@@laihela If I would have known that I get punished for grinding out a tech tree I wouldn't have touched this game let alone invest money in it... you see for most of the progression the player is rewarded with higher earnings and new mechanics... it is at the very end of a tech tree where gaijin decided it is better to have us bleed to death rapidly as a "reward". That being said... I feel completely scammed and imho the problem lies with gaijin alone and the only reason why a big chunk of players still pay is because they are being deceived.
@@WIKUS70 that was once the case but the uneconomical band has decended down the tech tree. The sim economy was also tweeted so it went from silver neutral to nearly always negative.
The economy by far is the biggest reason the sim community isn’t 2-3x it’s current size. The useful action system was a nice attempt, but it will never work because at its core, it tells players “you don’t get rewarded for for doing well” so why would players care to be competitive? They aren’t really fighting over anything after all…in fact, the best way to make money in SIM is score a couple points every 15 minutes, then RUN AWAY so you don’t die and pay a spawn cost. Players have caught on and they are doing exactly this, which is sad because I’m not here to make digital money, I already make real life money. I’m here to have fun, and the UA system discourages active participation in deadly battle. A very very simple solution would be to bring back the rewards based on action, but instead of using a linear scale like before (allowing players to make millions of SL) use an intelligent LOGARITHMIC scale that looks at net profit made during the match. For example… say a player isn’t doing so well, he’s died 5 times, killed 2 players, he’s made 40k but paid 100k In spawn costs, so he’s down -60k, right? Right… so his next kill/action is gonna grant him double the normal amount of SL, helping him dig out of the hole faster. Great, the players happy because he’s not loosing thousands, and gaijin is happy because he isn’t making millions. Now let’s say a player is popping off… he’s got 20kills and 2 deaths, he’s made 200k and paid 40k in spawns, so net wise he’s up 160k… his next kill counts as 1/4 the normal amount, he doesn’t care because he’s still making money and getting rewarded for doing well, and gaijin is happy too because his NET PROFIT is being tapered off and controlled. With some tuning, using a LOG SCALE, gaijin could easily bring back rewards based on action and fit it into their business mode, in terms of what they are happy with players making. You would see the sim community triple within a week. Mark my words.
With your system you could also motivate people to have a more varied plane selection, if different kinds of awards follow independen curves. You know after 5 air kills you will get diminishing rewards so you better switch to a bomber for a couple of sorties.
Being good and getting 1/4 for each kill kinda suck making people left the game when they got enough kills and join another match to "reset" Their multiplier
@@austinkylereid I think it could be fun if sim was higher reward and higher risk than rb, like rb is compared to ab. So increasing rewards instead of reducing repair costs.
Glad to see more people spreading the word. I don't know what'll happen with all our feedback, but I'm glad they asked for it. I hope that it, at least, wakes them up.
I hope so too! It was really encouraging to read your post on discord which stated that the devs have never reached out to us like this, hopefully its a sign of things to come.
I just filled out the survey. I have been flying in WT for nine years and flying sim ec for four of those years. I entered a lot of my personal pet peeves gathered over the years. Maybe a few of them will finally be corrected. We can hope LOL
Also can someone add stuff about cockpit instruments? how the RWR doesnt display correctly in some planes? in the phantoms no fuel is displayed, in the Tomcat the fuel flow indicator doesnt work, so on and so forth. If we can also get a HUD expansion on modern jets when we deploy landing flaps we get a velocity vector or whatever landing hud is on those fighters.
Cockpit instrumentation on most airplanes could use help, however I hate to say it, probably not a priority for most. Especially with game breaking problems like the economy staring us in the face.
I have to say no more paying for your own aircraft when a teammate kills you..... also on the radar, the background is so bright it's sometimes hard to see if it's a friendly or foe. So maybe an option to make the background more transparent. Oh and lower the prices some on the cost of using non premium planes in sim
What if the scout plane is an AWACS at top tier that reveals friendly positions on the map. So as long as a friendly AWACS is alive it shows all friendlies as a dot on the map. It revealing enemy locations would be too overpowered.
Having a BRAA/Bullseye radio communication system like DCS would fix this to an extent. Datalink on 4th gen aircraft would be problematic since they see matches with planes without DL
One of the biggest missing features for the hud which has no business not being there already is a working velocity indicator. At the moment gaijin uses the velocity icon on a lot of jets as the gun reticle or attitude but a working velocity indicator would be greatly appreciated. Also it would be amazing for the fuel time to be accurately showed for all throttle positions. Seriously gaijin. Fuel_mass / Fuel_flow (or whatever they use in their code) that's it, a single division algorithm in the code will not hurt the performance and it would be a massive quality of life upgrade. Its comical how its been the longest lasting bug in the game since release, and has such a simple fix.
One thing that should also be added that I forgot to write in the docs document was to add a special "my location is [Insert] here!" and a second "Whats your location?" button to help with organizing, I know "Follow me/Guide on me." is used for that but newer players often don't know that and having a Whats your location? voice chat would be very helpful.
I especially agree with the removal of the kill feed, at least for ai targets. So many damn thirsty fighters go after my essentially defenseless am-1 or a-26b
I stopped playing when I no longer had enough SL to spawn. At this point it turns into an extremely expensive game. I have no problem paying money for aircraft, maps, DLC, whatever. But paying real money just to be able to play for a few hours doesn't make any sense
Exactly. We pay enough money as it is for premium, vehicles, etc…. But now we have so pay real money simply to spawn in the game??? Sounds like a subscription fee lol
Adding relative control to the keys for moving surfaces while still using mouse-joystick would help with tracking , same as it is for the rudder key. But, make it separate from the Mouse-Joystick so that changes in sensitivity and nonlinearity don't affect the Mouse Input, this part is critical.
While removing all player made lobbies would help with farmers, I am concerned that we would no longer be able to have mass public EC events! Also work on the doubled lobby bug!
That's actually something that occured to me after recording this, it would make joining friends quite difficult if they're already in a match. Which might become a problem because the matches are so long.. however it would no doubt fix the farming issue and as a result the economy which would attract more players, so I guess we have to ask ourselves what we'd rather have...
I agree with Garb, while this is a two-edged sword, player made lobbies are the staple of player generated events. Perhaps we could take the middle grounds, make player made lobbies a squadron privilege or consume resources to make (SL? Token system?) so it is limited, but not impossible. Definitely make it not worth for the farmers, but still a possible option if you really want an event going on.
I think the biggest issue in sim is the inability to tell who is friendly and who is enemy because the game will spawn aircraft and ground units from the wrong nation to be on a team. It’s such a frustrating experience when you successfully shoot down an enemy plane only to be told it was a friendly ai because the game has no logic regarding what aircraft it spawns. If you don’t have a radar with IFF, how are you to know? Often the blue dots don’t even appear until they’re near enough to ram or don’t appear at all. New players to sim suffer the most from this issue because they simply aren’t aware of it-and how would they until it happens. This also effects ground targets when ground battles are waging because the units get close to each other and sometimes spawn opposite sides from how they should. Hitting ground targets is a huge pain in the ass and unrewarding in general. Sinking a destroyer for example is only 130 points.. that’s ridiculous. Other ground targets are even harder to destroy because they can be nearly impossible to see since 80% of the roads and the vehicles that use them don’t follow the laws of gravity and the paths they take are completely nonsensical- going up sheer cliffs and zigzagging across the map for no reason. Every road on every EC map needs to be smoothed out and reworked and each vehicle that uses them needs to be properly programmed to follow the new paths. All of them. Every map.
I can’t understand how I was hugging the tree line with my viper in sim and got killed by a radar missle but in arb they fly into the dirt from multipathing.
Wow, that's actually really promising I've thought they have long abandoned and completely forgotten about sim battles, like completely, but it seems like it's not that bad
Drastically increase rewards across the board, or back back to the old day’s economy(2014-2018) where you got all the RP and lions for all of your kills without any Diminished returns.
ive been playing sim on keyboard and mouse for a while now and i would like to see a video on your recommmened controls for moving your head and plane at the same time
That’s all I play on. In short I use space at as free look. When I’m using freelook I’m using mouse for head movement and WASD for pitch and roll. It works great cause when I’m free looking, I don’t need precise control say for a gunshot, so the ON/OFF nature of keys doesn’t matter. To avoid pulling too hard just rapidly tap the keys instead of long pressing. Then, once the bandit is in my hud, release the freelook and use mouse for precise aiming. It’s a bit odd switching flying hands constantly but once you get used to it, it’s the best way I know of for simple mouse keyboard users like us.
i will like if the rewards you get for killing someone are the same amount of SL to repair that vehicle, so if you kill a big juicy plane like a F-14 you get more money than if you killed a F-86
Lead indicators, idc what people say, no matter how good your aim is, you'll be wasting time trying to kill someone still, adding a lead indicator for the aircraft that have it, allows you to end the fight and focus on someone else as quick as possible or rtb as quick as possible as to not get ambushed, with a lead indicator, you can end the fight in literally 10 seconds maybe less if your at the right angle, I don't wanna miss twice or maybe once just to get it on my last attempt for another player to then ambush me or have enough time to launch a fox 2 at me as I'm slow or quickly glance away from them.
That's the reason I've been trying to avoid dogfights since the last update.. A proper lead indicator would also buff one circle fighters like the Mirages and Viggens IMO
@Nimbal yes, but that's why players need to learn how to Jink, very simple and easy to learn, when you see the bandit about to point it's nose at you or looks like it has a shot, you gonna have to jinks to throw his aim off, plus, once circle fighter's like the mirage and viggen have a pretty low bullet drop off, which makes easier to dodge, don't get me wrong yes it would make it harder to fight them, but there many different ways to win/different maneuvers to pull off. Either way if they add it, it would also massively help new players end the fight quicker, or they can add for aircraft the need it as to keep it "balanced"
if you want lead indicators play in rb mode. Sim mode suppose to be like real life (no lead indicators). Anyhow once you learn how to lead shots on your own(it's not rocket science), kills become way more satisfying!
@vracan I don't want to play rb, second, 3rd gen and 4th gen and above gens had lead indicators as it was to help end gun fights as quick as possible, third, it doesn't matter how good you could be at leading, if the player knows how to jinx properly, you ain't gonna hit shit 😂.
If I go in my F-16a with bomb load out. Bomb targets and survive on my way back to the airfield and land allow me to have the option of changing my load out for air to air in the same aircraft. I shouldn't have to leave the aircraft change my load out and have to pay the full cost as if I've been shot down.
@@gabrielneves6602 A genie will give you 3 wishes, but will twist the words of your wish to bring misfortune in any way possible, while technically fulfilling the wish. Basically, the genie tries to fuck you over when it grants your wish
I literally uninstalled the game the BR compression was so bad. It had me up against Mig29s, and F16s in my Lightning f6. The thing doesnt even have a RWR, I was helpless. I fled back to DCS, which is probably a more sane option than letting warthunder treat me that way.
what i want them to do is change the ai units to the match br, im tired if seeing il-28's and tu-14's with their 23mm aimbot spam in my 262, what am i supposed to do against them this is a problem in rb EC aswell, a 262 and even a g91 cant outspeed near supersonic fighters going topspeed, not to mention 1 team's ai vehicles on some maps like afghanistan ramming into a mountain all the time
idk if this will be controversial but while there are a lot of complaints about eagle dynamics (the company behind dcs) i personally think for a combat flight sim, that developer and that game is much more worth your time and money than wt (for flight sim purposes)
I agree with everything said in the vid, but I feel that us, prop players are being overshadowed by top tier players... sad. And by the way, i feel like letting the canopy shouldn't be forced close. Actually we should be able to open the canopy on ANY plane (for the props), wich is not the case actually.
Economy is easily the biggest problem, but far from the only one. I'm trying to be hopeful that they are now moving in the right direction after 3 years of doing everything possible to kill the mode and community. That said, I'll be lending my voice where I can, but watching from the sidelines. Gaijin's issues drove me away from War Thunder completely back in 2022, and I had started to migrate fully over to IL2 and DCS long before that. Here's hoping that the most accessible sim can be made playable, enjoyable, and fun once again
Reward PVP kills better and people will come to Sim. Having to do better than 3 K/D just to break even in some planes is BS. Also, multiply the rewards for downing high K/D players based on their K/D on the particular aircraft they are flying (e.g. 7x rewards for downing a 7 K/D player). That would be fair.
True, but how quickly you reach that cap in terms of points scored in game is not. That’s the problem, in props the UA system works decent, but in jets especially top tier the pace of the game makes it very common to reach that cap well before the 15minute reset.
You, and nearly everyone else, doesn't realise that the ONLY way to play sim effectively is to start a timer for 15 minutes, get 2 kills (or 800 points) and then return to the airfield until the timer is up and you get your UA reward. Then take off and land for your 20% bonus. Repeat. Getting 5 kills is 100% pointless and will likely lead to your death. Gaijin made the mode kind of stupid now. I can get 2 kills in the first minute and then have to sit on the airfield popping flares every 2 minutes for 14 minutes... How is this fun? More fun than losing SL (and potential SL+RP) in pointless dogfights...
My dream is to see ships in the sim EC. Simply add them into present air EC with naval map (like Dover, Malta etc.) and with correct (sim) setup - no lead markers, no lock square, no tracers etc. It would not be so difficult and with right implementation, it would be fun. But ships must be selected for every EC, i.e. Dreadnought (WWI stuff) etc. in the EC1... top ships (like Kronstad, end WWII cruisers) in the EC4 - EC5.
I’m not totally against ships but I worry about the performance hit they would add. Tracking all of those AA projectiles is very performance intensive and a lot of us simply wouldn’t enjoy air sim if ships meant we lost 10-20 fps when ships are firing.
They made the economy in sim so bad I almost never end the match with positive SL unless I use a premium aircraft like the F5 or XP50 since they have a much lower repair cost and higher reward for kills. I assume this is on purpose to make people buy premium.
I disagree with the killfeed thing, maybe just make it so that you get it for people that are close. Like lets say 2~km, any death within it will be shown.
Im not giving gaijin any money until they fix this shitshow of a game mode. It's a literal gold mine that sits in a very good spot within the Sim gaming community and they just take turns either shitting it up or ignoring it entirely. If they actually show some sign of changing that trend not only will I be shocked, I might actually spend money on this game again
I'd say I agree with everything but the lobby choice. There are certain maps I like more than others and I would like to use anti-ship missiles when they're more fleshed out. I would hate to activate a booster to use anti-ship missiles and be forced to play on a map like Vietnam. I get choosing to create a lobby isn't ideal, but it would make torpedo bombers and anti-ship missiles useless in the game mode. What they do need to fix is the time of day and put that on the lobby screen along with the map. It sucks loading into a game with an A10 or other slow attacker just to find out the time of day is too dark for TV guided munitions. I've lost out on multiple 100% or more boosters because without TV guided munitions, those slower attackers cant get close enough due to SPAA.
Wait wait...wind? Wind is IN but not implemented in war thunder? Why isn't it in RB and sim already! this makes me so sad. from the time i spend in MSFS2020, i find myself sometimes sticking to one side of a valley when i'm flying between mountains in war thunder, pretending that side is the one with the updraft XD
A change on the radar so it display allies as the triangles with lines and threats as triangles on aircraft with the radars capable of recognizing friendly and enemy. Also only pay for respawning when you die cuz man, suck to pay 10+k to spawn my attackers. And PLZ NERF THE EFFING CONVOY AND MINI BASE SPAA
Ive been wanting to get into sim for a while now especially since the F16 was added but the economy has been holding me back from even trying it i dont even make all that much sl in air rb. If i have to grind just to play a game mode where im going to lose money im just gonna go play dcs or il2
I agree with most of it except the heli part, unless they nerf and BR decompress them so it dont end up like the old heli EC mode where if u dint fly a ka50 or a ka52 ur toast, mostly because they can easyle outrange all other helis with the vikhr missile wich made the other helis unusable because other IR missiles where (and still are) pretty much useles against auto deploying flares and missile warning and stuff like that while the russian missile is a visual laser lock. but i like the consept of them adding helis they just need to balance them
Different RWRs tones at least tired of getting on defensive because an SPAA locked me from 5km... The CCIP calculations are HORRENDOUSLY wrong,having to dive more than a Stuka to be at an actual safe altitude and see the drop mark... Incomplete CCRPs like the A10... Bigger maps but with much more things...i mean a dynamic campaing like Falcon BMS has,as a lover of CAS sometimes is dificult to do the same since the game is almost like made for ACM only...theres so much i AW but u cant enjoy it WT because doesnt exist a "Safe fly zone" out of enemy range,you have to be constant fighting for your life and everything pushs you for ACM and its getting boring already...Bigger maps would also bring cool thing like aerial refueling,SAM sites representing a bigger treath to CAS rating up its reward... And for personal desire actual radars at least for the 4th gens would be cool...
they need to fix their fucking game by matchmaking air rb historically or at least adjusting it, im sick of getting sniped with AA rockets across the whole map trying to fly a MIG-17 it's literally unplayable when your every 9.0 match is an uptier
I disagree about the requested change to economy where if you get 10 kills for example you should make less silver lions (diminishing returns) and research points for the 11 kill just because your doing well.....why should you be punished for doing well? You should be rewarded for skill and that is not happening right now.....right now the good pilots are struggling to maintain silver lion income whilst playing sim and the newer sim pilots or mediocre pilots are losing hundreds of thousands of silver lions every match especially at top tier jets. Both are problems and both can be solved at the same time. Silver lion income needs to exponentially increase across the board especially at higher br's and spawn costs need to be adjusted to repair costs instead.
I mean, I would love that as well but practically gaijin will likely not buy into this idea. A log scale gives them reassurance that their business model is protected.
@@Sky_King7 we are arguing for changes we want and we are basically bargaining for what we want. You don’t start off bargaining at a discount, you offer to sell to them higher than it’s worth first and work your way down to a more reasonable price. You ask for something that may be unreasonable to end up with what you want. I’m not gunna start off asking for a gimped reward system. I’ll ask for what I want to start which is great rewards for great pilotage
The rewards are one thing, agreed there, it's currently economically unfeasible to play the gamemode, I want at least as much possible RP/SL gain as RB matches, where I can get 160000SL in 6 minutes without SL booster and I have screenshot to prove it. I played a 3hr SIM match and barely got 350000SL, that's spending 30 times as long for the same SL. Also the BR brackets in conjunction with lack of radar gunsight just really REALLY suck, 10.0 against F-16's and not even a radar gunsight for me to use when I do get behind them in optimal position.. I REALLY, REALLY want actual working gunsight, especially against F-16's massacring my team. Multiple times I get into a good position for guns but too close for missiles (no radar, no iff), and can't hit a damn thing because no radar gunsight and the F-16 just does a little bit of this, a little bit of that and flip all over the place, impossible to hit except by luck. They are supposed to pay for letting me get up behind them at that close a range, no? Then boom, the fight resets and they come in with their blasted Aim 9L's again, with every advantage under the sun. I don't mind fighting against F-16's with my outdated crap, but would very much like the historically accurate means with which to fight them, when they have EVERY other advantage. So surely a radar gunsight, in SIM mode no less ( 🤣🤣), for planes that historically had them, shouldn't be all that far fetched!? Why are they bongling this so much?
See what they need to do in cases like this, is financially incentivize playing the bottom of the bracket vehicles so it makes it worthwhile to play, maybe even more profitable, now we have variety and people aren’t getting screwed two ways (financially and being out gunned)
One big thing keeping me from playing WT's sim over DCS or IL2 (aside from the other problems plaguing it) is that I can't get my Tobii setup to work. Having VR is great, but I don't think you can really have a sim in 2023 without supporting Tobii or TrackIR natively (preferably both). I know this isn't the biggest issue the gamemode faces, but I NEVER see it get brought up. I think this is a shame, especially for how often I see people saying that they would play sim if they didn't need a VR headset to look around reliably. At least for Tobii, the company is very enthusiastic about helping developers integrate it into their games, but has made it very clear that their hands are tied until a developer decides to support it.
11.3+ should be it’s own br Because even something like the premium mirage can’t compete against the f16 and the mig 29 Can’t flare anything, they flare you off if you sneeze, you lose them on radar if you sneeze, you can’t put turn them, you can’t outrun them, why do they face each other Why do 9.7 BR vehicles play at 11.7? How does a mig21 do anything about an f16? How does a drakken do anything?
I will say, playing a 40 minute match of 11.7 in the premium mirage, I died every single time I went out, did absolutely NOTHING, and still went positive Being cannon fodder In a premium seems to help you out
Are the results of that survey ready?? It tells me that the survey its closed and that the results will be uploaded later, but its been a while and they may be uploaded to another forum
Yeah the survey closed, it could take a while untill we get some feedback though, there was a lot to go through apparently and I think it's just one person doing it. However I'll make a video or a post about it if I hear anything significant.
I would rather have an independent paid DLC/game with individual paid vehicle to just play Sims and not worrying about the repair cost, than it being ignored and wasted.
bot grinder is there because the reward in the realistic mod is totally suck bombing airfields and bases in sim are far more efficient believe it or not, i grind my whole german tech tree and most necessary modifications(like better missile or laser bomb) in sim by doing hundreds of bombing runs, and it just took me 3 months to get my first top tier and 3 more months to unlock the whole tech tree it would take me maybe 6 years if i just play realistic and i won't make enough SL needed to buy those aircraft without premium account it's not just problems in sim, it's the problem for the whole game just like 9.7/10.0 full of grinder with f5c a10early and su25k
Loved flying sim battles but I just had to uninstall WT the other day after reaching my first top tier vehicle and being greeted with this abomination of a cost reward ratio. What kind of nutjob comes up with the idea of punishing players for completing a tech tree? Slowing down progression to a point where we open our wallets is one thing but THIS is a sure way to make players leave the game. What a shame... Anyway all of the suggestions made here sound amazing and I would return if gaijin gets a grip.
800k / match is only good if you only lose like 20k in that match. Otherwise it should be like 3 mil / match if you lose 400k sl, I can play a 15 min game in air rb in Isr A-4E and earn 75k / game.
Fun how an argument against doing Battlepass or some other events are countered by Gaijin with "It is exploitable"... Yet, Naval is full of bot players having no trouble to fulfill most event tasks, and only one thing was done by Gaijin to try and reduce the bot epidemic there and naval is still not excluded from events (well not advocating for that, but just trying to point out the hypocrisy).
What i hate most is that BR Matchmaking they added... :-) Its kinda crigy when you play with 9.7 against 11.3.... Whats the point of this? Also spawn prices are really high. At least for me casual palyer who is trying to have fun and not having depression from that. I have Literally researched like 3 top tier planes and i dont have SL for purchasing them.
Zero balance economy should be obvious to all, farming and cheaters as well. However, they need to fix the gameplay - the tasks are bad, the simulation is mediocre, the maps small... EC needs a conceptual makeover to make it more of a simulation and economy options can be added by adding new gameplay mechanics. They cannot be bothered for proper radar, they cannot be bothered for proper runways with taxing, they cannot be bothered with normal RWR, they cannot be bothered to make cockpit instruments work instead of the ugly RB huds... Absolutely nothing done to help with headtracking... Like, its not really that difficult! The mode has future and the SIM community may not be the bigger part of players, but sim players are loyal and sim players invest in the hobby. Sim players en masse have prem, they have all types of additional gear to play and they will spend more if they see something worth it!
They fucking removed the indication for the radar horizontal tilt for planes which radars can be set to specific altitudes which the HUD will display!!!!
If Gaijin just made it fair, then you'd get a million players and they'd make enough money and no one would have to go farming in the first place as the rewards would be good, modern psychopathy is really boring.....
The kill feed thing is stupid. Just make it optional like everything else. There's no reason to remove it for everyone completely. Even DCS players have and use kill feeds on some servers. I don't even play Sim btw, that's just an astoundingly dumb idea. Especially considering even in Sim, this game isn't trying to be an actual Sim like DCS, which again, also has kill feeds available. Also, wind does actually exist on all EC maps, you can see it in the ladder view's velocity indicator in RB or even custom games.
They clearly have to stagger the repair cost. I find that stupid. Think of it like this. You are playing at the top of a br tier, any tier its irrelevant. Your plane is out and out one of the best in its bracket, it kicks ass, makes you plenty sl and its repair cost is (just for example) 55k sl. Then you research a plane up in the next tier, make the jump. You are now playing in the shittest, least capable plane. You are clearly going to die in it every so often through the match. Its repair cost is 60k sl. Yes the repair cost should be generally higher as you go up but there should definitely be a boost if the plane is shit in it's own class.
Today's BR bracket is shit as hell, 9.7-12.0, how the fuck a Mig-23BN gonna counter a F-14 or a F-16? Imagine like: 8.0-8.7 9.0-9.7 10.0-10.7 11.0-12.0 This should be like this, for real, and I still can't believe that the Fulcrum is cheaper than the Thunderstreak F on Sim, the F-84F costs 32k
I'd be surprised if we don't see a new bracket added when 12.0 BR's get added to Sim, last time we saw a new BR bracket added was 8.0-10.3 which is the same difference as 9.7-12.0 so here's hoping 🤞
I really do not understand why someone would play a SIM game on WT with F16, Mig29, F14 and all the modern stuff when we have much better simulated sandbox for those birds. Is this a skill isue?
Plot twist: They're asking what we want so they know what to make worse so we spend more money out of frustration
Hey don't reveal their evil plan ;)
Solution: Stop feeding them with your money. Seriously, the only reason companies do this sh*t is because it works.
@@laihela We know that's a solution, but unfortunately, not enough people care enough to do that. The whales don't care
@@laihela If I would have known that I get punished for grinding out a tech tree I wouldn't have touched this game let alone invest money in it... you see for most of the progression the player is rewarded with higher earnings and new mechanics... it is at the very end of a tech tree where gaijin decided it is better to have us bleed to death rapidly as a "reward". That being said... I feel completely scammed and imho the problem lies with gaijin alone and the only reason why a big chunk of players still pay is because they are being deceived.
@@WIKUS70 that was once the case but the uneconomical band has decended down the tech tree. The sim economy was also tweeted so it went from silver neutral to nearly always negative.
The economy by far is the biggest reason the sim community isn’t 2-3x it’s current size. The useful action system was a nice attempt, but it will never work because at its core, it tells players “you don’t get rewarded for for doing well” so why would players care to be competitive? They aren’t really fighting over anything after all…in fact, the best way to make money in SIM is score a couple points every 15 minutes, then RUN AWAY so you don’t die and pay a spawn cost. Players have caught on and they are doing exactly this, which is sad because I’m not here to make digital money, I already make real life money. I’m here to have fun, and the UA system discourages active participation in deadly battle.
A very very simple solution would be to bring back the rewards based on action, but instead of using a linear scale like before (allowing players to make millions of SL) use an intelligent LOGARITHMIC scale that looks at net profit made during the match.
For example… say a player isn’t doing so well, he’s died 5 times, killed 2 players, he’s made 40k but paid 100k In spawn costs, so he’s down -60k, right? Right… so his next kill/action is gonna grant him double the normal amount of SL, helping him dig out of the hole faster. Great, the players happy because he’s not loosing thousands, and gaijin is happy because he isn’t making millions.
Now let’s say a player is popping off… he’s got 20kills and 2 deaths, he’s made 200k and paid 40k in spawns, so net wise he’s up 160k… his next kill counts as 1/4 the normal amount, he doesn’t care because he’s still making money and getting rewarded for doing well, and gaijin is happy too because his NET PROFIT is being tapered off and controlled.
With some tuning, using a LOG SCALE, gaijin could easily bring back rewards based on action and fit it into their business mode, in terms of what they are happy with players making.
You would see the sim community triple within a week. Mark my words.
With your system you could also motivate people to have a more varied plane selection, if different kinds of awards follow independen curves. You know after 5 air kills you will get diminishing rewards so you better switch to a bomber for a couple of sorties.
reducing repair costs SIGNIFICANTLY would make it so less stressful
Being good and getting 1/4 for each kill kinda suck making people left the game when they got enough kills and join another match to "reset" Their multiplier
@@austinkylereid I think it could be fun if sim was higher reward and higher risk than rb, like rb is compared to ab. So increasing rewards instead of reducing repair costs.
@@potatofuryy that would work too
Glad to see more people spreading the word. I don't know what'll happen with all our feedback, but I'm glad they asked for it. I hope that it, at least, wakes them up.
I hope so too! It was really encouraging to read your post on discord which stated that the devs have never reached out to us like this, hopefully its a sign of things to come.
I just filled out the survey. I have been flying in WT for nine years and flying sim ec for four of those years. I entered a lot of my personal pet peeves gathered over the years. Maybe a few of them will finally be corrected. We can hope LOL
Also can someone add stuff about cockpit instruments? how the RWR doesnt display correctly in some planes? in the phantoms no fuel is displayed, in the Tomcat the fuel flow indicator doesnt work, so on and so forth. If we can also get a HUD expansion on modern jets when we deploy landing flaps we get a velocity vector or whatever landing hud is on those fighters.
Cockpit instrumentation on most airplanes could use help, however I hate to say it, probably not a priority for most. Especially with game breaking problems like the economy staring us in the face.
@@Sky_King7 while true, still kinda sucks. Especially when we console sim players wanna play DCS but cant afford
Whole heartedly agree.
I have to say no more paying for your own aircraft when a teammate kills you..... also on the radar, the background is so bright it's sometimes hard to see if it's a friendly or foe. So maybe an option to make the background more transparent. Oh and lower the prices some on the cost of using non premium planes in sim
What if the scout plane is an AWACS at top tier that reveals friendly positions on the map. So as long as a friendly AWACS is alive it shows all friendlies as a dot on the map. It revealing enemy locations would be too overpowered.
Having a BRAA/Bullseye radio communication system like DCS would fix this to an extent. Datalink on 4th gen aircraft would be problematic since they see matches with planes without DL
One of the biggest missing features for the hud which has no business not being there already is a working velocity indicator. At the moment gaijin uses the velocity icon on a lot of jets as the gun reticle or attitude but a working velocity indicator would be greatly appreciated.
Also it would be amazing for the fuel time to be accurately showed for all throttle positions. Seriously gaijin. Fuel_mass / Fuel_flow (or whatever they use in their code) that's it, a single division algorithm in the code will not hurt the performance and it would be a massive quality of life upgrade. Its comical how its been the longest lasting bug in the game since release, and has such a simple fix.
Which is funny because if you go the ladder view/virtual cockpit view (not the ACTUAL cockpit view) it has a correctly working velocity indicator.
One thing that should also be added that I forgot to write in the docs document was to add a special "my location is [Insert] here!" and a second "Whats your location?" button to help with organizing, I know "Follow me/Guide on me." is used for that but newer players often don't know that and having a Whats your location? voice chat would be very helpful.
I especially agree with the removal of the kill feed, at least for ai targets.
So many damn thirsty fighters go after my essentially defenseless am-1 or a-26b
I stopped playing when I no longer had enough SL to spawn. At this point it turns into an extremely expensive game. I have no problem paying money for aircraft, maps, DLC, whatever. But paying real money just to be able to play for a few hours doesn't make any sense
Exactly. We pay enough money as it is for premium, vehicles, etc…. But now we have so pay real money simply to spawn in the game??? Sounds like a subscription fee lol
You forgot to ask for a god damn Missile Launch RWR
Wouldn't a convoy radio it in if they were being attacked by a nasty A-10? And be all like "Mayday mayday! Need CAP to come and slap this guy ASAP!"
Adding relative control to the keys for moving surfaces while still using mouse-joystick would help with tracking , same as it is for the rudder key. But, make it separate from the Mouse-Joystick so that changes in sensitivity and nonlinearity don't affect the Mouse Input, this part is critical.
just buy a flight stick like a hotas
While removing all player made lobbies would help with farmers, I am concerned that we would no longer be able to have mass public EC events! Also work on the doubled lobby bug!
That's actually something that occured to me after recording this, it would make joining friends quite difficult if they're already in a match. Which might become a problem because the matches are so long.. however it would no doubt fix the farming issue and as a result the economy which would attract more players, so I guess we have to ask ourselves what we'd rather have...
I agree with Garb, while this is a two-edged sword, player made lobbies are the staple of player generated events. Perhaps we could take the middle grounds, make player made lobbies a squadron privilege or consume resources to make (SL? Token system?) so it is limited, but not impossible. Definitely make it not worth for the farmers, but still a possible option if you really want an event going on.
I think the biggest issue in sim is the inability to tell who is friendly and who is enemy because the game will spawn aircraft and ground units from the wrong nation to be on a team.
It’s such a frustrating experience when you successfully shoot down an enemy plane only to be told it was a friendly ai because the game has no logic regarding what aircraft it spawns. If you don’t have a radar with IFF, how are you to know? Often the blue dots don’t even appear until they’re near enough to ram or don’t appear at all. New players to sim suffer the most from this issue because they simply aren’t aware of it-and how would they until it happens.
This also effects ground targets when ground battles are waging because the units get close to each other and sometimes spawn opposite sides from how they should.
Hitting ground targets is a huge pain in the ass and unrewarding in general. Sinking a destroyer for example is only 130 points.. that’s ridiculous. Other ground targets are even harder to destroy because they can be nearly impossible to see since 80% of the roads and the vehicles that use them don’t follow the laws of gravity and the paths they take are completely nonsensical- going up sheer cliffs and zigzagging across the map for no reason.
Every road on every EC map needs to be smoothed out and reworked and each vehicle that uses them needs to be properly programmed to follow the new paths. All of them. Every map.
I can’t understand how I was hugging the tree line with my viper in sim and got killed by a radar missle but in arb they fly into the dirt from multipathing.
Wow, that's actually really promising
I've thought they have long abandoned and completely forgotten about sim battles, like completely, but it seems like it's not that bad
Tbh I’m switching to DCS at this point, I’m done waiting for them to fix sim
Drastically increase rewards across the board, or back back to the old day’s economy(2014-2018) where you got all the RP and lions for all of your kills without any Diminished returns.
ive been playing sim on keyboard and mouse for a while now and i would like to see a video on your recommmened controls for moving your head and plane at the same time
That’s all I play on.
In short I use space at as free look.
When I’m using freelook I’m using mouse for head movement and WASD for pitch and roll. It works great cause when I’m free looking, I don’t need precise control say for a gunshot, so the ON/OFF nature of keys doesn’t matter. To avoid pulling too hard just rapidly tap the keys instead of long pressing.
Then, once the bandit is in my hud, release the freelook and use mouse for precise aiming.
It’s a bit odd switching flying hands constantly but once you get used to it, it’s the best way I know of for simple mouse keyboard users like us.
i will like if the rewards you get for killing someone are the same amount of SL to repair that vehicle, so if you kill a big juicy plane like a F-14 you get more money than if you killed a F-86
I love that idea!
Lead indicators, idc what people say, no matter how good your aim is, you'll be wasting time trying to kill someone still, adding a lead indicator for the aircraft that have it, allows you to end the fight and focus on someone else as quick as possible or rtb as quick as possible as to not get ambushed, with a lead indicator, you can end the fight in literally 10 seconds maybe less if your at the right angle, I don't wanna miss twice or maybe once just to get it on my last attempt for another player to then ambush me or have enough time to launch a fox 2 at me as I'm slow or quickly glance away from them.
That's the reason I've been trying to avoid dogfights since the last update..
A proper lead indicator would also buff one circle fighters like the Mirages and Viggens IMO
@Nimbal yes, but that's why players need to learn how to Jink, very simple and easy to learn, when you see the bandit about to point it's nose at you or looks like it has a shot, you gonna have to jinks to throw his aim off, plus, once circle fighter's like the mirage and viggen have a pretty low bullet drop off, which makes easier to dodge, don't get me wrong yes it would make it harder to fight them, but there many different ways to win/different maneuvers to pull off. Either way if they add it, it would also massively help new players end the fight quicker, or they can add for aircraft the need it as to keep it "balanced"
if you want lead indicators play in rb mode. Sim mode suppose to be like real life (no lead indicators). Anyhow once you learn how to lead shots on your own(it's not rocket science), kills become way more satisfying!
@vracan I don't want to play rb, second, 3rd gen and 4th gen and above gens had lead indicators as it was to help end gun fights as quick as possible, third, it doesn't matter how good you could be at leading, if the player knows how to jinx properly, you ain't gonna hit shit 😂.
Incredibly well made, thanks :)
If I go in my F-16a with bomb load out. Bomb targets and survive on my way back to the airfield and land allow me to have the option of changing my load out for air to air in the same aircraft. I shouldn't have to leave the aircraft change my load out and have to pay the full cost as if I've been shot down.
I can’t help but feel that this will be yet another genies lantern situation
What does that mean?
@@gabrielneves6602 A genie will give you 3 wishes, but will twist the words of your wish to bring misfortune in any way possible, while technically fulfilling the wish.
Basically, the genie tries to fuck you over when it grants your wish
@@espressocookie8965 you mean the monkey paw?
@@Wienerslinky idk, I've always heard that genies will twist your words when granting a wish
Damn i've always wanted hellis in EC, it would be so fun to play
I literally uninstalled the game the BR compression was so bad. It had me up against Mig29s, and F16s in my Lightning f6. The thing doesnt even have a RWR, I was helpless. I fled back to DCS, which is probably a more sane option than letting warthunder treat me that way.
I want to be able to mark targets. I know it's part of the skill. But it can be something that dissappear after you don't look at it for 5 seconds
what i want them to do is change the ai units to the match br, im tired if seeing il-28's and tu-14's with their 23mm aimbot spam in my 262, what am i supposed to do against them
this is a problem in rb EC aswell, a 262 and even a g91 cant outspeed near supersonic fighters going topspeed, not to mention 1 team's ai vehicles on some maps like afghanistan ramming into a mountain all the time
idk if this will be controversial but while there are a lot of complaints about eagle dynamics (the company behind dcs) i personally think for a combat flight sim, that developer and that game is much more worth your time and money than wt (for flight sim purposes)
where did the developer "reach out" to the sim community - whats the source
A gamemaster sent out a survey asking for input. the link is in the description.
I agree with everything said in the vid, but I feel that us, prop players are being overshadowed by top tier players... sad.
And by the way, i feel like letting the canopy shouldn't be forced close. Actually we should be able to open the canopy on ANY plane (for the props), wich is not the case actually.
Economy is easily the biggest problem, but far from the only one. I'm trying to be hopeful that they are now moving in the right direction after 3 years of doing everything possible to kill the mode and community. That said, I'll be lending my voice where I can, but watching from the sidelines. Gaijin's issues drove me away from War Thunder completely back in 2022, and I had started to migrate fully over to IL2 and DCS long before that. Here's hoping that the most accessible sim can be made playable, enjoyable, and fun once again
Reward PVP kills better and people will come to Sim. Having to do better than 3 K/D just to break even in some planes is BS. Also, multiply the rewards for downing high K/D players based on their K/D on the particular aircraft they are flying (e.g. 7x rewards for downing a 7 K/D player). That would be fair.
Definitely need to keep the killfeed. How else would you know who died
The SL cap is based on the individual aircraft
True, but how quickly you reach that cap in terms of points scored in game is not. That’s the problem, in props the UA system works decent, but in jets especially top tier the pace of the game makes it very common to reach that cap well before the 15minute reset.
You, and nearly everyone else, doesn't realise that the ONLY way to play sim effectively is to start a timer for 15 minutes, get 2 kills (or 800 points) and then return to the airfield until the timer is up and you get your UA reward. Then take off and land for your 20% bonus. Repeat.
Getting 5 kills is 100% pointless and will likely lead to your death. Gaijin made the mode kind of stupid now. I can get 2 kills in the first minute and then have to sit on the airfield popping flares every 2 minutes for 14 minutes... How is this fun?
More fun than losing SL (and potential SL+RP) in pointless dogfights...
Remove op AAA, give objectives according to vehicle type and class
My dream is to see ships in the sim EC. Simply add them into present air EC with naval map (like Dover, Malta etc.) and with correct (sim) setup - no lead markers, no lock square, no tracers etc. It would not be so difficult and with right implementation, it would be fun. But ships must be selected for every EC, i.e. Dreadnought (WWI stuff) etc. in the EC1... top ships (like Kronstad, end WWII cruisers) in the EC4 - EC5.
I’m not totally against ships but I worry about the performance hit they would add. Tracking all of those AA projectiles is very performance intensive and a lot of us simply wouldn’t enjoy air sim if ships meant we lost 10-20 fps when ships are firing.
They made the economy in sim so bad I almost never end the match with positive SL unless I use a premium aircraft like the F5 or XP50 since they have a much lower repair cost and higher reward for kills. I assume this is on purpose to make people buy premium.
Ofcourse it is but it’s gone too far, now you literally can’t play anything besides premium vehicles on premium time.
I disagree with the killfeed thing, maybe just make it so that you get it for people that are close. Like lets say 2~km, any death within it will be shown.
Im not giving gaijin any money until they fix this shitshow of a game mode. It's a literal gold mine that sits in a very good spot within the Sim gaming community and they just take turns either shitting it up or ignoring it entirely. If they actually show some sign of changing that trend not only will I be shocked, I might actually spend money on this game again
I'd say I agree with everything but the lobby choice. There are certain maps I like more than others and I would like to use anti-ship missiles when they're more fleshed out. I would hate to activate a booster to use anti-ship missiles and be forced to play on a map like Vietnam. I get choosing to create a lobby isn't ideal, but it would make torpedo bombers and anti-ship missiles useless in the game mode.
What they do need to fix is the time of day and put that on the lobby screen along with the map. It sucks loading into a game with an A10 or other slow attacker just to find out the time of day is too dark for TV guided munitions. I've lost out on multiple 100% or more boosters because without TV guided munitions, those slower attackers cant get close enough due to SPAA.
Wait wait...wind? Wind is IN but not implemented in war thunder?
Why isn't it in RB and sim already! this makes me so sad. from the time i spend in MSFS2020, i find myself sometimes sticking to one side of a valley when i'm flying between mountains in war thunder, pretending that side is the one with the updraft XD
Wind and awsome stormy seas insteas of just the placid waters that are now. No idea why they not just turn the on switch.
A change on the radar so it display allies as the triangles with lines and threats as triangles on aircraft with the radars capable of recognizing friendly and enemy.
Also only pay for respawning when you die cuz man, suck to pay 10+k to spawn my attackers.
And PLZ NERF THE EFFING CONVOY AND MINI BASE SPAA
Thank you a lot of good suggestions.
Ive been wanting to get into sim for a while now especially since the F16 was added but the economy has been holding me back from even trying it i dont even make all that much sl in air rb. If i have to grind just to play a game mode where im going to lose money im just gonna go play dcs or il2
im new to sim but it seems perhaps an easy one would be first spawn for free on each plane. at the very least?
You’re that guy that flys with that guy LawManDan. He’s so good 😂
Naw he sucks ;)
@@Sky_King7 🤣
Yes, the viewing issue in combat please.
I agree with most of it except the heli part, unless they nerf and BR decompress them so it dont end up like the old heli EC mode where if u dint fly a ka50 or a ka52 ur toast, mostly because they can easyle outrange all other helis with the vikhr missile wich made the other helis unusable because other IR missiles where (and still are) pretty much useles against auto deploying flares and missile warning and stuff like that while the russian missile is a visual laser lock. but i like the consept of them adding helis they just need to balance them
Agreed. Definitely would need some BR adjusting.
With fighters running around, Ka’s wouldn’t be able to dominate a match the way they did in heli ec
@@hybrid_grizzly if placed in top tier, the ka-50 would be food.
HELIS ON EC SIM PLZZZZZ I WOULD LOVE TO GRIND MY CHINESE CHONKYS IN SIMULATOR, I LITERALLY SPEND HOURS AT TEST FLIGHT ON SIM MODE JUST BC I LIKE IT
Different RWRs tones at least tired of getting on defensive because an SPAA locked me from 5km...
The CCIP calculations are HORRENDOUSLY wrong,having to dive more than a Stuka to be at an actual safe altitude and see the drop mark...
Incomplete CCRPs like the A10...
Bigger maps but with much more things...i mean a dynamic campaing like Falcon BMS has,as a lover of CAS sometimes is dificult to do the same since the game is almost like made for ACM only...theres so much i AW but u cant enjoy it WT because doesnt exist a "Safe fly zone" out of enemy range,you have to be constant fighting for your life and everything pushs you for ACM and its getting boring already...Bigger maps would also bring cool thing like aerial refueling,SAM sites representing a bigger treath to CAS rating up its reward...
And for personal desire actual radars at least for the 4th gens would be cool...
I agree bigger maps is an absolute must, try getting to a mini base in the German Tornado with a full team of F16's on the other side on Denmark....
I think the 55k penalty (I think it varies) for killing an ally should be his repair and spawn
Watching this Jan 2024. It's quite funny and sad that none of the issues you've mentioned have been addressed.
they need to fix their fucking game by matchmaking air rb historically or at least adjusting it, im sick of getting sniped with AA rockets across the whole map trying to fly a MIG-17 it's literally unplayable when your every 9.0 match is an uptier
Hopefully they listen because man I sure did have a lot to say..
i loved playing sim but the repair is so bad that I have to limit myself to prems cus then at least i earn rp and lions
I disagree about the requested change to economy where if you get 10 kills for example you should make less silver lions (diminishing returns) and research points for the 11 kill just because your doing well.....why should you be punished for doing well? You should be rewarded for skill and that is not happening right now.....right now the good pilots are struggling to maintain silver lion income whilst playing sim and the newer sim pilots or mediocre pilots are losing hundreds of thousands of silver lions every match especially at top tier jets. Both are problems and both can be solved at the same time. Silver lion income needs to exponentially increase across the board especially at higher br's and spawn costs need to be adjusted to repair costs instead.
I mean, I would love that as well but practically gaijin will likely not buy into this idea. A log scale gives them reassurance that their business model is protected.
@@Sky_King7 we are arguing for changes we want and we are basically bargaining for what we want. You don’t start off bargaining at a discount, you offer to sell to them higher than it’s worth first and work your way down to a more reasonable price. You ask for something that may be unreasonable to end up with what you want. I’m not gunna start off asking for a gimped reward system. I’ll ask for what I want to start which is great rewards for great pilotage
@@The_Yeti616 I can agree with that haha go for it!
i would force the devs to play 1 hour of air sim every day and i guarantee half of the modes problems would be fixed in a week
These players make money...
Gaijin - "Now no one makes money"
The rewards are one thing, agreed there, it's currently economically unfeasible to play the gamemode, I want at least as much possible RP/SL gain as RB matches, where I can get 160000SL in 6 minutes without SL booster and I have screenshot to prove it.
I played a 3hr SIM match and barely got 350000SL, that's spending 30 times as long for the same SL.
Also the BR brackets in conjunction with lack of radar gunsight just really REALLY suck, 10.0 against F-16's and not even a radar gunsight for me to use when I do get behind them in optimal position..
I REALLY, REALLY want actual working gunsight, especially against F-16's massacring my team.
Multiple times I get into a good position for guns but too close for missiles (no radar, no iff), and can't hit a damn thing because no radar gunsight and the F-16 just does a little bit of this, a little bit of that and flip all over the place, impossible to hit except by luck.
They are supposed to pay for letting me get up behind them at that close a range, no?
Then boom, the fight resets and they come in with their blasted Aim 9L's again, with every advantage under the sun.
I don't mind fighting against F-16's with my outdated crap, but would very much like the historically accurate means with which to fight them, when they have EVERY other advantage.
So surely a radar gunsight, in SIM mode no less ( 🤣🤣), for planes that historically had them, shouldn't be all that far fetched!? Why are they bongling this so much?
See what they need to do in cases like this, is financially incentivize playing the bottom of the bracket vehicles so it makes it worthwhile to play, maybe even more profitable, now we have variety and people aren’t getting screwed two ways (financially and being out gunned)
One big thing keeping me from playing WT's sim over DCS or IL2 (aside from the other problems plaguing it) is that I can't get my Tobii setup to work. Having VR is great, but I don't think you can really have a sim in 2023 without supporting Tobii or TrackIR natively (preferably both). I know this isn't the biggest issue the gamemode faces, but I NEVER see it get brought up. I think this is a shame, especially for how often I see people saying that they would play sim if they didn't need a VR headset to look around reliably.
At least for Tobii, the company is very enthusiastic about helping developers integrate it into their games, but has made it very clear that their hands are tied until a developer decides to support it.
Trackir is supported natively in wt
Well year later no changes at all.
CAS seems impossible lately at BR 8 or higher
Typical Gaijin, survey ended before I even knew about it. I’ve a long list of improvements and fixes for sim, maybe next time.
What about ground sim
I use either a controller and keyboard or a hotas and keyboard
I just don’t wanna fight A10s while i fly a Mig 21 F13 that has garbage missiles and no flares lol
11.3+ should be it’s own br
Because even something like the premium mirage can’t compete against the f16 and the mig 29
Can’t flare anything, they flare you off if you sneeze, you lose them on radar if you sneeze, you can’t put turn them, you can’t outrun them, why do they face each other
Why do 9.7 BR vehicles play at 11.7? How does a mig21 do anything about an f16?
How does a drakken do anything?
I will say, playing a 40 minute match of 11.7 in the premium mirage, I died every single time I went out, did absolutely NOTHING, and still went positive
Being cannon fodder In a premium seems to help you out
Are the results of that survey ready?? It tells me that the survey its closed and that the results will be uploaded later, but its been a while and they may be uploaded to another forum
Yeah the survey closed, it could take a while untill we get some feedback though, there was a lot to go through apparently and I think it's just one person doing it. However I'll make a video or a post about it if I hear anything significant.
@@nimbal3304 Thanks!
Unrelated, but how do you have the gun funnel HUD? Feel like your F16 has much better HUD.
They added it to the MLU recently (Chinese tech tree)
I would rather have an independent paid DLC/game with individual paid vehicle to just play Sims and not worrying about the repair cost, than it being ignored and wasted.
bot grinder is there because the reward in the realistic mod is totally suck
bombing airfields and bases in sim are far more efficient
believe it or not, i grind my whole german tech tree and most necessary modifications(like better missile or laser bomb) in sim by doing hundreds of bombing runs, and it just took me 3 months to get my first top tier and 3 more months to unlock the whole tech tree
it would take me maybe 6 years if i just play realistic and i won't make enough SL needed to buy those aircraft without premium account
it's not just problems in sim, it's the problem for the whole game
just like 9.7/10.0 full of grinder with f5c a10early and su25k
Man this is 4 mon old ? Did they change anything seems bad still needs small maps to be fun
Loved flying sim battles but I just had to uninstall WT the other day after reaching my first top tier vehicle and being greeted with this abomination of a cost reward ratio. What kind of nutjob comes up with the idea of punishing players for completing a tech tree? Slowing down progression to a point where we open our wallets is one thing but THIS is a sure way to make players leave the game. What a shame... Anyway all of the suggestions made here sound amazing and I would return if gaijin gets a grip.
800k / match is only good if you only lose like 20k in that match. Otherwise it should be like 3 mil / match if you lose 400k sl, I can play a 15 min game in air rb in Isr A-4E and earn 75k / game.
I honestly don't get why people who want a sim experience is bothering with WT, but to each their own I guess.
like me, sims like DCS or IL2 are way more demanding on pc systems. Nobody likes stutters, especially in VR. Warthunder is so smooth/well optimized.
Do not nerf the only mode that works, remove those ridiculous aa even in heli pve and put F5 agaisnt its own enemy ans not against F16 or mig29
Fun how an argument against doing Battlepass or some other events are countered by Gaijin with "It is exploitable"... Yet, Naval is full of bot players having no trouble to fulfill most event tasks, and only one thing was done by Gaijin to try and reduce the bot epidemic there and naval is still not excluded from events (well not advocating for that, but just trying to point out the hypocrisy).
What i hate most is that BR Matchmaking they added... :-) Its kinda crigy when you play with 9.7 against 11.3.... Whats the point of this? Also spawn prices are really high. At least for me casual palyer who is trying to have fun and not having depression from that. I have Literally researched like 3 top tier planes and i dont have SL for purchasing them.
DCS is da way
They heard you, so they nerfed it.
This isn't the first golden opportunity.
You know for a fact that nothing will be implemented at all lmao
Bow bout they stop the Russian bias?
huh TIL you had a youtube channel D:
Zero balance economy should be obvious to all, farming and cheaters as well. However, they need to fix the gameplay - the tasks are bad, the simulation is mediocre, the maps small... EC needs a conceptual makeover to make it more of a simulation and economy options can be added by adding new gameplay mechanics. They cannot be bothered for proper radar, they cannot be bothered for proper runways with taxing, they cannot be bothered with normal RWR, they cannot be bothered to make cockpit instruments work instead of the ugly RB huds... Absolutely nothing done to help with headtracking... Like, its not really that difficult! The mode has future and the SIM community may not be the bigger part of players, but sim players are loyal and sim players invest in the hobby. Sim players en masse have prem, they have all types of additional gear to play and they will spend more if they see something worth it!
They fucking removed the indication for the radar horizontal tilt for planes which radars can be set to specific altitudes which the HUD will display!!!!
If Gaijin just made it fair, then you'd get a million players and they'd make enough money and no one would have to go farming in the first place as the rewards would be good, modern psychopathy is really boring.....
Pls change the fucking economy i cant play i will have to waist all my sl for just 1 sortie
The kill feed thing is stupid. Just make it optional like everything else. There's no reason to remove it for everyone completely. Even DCS players have and use kill feeds on some servers.
I don't even play Sim btw, that's just an astoundingly dumb idea. Especially considering even in Sim, this game isn't trying to be an actual Sim like DCS, which again, also has kill feeds available.
Also, wind does actually exist on all EC maps, you can see it in the ladder view's velocity indicator in RB or even custom games.
Nice vid but gaijin doesnt care of fixing the game and that's a fact lol
They clearly have to stagger the repair cost. I find that stupid.
Think of it like this. You are playing at the top of a br tier, any tier its irrelevant. Your plane is out and out one of the best in its bracket, it kicks ass, makes you plenty sl and its repair cost is (just for example) 55k sl. Then you research a plane up in the next tier, make the jump. You are now playing in the shittest, least capable plane. You are clearly going to die in it every so often through the match. Its repair cost is 60k sl. Yes the repair cost should be generally higher as you go up but there should definitely be a boost if the plane is shit in it's own class.
I just want to ban helis on ground sim
Its so fking cancer the heli spam and even SPAA cant help
Today's BR bracket is shit as hell, 9.7-12.0, how the fuck a Mig-23BN gonna counter a F-14 or a F-16?
Imagine like:
8.0-8.7
9.0-9.7
10.0-10.7
11.0-12.0
This should be like this, for real, and I still can't believe that the Fulcrum is cheaper than the Thunderstreak F on Sim, the F-84F costs 32k
I'd be surprised if we don't see a new bracket added when 12.0 BR's get added to Sim, last time we saw a new BR bracket added was 8.0-10.3 which is the same difference as 9.7-12.0 so here's hoping 🤞
@@nimbal3304 I.... Didn't knew that you were gonna reply me-
Quit playing game entirely 😒, only enjoy sim and can't even pay to play how bad it is.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Nah, I'm done with WT.
I really do not understand why someone would play a SIM game on WT with F16, Mig29, F14 and all the modern stuff when we have much better simulated sandbox for those birds. Is this a skill isue?
They must replace the better server!