all of them activate the saber
25:33 Anakin and Obi-Wan’s “argument” over Ahsoka leaving the Jedi ALWAYS brings me to tears! 😭😭😭
Yeah... I was wondering when this took place.
... now I know...
@@cesarv7685it’s after Season 6
@user-pi1vx4ee8m I said, now I know.
Thanks
I feel like Disney could Frankenstein an “8th season” with the amount of clone wars arcs that are partially animated but not complete and still manage to get like 10 more episodes out of it
And it doesn’t really matter that the show “ended” because they can make it an anthology still
wasnt there an arc where they went to another ocean planet but on the surface the inhabitants looked like they lived in huts on water? sort of like a build your own surface area?
@@brandonreyes2417 I remember hearing about some sort of ocean planet arc but idk about the huts, I know there’s at least like 8 arcs unfinished, im dying to see the cad bane and boba arc
Well it is an anthology series
I still remember when season 6 was referred to as the “Lost Missions” as if they were extra stories. They could totally do that again.
Thank you for having the full arc, i genuinely wish this was finished and put into the final season of the clone wars, it puts that last little bit of layer on the cake that is the relationship between anakin and obi wan their brotherhood the fact that they dont always agree on things but they work it out and they love eachother the small dark moments that anakin has throughout it, his as well as the fact that anakin still misses ahsoka. i loved this arc
Hopefully it will be finished one day
They could have put it in the final season. It would have been less filler than the Ahsoka arc and it would have been a progression of their characters. Like Anakin in this arc is a perfect balance of him from Clone Wars and ROTS, it also sets up his surprise and excitement when he meets her again
This arc definitely would’ve fixed one of my biggest problems with the later seasons on the Clone Wars, that being a severe lack of Grievous. Seasons 1 and 2 basically had Grievous as the main villain, 3 and 5 gave him a few moments to shine, 4 only gave him one episode, but it was him eradicating the Nightsisters so it was just as good. But then season 6 just completely shoved him to the side, I don’t even think he was mentioned in season 6. It definitely would’ve been nice to give Grievous one last arc since the later season are literally supposed to build up to Revenge of the Sith
@@buckethead60 the ashoka and sisters arc was such a bad arc so yea this would be much better
I was hoping for more Ani and Obi moments in the clone wars final season
Music during the ending credits has been muted so the video can be viewed everywhere. Its the same as always, sorry for the inconvenience.
Try renaming it to something else, the distortion of the text can help in keeping Disney away from this video, giving it less attention but also prolonging it's existence.
It’s so dumb that they take these down when they never even remade this arc.
Please keep reposting it when they do, this is my favorite arc and was bummed the last time is was taken down.
I'm amazed that it hasn't been taken down
@@popularguygaming qqq
Here's my collection of highlights from this:
27:13 "Luckily, that isn't true… and never will be" (in response to Anakin suggesting he might fail Obi-Wan)
35:30 "That's no mound, that's a spaceship"
38:40 "I don't think any of these are the weapons we're looking for"
45:19 "Hello there"
1:15:04 "This weapon is your life"
59:47 I like how Anakin still couldn’t see Grievous
Oh my god you're right. They can never meet.
its almost comical how grevious move out of the way every time anakin turns his head
@hyperion447 now that I think about it, he can only never see him in person.
Given that Anakin and Grievous don’t meet face to face, until ‘Revenge of the Sith’. It seems kinda taboo for Anakin to get even a glimpse of him.
Sidious made sure they never met.
Anakin with blasters?
Would have loved to see this instead of the martez sister arc
and him choosing to use two blasters like his captain, icing on the cake
"I dumped the spice. YOU DID WHAT?!" vs "Anakin no one's impressed. Very impressive Jedi."
Honestly what the hell were they thinking about the literal who sisters arc being featured over this?
@@sulphurous2656two words for you... Kethleen Kennedy...
@@sulphurous2656perspective of simple people towards the jedi and society
I would've absolutely loved to have seen this in season 7. There's so many fun references, and the banter is better in this arc, than any other in the series. It's got a lot of fun moments and action, but the serious moments really hit. Grievous is better here than any other episode in the series, except for maybe Grievous Intrigue. Only the Mortis arc tops it in my list of favorites
Man, it would be amazing if they could make something like 'Clone Wars: Beyond' where they complete all the stories Dave and crew were working on before the cancellation like this, son of dathomir, Dark Disciple, Boba and Bane, etc...
thanks for uploading this btw.
And the water supply crisis on Felucia with Aayla Secura and the 327th star corps.
clone wars is an anthology series so they literally dont even need to make a “new” series, they can just do season 8
@@nickscope27 big greedy evil capitalistic whorish mouse
@@nickscope27 What about season 7 being called “The Final Season”?
Would love a retelling of the battle of Coruscant!
This would have been such a great arc. Grievous Anakin meeting dodges. Plus this arc has lots of entertainment. With suspense, action, banter, some feels, also just good ol fan service/references.
Oh also the yavin code. Don't forget the yavin code.
TOP 3 saddest moments:
1:02:09 Grievous lefts Magnaguard alone
1:11:59 Anakin brutally murders droid commander, despite the fact that clanker politely handed him a lightsaber and offered no resistance...
1:20:01 Poor, crippled security battle droid desperately chases after his legs
I ADORE this arc! I wish it had been finished! 😭💔
#CompleteTheCloneWars
Incredible. Such an amazing arc one best in the entire clone wars series. Loved the conversation about Ashoka and banter between Anakin and Obi-Wan. It's so awesome how this arc ties it to rebels and rouge one with the giant kyber crystal and how it for shadows the creation of the death star. I'm so annoyed this was never part of season 7. Hopefully one day it's finished along with all the other unfinished episodes and released on Disney plus.
Every line of dialogue between Anakin and Obi Wan is pure gold
God I love how this all foreshadows how they were able to make the Death Star's weapon of mass destruction.
And you always gotta love the KOTOR reference at the end when Yoda mentions weapons of mass destruction based off of "legends."
Fascinating, also was that James Hong as the voice of the little guy talking with Dooku?
This was back before the term Legends was coined though.
It's in Son of Dathomir, the main Khyber Crystal came from Dathomir
@@bryanferratt6598 This is late but yes it was James Hong. Apparently Filoni was bummed that the episodes with James Hong never aired so he got James Hong to voice a character in Rebels
@@nodatastored684 oh! so that’s where i recognized him from. thanks. knew i’d heard that voice as a star wars character somewhere
we fans gotta petition or something for disney to complete the clone wars. seriously, they just left 2 whole seasons unmade
#CompleteTheCloneWars
#CompleteTheCloneWars
careful what you wish for, disney gave us the twin sister arc for 4 episodes...
@@brandonreyes2417 yeah the butchered that one too. nobody seems to remember how that arc was supposed to have a male character accompanying ashoka and that it would have portrayed her as a hero to the lower levels of coruscant
since when disney listen to what they call : crybabies
Brooo Anakin saying boo to the battle droid was hilarious!!!
Given the recent fan animations that have been going on, it’s very possible for someone and a team to finish making these where the original team stopped, then we would have a good amount of more clone wars content to watch!
Man, sitting down watching this while eating dinner feels like the good old days when I did the same thing. Even though the animation is unfinished the vibes were the same so it felt like I never left.
Something my film teacher from high school taught me that still rings true. Poor video quality can be forgiven. However poor audio quality cannot. The audio is finished so this can actually be somewhat enjoyed as a final product.
Wow, it’s a bummer this was never finished. In addition to providing more context to Obi-WAN’s time on Utapau in RotS, that great moment where Anakin and Obi-Wan set a precedent for not talking about Ahsoka makes her absence from RotS less strange. It also ties into that Rebels episode with Saw and the giant crystal. What a good arc!
If Anakin only turned his head to the left he would have seen grievous
Timestamp?
@@starielife2680 1:20:57
This should have been an arc because it’s cool to see the origin of the Death Stars weapons power source
I would love to see fans turn this into a finished animation
Yes pls!!
It took 10 minutes to forget I’m watching an unfinished episode cause everything besides the animation was done, and my imagination is filling in the gaps
Obi’s little wave to grievous pissing him off made my day lmao
A Death on Utapau 0:09
In Search of the Crystal 21:50
Crystal Crisis 42:48
The Big Bang 1:04:12
This was great, why wasn’t it put in full production? At least we had the full episode though, minus the final touches. Need more clone wars episodes in my life.
Blame the Disney buy out. "“We had a good thing you stupid son of a -----, we had Dave, we had Clone Wars, we had everything we needed and it all ran like clockwork. You could have shut your mouth, made your movies, and made as much money as you needed, but you just had to blow it up, you and your pride and your ego” - Kid named finga ):
This arc was one of the many episodes that were left cancelled and unfinished when Disney cancelled TCW halfway through season 6, the show would’ve had 8 whole seasons with 20+ episodes each if it was never cancelled and every unfinished episode was fully animated
@@nerdsw2197 that's so typical Disney behaviour. like if they were in it for the money maybe they shouldn't have wasted money, talent, skill and time (of the animators and everyone) on the Martez arc but instead finished these...
1:23:21 same sound effect and “laser + delayed explosion” effect as the Death Star II firing in Episode VI. My favorite detail/callback in this arc.
I like how it displays Anakin getting progressively aggressive and reckless.
This was amazing and the banter was hilarious. I just don't see why they want to run away from Grievous so much. They had a prime opportunity to fight him 2 on 1 and Obi always keeps up with him. The two of them together could easily have beat him.
thanks to some dialogues in the revenge of the sith that could not be
They have to preserve the first meeting of Anakin and grievous to ROTS. So that means dodging and running.
Wow, this episode is awesome, awesome, awesome! I REALLY wished they finished it. It has some key dialogue that gives insight into Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship and how Anakin is processing his attachment to Ashoka. Super super cool it is, this tidbit of star wars lore.
The thing I love the most about this unfinished animation is that you can see which parts received the focus and which were neglected. Going from stilted and near non-existent animation to fluid and dynamic scenes is just honesty cool.
It's neat to see what goes on behind the scenes.
We need to get Disney to publish and finish the non completed episodes
It’s literally some of the best obi wan/Anakin content.
Man season 7 and the what could have been season 8, would have made the Clone Wars show legit FAR better than it already is.
1:12:08 that was un called for. Poor droid gave the saber back and he still killed it.
He really was Vader there
40:20 I say is my favorite scene. Seeing Anakin with 2 Blasters goes to show that 501st Spirit. Captain Rex probably showed Anakin a few tips & tricks about blasters. A nice touch of detail
Never thought I'd be able to watch the entire thing but i just love TCW so much
out of everything, i can't believe the conversation at 25:00 wasn't kept in the show. this was always the talk obi and anakin NEEDED to have. there was never any closure for them when ahsoka left, and it's tearing anakin apart! he feels betrayed and disappointed by her, but deep down he knows the jedi are hypocrites and they tried to get rid of ahsoka out of fear and retribution. obiwan feels all the same things, but knows he has to be the strong mentor figure and try to maintain hope that the jedi haven't lost their way (spoilers: they have)
I hope that one day a sorta Clone wars specials would be made and streamed on Disney+. Although, that is, sadly, unlikely
It’s POs dad from king fu panda for anyone wondering who the voice actor is
40:15 at this point this is where Anakin become the Han Solo/Captain Rex for a a minute.
1:21:00 this is the closes Anakin and Grievous got to meeting before Episode 3. This and the Naboo arc.
That was amazing! What an amazing arc! I love when Anakin and Obi-wan work together on missions. I love the verbal jabs they throw at each other. I guess I'm just a fan girl at heart. ❤
I hate Disney even more now for cancelling the show because this is SW at its peak. The writing is awesome, the dialogue is insanely good and has lots of nice references, they still managed to put good humor in it, the worldbuilding for Utapau is amazing and better than everything that came from Disney and most importantly, Grievous is a menace in this arc. There was no reason to cut this from the final season, but I guess there werent enough women in this for Disney. At least they wont tamper with it like the BB arc.
Grievous was a threat before, at least he's just an experienced tactician and not the best fighter who is stronger than all the Jedi, there are villains who are stronger than you, but there are those Jedi who are stronger than you
after all, Grievous showed good achievements, they just weren’t revealed so well
Dude I was with you in the first half. Why did you have to make it weird D:
@@floofylunafox What is weird about it?
@@GreenNinj4 The women part. We were all with you until the weird women part
@@sambreyer7344 Ah ok, but why is that weird though? Looking at the sequels, Kathleen Kennedy did not care to find a director or to have a plan, but only cared about the main character being a woman. Or look at the acolyte, the first thing they said about this show was that it is female centric. Or the Rey movie director who said that activism is more important to her than storytelling and that she likes making men feel uncomfortable. Its a fact that Disney set their priorities on activism instead of storytelling, so is it really „weird“ to think they cut this arc because it didn’t have enough women characters?
1:06:56 I love these unhinged moments of excessive destruction in the clone wars lmao
I can definitely see them putting this in tales of the Jedi
We can only hope my friend.
I highly doubt that as far as i know the series will only have 6 episodes and they are about ahsoka and obi wan's master
@@Creative_mess4 Qui Gon and Dooku
Maybe in future seasons of it.
ahhh I always did enjoy the obi wan and anakin episodes😆
NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK 🙄😤😠😡.
35:00-41:00 is probably my favourite out of all of tcl. The whole sequence is pure comedy gold, but somehow also managed to be very in tune with the 'anakin showing more dark side' and 'obi wan has constant tension with him' plot that we saw in the movies, except this time it's not unbearably cringe and whiny. Still can't say I love the hot-headed and irrational part of Anakin's personality but this is at least not straight-up annoying. Absolutely brilliant writing imo. Sad this will never be finished but glad I got to know the story!
"durrr Anakin cringe in prequels" I'm sick of prequel haters like you, you're the whiny ones. Typical OT elitist hypocrites
You clearly don't understand the character of Anakin in the first place. Think before you comment
They need these released annually as Clone Wars stories... To expand the Galaxy.
This was Darth Plagueis tie in
It was already done basically. Why not finish it : (
I don't know too much about animation but I do know enough to say for certainty that this is absolutely not almost done. this is a completed story board and that's it. a lot of time would be needed to make this look as good as a finished episode of this show looked unfortunately.
@@ladylala3724 And yet they finished the Martez sisters
OMG i wish they finished it. This was truly amazing even though it wasnt finished but it made it even more funny.
#finish this episode
1:20:00 That is so fucked and funny it made me cry-laugh
Between that and the one that handed Anakin the lightsaber, the battle droids are really endearing in this arc
40:00 this is the moment anakin became kyle katarn
Man I fucking love Star Wars, this mystery solving really bring me back to elements from KOTOR, really hope animated media is made for the Old Republic era eventually.
I wish they just continue and put it on Disney+ they didn’t need any other channel to stream it on they could just put it on Disney + straight away
"That's no mound, that's a space ship"
25:00 The saddest moment
This arc gave grievous the respect he deserved it could have given more respect if it didn’t have stupid plot armor, the problem with the clone wars is the villains barely ever win.
This Arc and Son of Dathomir would've redeemed General Grievous after he was shoehorned and misplaced in the Younglings Arc in Season 5.
@Ernesto Chacon he did have badass moment's in that arc tbf.
Please don't take this down...
That was awesome and surprisingly watchable with this animation lol
Me, hearing Yoda talk about the Old Republic: SAY IT’S NAME! SAY IT’S NAME! SAY THE OLD REPUBLIC DANGIT!
Me, hearing Yoda say Legends: THAT’S CLOSE ENOUGH! WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Also, I guarantee you that this arc will be released at some point with Tales of the Jedi. It’s pretty much completely done. Just finished animating it, editing the dialogue so it flows smoother and BOOM! You got yourself a free 4 episodes.
18:36 OOPS!! I BROKE IT!! 😂😂😂😂
Ikr 😂😂😂😂😂
1:23:57 Grevious flipping around amid the explosion reminds me of Vader in his Tie Advanced at the DS1 destruction.
This is so cool. Thank you for sharing this. Cheers! MTFBWY!
And with you my friend!
Honestly one of the best episodes ever...
So the huge Crystal is supposed to be for the Death Star?
Dude, I just love foreshadowing they're doing. It ties in to Episode 2, where Dooku is shown the Death Star plans by the Geonosians. Grievous buying up large sized cyber crystals implies the CIS planned on building a Death Star by themselves. Or at least Palpatine planned ahead on using the Death Star during the Empire and already aquired materials for it during the Clone Wars.
Thank you for the video! Been wanting to watch these for awhile! Love the clone wars! Good episodes even though incomplete, good example of how a good storyline matters.
I just don't understand why they couldn't do this story this is such an amazing story
i always feel like it was weird how grievous's last episode was wayyyy before the finale of the show. him having these last episodes with him as the main villain would have been a fitting end
Even then tho this show totaly contradicted the cannon its world building is so awesome, dispite not being fully animated this is so entertaining to watch
Can’t believe we only got the Bad Batch, Ahsoka’s, and the Siege Of Mandalor arcs in season 7. Would’ve loved to see the other 3 arcs. But the three we got are great ones to end the series on
Ahsoka's 4-episode arc is like a cheap filler for worse than Rebels. 1 episode or didn’t air at all, after all, this is an arc they should add instead of the crap that they only made worse
I hope they finish this arc in a upcoming Jedi Tales season
27:06
I like that this foreshadows something that we know will happen soon.
This arc is so funny wtf😂
Obi wan cracked me up in this episode!!! 🤣🤣🤣
just the conversation at 27:15 is amazing is probably in the 10 ten best moments. That hit hard, and really sets up annikan (idk how to spell his stupid name) but it sets him up for that revenge so well.
Fine, I'll rewatch Clones Wars for the Anakin and Obi Wan banter
This is up there with being my favorite alone with the rise of clovis arc. Very upsetting it was cut
Disney's stupid as shit for for not finishing this. Just goes to show they care more about what will do well rather than focusing what people actually want to watch.
this is genuine and sad. True that we dont get the stories as should be said and known. But rather what will make the income best.
Grievous spinning out of control in space after the explosion is a direct nod to Vader in ANH... Cool detail along with the additional references throughout this arc... That's no mound made me laugh (in a good way)
The droid crawling after his own legs that were also on fire was the funniest thing I have seen all day.
1:08:44 1:18:38 Good idea.
I really wish this episode was fully animated and put in, in my opinion this would of been literally one of the best, I Is thoroughly enjoyed this even though it is not finished animation
Thx for this. man i swear Disney be too greedy holding on these unfinished episodes and not releasing them
do you know how many meme pictures we lost when this wasn't finished? :D
"oops i broke it"
.. or that lightsaber that Anakin turned on with the force
I hope this will be done by the fans one day, it's just gold!
1:25:36 And the last siege of the council is for Stass Alie that isn't again here, and Eeth Koth was also not replaced by Agen Kolar at that time
This arc was probably cut bc of Obi-wan's implication that there's been a Geneva Convention this whole time💀
Thank you for sharing this with us!!!✨
1:20:51 best scene in the entire arc hands down 👨🏻🦰🤚🏻
Can't disagree too much, though 40:10 is also great.
The fact this wasn't finished is a sin
I don’t get why we got the Martez Arc which was “a long story and not really relevant” when this arc would’ve added so much extra context to the Utapau scenes in ROTS.
Could you imagine S7 if they had the existing episodes along with this arc plus the Ventress Arc?
No. if they made a continuation of 7 seasons, I would present them like this
1-4 are the same episodes as 7 seasons with better clones and Echo's objection
5-8 son of Dathomir
9-12 is the arc with Krystal and the development of Anakin and Grievous
13-15 (I saw there was a cameo with Revan and something like that, this arch fit)
and finally
16-20 from the siege of Mandalore 1 episode about Ahsoka’s travels just not this kid but something original, perhaps a battle with rations and of course further as in season 7
All. I think the story of Ventress and the headhunters is interesting but they were made by their own alternative histories