Dude, I’m sitting on a train going into London and can’t stop flicking through your videos. I’m a dad skater with two little skater girls and despite owning five different boards, I still want the waterborne adapter now to add to my collection! Thanks for the video and keep at it.........right, off to work now ☹️
Speaking also as a Dad skater with two little girls, the only regret you will have if you get one is that by this time next year, you’ll probably have 5 surfskates as well!
Damn i had to get one of these truck on my sidewinder surf skate! Sidewinder is awesome but it feels the weight stays on the middle more . Want some thing new wanna buy a new surfskate. This truck will be the result! Thx for sharing! From Taiwan!
Hey man nice thorough review! I like how you had snowboarding footage and experience surfing to give your perspective. You and I posted reviews of the adapters around the same time lol
Thanks for the great video. i have the adapter also but on a 32" board with 14" wheelbase; its not so fun and feels like more work. I'll try to put in on a longer board and hopefully get the same performance as you in the video.
The Longboard is lots of fun going down hills and on smooth pavement flats. If you can find an empty clay tennis court it is like riding on a cloud. But for skateparks and getting around where there might be some uphill involved, I am finding the shorter board to be my go-to.
So funny watching this video again... This was the very first time I came across the idea of surfskating! I watched this video and thought "Wow that looks really fun, I want to try..."
This was my first foray into making videos that I thought others might find useful, and I kind of shudder watching it now... Such bad surfskate technique and video work a little unrefined, but I stand by the content and conclusions, if not the quality of riding 😁. Thanks for supporting from those early days!
Hey, having watched some of your rad bowl skating videos, I think you would have lots of fun with a Carver C5 or CX series trucks. If you are looking for something different for pumping and cruising the flats or going downhill, that is where I find the Waterborne thrives. For me, as my skating has progressed and I now do most of my surfskating at the skatepark, I would go with my Carvers, but it is the Waterborne adapters that helped me progress to this stage.
Should be awesome in Toronto! So much fun terrain, some smooth surfaced public spaces, plus something fun to do once the Leafs get eliminated in the first round 😎
@@FlightNSurf Haha, sorry you can’t shake the urge to insult the Leafs out of us Ottawans! But if a Canadian team can go to the final this year I am satisfied even if it has to be the other Ontario team. Good luck, with both the surfskating and the playoffs!
Thanks for this great vid. I have a 44 inch Lush longboard which I love but don't use anymore as I have a slide and carver surf skate (CX). I have ordered the new waterborne fin setup from America (can't seem to get it here in the UK) and this has re assured me I've made a good choice. Excellent footage as always- over the last couple of years your skills have become really awesome to watch. Cheers!
This is the video that started it all! The skills have certainly improved but I think I did a decent enough job presenting the system to keep the video up. Thanks for watching!
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer do you still rate the waterborne system now you have lots of experience with other types? I currently mainly ride a Slide 34 inch board (when I get the chance!)-
@@AWSMEAD I think it would be perfect for your longboard. For skatepark riding I do prefer lighter and lower setups but for laying out flowy carves on flatground Waterborne is excellent. I have 2 longboards setup with waterborne adapters that are very fun.
@MarktheLandlockedSurfer what trucks do you use with the Waterborne adapter? I think my set up on a longboard is too high from the ground which is costing me stability. Was thinking of swapping to a drop through to maintain clearance, but wondered if this was necessary. Skated a bit in the 80s and 90s, but very rusty. I'm on a board for the same reason as you - nearest coast is only 20 miles away, but the consistent surf is a 6 hour drive!
So much of the movement comes from the adapter itself... I have tried it on both and I don't know that it made a big difference, but I felt like it was smoother on the reverse kingpins. I'd probably start there if I had to choose.
Great videos. All you guys with your channels are just gold to people like me. At 54 I learned to skate bowls and transition the last couple years with my son and I am hooked. I've surfed, windsurfed, and Sup'd for years. I just ordered the Waterborne set up, front and back. What is your opinion on using just risers on the back to start or going straight to the rail adapter? I'll be using one of my old school bowl riding decks around the 9.5-10.5" x 32"ish and 16" WB dimensions & Ace 77 trucks. Not really a mention of trucks in the surf skate world....Thanks!
I currently prefer mine without the rail adapters - They definitely give extra lean but it actually takes away some of the drive you get from pumping. So they are excellent if you are trying to get some deep turns in a tight space, but if travelling any distance, you get a lot more energy return from having risers at the back and the surf adapter up front.
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer my favorite surf setup is the CX truck on the Josh Kerr model I dont think they make it anymore. For LDP or cruising the C7 on the Greenroom model
Hi! Great vid. Have you ever tried reversed (flipped) rear trucks with the Waterborne system? I find it makes the board incredibly stable at high speeds and extra planted in turns while still retaining a ton of nimble carving ability
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer totally is better than normal in any regards I can think of except if you want the absolute smallest turning circle possible. Not much loss at all in turning really, though it may feel a bit weird at first. Try it out and let me know what you think after a few days riding
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer I’ve a quick vid on my channel where I explain some of it though in not much detail as it’s pretty crappy quality. I’ll be coming out with a much better one soon
I think it will depend on your height and stance and other factors, but it seems the sweet spot is between 14" and 16" based on models that are sold for that purpose. Because the rail adapter pushes your back wheels forward by an inch, it might be good to err on the wider side.
Hi from Montreal, always enjoyed your video and passion! what's the wheelsize, did you have risers? I have the same board but find wheelbits with 70mm wheels
Hey, these are 70mm wheels as well. I would jackknife it (get the edge of the board bottoming out on the ground) well before getting near the wheel. So I think either way if you lean it that far you are in trouble. No issue with wheel bite generally unless I try to cut a turn that is way too tight.
Hey man, could you tell me if I can adjust the waterborne base for more or less carving/turning? I mean for begginers to advanced? Second question, do they fit paris v3 150 mm trucks? You rock 🤘
They are working on a new technology called the FIN system that gives some customization, but the stock ones are not adjustable. They should fit Paris trucks, they come with 6 holes to fit both of the more common truck bolt patterns.
Hi mark! Love your videos! I have an oxello 540 and a long board with these adapters on it (which I bought first) and to be honest, I find the oxello way more user friendly and fun to pump etc. Would love a video that could show how to optimize settings on the water borne adapter to optimize pumping speed! Any special tricks?
Hey! This was the first video I made on surfskating back over a year ago! I still like my longboard with waterborne surf and rail adapters for doing carves going down long hills or on really smooth flat surfaces like a tennis court. But I don't find them very efficient to pump because they have so much lean and because they add a lot of weight. If there are tricks to improve that I am afraid I haven't found them yet! YOW and Soothstar are my new favorites for all around performance.
Props for the detailed review & rad surfskate clips. Got landlocked in TO this summer & fall and didn't get to go to SF for my usual surf sessions. I got a Penny Highline Surfskate from Surf Ontario in April and it is pretty sweet and kept me sane, it's better than a C7 Carver in my opinion. I received a Waterborne surf and rail adapter and a Landyachtz Dinghy Blunt as a gift. I haven't tried the Landyachtz yet in stock form but thought of installing the Waterborne on it. Should I proceed with the Landyachtz & Waterborne combo or replace the stock Penny Highline Waterborne setup with the Surf and Rail adapter? How's river surfing like compared to real surfing?
Hey man, you probably know, but if not, it is Lake surfing season right now in TO, I am actually thinking of driving up to Sandbanks on Monday to surf if the wind forecast holds. Get yourself a wetsuit and get out there! I guess if you usually surf SF you probably already have a decent wetsuit! My understanding is that the Penny highline uses a Waterborne licensed adapter up front so I think you’d be better off installing on the Dinghy, which has a really nice shape for surfskating. Also, I have a review posted for the Bureo Ahi Surfskate on my channel, and one of the problems I found is the flexibility of the plastic prevents getting any pop for tricks that require an Ollie. Is it the same with the penny? If so, maybe another reason to have a maple deck surfskate option. Follow me on Instagram and we can get a session in next time I am headed to TO: @surfskateottawa
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer Thanks for the reply Mark, yeah, have heard about the surf scene in Lake Ontario and checked out how it looks like at Jack Darling in Port Credit a few years ago. My surf gear & Carver C7 is in my bro's place in SF, didn't even have summer clothes here at all during the lockdown, it's my first summer & fall here since 02. I rock a decent 4/3 when I surf, no booties or gloves, kinda draw the line there. The water does get cold in my local spot, Lindamar in Pacifica but not icy cold when I am there. Paddled out a few times in OB but it is too gnarly for me. I would check Santa Cruz once in a awhile if it is really good but mostly stay local. I am way older than you, so I just cruise on the Highline and do not do tricks at all. I snowboard during winter but with the hills shut down here, looks like I will be surfskating when it is possible. I will try the Waterborne on the Dinghy and see how it goes. Been off Social Media since June but will check out your IG. Still have an account on IG though @ed_feliciano, look it up when you have the time. Enjoy the swell on Monday.
@@microchannel hey, how was the Dinghy + Waterborne combo? Do you recommend it? Or should I buy Carver C7 trucks and install them on my Dinghy? I'm just afraid Dinghy original trucks might be too narrow for a surfskate adapter.
@@sandralilamaya I tried the Waterborne Surf & Rail adapter and CX trucks on a Dinghy Blunt UV Sun & a Shape 9, with 130mm Bear trucks both are wider than the standard Dinghy. The Wateborne felt better in terms of being surfy, the CX is almost as good if you set it at the most loose setting but the lock nut on the trucks can disengage which happened to me. I have a C7 but never tried them on the Landyachtz. You are correct, the trucks & board width of the Dinghy is a bit narrow for a surfskate, I would suggest an ATV Ditch Life which is wider at 9.75 inches & has 155mm trucks. If you are set on the Dinghy, I would go for the Waterborne but will switch to 60mm wheels instead of the 63mm, it'll be a bit higher compared to the CX but more fun in my opinion.
@@Dscar1 I don’t know if you saw the video I posted today about the month by month progress in my first year of surfskating, but the first month might feel challenging and awkward, but once you start to get it, you advance quickly. Spend lots of time on the board and play around with your foot placement and weight distribution. One day I shifted my weight more to my back foot and all of a sudden everything started working better.
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer I’ll do that. I wanted a longer board for cruising and faster speed. I’m tall as well 6’2. But after seeing this video I think it’s just lack of experience in pumping. Might get the waterborne for my low longboard to try out.
You know, I actually have one, but after looking at the instructional video on how to set up the kite and lines and harness, and the amount of time investment required to learn the basics of just not killing yourself or others, I found other pursuits!
for somebody who lives 8 hours from the ocean, you carve and flow downhill with perfect from! Keep it up man!
Nice video man! Definitely agree, Waterborne does a really solid job at replicating the feeling of surfing
Dude, I’m sitting on a train going into London and can’t stop flicking through your videos. I’m a dad skater with two little skater girls and despite owning five different boards, I still want the waterborne adapter now to add to my collection! Thanks for the video and keep at it.........right, off to work now ☹️
Speaking also as a Dad skater with two little girls, the only regret you will have if you get one is that by this time next year, you’ll probably have 5 surfskates as well!
I know that feeling!
Damn i had to get one of these truck on my sidewinder surf skate! Sidewinder is awesome but it feels the weight stays on the middle more . Want some thing new wanna buy a new surfskate. This truck will be the result! Thx for sharing! From Taiwan!
Hey man nice thorough review! I like how you had snowboarding footage and experience surfing to give your perspective. You and I posted reviews of the adapters around the same time lol
Thanks for the great video. i have the adapter also but on a 32" board with 14" wheelbase; its not so fun and feels like more work. I'll try to put in on a longer board and hopefully get the same performance as you in the video.
The Longboard is lots of fun going down hills and on smooth pavement flats. If you can find an empty clay tennis court it is like riding on a cloud. But for skateparks and getting around where there might be some uphill involved, I am finding the shorter board to be my go-to.
Really nice review. I was planning on getting some kind of SurfSkate trucks for a longboard and this was really informative. Thanks man.
So funny watching this video again... This was the very first time I came across the idea of surfskating! I watched this video and thought "Wow that looks really fun, I want to try..."
This was my first foray into making videos that I thought others might find useful, and I kind of shudder watching it now... Such bad surfskate technique and video work a little unrefined, but I stand by the content and conclusions, if not the quality of riding 😁. Thanks for supporting from those early days!
Carver or waterborne, which should I buy first? If you would only buy one which would it be. Now I'll read your comments.. lol 😆
Hey, having watched some of your rad bowl skating videos, I think you would have lots of fun with a Carver C5 or CX series trucks. If you are looking for something different for pumping and cruising the flats or going downhill, that is where I find the Waterborne thrives. For me, as my skating has progressed and I now do most of my surfskating at the skatepark, I would go with my Carvers, but it is the Waterborne adapters that helped me progress to this stage.
Just picked up my 40" pintail and surf adapter set. Lets see how it goes in Toronto. Lol
Should be awesome in Toronto! So much fun terrain, some smooth surfaced public spaces, plus something fun to do once the Leafs get eliminated in the first round 😎
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer lol well that escalated quickly. The leafs are winning the cup this year. 🤙🏾🤞🏾
@@FlightNSurf Haha, sorry you can’t shake the urge to insult the Leafs out of us Ottawans! But if a Canadian team can go to the final this year I am satisfied even if it has to be the other Ontario team. Good luck, with both the surfskating and the playoffs!
Thanks for this great vid. I have a 44 inch Lush longboard which I love but don't use anymore as I have a slide and carver surf skate (CX). I have ordered the new waterborne fin setup from America (can't seem to get it here in the UK) and this has re assured me I've made a good choice. Excellent footage as always- over the last couple of years your skills have become really awesome to watch. Cheers!
This is the video that started it all! The skills have certainly improved but I think I did a decent enough job presenting the system to keep the video up. Thanks for watching!
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer do you still rate the waterborne system now you have lots of experience with other types? I currently mainly ride a Slide 34 inch board (when I get the chance!)-
@@AWSMEAD I think it would be perfect for your longboard. For skatepark riding I do prefer lighter and lower setups but for laying out flowy carves on flatground Waterborne is excellent. I have 2 longboards setup with waterborne adapters that are very fun.
Thanks for the reply. Interesting to hear your thoughts. An inspiration mate.
@MarktheLandlockedSurfer what trucks do you use with the Waterborne adapter? I think my set up on a longboard is too high from the ground which is costing me stability. Was thinking of swapping to a drop through to maintain clearance, but wondered if this was necessary. Skated a bit in the 80s and 90s, but very rusty. I'm on a board for the same reason as you - nearest coast is only 20 miles away, but the consistent surf is a 6 hour drive!
Obviously the next step is to tarp surf WITH your Waterborne board...
Super helpful review. I'm hoping these Waterborne surf adaptors will pair well with my indy 129mm trucks.
Hi, do you think what is the best setup for a cruiser deck with waterborne adapter? Tq
(reserve kingpin or traditional kingpin trucks)
So much of the movement comes from the adapter itself... I have tried it on both and I don't know that it made a big difference, but I felt like it was smoother on the reverse kingpins. I'd probably start there if I had to choose.
Have you heard of the Cruz Control Suspension Cruiser?
What size trucks are those? 180mm ?
Check out the Curfboard trucks even better and lighter and less weight!
Great videos. All you guys with your channels are just gold to people like me. At 54 I learned to skate bowls and transition the last couple years with my son and I am hooked. I've surfed, windsurfed, and Sup'd for years. I just ordered the Waterborne set up, front and back. What is your opinion on using just risers on the back to start or going straight to the rail adapter? I'll be using one of my old school bowl riding decks around the 9.5-10.5" x 32"ish and 16" WB dimensions & Ace 77 trucks. Not really a mention of trucks in the surf skate world....Thanks!
I currently prefer mine without the rail adapters - They definitely give extra lean but it actually takes away some of the drive you get from pumping. So they are excellent if you are trying to get some deep turns in a tight space, but if travelling any distance, you get a lot more energy return from having risers at the back and the surf adapter up front.
I have the surf and rail adapters it's a fun setup but no substitute for my Carver boards
Do you have a favourite setup? C7?
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer my favorite surf setup is the CX truck on the Josh Kerr model I dont think they make it anymore. For LDP or cruising the C7 on the Greenroom model
How does the flex in the deck affect it? I love the way you can get the rail right over.
I was never a longboarder, so flex on decks was never something I liked the feeling of, but some people love it.
What's the wheelbase on the longboard (inside of truck to inside of truck)? Thanks!
Truck to truck is about 28 inches. But the rail adapter moves your truck forward but about an inch so it ends up about 27 after install.
Hi! Great vid. Have you ever tried reversed (flipped) rear trucks with the Waterborne system? I find it makes the board incredibly stable at high speeds and extra planted in turns while still retaining a ton of nimble carving ability
Also feels more like a real surf board to me with a tighter rear. It’s even better on an E-board
Interesting, would have thought it would feel really weird and unpredictable
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer totally is better than normal in any regards I can think of except if you want the absolute smallest turning circle possible. Not much loss at all in turning really, though it may feel a bit weird at first. Try it out and let me know what you think after a few days riding
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer I’ve a quick vid on my channel where I explain some of it though in not much detail as it’s pretty crappy quality. I’ll be coming out with a much better one soon
What do you reckon is the ideal wheelbase for these adapters to feel as if I’m riding a shortboard?
I think it will depend on your height and stance and other factors, but it seems the sweet spot is between 14" and 16" based on models that are sold for that purpose. Because the rail adapter pushes your back wheels forward by an inch, it might be good to err on the wider side.
Hi from Montreal, always enjoyed your video and passion! what's the wheelsize, did you have risers? I have the same board but find wheelbits with 70mm wheels
Hey, these are 70mm wheels as well. I would jackknife it (get the edge of the board bottoming out on the ground) well before getting near the wheel. So I think either way if you lean it that far you are in trouble. No issue with wheel bite generally unless I try to cut a turn that is way too tight.
Hey man, could you tell me if I can adjust the waterborne base for more or less carving/turning? I mean for begginers to advanced?
Second question, do they fit paris v3 150 mm trucks?
You rock 🤘
They are working on a new technology called the FIN system that gives some customization, but the stock ones are not adjustable. They should fit Paris trucks, they come with 6 holes to fit both of the more common truck bolt patterns.
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer I see…hope this new technology come soon…btw, thanks a lot for answering.
Keep it real. Best from Brasil
Can you put your surfskate trucks on the adapter?
You could but the result would probably not be anything desirable!
Hi mark! Love your videos! I have an oxello 540 and a long board with these adapters on it (which I bought first) and to be honest, I find the oxello way more user friendly and fun to pump etc. Would love a video that could show how to optimize settings on the water borne adapter to optimize pumping speed! Any special tricks?
Hey! This was the first video I made on surfskating back over a year ago! I still like my longboard with waterborne surf and rail adapters for doing carves going down long hills or on really smooth flat surfaces like a tennis court. But I don't find them very efficient to pump because they have so much lean and because they add a lot of weight. If there are tricks to improve that I am afraid I haven't found them yet! YOW and Soothstar are my new favorites for all around performance.
Very nice. Did you mount risers to the waterborne or just let them be?
I mounted it straight to the deck in this case - no risers
Maan I wish I was your neighbor. We be sk8ting everyday! 😅🤙🔥
🤙🏼👌🏼👌🏼🤙🏼
Props for the detailed review & rad surfskate clips. Got landlocked in TO this summer & fall and didn't get to go to SF for my usual surf sessions. I got a Penny Highline Surfskate from Surf Ontario in April and it is pretty sweet and kept me sane, it's better than a C7 Carver in my opinion. I received a Waterborne surf and rail adapter and a Landyachtz Dinghy Blunt as a gift. I haven't tried the Landyachtz yet in stock form but thought of installing the Waterborne on it. Should I proceed with the Landyachtz & Waterborne combo or replace the stock Penny Highline Waterborne setup with the Surf and Rail adapter? How's river surfing like compared to real surfing?
Hey man, you probably know, but if not, it is Lake surfing season right now in TO, I am actually thinking of driving up to Sandbanks on Monday to surf if the wind forecast holds. Get yourself a wetsuit and get out there! I guess if you usually surf SF you probably already have a decent wetsuit! My understanding is that the Penny highline uses a Waterborne licensed adapter up front so I think you’d be better off installing on the Dinghy, which has a really nice shape for surfskating. Also, I have a review posted for the Bureo Ahi Surfskate on my channel, and one of the problems I found is the flexibility of the plastic prevents getting any pop for tricks that require an Ollie. Is it the same with the penny? If so, maybe another reason to have a maple deck surfskate option. Follow me on Instagram and we can get a session in next time I am headed to TO: @surfskateottawa
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer Thanks for the reply Mark, yeah, have heard about the surf scene in Lake Ontario and checked out how it looks like at Jack Darling in Port Credit a few years ago. My surf gear & Carver C7 is in my bro's place in SF, didn't even have summer clothes here at all during the lockdown, it's my first summer & fall here since 02. I rock a decent 4/3 when I surf, no booties or gloves, kinda draw the line there. The water does get cold in my local spot, Lindamar in Pacifica but not icy cold when I am there. Paddled out a few times in OB but it is too gnarly for me. I would check Santa Cruz once in a awhile if it is really good but mostly stay local. I am way older than you, so I just cruise on the Highline and do not do tricks at all. I snowboard during winter but with the hills shut down here, looks like I will be surfskating when it is possible. I will try the Waterborne on the Dinghy and see how it goes. Been off Social Media since June but will check out your IG. Still have an account on IG though @ed_feliciano, look it up when you have the time. Enjoy the swell on Monday.
@@microchannel hey, how was the Dinghy + Waterborne combo? Do you recommend it? Or should I buy Carver C7 trucks and install them on my Dinghy? I'm just afraid Dinghy original trucks might be too narrow for a surfskate adapter.
@@sandralilamaya I tried the Waterborne Surf & Rail adapter and CX trucks on a Dinghy Blunt UV Sun & a Shape 9, with 130mm Bear trucks both are wider than the standard Dinghy. The Wateborne felt better in terms of being surfy, the CX is almost as good if you set it at the most loose setting but the lock nut on the trucks can disengage which happened to me. I have a C7 but never tried them on the Landyachtz. You are correct, the trucks & board width of the Dinghy is a bit narrow for a surfskate, I would suggest an ATV Ditch Life which is wider at 9.75 inches & has 155mm trucks. If you are set on the Dinghy, I would go for the Waterborne but will switch to 60mm wheels instead of the 63mm, it'll be a bit higher compared to the CX but more fun in my opinion.
Try "Grasp 23" trucks
What is that longboard? It’s really nice
It is a 44” Bahne Bamboo throwback board. I think the company that bought the rights to the Bahne name is called Made in Mars.
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer thank you! I just got my first surfskate, a Carver Greenroom with c7. Struggling to pump. It’s not easy
@@Dscar1 I don’t know if you saw the video I posted today about the month by month progress in my first year of surfskating, but the first month might feel challenging and awkward, but once you start to get it, you advance quickly. Spend lots of time on the board and play around with your foot placement and weight distribution. One day I shifted my weight more to my back foot and all of a sudden everything started working better.
@@MarktheLandlockedSurfer I’ll do that. I wanted a longer board for cruising and faster speed. I’m tall as well 6’2. But after seeing this video I think it’s just lack of experience in pumping. Might get the waterborne for my low longboard to try out.
Legendas, por favor!
need a kite/sail!
You know, I actually have one, but after looking at the instructional video on how to set up the kite and lines and harness, and the amount of time investment required to learn the basics of just not killing yourself or others, I found other pursuits!
Tarp surfing is next level shit, bro
There is no substitute for real surfing, simple as that. Surfskate can help you on your surf training but it would never feel like real surfing.
No argument there, please subscribe so I can start my path to being able to afford my own 40 million dollar wave pool!
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