No, the Heroin of video games is VR porn, my friend showed me his "pro set-up"....it's better than gaming and better than actual moaning wives.....Sim Racing is a close second however.
Robin, the jokes actually on you, I have both a racing Sim on both consoles and PC and I also have a car which is a BMW E46 that is my racing Sim in real life 😂😂😂😂
The problem with console racing is you may buy a wheel for this generation and the odds are the next generation consoles will require you to buy it again.
A console generation lasts like 7 years so a $300 wheel would only cost like 11 cents per day, making it essentially free considering you can easily find 11 cents on the ground each day.
Comfort of my home lol. As if the whole point wasnt to make it feel as authentic as possible. Anybody would rather drive the real cars in real environment. But ofc, then your first point sums it up.
@@kingsed91 Of course its not the real thing. It's much better! If you smash a virtual R8 LMS into the wall you can just restart. If you wreck a real one... well, you can run to Mexico and restart your whole existence because its easier than paying the bill.
Great insight thank you im 61 years old, and just starting out I've been playing play stations 1 since 1990s plus-2-3-4 now going to ps 5, setting myself up on to a GT omega platform,using a Logitech G25 with shifter, plus 31.5" curved monitor your video very informing
That’s exactly what I thought. Dude needs to be doing some voiceover work. Be perfect for sleep therapy. When the ladies her him talk their panties fall off !!!
Chris, I was literally looking at getting my first ever wheel and pedal set. I even went looking on your channel for reviews (only found the shifters) and then you post this! If that's not a sign, what is?
I started sim racing my last year of high school. I had just gotten my first paycheck from McDonald’s. (Around $700) I bought a g29 and hooked it up to my ps4. I used my mother’s ironing board as my “rig” I literally only paid for my g29. Just think outside the box and you can definitely get into sim racing for very cheap.
Palace huge racing fan here. I’ve been having a ps4 since 2015, always dreamed of a wheel but never had the chance to have it before a year ago. Then I found a good occasion from the French amazon, the thrustmaster T150 RS for 120€ (here in Italy they cost at least 170-200€). I got extremely lucky because it also was the exact wheel I was aiming to. Finally got it with my savings, pulled off a shelf under the desk’s surface and adapted it to be a rig. A normal chair is the seat and a rug is the line for putting the pedals. I also had the games already, so it was a super cheap entry.
ThatWeirdGuyNamedBes1997 that’s awesome! I forgot to mention that I put weights behind the pedal so that whenever I press the brake the pedal doesn’t move.
I feel bad for the devs when I suggest to wait for the Steam sales... but they come around like clockwork, and it's pretty much a given that AC, AMS and RF will feature some pretty deep discounts. :)
@@ChrisHaye I was told when I worked in a shop, any sell is better than no sell. Sure it's "profit loss", but it's not as big as the profit loss from a customer who doesn't buy at all. (Hence the ridiculous prices you sometimes see in the reduced to clear sections).
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i got a friend bought AC Ultimate Edition a day before black Friday, he paid $40. Only to be sale on the day after for $8 here in SEA lol
I've always dreamed of Logitech top wheel (g27, now g29), now when i bought one, they say its a budget one xD wtf i've never seen more expensive one before
I was thinking of building a driving simulator into my parts car. Use a couple steering dampers hooked to the rack to give the wheel some resistance. Use the the real throttle position sensor and throttle body for feel. It'd be fun to have a sim with doors, windows and a working stereo. Other possibilities are cutting off the front at the firewall and behind the front seats. ATX power supply for 12v and 5v things.
PSA: If finding compatible wheels for the PS4 and Turismo is going to break your budget, there's an open source gadget called the GIMX which might help out. It plugs in between the PS4 and your wheel and emulates compatible wheels, so that you can use a cheaper wheel in GT Sport instead of buying an officially licenced wheel ($$$). Knowledge is horsepower.
I've had the G29 with shifter since april. It's held up pretty well so far, but I can tell the motors have gotten a little weaker over time and sound worse during the initial calibration. The wheel can be noisy too, but I don't mind it. They give a 2 year warranty on the wheel anyway so if it goes out on me I can get it repaired or a new one. I currently only play DiRT Rally and GTS on PS4 and it's way better than just using a controller, but make sure you have a sturdy desk.
@Mirsad Redzovic The wheel never gave out on me, and so far hasn't gotten any worse. It does squeak and grumble sometimes like I have seen others mention, but it still feels good.
me 100% but i bought the h shifter from logitech second hand for 20$ then i followed amstudio youtube channel so that you can use it as a usb and dont need to plug it into a g29
Hi everyone, I would like to start from the beginning in sim racing, but I’d like to build a custom pc; could you give me some advice? My hobby is also 3D animations with Blender and that computer would be my daily use. Could I stay around a 1000€-1300€ budget (Logitech G90 included)? Thank you
My recommendation for you would be as follows- CPU- AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Very powerful cpu, will handle just about anything you can throw at it. Motherboard- MSI B450 tomahawk. My personal mobo, very solid board. Memory- cheapest 16gb ddr4 3000 or higher you can find GPU- AMD RX 5700 or 5700 XT Best value for the money, a great card. A good power supply, 500+ watts at least 80+ bronze rated. The case is up to your personal preference, all in all, should cost around $750-$850. You can head over to pcpartpicker.com and play around with the build configurator and gauge pricing. Good luck
@@b1squitz551 remember that, same as Chris said in this video, sales and second hand market are a thing for PC parts, and the good thing is that there's always people selling because of upgrading, so a little patience and research can get you great deals.
if they have a pc already but are unsure if they can run the software, get hold of raceroom, its free. if you can run raceroom on an old pc, you can run asseto corsa, gtr2 on that too, that also opens up the modding community to them as well. you can get thrustmaster t150's pretty cheap if you look around, and same with the thrustmaster t3pa pedals too, look for "buy now" deals as they would be mostly old unopened b-stock, so they are practically new units.
wanted to write the same thing, r3e really is the best way to test your pc's performance. And after you made shure that r3e runns on your pc, wait for a sale on assetto corsa. I was recently able to buy the complete game with all DLC's for about 10$. Together with a g27 + wheelstand pro for 80$ (after around 2 weeks of looking for good offers) I am able to really get into simracing + rated online racing with srs for under 100$. ^^
I started out getting an entry-level Logi Driving Force GT ... already had a gaming PC. Then some time later i found a deal on a used Logi G27. Once I bought it, I realized things were getting serious. This wheel was so much better than my previous DFGT. I had it mounted to my computer desk, but it didn't take long to realize that I needed this mounted firmly. Some time after that I found a deal on a Logi G29 and bought a wheel mount. This was while upgrading my PC. It's worth it! The DFGT was $150, sold it for $80 and bought the G27 for $120 (haven't sold it yet). Bought the G29 with shifter for $200 and the mount for $60. $260 for the G29 and mount is worth it!! If you're in a situation determining whether to get a G27 or G29, get the G29. They moved the controls off the shifter onto the wheel, and that alone makes it worth it. Leaning over to the shifter to navigate menus got annoying REALLY quickly.
The only complaint I have about the G29 is the shifter costs extra and the price. It's coming down tho, hoping to snag one soon. I still have my Driving Force Pro, the predecessor to the Driving Force GT. You had a couple more knobs and buttons that I did, otherwise they were extremely similar, more so than the G27 and G29 even.
I just heard the most outrageous and scariest words out of my 8 year old daughter, "dad I want a sim racing system", I almost passed out but my answer was even more crazy, "ok, lets do it", again I almost passed out twice.
YES! The DIY! ... I was 13... 16 years ago, destroying my sister's boyfriend on the 2x4 rig he built with a ford Taurus seat bolted to the frame... I've been addicted to racing ever since.
Thanks for doing this kind of Sim-Racing Discussion Piece, Chris. And part of the reason I am saying that - was the WHOLE REASON for starting my Channel in the first place. As I bought a Logitech Driving Force GT on a runout sale, for around $70. And so I just wanted to show beginners, that you could still get a Top 50 to Top 20 time (inc RSR) on a cheap non-nonsense wheel................................................................................ provided you were willing to practice. P.S. I've seen a lot of good (& bad - my ones ; ) transitions in my time - but your transition @ 1:17 was amazing... just saying ; )))
Been a huge of racing games since Gran Turismo on PS1. It was only when GT Sport came out that I decided to finally buy a wheel and pedals. Got the G29 and built my own rig out of PVC pipe and the passenger seat of an old Focus. Materials for the rig cost me about £25. While it's obviously not as rigid (could probably be with better design, but I just winged it) as a metal or wood rig, it does the job great and it's incredibly light. After about an hour with the wheel I was shattering my best times done with the controller. In total, the whole racing rig cost me about £235 and was worth every penny. Clocked up over 40,000 miles on GT Sport, wheel, pedals and rig still going strong. Anyone who loves their racing and is toying with the idea of going for a wheel, do it!
I thought so to but now it’s easy. 1991 Mazda Miata it’s my daily driver so I’ve had lots of practice and you’ll get the hang of it if you just practice doing it and getting a rhythm like Filip mentioned.
I got a T80 from Walmart about a month ago, was only 70$ brand new. It works fine and still fun but want to get a better one when I can. I didn't know anything about sim racing until I bought my wheel and looked up a video on how it works and getting addicted fast lol going to the junk yard tomorrow if they are open to get a car seat and middle council, maybe dashboard too
There's one argument I feel should be addressed when discussing getting a wheel for any current console at this moment in time. Transitioning from either Xbox 360 to One or PS3 to PS4 required buying a new wheel as none of the old ones would be compatible with current hardware. As far a I know it is unclear yet, if this will happen again with the upcoming transition into PS5/Series X, so I'd rather wait before getting a wheel for a current gen console. Also, finally subscribed to the channel. :)
@@GrrSaidTheWolf Agreed. But they became available only quite a while after the consoles were released, weren't they? And they are not exactly plug-and-play. So, to someone just starting out I'd still mention the possibility of added hassle.
The Xbox Project X team has confirmed that all last Gen hardware and software will be compatible, so a G920 should be a safe buy if you are planning on using it on the upcoming console
Absolutely fantastic video Chris, thank you. With the cancellation of what looks to be much of the upcoming racing season, I'm researching sim racing for the first time in my life and watching your video was not only super helpful to a total newbie like me, but also made me feel such immense gratitude for being able to do it for real. Thanks for both. Subscribed.
I just want to upgrade from my G27 but the only wheel that would be considered an upgrade would be the T300 RS or better but those wheels cost almost 3x the price I paid for my G27 (£80). Not to mention the fact that they don't even come with a shifter and any option other than the Logitech shifter will cost another £150. Even though the G27 doesn't necesarily lower my lap times, it doesn't provide consistency, detailed FFB and imersion, and if you are drifiting the G27 does lack the rotational speed you may need with some cars while drifting. I hope Logitech decides to make a new wheel soon that is belt driven and more accesible to budget concerned consumers because I feel like there are many people who want something right in the middle of the t300rs and the g29.
Drifting is a really good point. I'm no drifter, but when I had the G29 to test, I did find the rotational speed really lacking.
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I have a G29. I'm thinking I'll bide my time until I can afford maybe a CSL Elite. The T300 doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade and besides I'm a bit worried about the reported failure rate of TM wheels.
really the only reason to upgrade for me is the deadzone. On the g27 I constantly noticed it on the straits whereas on the t300rs I can only feel a deadzone if I intentionally feel for it
Costi You need to make some sim racing UA-cam vids and try to make some money from your “hobby” then use the money to upgrade your gear later. That or just save , save , save buddy.
i think i need to make "how to start sim racing as cheap as possible" by myself, i know noone will pay attention but, you can do it really cheaper... aim on old wheels, and not on new ones, buy wheel from ebay or something like that, seat is not a need, its just for flex it doesnt add anything, you dont need 3 pedal set as most cars has sequential transmission so the clutch is useless, your wheel should have at least 90 degree on both sides, force feedback is also a need, as it gives you much beter idea of what the car is doing and you will feel beter too, so basically only thing u need is decent wheel, and pedals, shifter and handbrake are just for flex and so is the seat gloves and things like this, i recommend Logitech driving force, or logitech formula force, or logitech driving force ex, these wheels you can get easily for 40 euros and if you are lucky enough you can get them even for 10 euros :) i have 400+ hours on racing games mostly dirt rally series, and its absolutely fine, i dont need anything else, i mean like i would like to have beter wheel but its price is absolutely retarded if you think what it takes to make a wheel...
My recomendation for "starting off" Get Assetto Corsa on PC, and use mouse steering. It's not the best by far but it gives you a good idea for how to control cars and how to counter steer and how to use visual queues to tell what the car is doing
I found AC to be surprisingly playable on a controller if you’re experienced enough with a controller. Same for pCars2. As a kid I always used a controller on Burnout, older F1 games, Gran Turismo etc. and when I started to pick up racing games and play them a bit more again with F1 2016 a few years back I just turned off all assists and tried to get used to it. At the time, I could easily manage everything (no ABS, no racing line, etc.) except no traction control, but throughout the years I learnt how to do that as well. I think I’m pretty competitive for being on a controller compared to most other people on the F1 games and even though I’m not *as* good in pCars2, I still often got compliments on my speed and racecraft from people who were impressed and surprised I use a controller to play a wheel-oriented game and manage to do fairly well. The hardest part without feedback like you have in a wheel is consistency. You often don’t feel the tires dropping off, the grip levels changing etc. and you need to do this by intuition and visuals which is very hard at first. You also need to be very precise with all your inputs (braking, throttle and steering) since moving the stick even half a centimeter can throw the car off-balance. Thats the key; being smooth. TL;DR - using a controller on sim/casual racing games is very much possible and enjoyable if you know what you’re doing so if you don’t have money for a wheel (yet) its definitely something to try
you should save a little more and get the thrustmaster t300 rs, the logitech wheels have a 15 degree force feedback deadzone at center... if you still go for logitech, make sure you dont leave it connected when not in use.
Gaining a competitive advantage is true but it’s also not. Tho you don’t gain a time advantage, you do gain feel and consistency which as a whole makes you faster and have better lower times
Track days arent that expensive nor are the brakes tbh for the more expensive sim racing rigs you can def track your car cheaper than you can with a20 or 30k rig and thats with modding your car too
Jérémy Drouin oh I see, as strange as it may sound I love the way the g29 looks but I hear the t-150 pro is better (less noisy and clunky and a few other things people mention)
I've been on scene since GT 1. Was quite advanced given the hardware at the time. Forza is decent with great replay ability. iRacing is an awesome platform, the best sim, but in my experience on iRacing, theres a lot of upper class racers mingling with newcomers and then complaining that they are inadequate and turning new racers off from the platform.
The virtual reality is full immersion if you have a wheel and rig setup, even a cheap one is full immersion, and I first got mine I got tricked into reaching for the gear shift and I only have the menu music on and I sat back you put my arm on the window and it wasn't there I thought I'd play cool by sitting back listening to music with my arm on the but the door was not there..lol, that part may not work but when you're racing it's full immersion, driving and flying and even a Mech rig is fully immersion with virtual reality. PlayStation is what I have
Sim racing is like wine. You can spend a lot but cheap and expensive gets you drunk equally. Hey, advice for frugal racers like me about screens: You can live without 3screens and VRs using a 27" or even a 24, putting the monitor REAL close to the G29, almost over the 2 clamp knobs. Doing that you can use low FOV views and still see both wheel arches and apexes quite well. Mount the screen on a sturdy desk, and use those monitor arms to move the screen over and back when you need to work or study with it. Normally cockpits need 43"s because the screen is a hand behind the wheel. Instead of a DIY PVC cockpit I suggest get a door, 2 trestles and some 3d printed chair brakes. You can get a pretty strong desk to play and study without the need of having a too focused furniture in your house.
Yeah but he's kind of a freak lmao, extremely hard and near impossible to do what he can on a controller. Even if most people practised for a decade they'd still probably get nowhere near his pace.
I use a 7 yr old laptop with integrated graphics, connected to a 10 yr old television as a monitor via HDMI, and a 2nd hand Logitech Driving Force EX (an upgrade from my previous second hand non-force-feedback Microsoft Sidewinder wheel). I play rFactor 1, Game Stock Car Extreme, Race 07, GTR2, Richard Burns Rally, and Live for Speed. Very cheap setup, and I'm slow, but I have fun. Anyone can get into the hobby without spending too much money if they're content with older games and equipment.
I highly recommend the logitech Driving Force GT as a entry level FFB wheel. I picked one up for £25 in like new condition not too long ago and what a bargain, absolutely great wheel. Already got my monies worth
If I could give everyone a single recommendation coming into sim racing it would be that if you don't already have a console, build a cheap pc. There's an almost unlimited amount of hrs worth of driving content with better graphics, wheel support and so many more titles. With ryzen and rx cards or nvidias 1050 or 1060 prices now it's so cheap to build a pc that is more than enough for sim racing for about the cost of a new Xbox One X and a game or 2. If you already have a console and aren't really serious about sim racing then I would by all means just go with that till the bug bites and you do want to plunge in deeper to sim racing. Great vid as always Chris!
yes. But a used console is like 80 bucks, while a cheap entry level gaming PC is at least double that (even if you buy used). I'm a PC gamer myself, but I can see how some people just can't (or don't want to) spend that much money.
@@Arokh1997 um, unless you're talking about getting an ebay console and taking that chance a used xbox one s runs about $150. Factor in the cost of games for console and after buying a couple games even used you're going to be well over $200. You can easily run any sim on basically junk hardware unless you want vr. Even my old thinkpad with an i5 can run assetto and r3e with decent graphics. Once you factor in the cost of games an older used pc is the better value. I can get the advantage a console has over a pc in the same price range for general gaming use but like I said if you're focused on sim racing and don't have a console, pc is a better starting point. Consoles are just way too limited in sim racing content and what they do get has so much dumbed down, liked locked fov, interface latency, and general wheel support trying to sim race on a console gets extremely frustrating in it's limitations in a short period of time. Especially once you come to the realization you could have bought a cheap used workstation, tossed a $100 graphics card in, maybe a little ram and have a machine that can handle any of the current titles very easily. You add in the amazing amount of great mod content available for free for titles that are already insanely cheap and the pc really pulls away.
@@jkalash762 console is still cheapest option. Most people have them already. Even if you dont you can find first gen ps4's on facebook for about 50 bucks like he said. AC 10 bucks, PC2 15 bucks, GT Sport 20 bucks. It's the best option for budget. 1st gen PS4 is perfectly capable of running these games well, I have played them. I mainly use my PC though because my ps4 setup has no good place to mount my wheel.
I also prefer PC to console anyday, but you have to spend a significantly larger amount of money to get the superior quality of gameplay that people often talk about.
@@ryno7425 the cheapest ps4 you can find on FB anywhere remotely near my area is $185. Plus I said if you don't have a console already. At this point in time going into the next gen of consoles with the cost of a second gen ryzen and rx graphics cards buying a console that dated at that type of cost isn't worth it. I mainly use xbox and have dumped all the money on that side of things and I can say from first hand experience it isn't the money saver people think. Especially when you factor in the life span of a console to even an entry level gaming pc today. A basic pc with a ryzen 2600 and an rx580 is a very cheap build and can run any sim title at graphics well beyond what a console can until you go up to the one x. I have an ancient pentium 4 with and old nvidia card in it that will even run assetto or r3e.
it sucks right now because the G29 or G920 are both out of stock EVERYWHERE. Some third party sellers have them on Amazon but they're selling them for above MSRP
Ever since I bought Logitech G29 as my first wheel, I am recommending it to anyone as a stater wheel. It'll serve you well until you decide if you want to go on with sim racing or not.
Second this, But I am using my second G29 since my first one (Month after launch) broke within 2 years of moderate use. Buttons just stopped working but the analog was still there. And yea, For around $300 if you include the shifter it's one of the best entry wheel I have ever used!
@@haaxxx9 i had one. couldnt stand the clunky movements. then got a t300rs and thats a half and half belt , gear drive. so smooth. then.,...i tried a friends fanatec 2.5 club sport belt drive....ugh amazing
@@mrcontroversy222 Was the Fanatec the best of the lot? I've previously owned the original driving force gt, then the Thurstmaster T500 rs but never had a go on the fanatecs.
If I can give a starter any tip. Buy a cheap wheel but good pedals. If you cannot afford that buy at least a wheel pedal combination that allows you to use the wheel separat from the pedals so that you can later get better pedals ans still use the wheel. Pedal control is so much more important than a wheel. To be honest most expensive wheels barely feel exordinarily better that their cheapo counterparts. It´s just the material and the price tag. But Fanatec pedals for example give you so much more control than any cheapo Logitech plastic pedals that you will instantly will get better times.
Chris good job in the video I remember first getting started in sim racing when I got PC2 drove the IndyCar a lot in Long Beach. Few months forward I saw someone streaming iRacing on Twitch which lead me to getting iRacing and trying it out. I am very happy that I am sticking with iRacing and my Thrustmasters TMX Force Feedback wheel with the the TH8A Shifter and the T3PA Pedals add on and I'm happy with my purchases.
dude you dont know what cheap means really. Please, if you want it cheap, go buy a speedlink drift oz for 40 bucks and the game pass and go play forza and f1. Its 1 dollar/euro first month and after that 10. You can also buy a game, there are cool options for cheap out there that may not be a sim but things like burnout are 10 bucks on g2a. Much fun
You don't have to have a g29. You can use a G27 because for a 200 price difference, the g29 isn't worth it and the G27 will always be awesome since it's cheap but high quality and a tiny bit more deadzone.
You can do some karting much cheaper than buying a direct drive wheel a SIM cockpit etc but it doesn't take long for things to add up and you can jump on your SIM rig every day if you wanted to after work whatever that's my take on it
I got into sim racing when I found a Driving Force GT at Salvation Army for $20. I didn't even realize what a score it was at the time. I already had a gaming PC, so I was in for peanuts. Probably would have never started otherwise.
@@SN13K3R Yeah I got really lucky. I didn't know anything about sim racing at the time. I didn't know what FFB was or anything. I just thought, "this might be fun", and I got it. I have a T300 now but the DFGT served me well.
Super calming voice man but the videos on the screen are very boring. I would much more likely be able to stay attentive if I seen the camera on your face talking like in the begenning. Makes it more personable and more natural. Other than that, everything's great!
I've seen some of the best drifters on the planet I've personally encountered in assetto corsa shred with 70$ ebay wheels with 2 pedals and outshine dudes with motion Sims.
I love driving but I don’t want to spend money on gas or tires, put more miles in my car, nor be annoyed with other dummies on the road. Also I want to learn how to drive manual since my family doesn’t drive manual.
and now everything is 4x the price!! I've done two seasons in iRacing with an xbox contoller. Sticking to Miata's its within my skill and controller. Would like to get a wheel before next season and jump up to faster cars but with a controller its not fair. I need the feedback to handle those cars and I wouldnt wanna be all over the place when racing.
I run Assetto corsa on the lowest setting possible except resolution and i own a wheel with no force feedback but i still have a lot of fun so you really don't need to spend a lot to have fun
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If you have a slower PC you might want to try Automobilista, that runs great.
look i play Assetto Corsa on pc with a ps4 controller, and im able to race quite well, my only gripe is it can get a little twitchy at times, and a wheel WOULD help with that, and make inputs smoother..but if you cannot budget a wheel and can only use a controller..do not fret..you can race perfectly fine against other drivers with some practice..a wheel won't make you any better..its all on you..some of the fastest drivers out there use key board and mouse, so if you like sims and only got a controller..go ahead and pull the trigger on it and drive your heart out, you wont be disappointed
I was an avid Gran Turismo player on playstaion back in the days of PS1s and PS2s in my teens. That aspect of my life has impacted me so much that I consider myself an excellent driver on real life roads. So far, I have been thinking of doing some sim racing as a hobby again. I just want to compliment you on the effort and presentation that you put into all your videos, to the point where it is absolutely nothing underneath that of a professional standard. Thanks for your dedication. Much respect from Trinidad. Keep doing what you do.
I'm like you on playing it back in the day with my PS2 & PS3. But I still play Gran Turismo on a PS4 pro with a Logitech G29 steering wheel setup. You Need to get back into it the graphics are way better than in the past and over all experience .By the way I'm 54 years old and still enjoy playing after work and on weekends!!
The explanation was perfectly clear and right-minded. Thank you for the advises. I'm french and that's pretty much rare when i understand a entire video 👌👏
I bought a G923, and I was using it on the PC. I quickly realized that setting up the wheel (even if it should be compatible with the game) was a nightmare, so I bought a PS5 and Gran Turismo(I only play arcade type racing games). The G923 felt very different physically and mentally without any compatibility or driver issues. It just worked. I'll get a direct drive wheel for my PC one day, but how they utilized low-mid end controllers on the PS5 is insane.
Don’t like Forza Motorsport 7 or Project Cars 2. Forza 7 only feels right with a Xbox controller, the game is worse with a wheel. Project Cars 2’s physics is just plain wrong.
It's an old joke: How do you make a small fortune in racing? Well, first you start with a large fortune...
OgamiItto70 Facts😂😔
That is indeed true for real racing most drivers come from the rich
Do i smell some lance stroll???
This is why I started ram raiding liquor stores.
lol shit yes but no one likes lance
It's official then, sim racing is the heroin of video games
Is the Cocain because you have adrenalin fully races.........or is that just my feeling???.......
No, the Heroin of video games is VR porn, my friend showed me his "pro set-up"....it's better than gaming and better than actual moaning wives.....Sim Racing is a close second however.
Is indie games the lsd and shrooms, cuz everything is crazy af
and forza is fortnite of racing games
Heroin isn't a gateway drug. If anything, sim racing is like alcohol; that's the ultimate gateway drug that leads to all other drugs.
Joke's on you, i've got a car as a racing sim
I have a shopping cart as a racing sim
I use a cardboard box as a racing sim.
Wait
I've got a racing sim in my car that I use for a car in my racing sim
Robin, the jokes actually on you, I have both a racing Sim on both consoles and PC and I also have a car which is a BMW E46 that is my racing Sim in real life 😂😂😂😂
The problem with console racing is you may buy a wheel for this generation and the odds are the next generation consoles will require you to buy it again.
valije lol
A console generation lasts like 7 years so a $300 wheel would only cost like 11 cents per day, making it essentially free considering you can easily find 11 cents on the ground each day.
no problem there, i've got my $ 20 gimx adapter ready for ps5, it can emulate anything i want it to
@@jasonvoorhees3666 Brilliant advice. I tried, but unfortunately failed on the second day.
@@jasonvoorhees3666 By that logic you would have had to start finding 11 cents on the ground, per day, starting 7 years ago. doesnt work that way.
The thing about sim racing is that for a relatively small amount of money you are able to drive almost any car you want from the comfort of your home.
Comfort of my home lol. As if the whole point wasnt to make it feel as authentic as possible. Anybody would rather drive the real cars in real environment. But ofc, then your first point sums it up.
@@kingsed91 Of course its not the real thing. It's much better! If you smash a virtual R8 LMS into the wall you can just restart. If you wreck a real one... well, you can run to Mexico and restart your whole existence because its easier than paying the bill.
almost any? all cars.
I want to get into sim racing to learn manual and then be able to drift lol
@@evananimates3247 ugh
Cheapest is to stole a car and just driving around like on an race track.
Steal*
@Matthew Bunn I doubt that
@Matthew Bunn How is it a joke?
@@cytrus3427 cuz I rent it so you drive it fast cuz it’s not urs
And cheaper is going to school
Great insight thank you im 61 years old, and just starting out I've been playing play stations 1 since 1990s plus-2-3-4 now going to ps 5, setting myself up on to a GT omega platform,using a Logitech G25 with shifter, plus 31.5" curved monitor your video very informing
Good to see another old racer! I’m 63!
@@lestercombs1871 My dad is 52 years old and he´s in love with the Audi Sport Quattro!
Good you enjoy PS even at this age kudos 🙏🏻
I think you would need an adapter that’s about 30 aud I would wait for the G29 to go on sale
No age for gaming. True Gamers enjoy it at any age.
Racing sims:
- You need 1000$ for a complete set.
My 1991 Corolla for 400$:
- It's you and me then.
My relatives on my funeral:
- F
Ya'll be playing with PCs and Consoles while im here playing with the arcade machines
Bom nah bro starting off with power wheels, budget friendly af
Oooooo.
Everyone give it up for Bom👏🏼👏🏼 Truly the hero we did not deserve but a hero we needed. Thank you for your service
initial D arcade machines are like 12k
Dude I just love your buttery smooth voice. I find it so calming😌
That’s exactly what I thought. Dude needs to be doing some voiceover work. Be perfect for sleep therapy. When the ladies her him talk their panties fall off !!!
_wtf are you talking about ?_
EnterSkitarii perfect for going through comments to
i wanted to like this but, 69
depressed as always ikr
Chris, I was literally looking at getting my first ever wheel and pedal set. I even went looking on your channel for reviews (only found the shifters) and then you post this! If that's not a sign, what is?
Buy it and then make a youtube channel I'll be your #1 fan
I'll be your #2 fan.
I started sim racing my last year of high school. I had just gotten my first paycheck from McDonald’s. (Around $700) I bought a g29 and hooked it up to my ps4. I used my mother’s ironing board as my “rig” I literally only paid for my g29. Just think outside the box and you can definitely get into sim racing for very cheap.
Palace huge racing fan here. I’ve been having a ps4 since 2015, always dreamed of a wheel but never had the chance to have it before a year ago. Then I found a good occasion from the French amazon, the thrustmaster T150 RS for 120€ (here in Italy they cost at least 170-200€). I got extremely lucky because it also was the exact wheel I was aiming to. Finally got it with my savings, pulled off a shelf under the desk’s surface and adapted it to be a rig. A normal chair is the seat and a rug is the line for putting the pedals. I also had the games already, so it was a super cheap entry.
@TNE Sitra i made less than 500$ in 3 months
700$ at McDonald's?! Wtf
ThatWeirdGuyNamedBes1997 that’s awesome! I forgot to mention that I put weights behind the pedal so that whenever I press the brake the pedal doesn’t move.
LAN Evo I was in high school at the time. Which meant I lived with my parents.
Chris, can you please pin this comment if you feel Lewis Hamilton is better than Michael Schumacher or Ayrton Senna?
I feel bad for the devs when I suggest to wait for the Steam sales... but they come around like clockwork, and it's pretty much a given that AC, AMS and RF will feature some pretty deep discounts. :)
@@ChrisHaye I was told when I worked in a shop, any sell is better than no sell. Sure it's "profit loss", but it's not as big as the profit loss from a customer who doesn't buy at all. (Hence the ridiculous prices you sometimes see in the reduced to clear sections).
i got a friend bought AC Ultimate Edition a day before black Friday, he paid $40. Only to be sale on the day after for $8 here in SEA lol
@@ChrisHaye rf2 always is 15 euro in sales its a steal
Simracers axiom in the, if the wife asks how much that new gear was, just a 100 dollars :p no matter what :)
I've always dreamed of Logitech top wheel (g27, now g29), now when i bought one, they say its a budget one xD wtf i've never seen more expensive one before
Same for me too. G29 costs like one and a half months worth of minimum wage in Turkey. Taxes here is ridicilous.
Ikr
You can easily spend 1500 bucks for a wheel from other brands. Without pedals of course. 😅
@@blackmetal_vinyl omfg
@@blackmetal_vinyl ikr, whenever you step into a new hobby it turns out you can spend unlimited amouts of money 😅
I was thinking of building a driving simulator into my parts car. Use a couple steering dampers hooked to the rack to give the wheel some resistance. Use the the real throttle position sensor and throttle body for feel. It'd be fun to have a sim with doors, windows and a working stereo. Other possibilities are cutting off the front at the firewall and behind the front seats. ATX power supply for 12v and 5v things.
PGTMR2 dude epic! Nothing simulators cars better than well a car!!! Hahahah noice :D
@@icybear21 The beauty of it is, your project car doesn't actually have to work to be fun!
Sound super cool man
Loving people's creativity over here.
Forza is better than GT change my mind...
3yrs later not a single soul tried to bother
both are shit so not much to argue about
3 years and nobody even tries to argue w such a terrible take
PSA: If finding compatible wheels for the PS4 and Turismo is going to break your budget, there's an open source gadget called the GIMX which might help out. It plugs in between the PS4 and your wheel and emulates compatible wheels, so that you can use a cheaper wheel in GT Sport instead of buying an officially licenced wheel ($$$). Knowledge is horsepower.
I've had the G29 with shifter since april. It's held up pretty well so far, but I can tell the motors have gotten a little weaker over time and sound worse during the initial calibration. The wheel can be noisy too, but I don't mind it. They give a 2 year warranty on the wheel anyway so if it goes out on me I can get it repaired or a new one. I currently only play DiRT Rally and GTS on PS4 and it's way better than just using a controller, but make sure you have a sturdy desk.
@Mirsad Redzovic The wheel never gave out on me, and so far hasn't gotten any worse. It does squeak and grumble sometimes like I have seen others mention, but it still feels good.
@@danagibbs3265 hey, how is the wheel nowadays?
@@aeway_ Haven't been using it as much, but it still holds up well when I do
pandemic be like lets double the price of entry wheels
Ye dude
Just started with a DFGT and the OG Assetto Corsa 😂
DFGT + Assetto Corsa gang
Dfgt+gtr2
Alfa and omega of sim racing
Same, started with DFGT, then a G27, and now i have a T500rs and obviously Assetto Corsa.
me 100% but i bought the h shifter from logitech second hand for 20$ then i followed amstudio youtube channel so that you can use it as a usb and dont need to plug it into a g29
Assetto corsa is the game for modders
Hi everyone,
I would like to start from the beginning in sim racing, but I’d like to build a custom pc; could you give me some advice? My hobby is also 3D animations with Blender and that computer would be my daily use. Could I stay around a 1000€-1300€ budget (Logitech G90 included)?
Thank you
head over to reddit.com/buildapc or check out Linus Tech Tips, a recent vid of his has a $1000 build.
My recommendation for you would be as follows-
CPU- AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
Very powerful cpu, will handle just about anything you can throw at it.
Motherboard- MSI B450 tomahawk. My personal mobo, very solid board.
Memory- cheapest 16gb ddr4 3000 or higher you can find
GPU- AMD RX 5700 or 5700 XT
Best value for the money, a great card.
A good power supply, 500+ watts at least 80+ bronze rated.
The case is up to your personal preference, all in all, should cost around $750-$850. You can head over to pcpartpicker.com and play around with the build configurator and gauge pricing. Good luck
Nightshade4120, thank you for suggestions, I’ll research the parts, came out cheaper than I expected
@@b1squitz551 remember that, same as Chris said in this video, sales and second hand market are a thing for PC parts, and the good thing is that there's always people selling because of upgrading, so a little patience and research can get you great deals.
@@Nightshade-dh9fm he could probably make it 32gb ram and still be within budget
lol that guy is really driving from a first race, he is crazy
Used PS3, driving force GT, and a cheap tv. There you go. That's basically my setup.
@Tim GT5 not gta
that wheel held me down for such a long time , drifting on nfs shift was it for me
@@jefe8785 I don't complain until I can afford something better.
if they have a pc already but are unsure if they can run the software, get hold of raceroom, its free.
if you can run raceroom on an old pc, you can run asseto corsa, gtr2 on that too, that also opens up the modding community to them as well.
you can get thrustmaster t150's pretty cheap if you look around, and same with the thrustmaster t3pa pedals too, look for "buy now" deals as they would be mostly old unopened b-stock, so they are practically new units.
wanted to write the same thing, r3e really is the best way to test your pc's performance. And after you made shure that r3e runns on your pc, wait for a sale on assetto corsa. I was recently able to buy the complete game with all DLC's for about 10$. Together with a g27 + wheelstand pro for 80$ (after around 2 weeks of looking for good offers) I am able to really get into simracing + rated online racing with srs for under 100$. ^^
Good advice, I am considering my options now.
@@racingspirit9102 there's deals out there man, just have to be lil patient at times.
I don't think sim racing is pay to win, I think sim racing is pay to have more fun
has been playing racing sims for decades....
"this is much like a gateway drug..."
Well crap... 😂
I play since the first F1GP. Used to do 100% race distance chanpionships too on a wheel I bougth when I was 16 or so ... :D Loads of fun.
Bruh I thought that was someone else talking at the start.The delay makes things weird
11 year old laptop - already have.
Automobilista Ultimate - 6€ in Steam sale.
I started out getting an entry-level Logi Driving Force GT ... already had a gaming PC. Then some time later i found a deal on a used Logi G27. Once I bought it, I realized things were getting serious. This wheel was so much better than my previous DFGT. I had it mounted to my computer desk, but it didn't take long to realize that I needed this mounted firmly. Some time after that I found a deal on a Logi G29 and bought a wheel mount. This was while upgrading my PC. It's worth it! The DFGT was $150, sold it for $80 and bought the G27 for $120 (haven't sold it yet). Bought the G29 with shifter for $200 and the mount for $60. $260 for the G29 and mount is worth it!!
If you're in a situation determining whether to get a G27 or G29, get the G29. They moved the controls off the shifter onto the wheel, and that alone makes it worth it. Leaning over to the shifter to navigate menus got annoying REALLY quickly.
The only complaint I have about the G29 is the shifter costs extra and the price.
It's coming down tho, hoping to snag one soon.
I still have my Driving Force Pro, the predecessor to the Driving Force GT. You had a couple more knobs and buttons that I did, otherwise they were extremely similar, more so than the G27 and G29 even.
@@glenwaldrop8166 If you find a used G29 /w shifter for a good price, pick it up!
@@GlycerinZ Actually found a bundle for $258 a few months ago.
Wish I had jumped on that one.
lol
I just heard the most outrageous and scariest words out of my 8 year old daughter, "dad I want a sim racing system", I almost passed out but my answer was even more crazy, "ok, lets do it", again I almost passed out twice.
YES! The DIY! ...
I was 13... 16 years ago, destroying my sister's boyfriend on the 2x4 rig he built with a ford Taurus seat bolted to the frame... I've been addicted to racing ever since.
Thanks for doing this kind of Sim-Racing Discussion Piece, Chris. And part of the reason I am saying that - was the WHOLE REASON for starting my Channel in the first place. As I bought a Logitech Driving Force GT on a runout sale, for around $70. And so I just wanted to show beginners, that you could still get a Top 50 to Top 20 time (inc RSR) on a cheap non-nonsense wheel................................................................................ provided you were willing to practice.
P.S. I've seen a lot of good (& bad - my ones ; ) transitions in my time - but your transition @ 1:17 was amazing... just saying ; )))
The Driving Force GT is enough for starting, great wheel!
Been a huge of racing games since Gran Turismo on PS1. It was only when GT Sport came out that I decided to finally buy a wheel and pedals. Got the G29 and built my own rig out of PVC pipe and the passenger seat of an old Focus. Materials for the rig cost me about £25. While it's obviously not as rigid (could probably be with better design, but I just winged it) as a metal or wood rig, it does the job great and it's incredibly light. After about an hour with the wheel I was shattering my best times done with the controller.
In total, the whole racing rig cost me about £235 and was worth every penny. Clocked up over 40,000 miles on GT Sport, wheel, pedals and rig still going strong. Anyone who loves their racing and is toying with the idea of going for a wheel, do it!
I've been sim racing for 4 years. why am I watching this
11:01 Heel and toe looks so hard to do
It's actually not that difficult. Once you get into "rythm" it basically becomes muscle memory
It's much harder in a real car tho
I thought so to but now it’s easy. 1991 Mazda Miata it’s my daily driver so I’ve had lots of practice and you’ll get the hang of it if you just practice doing it and getting a rhythm like Filip mentioned.
I flipped my pedals around and it makes it easier and it looks sick
Yeah it looks but ive learned it and its easy as that. Trust me really. Try it
@@filipprucnal I know its easy once you learn it, but it's really hard to learn it
Don’t use a damn Logitech steering wheel for a sim. Use a thrustmaster. They are cheeper and their force feedback is better
@Quail Man so is thrustmaster...I have pretty much have any sim racer and my t80 works fine...I've even used it on GTA races lol
@Quail Man yessir
No... Thrustmaster gets better when you get to T300 level. otherwise G29 etc. is best budget.
@@MrRiingo no....for casual and beginner sim drivers t80 is great... I've seen them as low as 49 brand new
@@tommyhil7331 It doesn't matter how low you've seen them, the quality of the others is much better and worth the price
it looks more expensive in my case .. because it's looks getting more high prices when I search on used g29 ... etc may covd19 did the trick
Yeah at the prices that G29 or T300's are going for you could buy a Fanatec Club Sport Wheel and Base with a Club Sport Elite pedal set.
I got a T80 from Walmart about a month ago, was only 70$ brand new. It works fine and still fun but want to get a better one when I can. I didn't know anything about sim racing until I bought my wheel and looked up a video on how it works and getting addicted fast lol going to the junk yard tomorrow if they are open to get a car seat and middle council, maybe dashboard too
There's one argument I feel should be addressed when discussing getting a wheel for any current console at this moment in time. Transitioning from either Xbox 360 to One or PS3 to PS4 required buying a new wheel as none of the old ones would be compatible with current hardware. As far a I know it is unclear yet, if this will happen again with the upcoming transition into PS5/Series X, so I'd rather wait before getting a wheel for a current gen console.
Also, finally subscribed to the channel. :)
This is where controller adapters come in, there's no need to buy a brand new wheel.
@@GrrSaidTheWolf Agreed. But they became available only quite a while after the consoles were released, weren't they? And they are not exactly plug-and-play. So, to someone just starting out I'd still mention the possibility of added hassle.
Exactly, getting a wheel now is not the best idea due to this
The Xbox Project X team has confirmed that all last Gen hardware and software will be compatible, so a G920 should be a safe buy if you are planning on using it on the upcoming console
@@GrrSaidTheWolf Also, they May add input lag
Absolutely fantastic video Chris, thank you. With the cancellation of what looks to be much of the upcoming racing season, I'm researching sim racing for the first time in my life and watching your video was not only super helpful to a total newbie like me, but also made me feel such immense gratitude for being able to do it for real. Thanks for both. Subscribed.
My first sim rig was made with a Ikea "Pello" chair. Perfect seating position and only $70.
Sim racing and cheap is a complete opposite especially when the wheel recommended for starters is £250
Lockdown premium. Can’t see them anywhere for less than £240 at present, when they were £165ish at time of this review.
Indeed, but I just got a 12 year old Logitech GT on my PC (paid 40) as a cheap setup
Is the Tmx a better choice now? Seems the price of the g29 went up £100.
I just bought the Logitech g29 thinking it's the top notch simulator
Boy was I wrong
But, do you like it?
Can I use the G29 on Xbox? Or would i have to get 2 wheels, one for PS4 and one for Xbox. I'm planning on sim racing GT Sport and Forza
Look into the GIMX adaptor to run one wheel on both systems
@@SR20DETdd thanks
I just want to upgrade from my G27 but the only wheel that would be considered an upgrade would be the T300 RS or better but those wheels cost almost 3x the price I paid for my G27 (£80). Not to mention the fact that they don't even come with a shifter and any option other than the Logitech shifter will cost another £150. Even though the G27 doesn't necesarily lower my lap times, it doesn't provide consistency, detailed FFB and imersion, and if you are drifiting the G27 does lack the rotational speed you may need with some cars while drifting. I hope Logitech decides to make a new wheel soon that is belt driven and more accesible to budget concerned consumers because I feel like there are many people who want something right in the middle of the t300rs and the g29.
Drifting is a really good point. I'm no drifter, but when I had the G29 to test, I did find the rotational speed really lacking.
I have a G29. I'm thinking I'll bide my time until I can afford maybe a CSL Elite. The T300 doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade and besides I'm a bit worried about the reported failure rate of TM wheels.
really the only reason to upgrade for me is the deadzone. On the g27 I constantly noticed it on the straits whereas on the t300rs I can only feel a deadzone if I intentionally feel for it
@@Marco-vp8wl But in my case if I were to upgrade to a T300 RS I would have a deadzone in my wallet.
Costi
You need to make some sim racing UA-cam vids and try to make some money from your “hobby” then use the money to upgrade your gear later. That or just save , save , save buddy.
i think i need to make "how to start sim racing as cheap as possible" by myself, i know noone will pay attention but, you can do it really cheaper... aim on old wheels, and not on new ones, buy wheel from ebay or something like that, seat is not a need, its just for flex it doesnt add anything, you dont need 3 pedal set as most cars has sequential transmission so the clutch is useless, your wheel should have at least 90 degree on both sides, force feedback is also a need, as it gives you much beter idea of what the car is doing and you will feel beter too, so basically only thing u need is decent wheel, and pedals, shifter and handbrake are just for flex and so is the seat gloves and things like this, i recommend Logitech driving force, or logitech formula force, or logitech driving force ex, these wheels you can get easily for 40 euros and if you are lucky enough you can get them even for 10 euros :) i have 400+ hours on racing games mostly dirt rally series, and its absolutely fine, i dont need anything else, i mean like i would like to have beter wheel but its price is absolutely retarded if you think what it takes to make a wheel...
Thanks
My recomendation for "starting off"
Get Assetto Corsa on PC, and use mouse steering. It's not the best by far but it gives you a good idea for how to control cars and how to counter steer and how to use visual queues to tell what the car is doing
i second the notion! but you forgot they shouldd tune the mouse sensitivity first
also adding that this is your "prologue" setup and the next step is to buy a very cheap (maybe also old) used force feedback wheel!
@@Marc-zi4vg Oh absolutely, but that's common sense, like how you'd adjust sensitivity in any game
And for sure, get a wheel ASAP
@@Marc-zi4vg you can even do a prologue of the prologue with live for speed.
I found AC to be surprisingly playable on a controller if you’re experienced enough with a controller. Same for pCars2. As a kid I always used a controller on Burnout, older F1 games, Gran Turismo etc. and when I started to pick up racing games and play them a bit more again with F1 2016 a few years back I just turned off all assists and tried to get used to it. At the time, I could easily manage everything (no ABS, no racing line, etc.) except no traction control, but throughout the years I learnt how to do that as well. I think I’m pretty competitive for being on a controller compared to most other people on the F1 games and even though I’m not *as* good in pCars2, I still often got compliments on my speed and racecraft from people who were impressed and surprised I use a controller to play a wheel-oriented game and manage to do fairly well. The hardest part without feedback like you have in a wheel is consistency. You often don’t feel the tires dropping off, the grip levels changing etc. and you need to do this by intuition and visuals which is very hard at first. You also need to be very precise with all your inputs (braking, throttle and steering) since moving the stick even half a centimeter can throw the car off-balance. Thats the key; being smooth.
TL;DR - using a controller on sim/casual racing games is very much possible and enjoyable if you know what you’re doing so if you don’t have money for a wheel (yet) its definitely something to try
I want to get the G29 so badly.
My wheel for Iracing has no force feedback and only turns 90 degrees, and is loose as hell
-i still have 27 wins tho-
Dude just brought mine few hours back from a store and i have to say its fucking awesome coming from a pad..
@@thisuraD
That's good
Literally I only have paddle shifters
It works, but I need something better
you should save a little more and get the thrustmaster t300 rs, the logitech wheels have a 15 degree force feedback deadzone at center...
if you still go for logitech, make sure you dont leave it connected when not in use.
@@groggygreg1063
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
You know Thrustmaster T150 Pro is better right?
Me with my 100 dollar wheel and pedals off of Amazon
You also have a shifter?
Gaining a competitive advantage is true but it’s also not. Tho you don’t gain a time advantage, you do gain feel and consistency which as a whole makes you faster and have better lower times
I’m not even interested in racing games but I love this hard work on putting this video together.
Track days arent that expensive nor are the brakes tbh for the more expensive sim racing rigs you can def track your car cheaper than you can with a20 or 30k rig and thats with modding your car too
My t150 work fine! And after 200h in assetto corsa I'm fast enough to laugh at my friend with his 3000$ cockpit...
They can't buy driving skills 🤗. I drive also with an T150 pro and I am also better then the most with higher equipment 🙃
What made you guys choose the T-150 over the g29/g290?
I’m torn between which to get :/
@@Generictingz95 the Price to be Honest, it was on sale... Thats about it, I dont regret it though!
Jérémy Drouin oh I see, as strange as it may sound I love the way the g29 looks but I hear the t-150 pro is better (less noisy and clunky and a few other things people mention)
Me sitting here already with a budget setup
I've been on scene since GT 1. Was quite advanced given the hardware at the time. Forza is decent with great replay ability. iRacing is an awesome platform, the best sim, but in my experience on iRacing, theres a lot of upper class racers mingling with newcomers and then complaining that they are inadequate and turning new racers off from the platform.
For the price of g29 I can buy an entire engine for my car where I live :p
fila1445 well the problem is the place you live then, not the price of the wheel
@@johnnymcthunderbolt6670 I'm not gonna move just to play some video games :p
The virtual reality is full immersion if you have a wheel and rig setup, even a cheap one is full immersion, and I first got mine I got tricked into reaching for the gear shift and I only have the menu music on and I sat back you put my arm on the window and it wasn't there I thought I'd play cool by sitting back listening to music with my arm on the but the door was not there..lol, that part may not work but when you're racing it's full immersion, driving and flying and even a Mech rig is fully immersion with virtual reality. PlayStation is what I have
What
@@perrylee8998 sorry, voice typing, I fixed it
Sim racing is like wine. You can spend a lot but cheap and expensive gets you drunk equally.
Hey, advice for frugal racers like me about screens: You can live without 3screens and VRs using a 27" or even a 24, putting the monitor REAL close to the G29, almost over the 2 clamp knobs. Doing that you can use low FOV views and still see both wheel arches and apexes quite well. Mount the screen on a sturdy desk, and use those monitor arms to move the screen over and back when you need to work or study with it. Normally cockpits need 43"s because the screen is a hand behind the wheel.
Instead of a DIY PVC cockpit I suggest get a door, 2 trestles and some 3d printed chair brakes. You can get a pretty strong desk to play and study without the need of having a too focused furniture in your house.
One of the top GT sport players uses a controller.....just saying.
Yeah but he's kind of a freak lmao, extremely hard and near impossible to do what he can on a controller. Even if most people practised for a decade they'd still probably get nowhere near his pace.
I use a 7 yr old laptop with integrated graphics, connected to a 10 yr old television as a monitor via HDMI, and a 2nd hand Logitech Driving Force EX (an upgrade from my previous second hand non-force-feedback Microsoft Sidewinder wheel). I play rFactor 1, Game Stock Car Extreme, Race 07, GTR2, Richard Burns Rally, and Live for Speed. Very cheap setup, and I'm slow, but I have fun. Anyone can get into the hobby without spending too much money if they're content with older games and equipment.
I highly recommend the logitech Driving Force GT as a entry level FFB wheel. I picked one up for £25 in like new condition not too long ago and what a bargain, absolutely great wheel. Already got my monies worth
Why is everyone ignoring the crew 2 ? Is very good game guys lol
I play it and I have a really cheap wheel less than €80 and it's so fun
If I could give everyone a single recommendation coming into sim racing it would be that if you don't already have a console, build a cheap pc. There's an almost unlimited amount of hrs worth of driving content with better graphics, wheel support and so many more titles. With ryzen and rx cards or nvidias 1050 or 1060 prices now it's so cheap to build a pc that is more than enough for sim racing for about the cost of a new Xbox One X and a game or 2. If you already have a console and aren't really serious about sim racing then I would by all means just go with that till the bug bites and you do want to plunge in deeper to sim racing. Great vid as always Chris!
yes. But a used console is like 80 bucks, while a cheap entry level gaming PC is at least double that (even if you buy used). I'm a PC gamer myself, but I can see how some people just can't (or don't want to) spend that much money.
@@Arokh1997 um, unless you're talking about getting an ebay console and taking that chance a used xbox one s runs about $150. Factor in the cost of games for console and after buying a couple games even used you're going to be well over $200. You can easily run any sim on basically junk hardware unless you want vr. Even my old thinkpad with an i5 can run assetto and r3e with decent graphics. Once you factor in the cost of games an older used pc is the better value. I can get the advantage a console has over a pc in the same price range for general gaming use but like I said if you're focused on sim racing and don't have a console, pc is a better starting point. Consoles are just way too limited in sim racing content and what they do get has so much dumbed down, liked locked fov, interface latency, and general wheel support trying to sim race on a console gets extremely frustrating in it's limitations in a short period of time. Especially once you come to the realization you could have bought a cheap used workstation, tossed a $100 graphics card in, maybe a little ram and have a machine that can handle any of the current titles very easily. You add in the amazing amount of great mod content available for free for titles that are already insanely cheap and the pc really pulls away.
@@jkalash762 console is still cheapest option. Most people have them already. Even if you dont you can find first gen ps4's on facebook for about 50 bucks like he said. AC 10 bucks, PC2 15 bucks, GT Sport 20 bucks. It's the best option for budget. 1st gen PS4 is perfectly capable of running these games well, I have played them. I mainly use my PC though because my ps4 setup has no good place to mount my wheel.
I also prefer PC to console anyday, but you have to spend a significantly larger amount of money to get the superior quality of gameplay that people often talk about.
@@ryno7425 the cheapest ps4 you can find on FB anywhere remotely near my area is $185. Plus I said if you don't have a console already. At this point in time going into the next gen of consoles with the cost of a second gen ryzen and rx graphics cards buying a console that dated at that type of cost isn't worth it. I mainly use xbox and have dumped all the money on that side of things and I can say from first hand experience it isn't the money saver people think. Especially when you factor in the life span of a console to even an entry level gaming pc today. A basic pc with a ryzen 2600 and an rx580 is a very cheap build and can run any sim title at graphics well beyond what a console can until you go up to the one x. I have an ancient pentium 4 with and old nvidia card in it that will even run assetto or r3e.
it sucks right now because the G29 or G920 are both out of stock EVERYWHERE. Some third party sellers have them on Amazon but they're selling them for above MSRP
Ever since I bought Logitech G29 as my first wheel, I am recommending it to anyone as a stater wheel. It'll serve you well until you decide if you want to go on with sim racing or not.
Second this, But I am using my second G29 since my first one (Month after launch) broke within 2 years of moderate use. Buttons just stopped working but the analog was still there.
And yea, For around $300 if you include the shifter it's one of the best entry wheel I have ever used!
@@haaxxx9 i had one. couldnt stand the clunky movements.
then got a t300rs and thats a half and half belt , gear drive.
so smooth. then.,...i tried a friends fanatec 2.5 club sport belt drive....ugh amazing
MrControversy have you used a t-150, I’m torn between deciding the g29 and the T150 pro
Generic1995 type tingz I haven’t used the t150 sorry. I’d save the money and buy a T300rs.i love mine.
@@mrcontroversy222 Was the Fanatec the best of the lot? I've previously owned the original driving force gt, then the Thurstmaster T500 rs but never had a go on the fanatecs.
If I can give a starter any tip. Buy a cheap wheel but good pedals. If you cannot afford that buy at least a wheel pedal combination that allows you to use the wheel separat from the pedals so that you can later get better pedals ans still use the wheel. Pedal control is so much more important than a wheel. To be honest most expensive wheels barely feel exordinarily better that their cheapo counterparts. It´s just the material and the price tag. But Fanatec pedals for example give you so much more control than any cheapo Logitech plastic pedals that you will instantly will get better times.
Chris good job in the video I remember first getting started in sim racing when I got PC2 drove the IndyCar a lot in Long Beach. Few months forward I saw someone streaming iRacing on Twitch which lead me to getting iRacing and trying it out. I am very happy that I am sticking with iRacing and my Thrustmasters TMX Force Feedback wheel with the the TH8A Shifter and the T3PA Pedals add on and I'm happy with my purchases.
dude you dont know what cheap means really. Please, if you want it cheap, go buy a speedlink drift oz for 40 bucks and the game pass and go play forza and f1. Its 1 dollar/euro first month and after that 10. You can also buy a game, there are cool options for cheap out there that may not be a sim but things like burnout are 10 bucks on g2a. Much fun
Bro this guy sounds like a professional presenter, his voice is so soothing
You don't have to have a g29. You can use a G27 because for a 200 price difference, the g29 isn't worth it and the G27 will always be awesome since it's cheap but high quality and a tiny bit more deadzone.
If you’re starting out on the PC pictured, you’re gonna have a bad experience. Haha
What wheels for £600-£650 are good as I personally hate the Logitech wheels and I’m looking for a better experience any suggestions ?
"you've been warned" hahah I'll pretend I wasn't warned, thankyou.
You can do some karting much cheaper than buying a direct drive wheel a SIM cockpit etc but it doesn't take long for things to add up and you can jump on your SIM rig every day if you wanted to after work whatever that's my take on it
I got into sim racing when I found a Driving Force GT at Salvation Army for $20. I didn't even realize what a score it was at the time. I already had a gaming PC, so I was in for peanuts. Probably would have never started otherwise.
Stephen Putnick I bought my DFGT for €140 😂
@@SN13K3R Yeah I got really lucky. I didn't know anything about sim racing at the time. I didn't know what FFB was or anything. I just thought, "this might be fun", and I got it. I have a T300 now but the DFGT served me well.
Stephen Putnick Same! That’s good to hear, I’ve got a T300 too now haha
Super calming voice man but the videos on the screen are very boring. I would much more likely be able to stay attentive if I seen the camera on your face talking like in the begenning. Makes it more personable and more natural.
Other than that, everything's great!
4:19 why is my guys left foot on the brakes lmfao
So he can drift round corners
@@bort_4202 you do know drifting is about clutch / handbrake control not foot brake control lol
JAWZ actually if you tune your diff right you can drift with left foot braking
I've seen some of the best drifters on the planet I've personally encountered in assetto corsa shred with 70$ ebay wheels with 2 pedals and outshine dudes with motion Sims.
My accelerator is my right finger, my brakes my left finger, my steering wheel is a little stick with a indentation for a thumb in the top.
Nobody cares about your little stick
@@jf6720 What about my big stick
@@jrag1000 👀
I love driving but I don’t want to spend money on gas or tires, put more miles in my car, nor be annoyed with other dummies on the road. Also I want to learn how to drive manual since my family doesn’t drive manual.
"...when things are going---less well..."
and now everything is 4x the price!! I've done two seasons in iRacing with an xbox contoller. Sticking to Miata's its within my skill and controller. Would like to get a wheel before next season and jump up to faster cars but with a controller its not fair. I need the feedback to handle those cars and I wouldnt wanna be all over the place when racing.
This dudes voice is so soothing wtf
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Why are you projecting? Gayyyyy?محمد منصف
He isn’t wrong about the discounts on games like assetto in ehich I bought for 6 dollars and is normally 40
that little foot move at 11:00 has me reconsidering how much i want to get good at virtual racing
Heel Toe
I run Assetto corsa on the lowest setting possible except resolution and i own a wheel with no force feedback but i still have a lot of fun so you really don't need to spend a lot to have fun
If you have a slower PC you might want to try Automobilista, that runs great.
@ i still get over 25 fps in a full field of cars so i am fine with it
Jashanjeet Singh Jhajj
Exactly. It’s about the level of fun you want, and your commitment to a hobby that none of us are getting rich from lol.
Review was great! Those smooth, heel-toe down shifts at 11:01 tho... 10/10
I used a t80 wheel on my ps4 with a small moniter and all of this was on a small kitchen table which i got for $20 so o started somewere
i cant even get a used logitech driving force gt on a reasonable price in my country
R8 Did you ever get a wheel?
Love your videos mate great detail and helped me to buy my own g920 and I love it 😀
First time on this channel, dude that voice !
what's the thrustmaster alternative to g29? he mentioned it but didn't say what it was. @chris haye
Good stuff man I was almost sad when it was over
look i play Assetto Corsa on pc with a ps4 controller, and im able to race quite well, my only gripe is it can get a little twitchy at times, and a wheel WOULD help with that, and make inputs smoother..but if you cannot budget a wheel and can only use a controller..do not fret..you can race perfectly fine against other drivers with some practice..a wheel won't make you any better..its all on you..some of the fastest drivers out there use key board and mouse, so if you like sims and only got a controller..go ahead and pull the trigger on it and drive your heart out, you wont be disappointed
I’ve had wheels for years, I’m still slow. It’s fun though!
I was an avid Gran Turismo player on playstaion back in the days of PS1s and PS2s in my teens. That aspect of my life has impacted me so much that I consider myself an excellent driver on real life roads. So far, I have been thinking of doing some sim racing as a hobby again. I just want to compliment you on the effort and presentation that you put into all your videos, to the point where it is absolutely nothing underneath that of a professional standard. Thanks for your dedication. Much respect from Trinidad. Keep doing what you do.
I'm like you on playing it back in the day with my PS2 & PS3. But I still play Gran Turismo on a PS4 pro with a Logitech G29 steering wheel setup. You Need to get back into it the graphics are way better than in the past and over all experience .By the way I'm 54 years old and still enjoy playing after work and on weekends!!
WOW because of Covid-19 the prices of these wheels are all $300+
The explanation was perfectly clear and right-minded. Thank you for the advises. I'm french and that's pretty much rare when i understand a entire video 👌👏
I bought a G923, and I was using it on the PC. I quickly realized that setting up the wheel (even if it should be compatible with the game) was a nightmare, so I bought a PS5 and Gran Turismo(I only play arcade type racing games). The G923 felt very different physically and mentally without any compatibility or driver issues. It just worked. I'll get a direct drive wheel for my PC one day, but how they utilized low-mid end controllers on the PS5 is insane.
Gran turismo isn't arcade or at least not arcade compared to forza horizon
Absolute class yet again, Chris.
Don’t like Forza Motorsport 7 or Project Cars 2. Forza 7 only feels right with a Xbox controller, the game is worse with a wheel. Project Cars 2’s physics is just plain wrong.