This video is spot on. I was set on getting a Q3. Came to my senses and picked up the A7CR with the same exact 24mm f2.8 sony lens. So happy with that decision. The only thing I've been after still is the Leica color science and you just solved that for me. Sony all day.
@@nicolasheinemusic Got you, misread your comment. Yes, unfortunately the Sony lens doesn’t stop down to f1.7 but I also picked up the zeiss 55mm f1.8 and it’s smooth 😮💨
@@spencertclements Yes - I own this lens and pair it with my A7C quite often. It's a great lens, the only thing that bothers me, is that it's pretty long and does not fit easily into any pocket for everyday use. That's why I just bought a Samyang 35mm 2.8. Even the Sony 24mm 2.8 is pretty long. The samyang is the shortest and least heavy 🙂... also it didnt cost too much.
Good stuff and well done. Ditto for the Fuji envy crowd. The real point of this is how adaptable and customizable the A7 series is. Not just to wannabe but developing a true individual style with high level features. The ROI on the Sony's and their open-protocol with 3rd parties is unbeatable.
I swapped my EOS R6 with RF24-70 2.8 for a Leica Q2. I couldn't be happier as the camera is so much handier and lighter when traveling. Since I mostly take wide-angle photos, the lack of focal length doesn't bother me at all. I just feel like I'm holding perfection in my hands and that makes taking photos even more fun.
Some people swap A for B and couldn't be happier. While other people swap B for A and couldn't be happier. What does it tell us? -- confirmation bias, pure and simple.
@@marximus4 you can't compare the RF28 2.8 with the Leica Summilux 28 1.7 :D - the cheap Canon RF lenses have never convinced me and the lack of water protection is just as bad as the STM motor
I used to have a Leica Q2 alongside my A7RIV. I sold both and picked up the A7RV and A7CR instead. I love this set-up. I have the menus, custom and function buttons near identical. For professional work, I use the A7RV with my GM zooms or fast primes. For travel or discrete cityscape and street shooting, I take the A7CR with a couple of my compact Sigma I-series primes. No regrets letting go the Leica.
Hello Chris, I have a question for you. You have both the A7RV and A7CR, so did you feel the lack of the a7cr's 2 fps compared to the a7rv's 10 fps? Thank you in advance
I like the video, but for me there are two more pros to the Leica: the depth-of-field scale on the lens, which is missing on the Sony lens, and the simplicity of the body, whereas the Sony is the usual collection of dials and buttons. Now, personally I think the Q is overpriced for what it is because as you say, other than the Leica colors, it really doesn’t result in images you can’t capture with tons of other cameras.
Dude thank you for that! I saw a video a few weeks ago with some macro shots in their b roll and I was like “damn I should get a macro lens.” Found one on fb marketplace and got it the next day. Very pleased with the added oomph it gives
Great video and great set up. But….. it’s all about having the tilt screen not a swivel screen. Makes a huge difference to nailing shots quickly. I sold my Q2 because I need a tilt screen. How about a Fuji X-T5?
Been shooting the a7cr and the 24mm for several months and love it. So much versatility than the Q3. Even tempted to switch from canon to Sony full time. Looking forward to checking out your preset.
Wait for the next time if it‘s pouring rain. I know a wildlife photographer having even two a1 bodies and took them for outdoor shooting. During a little bit of rain, after 15 minutes, the a1 stopped working - the camera was advertised as flag ship, being rain and dust proof, remember? The camera was still under warranty and Sony Service Austria claimed she dumped the camera into water - what she didn’t do of course - and Sony wanted her to pay € 3500 to fix that a1. The old adage is still true: „Buy a Sony, buy yourself a lot of problems!“ - specially if it comes to support, service and warranty. - The first shooting I had with my Leica SL2-S and APO-Summicron-SL 2.0/75 - the day I picked it up - was an outdoor event and it was double-pouring rain. Guess what: zero issues. That’s a camera.
@@rolandrickphotography on the flip side I've taken my A7C out on week hikes in the rain, offroad adventures in the mud, and this last winter on the ski slopes, all with zero issues. Sony makes very solid products and sounds more like your friend messed up a gasket or something.
@@ItsMeHammie Well, looks like you had more luck with your A7C as my fellow photography friend with her a1. FYC, the water entered the body of her a1 by the shutter button. That was the reply of the Sony Service and obsoletes claiming she dumped the camera. If that would have been the case, there would have been water also everywhere else. I envy the Sony shooters for the AF, but not for the lousy customer service mentality they have.
@@rolandrickphotography well, you would have zero problems with an r5 and an L lense as well for much cheaper :-) Also, funny how austrians are assholes to their own people, I thought they just don't like foreigners :-)
I agree this is a very nice combo- Two things missing- The simplicity of Leica menus- It’s a joy to use compared to Sony- also the ability to shoot non PASM. Need to adjust shutter, do it, need to adjust Aperture, do it, need to change ISO, do it. All while keeping the other piece of the triangle in auto or manual mode. One of the biggest pluses so rarely talked about. I would also miss the 1.7 lens but there are some trade offs- Good stuff
This is top tier content for compact camera reviews. This has helped me decide on getting the Sony 7cr and although I don't have the money for a leica now, your review has helped me in pursuing one as a 2nd or 3rd option for a fun camera to have in the future. Thank you for this amazing video! Keep it up as I just subscribed and liked the video.
What’s great about the Q (which is also true about Fuji X100, Sony RX1, etc.) is that the lens can’t be changed. The A7Cs are amazing but the temptation to get more lenses once I have an interchangeable lens body in hand is scary! Fixed lens cameras help me stay in control 😂
Similar to why I got the Fuji XT30II with 27mm 2.8 instead of waiting for the Fuji X100VI. Also, with it being more targeted to a family/edc set up, it’s nicer to transfer the smaller files and upload to social media. Great comparison between the Leica and Sony! 👍🏻
I sold all my Sony cameras and lenses and bought the Q3, then an M monochrome. I couldn't be happier. Sure, you can make an A7C (or other body) handle somewhat similar to a Q3, and get similar image quality. The pixel count is certainly available on the Sony, and the A7C is one of their most portable cameras. But that isn't the point. Using a Leica is a different experience than handling a Sony, or most other digital cameras. With most of them, I feel more like a computer operator, forever scrolling through menus and tweaking custom functions. The Leica allows you to look and shoot. Then there's the quality of the glass and the color palette Leica uses. A different experience in just about every way. It's the little things that count, the details, the experience, and when those are all added up, they justify the extra expense, which will soon be forgotten anyway.
Agreed! That was my justification when I was thinking about a Q3 for walkabouts. I ended up getting this exact combination (A7CR + 24mm G lens) but with the added benefit of my whole collection of other Sony lenses. I still love the idea of the Q3, but I personally can't justify it for my own use case. Also, I'd be more willing to get reckless with my Sony camera than I would with the Q3. It'll be like how I treat my dress watches when I get anywhere near a body of water - even though they're technically rated for the splash, I'd hate for a piece of seaweed to gently brush the bracelet, leaving a scratch half the width of a strand of hair that you can only see under microscope lol.
Sony had their 'Leica Q' formula in production with the RX1R and later RX1Rmkii and a great shame they stopped producing these cameras. I own both the RX1R 24MP and RX1Rmkii 42MP and the Zeiss Sonar T lens and sensor combo produces very detailed images with super micro contrast (helped no doubt by the lack of anti aliasing filter on the RX1R and variable AA filter on the mkii). The images output from the Sony's are slightly better than by Leica Q2.
I hope for a mk3 and I’m a Leica shooter… I would get one and use both my Leica M and the RX1mk3 for different purposes but seems like they’ve abandoned the format… which is weird cause Sony makes so many different models of everything
The A7cr is replacing my Leica Q and with the 40mm G lens I have the Q with my preferred focal length. Yet, I can attach the 50/1.2 or the 12-24/2.8 giving me one body with tremendous versatility and outstanding IQ. Thank you for the profile, I find Leica colors get in the way more often than not, with digital colors are very malleable.
I've got the Q Full Spectrum, Q2 Mono and Q3 ... Sony A7C2. Gave my photographer son my X100VI system ... two different wide angle adapters. Right now the A7C2 is The Winner ... best AF.
As a Q3 owner of 6 months, and having watched soooo many Q3 videos before investing, this is video great! I shoot Sony A7r4 and A7s3 as well. Just spent 3 weeks on the streets in India with the Q3 as my stills camera. I’m 53 and am a professional, so the Q3 was a treat, and a bit of a “coming of age”. There are many things I missed, auto focus was a the big one. But for the first time I tried to learn manual focus and how to do it properly and that was fun. The Q3 is flawed. But damn it is a lovely camera to use when you get in the groove. Thanks for the great video mate.
I do think the Q3 has a special quality to it that is hard to replicate even though it’s very flawed as you mention. As a compact travel / everyday carry camera… it’s just so enjoyable. I’ve lately been bringing my fx3 and q3 as my two cameras, and really enjoy the combo. But I know it’s not a practical camera for 99% of people, so figure this video would help give a more reasonable alternative for most folks
@@quantum_ocean I'm guessing because of the price compared to what it can do vs the competition. It really doesn't make sense to buy on paper. It's a luxury camera.
Sony Shooter for 10+ yrs professionally.. shot the Fuji x100v since the day it came out. loved the size and feel of the Fuji x100v but focusing and low light were the wall I kept hitting with it. I got a Q3 in Sept of 2023.. I really wanted to hate it.. the more i shoot it, the more i see its "charm." There is something special about the lens.. especially when you convert the images to BW. there is just some little glow in the highlights.. its heavy.. kinda clunky but easy to use once you get used to it. yes is super expensive.. its not for everyone.. but for some (me) its really a special camera.
Kudos on the video. I've owned both. The main thing I miss about my Q is the lens and the file processing. The lens that renders the closest to the Leica for the Sony is the Batis 25mm. The colors have been elusive for me.
I use the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 with my a7cr. It is fantastic. I get 20mm to 60mm with crop mode. At night I use the 35mm f1.8. Both are great combinations.
I bought the Leica Q when I had my child. The pics I took with it outshine my Fujis and now Canon r6mii even with the $3200 rf2870. The Summilux just has a feeling thats hard to explain. I sold it and now Im chasimng the feeling again but at $6k its not happening. This seems like a better route because I want to dump Canon anyways for a more versatile lens mount. One thing Sony doesnt have is the insane engineering...the Leica feels absolutely premium in hand. Also....most Leica guys want a 35mm Q so something to think about. My Q had a flat stealth cover from Etsy which was well worth it.
Great video Kyle, sold my M11 35lux, 35cron, 50cron. Went Sony a7cR and love it, still miss the M clic. But my hit rate is way up. Subscribed, keep them coming.
Thank you so much! I had the Q3 and loved it. But the 28 really turned out as a more 25mm Like.. and now swapped it for the CR. As I’m a Sony Shooter. For sure, the haptics are now where near the Q3, but finally I‘m happy with the Sony (with the 35 1.8 attached). All thanks to your Leica to Sony Profile for LR!! Nice Job!!
The Leica's local contrast is something that other manufacturers haven't gone for - instead going for local definition (can't have em both - laws of physics and all of that). For that reason, they will not looks the same but you can get close. With my Leica, I took a picture of a steam engine at a station and have that as my lock screen on my phone and several people have seen it and said 'That looks good ... [pause for a couple of seconds whilst looking at the image more closely] ... No, that actually is good.' Leica glass is what makes the images. The sensor is only secondary and the body basically holds it all together whilst it stops stray light getting in. Leica designed glass is what you need - some mobile phone company had that for a while and many people where impressed.
You talk as Sony glass or Sony sensor is not capable of it. I love leica, feeling and other non tangible things it have. But Sony is better option practically in every single spec compared to. Having both I use more the Sony, give me the capability of using other lenses that increase quality of images a lot when you dont want a 28mm
I really enjoyed your video and I can't understand the Leica fan boys. I think they were offended when you said that the Leica Q3 is a camera for those who have a lot of money to spend on a hobby. In any case, I would pair the Sony A7CR with a Voightlander E-Series lens (35 mm f1.4 or 21 mm f3.5) to "replicate" the look of the Q3 but, to be honest, I bought the A7CR precisely because, in my opinion, the camera is superior to the Q3.
I’m just doing some research and both these cameras are too much money and more camera than I need. But man, awesome video and providing the color profiles (that look absolutly spot on)for your viewers is really cool!
I'll say this I've been told many times my q3 photos in b/w and my sl2 in b/w were some of the best photos they had ever seen. Straight out of camera. The q3 is just fast at the end of the day instant gratification and you don't rly need to edit much
Hello, Leica fanboy here. I own a Leica Q since 2016, it replaced my other camera gear (I had lots) and it has been my primary camera since. To note: I am colourblind and I also don't care about the technical details, i.e. colors rendered, lowest noise, etc etc. What matters for me is the ease of use and simplicity. i also don't want to worry about which lens to chose. the Q lens is not my favourite choice (35mm would), but I learned to use and it made me more creative. Of course technical feature like IQ matter, it just needs to be really good. The Q has been the best camera I've ever owned.
What makes the Leica Q stand out are the optics. Period. No other lens compares. If you want to get a Q much cheaper, buy a Q first gen used. Stunning performance still today. Plus, I personally believe that having a 60 MP is more of a disadvantage compared to the original Q. Surely these are my personal views but the result of having used the Q extensively, being utterly satisfied and feeling no urge whatsoever to switch. Oh, and did I mention the Sony's awkward menu structure?
Neat comparison. But, it's all about the power of branding - something I learnt as a junior brand manager, many decades ago. Ha ha, no matter what you do it's still about the intangible, certain something, feel and aura that the "real" thing bestows (whatever the genre of operation and brand in question). All else is somehow just slightly inferior and, to some, it matters. Brands speak to us and help to reinforce our value set and aspirations. Leica is just one of those absolutely iconic brands. Sony is a great brand too, but different. Sony can't ever really quite match the Leica look and feel (nor can Nikon or Canon). But equally, Leica can't quite match a Sony either. They are in some ways close in other respects just different. Probably you know who you are and which camera/brand you want! Dare I say that in some respects a Leica might seem less desirable, if it were offered for less cost? Perhaps it wouldn't be so appealing if the same machine/glass combo were offered without the Leica name? Or maybe, if you only ever shot by yourself, never mixed with others, who might realise what 'tool' you choose for your image making? There are likely many pretty mediocre photographers who choose Leica, perhaps in the vain (mistaken) belief that it will somehow make them a better photographer. Image making excellence bears no particular allegiance to any one photo brand insofar as I can ascertain. For sure there is something about rarity, scarcity, niche, special etc that helps support the inherent, but intangible, brand attributes (like a 'vulgar' gold Hasselblad from way back - who really ever needed one of those). Perhaps shooting a Leica is a form of snobbery, but I also know Leica owners who aren't snobs. One refers to his as the price premium for the 'red dot'. I have always been a sucker for 'brilliant engineering' and stuff that's well designed, elegant and just works. So naturally I admire Leica. I drive a beautiful German sports car and wear an iconic all mechanical Swiss brand wristwatch. I love photography, travel, art, culture and believe (not lacking confidence) that I'm a good photographer too - so ought to be an ideal target Leica customer. I'm lucky that I can afford to buy a Leica, if I wanted one. But, oddly, I now shoot Sony (formerly of the Nikon parish - but that's another story). I never felt the need to standout, but inevitably I do when packing a range of Sony glass (some utterly brilliant BTW). I don't own a Sony a7CR, but have thought that I probably should get one. But, the better ergo of a Sony a7RV would IMO be a better choice for me and my needs. I'm currently down to 2 bodies (a7IV and FX3) wanted an a1, considered an a9iii (still miss my a9) but may hold out for an a1 revision with a7V rear screen etc (will it ever come - a bit like waiting for a mkii GM 85mm). I'd love to try an a7RC with my 35mm f1.4 (one of my fave lenses - subjects just 'pop'). If you can, I'd commend not wasting effort feeling envious of Leica and or their owners. Don't waste time knocking them either. Value what you have, can afford, and get out, go shoot more, develop your skill and eye to 'see' and make better images. Understanding light and basic composition will always help you more than brandishing or bragging about any given camera brand.
I have owned the Leica Q. The Summilux is unique. The micro contrasts are excellent. I sold the camera after several years because there was only one focal length available. The Q3 and the Sony have enough megapixels to crop. That's why I've already considered swapping my Alpha 7c for its big sister....
Sonys F2.8 vs that Summilux 1.7 is no comparison & you brushing that off when you said that 2.8 is more than enough is downplay. Apart from that, love the comparison 👏🏼
You must have invested a s*it ton of time into this profile. It deserves its own video. I don't get the hype about the Leica's (X100VI over here), but still appreciate the work you must have put in. Thanks!
Profile is great. Have a new red rope and square hood strapped to 6300 and 24 1.4GM :) Heading for the streets, looking forward to great shots, and admiring looks :) Thx.
This is awesome. I have the both the Sony A7R3 and the Leica Q2, and after taking my Leica on numerous trips, I think i am done with it for travel. The focus is awful, and EVERY SINGLE PHOTO requires heavy editing and the highlights get blown out like no other. I am going to back to my reliable old Sony and will probably get this lens too. Thank you!
I prefer the Leica Q3! The feel and especially the operation of the menu is perfect! I don't like cameras where the plasticizers come out of the rubber coating after a few years and stick terribly.
Nice comparison between the cameras. The Sony images were close to the Q3, but the Q3 was sharper, I still preferred the colors from the Q3 and there was less vignetting. I don’t own either camera.
I had a sony RX1R mk ii. I bought the Leica Q3 and my wife said I had too many cameras.... So I sold the Sony. I regret that decision to this day. Sony images were superior to the Leica with he exception of skin tones... The files were a bear to get them to an acceptable level if you were to print them. . There is no doubt about this. I miss my Sony and will re purchase it once wife goes to sleep.
Awesome comparison! I agree that the A7CR is pretty much as good and a much better performer than the Q3. I actually bought the the A7CR and loved it although 2 weeks after I bought the A7CR, Sony dropped the price of the A7RV down to $3499 and it was to hard to resist, so I exchanged it. I do miss the compact size on the A7CR though. Your pofile does really help to get close to the Leica color although as you mention it will be almost imposible to get it exactly. The leica leans more towards a majenta and the Sony to a Green/Yellow, You can see that clearly on the photo at 7:04 , the highlights on the background mountains have a more majenta look on the Leica than the Sony and the red brick on the house is much more red then the Sony. I think that in the end no one will really know what you shot the photo on as they are both really close in looks, after all the sensor on the Q3 is a sony sensor.
For people than can’t afford several cameras, then yeah, the Sony is definitely a better choice just by its usability and multiple lens selection. Although given the size, I would anyway go for the much better A7RV, as it is not pocketable anyway. Regarding the Leica, although the Lightroom profile is neat (kudos!), it won’t replace the micro-contrats that the Summilux got. The sharpness and details is just a tad over any other lenses, especially one that open that big. And also, well you need Lightroom. Which is a pain. But you also need to transfer the file over your computer, go to the profile for each, then do your « corrections » which would get rid of the colors anyway (since, you don’t get the hardware micro-contrast). So, I think all those videos comparing the twos are very good, but in effect very much not complete. It’s like the GFX vs Hasselblad. At the end, I won’t want to get out with a Sony, but I would love to get out with a Leica, because this camera is probably better to use, less complicated, better built (hand built!), etc. I think it’s important to have fun.
I was traveling around Japan, Korea, Germany, Austria, and Hungary just recently with my a7rv and 'way' too many lenses, many of which I hardly used. With many street shots, I tried to use AF in crowded places which was a bit difficult with my large Sony lenses so I started visiting Leica Stores along the way to get a feel for their cameras again, I've wanted a Leica since the 80s. Well, got back to the US and ordered a Q3 (also have my eye on an m), and I can't wait, I also have an x100VI. I'm going back to the basics and will be selling many of my Sony lenses, I'll keep the a7rv with 24-70 GMII/35 GM but everything else will be sold. Next trip I'll be traveling much lighter and I can't wait. The Q3 is just a joy to hold and I like that I'll have a sensor that is similar to my a7rv.
I like both setups :) I own q2 since 2019 and use it often and own A7r5 (since one month) --> A7r5 features are so much better than the q2's ... but q2 slows down how you shoot photos ... its not about the technical stuff, its about haptics, form factor, its robust built and somehow Leica history for a lower price than M cameras. And q2 cameras used prices dropped so much since q3 came out
Well, you just saved me a few thousand bucks. I was wavering. I'll admit it. But I'm not like rolling in it, plus, I liked what you came up with. Quite a great rig you put together.
I had this exact same dilemma last year after owning the Q3 for a few months. Is this worth it, could I maybe save a $2k? I rented an A7CR and the 24mm G lens just like you did. I played around with it and felt really familiar since I do all my professional work with Sonys. There's just something I didn't like about it though. The feel, the look, I felt unimpressed. I specifically chose something other than Sony to slow down, enjoy the process and make taking photos not feel like work after taking photos all day for work. The profile idea is great though and I'd like to try it out and see how those A7CR photos look compared to the Q3. I know you compared everything to the Q3, but the cost of that A7CR setup is about what a used Q2 costs nowadays 😎. Great video Kyle.
Leica and Fuji are for the joy of shooting. Sony, Nikon, Canon are for the work of shooting. I’m torn, I love shooting my Fuji, but I prefer the raws from my canon 😂
Brilliant, I'm a Canon shooter, but I'd have the interchangeable lens Sony any day of the week as fun shooter, over a Leica with it's awful auto-focus, lousy IBIS and fixed lens, despite the nice sensor and great colour sceince. And no way would any rational person call the Q3 compact. This Sony idea also beats out the Fuji everyone is banging on about. Thanks for taking the time.
Thank you for sharing, nice setup but i believe you will get a much closer experience if you setup a Fuji XT5 coupled with the Fuji 18mm f1.4, “28mm Full frame equivalent” I don’t have Q3 but a Q2, the Fuji is 40 MPX sensor the color science is surprisingly really good and the film simulations are the icing on the cake. You also get all the the dials and an aperture ring and i found its as much fun as my Leica Q2, actually i find it more approachable to grab and shoot as with my Leica i am alway conscious of getting it scratched or possibly stolen when on shooting on the streets.
Love this! Genius approach to a silly emotional topic many "Leica club members" have on this topic. Thanks for putting all the time and energy you did into this video. That said, I am not sure why you call it a "build" when all you did was change lenses and a lens hood on the Sony, which you obviously can't do on the Leica. But doing the "Leica look" in Darkroom in a post is kinda cheating since you can emulate any camera's "look." And you can do an infinite number of in-camera looks in the Fuj X100 VI or its entire X-Pro lineup in camera also if that is your jam One of the biggest differences is that the Leica JPEGs are vastly inferior to the Sony's (or even the Fuji X-Pro lineup). I own all these cameras but also have the Leica M2 Monochrom, and nothing can match it for B&W alone. The menu system on the Sony is a complex rabbit hole vs. Leica's purposefully minimalist approach. But if cost is one's basic criteria, your recommendation is fun. But the fact is you can get a used Q2 for way less than the Sony "build" so doing this on a used camera basis would be interesting. (Now find a place to hide because the Leica fanbois will come out of the woodwork and be haters :-) I am agnostic when it comes to camera religion. So... when in doubt on the topic, use an iPhone ProMax Plus and blow the quality of all the others away! haha
Thanks for the fantastic video! I’m sure it’s been mentioned in the comments already but the Q3 also has a leaf shutter as well which means flash sync up to the highest mechanical shutter speed. Super-useful and quiet. Also, the EVF and rear display are much…much better on the Leica. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a Sony shooter and love what they’re doing these days but putting a 2.36MP EVF in a high res kit like the CR is just plain silly. Almost insulting. As mentioned by another person here, you can also look at the Sony RX1Rii. Different focal length with same problems as above and “only” 42MP, but a REALLY cool camera.
I got my CR and slipped a Ziess 24 f2 on it with a square lens hood. It’s amazing head turning camera .light wight but capable camera also put the red thumb grip and the red shutter button on it
Good video - but a silly premise. There are lots of camera and lens combinations that could do much the same job as a Q3. But they’re not a Q3. I have one, and also an R5. And to compare the 24mm 2.8 Sony with a 28mm 1.7 Leica makes no sense. Nothing wrong with an f2.8 lens - but it’s not an f 1.7 is it. Being stuck with one (superb) lens, simple menu system, built in frame lines to visually crop to 35mm and 50mm, a true macro lens, a pleasure to use. I had my Q2 for four years - used it for hundreds of shoots including maybe 50 weddings (alongside a Canon with an 85mm lens). you don’t just buy a Q for image quality. It’s just a lovely tool to use.
Just tried the preset, it definitely adds something cool and I'll be adding it to my profiles. I did find that quite a few of my images did an exposure boost after applying the profile. And bringing the shadows up a bit. Thanks.
I can shoot at least 1/15 with a 105mm handheld, maybe 1/8. Recently I saw a video of someone who could do 1/4 handheld. Press your elbows to your body, keep the hand actuating the shutter below and push the shutter very gently. They also used to say that one shouldn't take pictures in the backlight. Which was only true for automatic cameras, but apart from that utter nonsense.
I use the A7CR and 35mm GM most of the time preferring the 35mm focal length. Having passed on the Q3 which was a close call i don't regret the decision at all.
Have a similar setup for similar reasons. Only change is I try to carry the 24 2.8 g and the 50 2.8g with an A7CII when I take it out and if I have to take just one I take the 50 2.8g. I’ve tried the Q3 but was not impressed by its features, it does feel real good on hands but I prefer the a7cii
Brilliant! I prefer the Sony A7CR, all day. It is so much more flexible. I can use it as a walk-about-town camera or I can swap lenses with my A1 or A7RV and use it as a serious workhorse. Honestly, I’ve been thinking about just getting that lens and slapping it on one of my existing bodies and calling it a day. I do wish, however, that Sony made a compact 35mm. I think the 24 is a bit wide, and the 40 is a bit long.
Thank you Kyle for the Leica profile. New sub here. I have a Sony A1 and I have used your profile to get that Leica ‘pop’ and I’m very impressed and grateful, so thank you
This is an amazing video, and the LR Leica preset looks impressive. Thank you! You could have added that it's possible to purchase the Sony A7CR, whereas .... good luck getting your hands on a Q3. I have a SONY A7iii, and quite frankly I just love it. I've been wanting to get a Leica for a while, but why spend so much money? The economics don't pan out for me. And as I said, The Q3 is on wait-list. Go-figure.
I just grabbed the profile minutes ago and have already applied to a recent photo I was working on. It for sure took the shot to a different level. Hopefully it works this well on lots of different stuff! Thanks dude. I would also really love it if someone made a 'Creative Style' for nice a JPEG straight out of camera!
I'm a Sony fan, but the A7CXr is still a world away from the Q3. The bug one for me is that there is no fast 28 or (preferably) 35mm lens of comparable size to the 28 f/1.7 on the Q3. The f/2.8 28mm G is just too slow with too much DoF. Also, the top dial on the Sony is still PASM rather than shutter speeds. The Q3, with its top-mounted shutter speed, fast, compact 28mm with aperture rung and streamlined operation is a much nicer experience for the kind of shooting you want to do with a compact like this.
I agree with you 100% and this was another reason I kept Leica Q3 and sold Sony A7CR.... it was not worth the time I was trying match up colors and slowness killed it.
3:55 have the A7Cii and cannot overstate how easy it is to walk and shoot with this camera body.. even one handed. I have 3 different types of AF mapped and can do all one-handed. Amazing travel/casual camera.
I use a Leitz Summicron-R 50mm f/2 that I picked up for $200 and it basically turned my sony into a Leica. Looks amazing. Basically at this point if you want the Leica look just get a Leica lens modern or vintage and put that on your sony.
While the Sony is no doubt a good value it’s certainly not the same user experience. Also you can’t compare a G 2.8 to a Summilux lens… to get the equivalent in Sony (wide aperture and premium line) you’re looking at a bigger heavier GM 1.4 prime that’s easy 1000$ more that the example in the video… but yes the Sony is fine alternative. Use what you like and what makes you happy.
Really awesome video! I shoot with an A7C and for the past few months I've been obsessing on how to make it more of an everyday camera like the Q3. Eventually ended up getting the Sony G 40mm f2.5 and I've been very happy with it! I sometimes wish I had that extra stop, but it hasn't been a dealbreaker.
Great vid and thanks for the colour profile. Going to try it with my A6700 shots. I wish there was a way of getting the Fuji Simulations into my camera though, that would be so good. Cheers!
@@Sonic-BoomI bought some color profiles from Cobalt Image. They have some Fuji color and black and white profiles you could try. They sell separate profiles for Lightroom and Capture One so they are not in camera profiles. You have to buy the profile for your camera. Then by the profile for the look that you want or the film that you want. I bought some of their film color profiles and film black and white profiles and I like them.
The aperture difference is more than low light performance, it's depth of field and transition from in focus to out of focus behaves far differently. While field of view is slightly wider than som other 28mm the effects of distortion are similar. This 24mm has a different curvature and distortion profile to the Q3 for objects near the edge of frame. Overall I prefer the image rendering of the Q3. Try some portrait comparisons and get a bit closer.
First I will say that Leica should make a "QM" camera with Leica mount, no optical viewfinder, but the very best EVF ! My "Leica" Camera are the Sony A7RIV with Zeiss, Voigtländer and Sony GM Lenses. I like the design of the Sony A7RC with the EVF in the corner, but the EVF is too small with too low resolution, it also miss a joystick, so maybe Sony will make the next model more perfect.
Kyle, completely hit the nail on the head with the video. When i was focused on photos the Z6ii suited me but as I moved towards video I found I struggled with the Nikon and the other struggle was the price of lenses for the camera. When I seen an A7iv for the right money and I could get third party lenses I moved instantly and now I have no isses with video or struggle to record. Just a pity its 4k 60 is cropped. The Nikon Z6ii was my 7th camera but the sony has been a revelation for me
I agree with you. Shooting Leica M myself I think most leica people would say the leica lens makes better bokeh perhaps and is the most important thing. Did you try that? Other than that having the option to change lens and have better AF is so important I think. And only having a 28mm is not very good at all. Thanks for sharing!
But what about?? The Sony menu system. I hear it’s mind bending. The Leica seems much easier. You should address the menu and handling experience. Lastly, simplicity/ease of use is very important to most senior citizens …like me @75 where my brain is not as snappy as yesteryear.
The problem with the Q3 and the Q2 is that manual focussing is 'focus by wire'. I'd rather have an interchangeable lens system with mechanically coupled manual focus. As for making a Sony into a Q3, you might as well buy a Panasonic Lumix S5 II. Why? Because you can buy an M-L lens adapter and you get access to the entire range of M lenses (with notable exceptions) from Leica, Zeiss and Voightlander et al.
This video is spot on. I was set on getting a Q3. Came to my senses and picked up the A7CR with the same exact 24mm f2.8 sony lens. So happy with that decision. The only thing I've been after still is the Leica color science and you just solved that for me. Sony all day.
However, one stop missing 😞
Which step is that?
@@spencertclements f1.7 vs f2.5...
@@nicolasheinemusic Got you, misread your comment. Yes, unfortunately the Sony lens doesn’t stop down to f1.7 but I also picked up the zeiss 55mm f1.8 and it’s smooth 😮💨
@@spencertclements Yes - I own this lens and pair it with my A7C quite often. It's a great lens, the only thing that bothers me, is that it's pretty long and does not fit easily into any pocket for everyday use.
That's why I just bought a Samyang 35mm 2.8. Even the Sony 24mm 2.8 is pretty long. The samyang is the shortest and least heavy 🙂... also it didnt cost too much.
I bought a sheet of round red stickers from a dude in Times Square. I stuck one on my Sony which now is worth thousands more.
Riiiiight.
Smart.
The funny part is so many Leica users use tape to cover that red dot so as not to be a theft target
Nah, you missed the most crucial part. The word Leica in cursive must be inside the red dot
Until you've used Leica glass, you don't know shit.
@@bobbleczar I’ve borrowed a friend’s Leica so I do know shit. 😱
Good stuff and well done. Ditto for the Fuji envy crowd. The real point of this is how adaptable and customizable the A7 series is. Not just to wannabe but developing a true individual style with high level features. The ROI on the Sony's and their open-protocol with 3rd parties is unbeatable.
I swapped my EOS R6 with RF24-70 2.8 for a Leica Q2. I couldn't be happier as the camera is so much handier and lighter when traveling. Since I mostly take wide-angle photos, the lack of focal length doesn't bother me at all. I just feel like I'm holding perfection in my hands and that makes taking photos even more fun.
Some people swap A for B and couldn't be happier. While other people swap B for A and couldn't be happier. What does it tell us? -- confirmation bias, pure and simple.
You could've just bought the RF 28 2.8.
@@marximus4 you can't compare the RF28 2.8 with the Leica Summilux 28 1.7 :D - the cheap Canon RF lenses have never convinced me and the lack of water protection is just as bad as the STM motor
It sounds like your issue was with the system rather than the size and weight.
@@marximus4 f2.8 vs f1.7 it's not the same and will never be.
Dude, the profile is great. Applied it to photos I took recently in White Sands, NM, and they look amazing. Subscribed.
I used to have a Leica Q2 alongside my A7RIV. I sold both and picked up the A7RV and A7CR instead. I love this set-up. I have the menus, custom and function buttons near identical. For professional work, I use the A7RV with my GM zooms or fast primes. For travel or discrete cityscape and street shooting, I take the A7CR with a couple of my compact Sigma I-series primes. No regrets letting go the Leica.
Honestly sounds like the perfect combo!
People who don't care about photography care about leica.
oh to be rich
@@USGrant21stLOL
Hello Chris, I have a question for you. You have both the A7RV and A7CR, so did you feel the lack of the a7cr's 2 fps compared to the a7rv's 10 fps?
Thank you in advance
I like the video, but for me there are two more pros to the Leica: the depth-of-field scale on the lens, which is missing on the Sony lens, and the simplicity of the body, whereas the Sony is the usual collection of dials and buttons.
Now, personally I think the Q is overpriced for what it is because as you say, other than the Leica colors, it really doesn’t result in images you can’t capture with tons of other cameras.
DUDE THE MACRO B ROLL PARTS OF THIS VIDEO IS DEVINE. Absolutely stunning visuals. The aesthetics of this whole vid is so nice
Dude thank you for that! I saw a video a few weeks ago with some macro shots in their b roll and I was like “damn I should get a macro lens.” Found one on fb marketplace and got it the next day. Very pleased with the added oomph it gives
Great video and great set up. But….. it’s all about having the tilt screen not a swivel screen. Makes a huge difference to nailing shots quickly. I sold my Q2 because I need a tilt screen. How about a Fuji X-T5?
Been shooting the a7cr and the 24mm for several months and love it. So much versatility than the Q3. Even tempted to switch from canon to Sony full time. Looking forward to checking out your preset.
Wait for the next time if it‘s pouring rain. I know a wildlife photographer having even two a1 bodies and took them for outdoor shooting. During a little bit of rain, after 15 minutes, the a1 stopped working - the camera was advertised as flag ship, being rain and dust proof, remember? The camera was still under warranty and Sony Service Austria claimed she dumped the camera into water - what she didn’t do of course - and Sony wanted her to pay € 3500 to fix that a1. The old adage is still true: „Buy a Sony, buy yourself a lot of problems!“ - specially if it comes to support, service and warranty. - The first shooting I had with my Leica SL2-S and APO-Summicron-SL 2.0/75 - the day I picked it up - was an outdoor event and it was double-pouring rain. Guess what: zero issues. That’s a camera.
@@rolandrickphotography on the flip side I've taken my A7C out on week hikes in the rain, offroad adventures in the mud, and this last winter on the ski slopes, all with zero issues. Sony makes very solid products and sounds more like your friend messed up a gasket or something.
@@ItsMeHammie Well, looks like you had more luck with your A7C as my fellow photography friend with her a1. FYC, the water entered the body of her a1 by the shutter button. That was the reply of the Sony Service and obsoletes claiming she dumped the camera. If that would have been the case, there would have been water also everywhere else. I envy the Sony shooters for the AF, but not for the lousy customer service mentality they have.
@@rolandrickphotography well, you would have zero problems with an r5 and an L lense as well for much cheaper :-) Also, funny how austrians are assholes to their own people, I thought they just don't like foreigners :-)
I agree this is a very nice combo- Two things missing- The simplicity of Leica menus- It’s a joy to use compared to Sony- also the ability to shoot non PASM. Need to adjust shutter, do it, need to adjust Aperture, do it, need to change ISO, do it. All while keeping the other piece of the triangle in auto or manual mode. One of the biggest pluses so rarely talked about. I would also miss the 1.7 lens but there are some trade offs- Good stuff
This is top tier content for compact camera reviews. This has helped me decide on getting the Sony 7cr and although I don't have the money for a leica now, your review has helped me in pursuing one as a 2nd or 3rd option for a fun camera to have in the future. Thank you for this amazing video! Keep it up as I just subscribed and liked the video.
Happy to help!
I really appreciate you making this video. Sony owes you a debt of gratitude.
What’s great about the Q (which is also true about Fuji X100, Sony RX1, etc.) is that the lens can’t be changed. The A7Cs are amazing but the temptation to get more lenses once I have an interchangeable lens body in hand is scary! Fixed lens cameras help me stay in control 😂
Easy fix. For a couple bucks, buy a tube of cyanoacrylate and voila! You have a fixed lens camera!😁
Similar to why I got the Fuji XT30II with 27mm 2.8 instead of waiting for the Fuji X100VI. Also, with it being more targeted to a family/edc set up, it’s nicer to transfer the smaller files and upload to social media.
Great comparison between the Leica and Sony! 👍🏻
Thank you for this, and more power to your channel
I sold all my Sony cameras and lenses and bought the Q3, then an M monochrome. I couldn't be happier. Sure, you can make an A7C (or other body) handle somewhat similar to a Q3, and get similar image quality. The pixel count is certainly available on the Sony, and the A7C is one of their most portable cameras. But that isn't the point.
Using a Leica is a different experience than handling a Sony, or most other digital cameras. With most of them, I feel more like a computer operator, forever scrolling through menus and tweaking custom functions. The Leica allows you to look and shoot. Then there's the quality of the glass and the color palette Leica uses. A different experience in just about every way.
It's the little things that count, the details, the experience, and when those are all added up, they justify the extra expense, which will soon be forgotten anyway.
GREAT JOB on this video and the job you did to back up your ideas!! I am very happy to be a fan of your work..
Much appreciated
Agreed! That was my justification when I was thinking about a Q3 for walkabouts. I ended up getting this exact combination (A7CR + 24mm G lens) but with the added benefit of my whole collection of other Sony lenses. I still love the idea of the Q3, but I personally can't justify it for my own use case. Also, I'd be more willing to get reckless with my Sony camera than I would with the Q3. It'll be like how I treat my dress watches when I get anywhere near a body of water - even though they're technically rated for the splash, I'd hate for a piece of seaweed to gently brush the bracelet, leaving a scratch half the width of a strand of hair that you can only see under microscope lol.
Sony had their 'Leica Q' formula in production with the RX1R and later RX1Rmkii and a great shame they stopped producing these cameras. I own both the RX1R 24MP and RX1Rmkii 42MP and the Zeiss Sonar T lens and sensor combo produces very detailed images with super micro contrast (helped no doubt by the lack of anti aliasing filter on the RX1R and variable AA filter on the mkii). The images output from the Sony's are slightly better than by Leica Q2.
I’m still holding out hope for the mk3. I bet Sony is seeing the sales of the x100vi and thinking it’s time for a refresh
@Brightsparks1960 How’s the AF difference between the RX1R and the mkii version? Is the ii a ton better?
Best street camera I've ever shot with.
I hope for a mk3 and I’m a Leica shooter… I would get one and use both my Leica M and the RX1mk3 for different purposes but seems like they’ve abandoned the format… which is weird cause Sony makes so many different models of everything
Holy shit, that’s a lot of work you have done to make this video happen! Thanks!
My Leica setup is Sony a7CII with Sony 40mm f2.5, Haoge Square Metal Lens Hood and Thumb grip)))
Epic
The A7cr is replacing my Leica Q and with the 40mm G lens I have the Q with my preferred focal length. Yet, I can attach the 50/1.2 or the 12-24/2.8 giving me one body with tremendous versatility and outstanding IQ. Thank you for the profile, I find Leica colors get in the way more often than not, with digital colors are very malleable.
I've got the Q Full Spectrum, Q2 Mono and Q3 ... Sony A7C2. Gave my photographer son my X100VI system ... two different wide angle adapters. Right now the A7C2 is The Winner ... best AF.
Can i be ur son
This guy made me get the Sony a7cr with this video (since I can make it like the Leica) and I appreciate you for that! Keep up the great content!
Always happy to help
As a Q3 owner of 6 months, and having watched soooo many Q3 videos before investing, this is video great! I shoot Sony A7r4 and A7s3 as well. Just spent 3 weeks on the streets in India with the Q3 as my stills camera. I’m 53 and am a professional, so the Q3 was a treat, and a bit of a “coming of age”. There are many things I missed, auto focus was a the big one. But for the first time I tried to learn manual focus and how to do it properly and that was fun. The Q3 is flawed. But damn it is a lovely camera to use when you get in the groove. Thanks for the great video mate.
I do think the Q3 has a special quality to it that is hard to replicate even though it’s very flawed as you mention. As a compact travel / everyday carry camera… it’s just so enjoyable. I’ve lately been bringing my fx3 and q3 as my two cameras, and really enjoy the combo.
But I know it’s not a practical camera for 99% of people, so figure this video would help give a more reasonable alternative for most folks
Not practical for 99% of people? What’s the source for this data? Just because it’s a prime?
@@quantum_ocean I'm guessing because of the price compared to what it can do vs the competition. It really doesn't make sense to buy on paper. It's a luxury camera.
Sony Shooter for 10+ yrs professionally.. shot the Fuji x100v since the day it came out. loved the size and feel of the Fuji x100v but focusing and low light were the wall I kept hitting with it. I got a Q3 in Sept of 2023.. I really wanted to hate it.. the more i shoot it, the more i see its "charm." There is something special about the lens.. especially when you convert the images to BW. there is just some little glow in the highlights.. its heavy.. kinda clunky but easy to use once you get used to it. yes is super expensive.. its not for everyone.. but for some (me) its really a special camera.
@dmille6 think you nailed it
Kudos on the video. I've owned both. The main thing I miss about my Q is the lens and the file processing. The lens that renders the closest to the Leica for the Sony is the Batis 25mm. The colors have been elusive for me.
I use the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 with my a7cr. It is fantastic. I get 20mm to 60mm with crop mode. At night I use the 35mm f1.8. Both are great combinations.
I bought the Leica Q when I had my child. The pics I took with it outshine my Fujis and now Canon r6mii even with the $3200 rf2870. The Summilux just has a feeling thats hard to explain. I sold it and now Im chasimng the feeling again but at $6k its not happening. This seems like a better route because I want to dump Canon anyways for a more versatile lens mount. One thing Sony doesnt have is the insane engineering...the Leica feels absolutely premium in hand. Also....most Leica guys want a 35mm Q so something to think about. My Q had a flat stealth cover from Etsy which was well worth it.
Great video Kyle, sold my M11 35lux, 35cron, 50cron. Went Sony a7cR and love it, still miss the M clic. But my hit rate is way up. Subscribed, keep them coming.
Thank you so much! I had the Q3 and loved it. But the 28 really turned out as a more 25mm Like.. and now swapped it for the CR. As I’m a Sony Shooter. For sure, the haptics are now where near the Q3, but finally I‘m happy with the Sony (with the 35 1.8 attached). All thanks to your Leica to Sony Profile for LR!! Nice Job!!
Happy to help!
The Leica's local contrast is something that other manufacturers haven't gone for - instead going for local definition (can't have em both - laws of physics and all of that). For that reason, they will not looks the same but you can get close. With my Leica, I took a picture of a steam engine at a station and have that as my lock screen on my phone and several people have seen it and said 'That looks good ... [pause for a couple of seconds whilst looking at the image more closely] ... No, that actually is good.'
Leica glass is what makes the images. The sensor is only secondary and the body basically holds it all together whilst it stops stray light getting in. Leica designed glass is what you need - some mobile phone company had that for a while and many people where impressed.
Panasonic M43 bodies have Leica designed glass.
You talk as Sony glass or Sony sensor is not capable of it. I love leica, feeling and other non tangible things it have. But Sony is better option practically in every single spec compared to.
Having both I use more the Sony, give me the capability of using other lenses that increase quality of images a lot when you dont want a 28mm
what a bunch of BS..
I really enjoyed your video and I can't understand the Leica fan boys. I think they were offended when you said that the Leica Q3 is a camera for those who have a lot of money to spend on a hobby.
In any case, I would pair the Sony A7CR with a Voightlander E-Series lens (35 mm f1.4 or 21 mm f3.5) to "replicate" the look of the Q3 but, to be honest, I bought the A7CR precisely because, in my opinion, the camera is superior to the Q3.
I’m just doing some research and both these cameras are too much money and more camera than I need. But man, awesome video and providing the color profiles (that look absolutly spot on)for your viewers is really cool!
Happy to help!
I'll say this I've been told many times my q3 photos in b/w and my sl2 in b/w were some of the best photos they had ever seen. Straight out of camera. The q3 is just fast at the end of the day instant gratification and you don't rly need to edit much
Hello, Leica fanboy here. I own a Leica Q since 2016, it replaced my other camera gear (I had lots) and it has been my primary camera since. To note: I am colourblind and I also don't care about the technical details, i.e. colors rendered, lowest noise, etc etc. What matters for me is the ease of use and simplicity. i also don't want to worry about which lens to chose. the Q lens is not my favourite choice (35mm would), but I learned to use and it made me more creative. Of course technical feature like IQ matter, it just needs to be really good. The Q has been the best camera I've ever owned.
What makes the Leica Q stand out are the optics. Period. No other lens compares. If you want to get a Q much cheaper, buy a Q first gen used. Stunning performance still today. Plus, I personally believe that having a 60 MP is more of a disadvantage compared to the original Q. Surely these are my personal views but the result of having used the Q extensively, being utterly satisfied and feeling no urge whatsoever to switch. Oh, and did I mention the Sony's awkward menu structure?
Neat comparison.
But, it's all about the power of branding - something I learnt as a junior brand manager, many decades ago. Ha ha, no matter what you do it's still about the intangible, certain something, feel and aura that the "real" thing bestows (whatever the genre of operation and brand in question). All else is somehow just slightly inferior and, to some, it matters. Brands speak to us and help to reinforce our value set and aspirations.
Leica is just one of those absolutely iconic brands. Sony is a great brand too, but different. Sony can't ever really quite match the Leica look and feel (nor can Nikon or Canon). But equally, Leica can't quite match a Sony either. They are in some ways close in other respects just different. Probably you know who you are and which camera/brand you want!
Dare I say that in some respects a Leica might seem less desirable, if it were offered for less cost? Perhaps it wouldn't be so appealing if the same machine/glass combo were offered without the Leica name? Or maybe, if you only ever shot by yourself, never mixed with others, who might realise what 'tool' you choose for your image making? There are likely many pretty mediocre photographers who choose Leica, perhaps in the vain (mistaken) belief that it will somehow make them a better photographer. Image making excellence bears no particular allegiance to any one photo brand insofar as I can ascertain.
For sure there is something about rarity, scarcity, niche, special etc that helps support the inherent, but intangible, brand attributes (like a 'vulgar' gold Hasselblad from way back - who really ever needed one of those). Perhaps shooting a Leica is a form of snobbery, but I also know Leica owners who aren't snobs. One refers to his as the price premium for the 'red dot'. I have always been a sucker for 'brilliant engineering' and stuff that's well designed, elegant and just works. So naturally I admire Leica.
I drive a beautiful German sports car and wear an iconic all mechanical Swiss brand wristwatch. I love photography, travel, art, culture and believe (not lacking confidence) that I'm a good photographer too - so ought to be an ideal target Leica customer. I'm lucky that I can afford to buy a Leica, if I wanted one. But, oddly, I now shoot Sony (formerly of the Nikon parish - but that's another story). I never felt the need to standout, but inevitably I do when packing a range of Sony glass (some utterly brilliant BTW). I don't own a Sony a7CR, but have thought that I probably should get one. But, the better ergo of a Sony a7RV would IMO be a better choice for me and my needs. I'm currently down to 2 bodies (a7IV and FX3) wanted an a1, considered an a9iii (still miss my a9) but may hold out for an a1 revision with a7V rear screen etc (will it ever come - a bit like waiting for a mkii GM 85mm). I'd love to try an a7RC with my 35mm f1.4 (one of my fave lenses - subjects just 'pop').
If you can, I'd commend not wasting effort feeling envious of Leica and or their owners. Don't waste time knocking them either. Value what you have, can afford, and get out, go shoot more, develop your skill and eye to 'see' and make better images. Understanding light and basic composition will always help you more than brandishing or bragging about any given camera brand.
I have owned the Leica Q. The Summilux is unique. The micro contrasts are excellent. I sold the camera after several years because there was only one focal length available. The Q3 and the Sony have enough megapixels to crop. That's why I've already considered swapping my Alpha 7c for its big sister....
Thanks for the profile !❤
Sonys F2.8 vs that Summilux 1.7 is no comparison & you brushing that off when you said that 2.8 is more than enough is downplay.
Apart from that, love the comparison 👏🏼
You must have invested a s*it ton of time into this profile. It deserves its own video. I don't get the hype about the Leica's (X100VI over here), but still appreciate the work you must have put in. Thanks!
good job. I have the Sony a7c, fuji x100v, and the Leica Q3. there's nothing like the Q3.
Totally agree with you, I love my A7CR and 24mm combo and I am a life long Nikon user !
Profile is great.
Have a new red rope and square hood strapped to 6300 and 24 1.4GM :)
Heading for the streets, looking forward to great shots, and admiring looks :)
Thx.
Haha epic!
This is awesome. I have the both the Sony A7R3 and the Leica Q2, and after taking my Leica on numerous trips, I think i am done with it for travel. The focus is awful, and EVERY SINGLE PHOTO requires heavy editing and the highlights get blown out like no other. I am going to back to my reliable old Sony and will probably get this lens too. Thank you!
I prefer the Leica Q3! The feel and especially the operation of the menu is perfect! I don't like cameras where the plasticizers come out of the rubber coating after a few years and stick terribly.
Thank you for your effort. Great tone voice script ….
Nice comparison between the cameras. The Sony images were close to the Q3, but the Q3 was sharper, I still preferred the colors from the Q3 and there was less vignetting.
I don’t own either camera.
I had a sony RX1R mk ii. I bought the Leica Q3 and my wife said I had too many cameras.... So I sold the Sony. I regret that decision to this day. Sony images were superior to the Leica with he exception of skin tones... The files were a bear to get them to an acceptable level if you were to print them. . There is no doubt about this. I miss my Sony and will re purchase it once wife goes to sleep.
Thank you for the profile.
Awesome comparison! I agree that the A7CR is pretty much as good and a much better performer than the Q3. I actually bought the the A7CR and loved it although 2 weeks after I bought the A7CR, Sony dropped the price of the A7RV down to $3499 and it was to hard to resist, so I exchanged it. I do miss the compact size on the A7CR though. Your pofile does really help to get close to the Leica color although as you mention it will be almost imposible to get it exactly. The leica leans more towards a majenta and the Sony to a Green/Yellow, You can see that clearly on the photo at 7:04 , the highlights on the background mountains have a more majenta look on the Leica than the Sony and the red brick on the house is much more red then the Sony. I think that in the end no one will really know what you shot the photo on as they are both really close in looks, after all the sensor on the Q3 is a sony sensor.
For people than can’t afford several cameras, then yeah, the Sony is definitely a better choice just by its usability and multiple lens selection. Although given the size, I would anyway go for the much better A7RV, as it is not pocketable anyway.
Regarding the Leica, although the Lightroom profile is neat (kudos!), it won’t replace the micro-contrats that the Summilux got. The sharpness and details is just a tad over any other lenses, especially one that open that big.
And also, well you need Lightroom. Which is a pain. But you also need to transfer the file over your computer, go to the profile for each, then do your « corrections » which would get rid of the colors anyway (since, you don’t get the hardware micro-contrast).
So, I think all those videos comparing the twos are very good, but in effect very much not complete. It’s like the GFX vs Hasselblad.
At the end, I won’t want to get out with a Sony, but I would love to get out with a Leica, because this camera is probably better to use, less complicated, better built (hand built!), etc. I think it’s important to have fun.
I was traveling around Japan, Korea, Germany, Austria, and Hungary just recently with my a7rv and 'way' too many lenses, many of which I hardly used. With many street shots, I tried to use AF in crowded places which was a bit difficult with my large Sony lenses so I started visiting Leica Stores along the way to get a feel for their cameras again, I've wanted a Leica since the 80s. Well, got back to the US and ordered a Q3 (also have my eye on an m), and I can't wait, I also have an x100VI. I'm going back to the basics and will be selling many of my Sony lenses, I'll keep the a7rv with 24-70 GMII/35 GM but everything else will be sold. Next trip I'll be traveling much lighter and I can't wait. The Q3 is just a joy to hold and I like that I'll have a sensor that is similar to my a7rv.
I like both setups :) I own q2 since 2019 and use it often and own A7r5 (since one month) --> A7r5 features are so much better than the q2's ... but q2 slows down how you shoot photos ... its not about the technical stuff, its about haptics, form factor, its robust built and somehow Leica history for a lower price than M cameras. And q2 cameras used prices dropped so much since q3 came out
Well, you just saved me a few thousand bucks. I was wavering. I'll admit it. But I'm not like rolling in it, plus, I liked what you came up with. Quite a great rig you put together.
Always here to help! And hopefully save some money haha
I had this exact same dilemma last year after owning the Q3 for a few months. Is this worth it, could I maybe save a $2k? I rented an A7CR and the 24mm G lens just like you did. I played around with it and felt really familiar since I do all my professional work with Sonys. There's just something I didn't like about it though. The feel, the look, I felt unimpressed. I specifically chose something other than Sony to slow down, enjoy the process and make taking photos not feel like work after taking photos all day for work. The profile idea is great though and I'd like to try it out and see how those A7CR photos look compared to the Q3. I know you compared everything to the Q3, but the cost of that A7CR setup is about what a used Q2 costs nowadays 😎. Great video Kyle.
Leica and Fuji are for the joy of shooting. Sony, Nikon, Canon are for the work of shooting. I’m torn, I love shooting my Fuji, but I prefer the raws from my canon 😂
Brilliant, I'm a Canon shooter, but I'd have the interchangeable lens Sony any day of the week as fun shooter, over a Leica with it's awful auto-focus, lousy IBIS and fixed lens, despite the nice sensor and great colour sceince. And no way would any rational person call the Q3 compact. This Sony idea also beats out the Fuji everyone is banging on about. Thanks for taking the time.
Thank you for sharing, nice setup but i believe you will get a much closer experience if you setup a Fuji XT5 coupled with the Fuji 18mm f1.4, “28mm Full frame equivalent” I don’t have Q3 but a Q2, the Fuji is 40 MPX sensor the color science is surprisingly really good and the film simulations are the icing on the cake. You also get all the the dials and an aperture ring and i found its as much fun as my Leica Q2, actually i find it more approachable to grab and shoot as with my Leica i am alway conscious of getting it scratched or possibly stolen when on shooting on the streets.
How do you figure? It's no range finder style. I would argue that a Fuji x100 option would be the best comparison
Love this! Genius approach to a silly emotional topic many "Leica club members" have on this topic. Thanks for putting all the time and energy you did into this video. That said, I am not sure why you call it a "build" when all you did was change lenses and a lens hood on the Sony, which you obviously can't do on the Leica. But doing the "Leica look" in Darkroom in a post is kinda cheating since you can emulate any camera's "look." And you can do an infinite number of in-camera looks in the Fuj X100 VI or its entire X-Pro lineup in camera also if that is your jam One of the biggest differences is that the Leica JPEGs are vastly inferior to the Sony's (or even the Fuji X-Pro lineup). I own all these cameras but also have the Leica M2 Monochrom, and nothing can match it for B&W alone. The menu system on the Sony is a complex rabbit hole vs. Leica's purposefully minimalist approach. But if cost is one's basic criteria, your recommendation is fun. But the fact is you can get a used Q2 for way less than the Sony "build" so doing this on a used camera basis would be interesting. (Now find a place to hide because the Leica fanbois will come out of the woodwork and be haters :-) I am agnostic when it comes to camera religion. So... when in doubt on the topic, use an iPhone ProMax Plus and blow the quality of all the others away! haha
Well, I know what I am ordering now. I need to look at that lense a bit more.
Now if you have the Zeiss 35f2.8, you can do an X100VI alternative too. It's about the same size and weight and light/bokeh performance too. 😎
Except that the image quality will be considerably better. Unfortunately, it won’t have the very nice hybrid viewfinder.
@@Wolfloid 100% that's a given. You get what you pay for in that sense.
Thanks for the fantastic video! I’m sure it’s been mentioned in the comments already but the Q3 also has a leaf shutter as well which means flash sync up to the highest mechanical shutter speed. Super-useful and quiet. Also, the EVF and rear display are much…much better on the Leica. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a Sony shooter and love what they’re doing these days but putting a 2.36MP EVF in a high res kit like the CR is just plain silly. Almost insulting. As mentioned by another person here, you can also look at the Sony RX1Rii. Different focal length with same problems as above and “only” 42MP, but a REALLY cool camera.
As many already said, thanks for your hard work on the profile ! Thumb's up man ! Ofc I subcribed too !
Stoked to hear it was helpful and welcome aboard!!
Thank you Kyle !
Speaking as an owner of both Leica and Sony, one item to consider is re-sale value of both cameras when and if the time arrives.
Q3 AF is still too poor - I took the A7CR!
I got my CR and slipped a Ziess 24 f2 on it with a square lens hood. It’s amazing head turning camera .light wight but capable camera also put the red thumb grip and the red shutter button on it
Good video - but a silly premise. There are lots of camera and lens combinations that could do much the same job as a Q3. But they’re not a Q3. I have one, and also an R5. And to compare the 24mm 2.8 Sony with a 28mm 1.7 Leica makes no sense. Nothing wrong with an f2.8 lens - but it’s not an f 1.7 is it. Being stuck with one (superb) lens, simple menu system, built in frame lines to visually crop to 35mm and 50mm, a true macro lens, a pleasure to use. I had my Q2 for four years - used it for hundreds of shoots including maybe 50 weddings (alongside a Canon with an 85mm lens). you don’t just buy a Q for image quality. It’s just a lovely tool to use.
Just tried the preset, it definitely adds something cool and I'll be adding it to my profiles. I did find that quite a few of my images did an exposure boost after applying the profile. And bringing the shadows up a bit. Thanks.
I can shoot at least 1/15 with a 105mm handheld, maybe 1/8. Recently I saw a video of someone who could do 1/4 handheld.
Press your elbows to your body, keep the hand actuating the shutter below and push the shutter very gently.
They also used to say that one shouldn't take pictures in the backlight. Which was only true for automatic cameras, but apart from that utter nonsense.
My main concern with the A7CR is the tiny and/or lower res viewfinder...
Honestly fair concern. I think that’s the biggest issue with it
It’s obviously not as big as on some other larger cameras but it’s totally usable.
I use the A7CR and 35mm GM most of the time preferring the 35mm focal length. Having passed on the Q3 which was a close call i don't regret the decision at all.
So good 👍 I can't understand why anyone would spend 6k when it's mostly software.
Have a similar setup for similar reasons. Only change is I try to carry the 24 2.8 g and the 50 2.8g with an A7CII when I take it out and if I have to take just one I take the 50 2.8g. I’ve tried the Q3 but was not impressed by its features, it does feel real good on hands but I prefer the a7cii
Brilliant! I prefer the Sony A7CR, all day. It is so much more flexible. I can use it as a walk-about-town camera or I can swap lenses with my A1 or A7RV and use it as a serious workhorse. Honestly, I’ve been thinking about just getting that lens and slapping it on one of my existing bodies and calling it a day. I do wish, however, that Sony made a compact 35mm. I think the 24 is a bit wide, and the 40 is a bit long.
Thank you Kyle for the Leica profile. New sub here. I have a Sony A1 and I have used your profile to get that Leica ‘pop’ and I’m very impressed and grateful, so thank you
This is an amazing video, and the LR Leica preset looks impressive. Thank you!
You could have added that it's possible to purchase the Sony A7CR, whereas .... good luck getting your hands on a Q3. I have a SONY A7iii, and quite frankly I just love it. I've been wanting to get a Leica for a while, but why spend so much money? The economics don't pan out for me. And as I said, The Q3 is on wait-list. Go-figure.
I just grabbed the profile minutes ago and have already applied to a recent photo I was working on. It for sure took the shot to a different level. Hopefully it works this well on lots of different stuff! Thanks dude. I would also really love it if someone made a 'Creative Style' for nice a JPEG straight out of camera!
I'm a Sony fan, but the A7CXr is still a world away from the Q3. The bug one for me is that there is no fast 28 or (preferably) 35mm lens of comparable size to the 28 f/1.7 on the Q3. The f/2.8 28mm G is just too slow with too much DoF. Also, the top dial on the Sony is still PASM rather than shutter speeds. The Q3, with its top-mounted shutter speed, fast, compact 28mm with aperture rung and streamlined operation is a much nicer experience for the kind of shooting you want to do with a compact like this.
Would the Sigma 24 or 35 f2 solve your lens issue? Small, fast, metal construction, and aperture ring.
I agree with you 100% and this was another reason I kept Leica Q3 and sold Sony A7CR.... it was not worth the time I was trying match up colors and slowness killed it.
3:55 have the A7Cii and cannot overstate how easy it is to walk and shoot with this camera body.. even one handed. I have 3 different types of AF mapped and can do all one-handed. Amazing travel/casual camera.
I use a Leitz Summicron-R 50mm f/2 that I picked up for $200 and it basically turned my sony into a Leica. Looks amazing. Basically at this point if you want the Leica look just get a Leica lens modern or vintage and put that on your sony.
While the Sony is no doubt a good value it’s certainly not the same user experience. Also you can’t compare a G 2.8 to a Summilux lens… to get the equivalent in Sony (wide aperture and premium line) you’re looking at a bigger heavier GM 1.4 prime that’s easy 1000$ more that the example in the video… but yes the Sony is fine alternative. Use what you like and what makes you happy.
sony all the way! great video.
Really awesome video! I shoot with an A7C and for the past few months I've been obsessing on how to make it more of an everyday camera like the Q3. Eventually ended up getting the Sony G 40mm f2.5 and I've been very happy with it! I sometimes wish I had that extra stop, but it hasn't been a dealbreaker.
Wow thanks a lot for the profile ...its great and thanks for the video!!!!!
My pleasure
Crushed it! If only Sony could get the bottons on their cameras (too many!) and their hilarious menu system (WTF) under control, I'd be sold 🤣
I don't know man ... Leica still win in colors for me
Great vid and thanks for the colour profile. Going to try it with my A6700 shots. I wish there was a way of getting the Fuji Simulations into my camera though, that would be so good. Cheers!
Technically you can. They’re admittedly not as good, but I can make a video on that soon!
@@kylemeshna That would be amazing, I think it'll be a popular video,
@@Sonic-BoomI bought some color profiles from Cobalt Image. They have some Fuji color and black and white profiles you could try. They sell separate profiles for Lightroom and Capture One so they are not in camera profiles. You have to buy the profile for your camera. Then by the profile for the look that you want or the film that you want. I bought some of their film color profiles and film black and white profiles and I like them.
The aperture difference is more than low light performance, it's depth of field and transition from in focus to out of focus behaves far differently. While field of view is slightly wider than som other 28mm the effects of distortion are similar. This 24mm has a different curvature and distortion profile to the Q3 for objects near the edge of frame. Overall I prefer the image rendering of the Q3. Try some portrait comparisons and get a bit closer.
the f1.7 is irreplaceable tho. 28mm f1.7 wide open is dream like.
First I will say that Leica should make a "QM" camera with Leica mount, no optical viewfinder, but the very best EVF ! My "Leica" Camera are the Sony A7RIV with Zeiss, Voigtländer and Sony GM Lenses. I like the design of the Sony A7RC with the EVF in the corner, but the EVF is too small with too low resolution, it also miss a joystick, so maybe Sony will make the next model more perfect.
Evf and joystick are my two biggest issues with the A7CR as well
@@kylemeshna Let´s send Sony a thought and wish for better EVF and a joystick in the next version of A7CRII
Batis 25mm F2 could be the sleeper option here, lens is sooo gooood.
That lens is indeed very good. I just dislike that it doesn’t have an aperture ring, focus hold, or mf switch. But optically it’s fantastic
Yeah duh didn't even cross my mind on any of those, probably because I don't use them but for sure some people like yourself obviously do 😂👍
I'm very much a function over form type of person, so while this isn't for me, I respect the hell out of you taking the time to do it all.
Kyle, completely hit the nail on the head with the video. When i was focused on photos the Z6ii suited me but as I moved towards video I found I struggled with the Nikon and the other struggle was the price of lenses for the camera. When I seen an A7iv for the right money and I could get third party lenses I moved instantly and now I have no isses with video or struggle to record. Just a pity its 4k 60 is cropped.
The Nikon Z6ii was my 7th camera but the sony has been a revelation for me
Great video! The Sony setup is for sure better than the Leica. The Leica is only better at being expensive
nice vid! I paired my a7cr with the silver smallrig baseplate and sigma 24mm 3.5 to complete the vintage vibe. lovely images!
Great video. I’ve added a Q2M to my Fuji XT5 kit. I’m happy!
I agree with you. Shooting Leica M myself I think most leica people would say the leica lens makes better bokeh perhaps and is the most important thing. Did you try that? Other than that having the option to change lens and have better AF is so important I think. And only having a 28mm is not very good at all.
Thanks for sharing!
But what about?? The Sony menu system. I hear it’s mind bending. The Leica seems much easier. You should address the menu and handling experience. Lastly, simplicity/ease of use is very important to most senior citizens …like me @75 where my brain is not as snappy as yesteryear.
The problem with the Q3 and the Q2 is that manual focussing is 'focus by wire'. I'd rather have an interchangeable lens system with mechanically coupled manual focus.
As for making a Sony into a Q3, you might as well buy a Panasonic Lumix S5 II. Why? Because you can buy an M-L lens adapter and you get access to the entire range of M lenses (with notable exceptions) from Leica, Zeiss and Voightlander et al.
You can buy an M-E adapter as well and get the same thing