WW2 PLANES VS MODERN JET FIGHTER (F-14A) - CHALLENGE! - How well can it do? - WAR THUNDER
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2022
- Hey guys! Welcome back to the Thunder with Muffin channel. A new challenge in War Thunder is waiting for you in this video. WW2 Fighter Planes vs Modern Day Jet Fighter - F-14A Tomcat!!! Stay tuned!
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I read a lot of questions and comments about what was going on:
- Sparrows were difficult to use due to the sheer volume of targets. The only way to pull off a missile frag was to single out opponents.
- Ammo, it was limited so there was absolutely no chance to take down every single fighter.
- Altitude and speed are your only hope but taking any plane in a head-on is a HUGE mistake.
- The sheer number of planes is difficult, even if you singled one out if there's a single prop in the vicinity it's still very dangerous.
- A better pilot. I don't fly very often outside of GRB so this was difficult anyway. Someone like Defyn doing this would be far more entertaining!
It was a lot of fun, thanks Muffin for inviting me! Looking forward to the Abrams vs. Tigers where I have a bit more expertise!!!
Hai Odd
I felt so happy when i killed you in the second match
Also did you see they put the wrong replay for the tu-4 kill cuz they did the replay from when i killed you
I have always had a hard time hitting props with heat seekers in customs. Maybe they don't generate enough heat🧐
@@dnfluffles772 theyre terrible at attacking props unless if it's an all-aspect seeker
odd remember me i dodged 2 off your rockets i was Mata2011
@@dnfluffles772 Those are not heat seakers.
Man we need to hear the chat
@@a_rogue_t26_pershing lol, things got more chaotic when the second challenge began
@@domzplayz9732 yeah. I only stayed around for the first Tiger vs Abrams game because it was almost 2 am for me.
@@a_rogue_t26_pershing lmao it was fucking chaotic when it came to 34 tigers vs 2 abrams
Yea
Yeahh
Interesting. Ussually bombers are easy targets because they are big and slow but here, everyone is big and slow. The advantage the bombers have in turrets does make it more dangerous and is what killed both F-14s here. If we’re were relying solely on fixed guns, the F-14s would have scored more kills.
It's a f*cking game
bruh i got spoiled
Also, they didn't equip any phoenix missiles
@@ireallycant4416 good observation this is indeed a video game
Well, the bomber in question was a TU-4, which is technically cheating as it was not a ww2 plane, (first flight in 1947) and is one of the most well defended bombers in game, with 23mm cannons instead of .50 cals. It sits at 8.0 for good reason, and in my opinion, shouldn’t have been allowed.
If I remember correctly back in the early 60s the uk decided to do something similar to this by pitting a late model spitfire against the electric lightning in a series of mock dogfights since at the time they were engaged in a series of skirmishes called the Indonesian confrontation. The Indonesians had a large number of p51 mustangs wich had similar performance to the spitfire. They discovered that piston engined planes make for terrible targets for infra-red homing missiles, especially when fired from behind. To make matters worse the massive speed difference actually worked in the spitfires favor since it made it much harder to accurately hit it. If the electric lightning slowed down to much to try and compensate the spitfires massive maneuverability advantage meant it would almost always win.
Yeah, when i saw The title of this video i knew it was not going to Be anything More than just a slow grind. Piston engine planes And jet fighters dont really mix well, piston engine fights just evade The attacks And its a stalemate. Lower rank Jets vs piston enignr fighters would Be More interesting, P-51's vs Me-262's For example
My father spent 1943 through 1945 doing an extend vacation in Italy. I never said much but thing ge told me and brothers that one time they watched an artillery observer in a Piper Cub evade getting shot down by a Bf-109. The 109 pilot eventually gave up. Was the story BS? Maybe. Maybe not.
Early IR seekers were nowhere near as good as modern ones - modern Sidewinders are a lot more sensitive.
@@mpetersen6 I don't think it's BS at all - I recall stories out of Korea where the Norks flew some biplanes, doing light ground-attack and strafing, which were really hard for Allied fighters to shoot down due to them being so slow and maneuverable.
@@drtidrow Theres a video on youtube of a f16 shooting down a bronco propeller attack plane somewhere in south america. The f16 didnt have any ordinance on from what I can tell, so hes trying to use guns. You can see the struggle of the f16 to actually get the bronco lined up for a shot and when he finally gets it, the f16 is going so slow its nearly stalling out.
I think having lower tier jets like Mig 15’s or 17’s vs super props would be pretty cool to see. Maybe 9.7-7.7 jets vs 6.0-5.0 props
Your mom would be cool to see LOL
Yak-23 and Yak-17's vs a Tomcat
Hell, that already happens naturally sometimes at the 6-7.0 BR bracket
@@cloaker7237 your mom LOL
Yep you’d have to have a few more props tho
I think with more coordination, this would’ve been a cake walk for the F-14s
Well he said the WW2 fighters were all in a discord screaming in coordination. So if it were random teams and squads there wouldn’t be that mass level of coordination against the F14s
@@dusfug I'm talking about coordination between the F14s. The WW2 fighters were clearly coordinated. Losing an F14 very early made coordinating against 1 even easier.
@@JadedDark Probably not, really
If the prop planes had flown lower and used more maneuverable planes + bombers with lots of upward facing guns there wouldn't be much the f-14s could do.
they could have just camped high altitude
Damn this was a fun event to join, shame I couldn't do much since those F-14s were too fast lol
what plane were you
@@erickschlueter4139 I was one of the P-47's, I was chasing Odd's wingman then eventually Odd himself
Agree it was super fun
Damn you were there
@@itsalmostfun8567 i killed the first f-14 (im the tu-4)
I would have thought that taking it to a lower elevation would give the WWII planes an edge, so that the F-14 couldn't dive at them from above without risking becoming a lawn dart.
It would have. The props made a mistake flying that high.
This was pretty cool, but are we going to talk about the 'WWII" plane the TU-4? Totally not cold war at all.
Its a literal cut and paste b29. You're splitting hairs.
@@cheesesniper473 tbh its a rumor that some Tu-4s had the boeing logo on the rudder pedals copied by mistake
Considering the 'blueprint' was the B29, it's WWII in all but production date.
@@alphamaccao5224 with 23mm auto canons
Its first flight was in 1947 but only entered service in 1949, so yeah I have no idea what the hell is he doing there.
With infinite ammo the tomcats should've just gotten pheonixes, dropped all of them into the swarm from a safe distance and repeated/reloaded. It would've been a massacre
If I were one of the F14s I would've just flew threw the thickest cloud of aircraft lol.
Definitely
Death by a thousand cuts
So in other words you'd die in 30 seconds and it wouldn't be worth making a video out of? Not that it wouldn't be funny lmao 🤣
@@Acepilot235 would be fun tho, and there is a chance you would live bc most of the match we had no clue where the f14s were. just do boom and zoom there would be no way to catch them
@@Nativeat1YT ye ngl I can't watch all of the challenge videos because I admit I am a fair bit competitive and I'd just get pissed off watching people do things they really shouldn't be doing just for the sake of the video. All the modern jets would slaughter WW2 aircraft, just would take time depending on how many there are. Played correctly an F-14 would kill them all without even being seen.
Can you do a Squadron of Me262 Schwalbe vs a Wave of p51s, love this vs Videos keep up with the work :D
U p
Squadron of Me-262 vs Squadron of P-51H, I killed a lot of Me-262 with P-51H, P-51H is actually faster than Me-262
+1 Me 262 isn't much better than a late P-51.
One fighter could have went above,taking down any bomber that he finds, while the other could have went straight in the ww2 planes, so then the one above could have gone for a dive
Right, so that someone could’ve easily killed him in a head on
@@MidnightSlayz a small price to pay for a cool 5 minute action
The WW2 aircraft didn't use an old air tactic that was used in real life for situations like that. They should have flown a defensive circle, also known as a wheel formation. That's when a group of aircraft all fly in a circle, evenly spaced along it. The idea is that when an opponent tries to pick out one plane from the formation, he puts himself in front of one or more of the others that are following it around. It would have prevented the F-14s from finding targets that were alone. That tactic dates back to the first world war, and has been used ever since because it never stopped working.
Oh yeah, I've seen this before; "The Final Countdown". USS Nimitz gets sent back in time to just before Pearl Harbor and a pair of Tomcats play cat and mouse with two A6M Zeroes before utterly curbstomping them.
I actually once managed to take out that top tier swedish fighter with a g55s
The main advantage is turning circle
You can turn much faster in a prop than in a jet
Also a yak 15 with cr 32 bis
i beated mig 21 with p39
@@spaceship-dd8fz yeah, thats what i mean
I can dogfight a Harrier with a CR.32, didn't win much, but once.
if smigol was there it would have been over quick lol him and his swordfish
For real
I don't know if the game factors this in but part of what helps a missile lock onto a plane is the heat generated by frictions as the plane flies through the air. Since the WW2 planes are slower it stands to reason they generate less heat and maybe that was part of why the missiles had a hard time locking on.
Not friction, as it doesn't generate nearly enough heat for a lock. Its just the type of engine that matters, meaning that yes, its harder to lock onto wwII planes bc they don't use jet engines which produce much more heat
“Odd showing the f14’s great
Ability against planes, built by engineers, who didn’t know fully why their planes flew“
Bro keep up the great content I absolutely love it 😀 🙌
5:14 that was me that got exploded. I was one of the only planes that could get up odd's altitude
Sucks, cool to be in the vid tho
That's an impressive variety of WW2 planes.
What I'd love to see is all those modern jet fighters and interceptors (from 4th to 5th generation, multiple versions and operated by multiple countries, except for Germany, Italy and Japan) going at it against a huge formation of 100 WW2 German fighters, interceptors, flying wings and bombers.
a bomber formation with fighter escort would be a fun thing to try to take on. 2 tomcats vs a hoard of b17s/lnadcasters/264s/tu4s with age appropriate fighter escort.
in this battle the bombers scored both kills, as if everyones slow, might aswell be able to shoot in all directions. so the formation would be funny to watch.
formation wins if they bomb the target or kill all enemies and the tomcats win by eliminating the enemy team?
Think they may have won if they missiled the bombers instead of the fighters.
I'd love to see ME262's or a few ww2 german jet fighters go against a squadron of Spitfires or P51's.
Also a recreation of Fury's tiger scene would be awesome
1 Tiger against 4 Shermy 76's is a sure win for the Tiger everytime in War thunder.
Angle hull, jive a bit and just one-shot everyone.
The other way around for a single (or even two) 262's against Spits or Mustangs in WT.
Speed difference is too small for the 262's to effectively attack without being shot down by hails of 50 cal.
First guess I am 100% sure (I would take that challenge any day), second guess only 85%. Someone like DEFYN might pull such a stunt off, but not many others. :)
YES THE TIGER SCENE WOUKD BE SICK
I’d love to see the Battle of Britain, as a Briton myself it would be amazing to see a couple of spitfires/hurricanes going after against Ju 88/87s and bf 109s
@@thomaskositzki9424 Nope. I’ve Hit the commanders hatch on the Tiger and turned the entire turret crew into paste many a time.
@@Gotobar The "jive a bit"-part is exactly to prevent that. ^^ Those shots tend to get VERY tricky if the Tiger isn't stationary.
I had a lot of fun and TY for letting me participate.
This is perfect because I was thinking about taking one of these back to wwii in school today
what a video mate 10/10 would loveee to see more out of ya
6:36 just like the movies
final countdown
That was wicked,y'all. Gj to everyone on their teamwork. o7
Amazing to see, do more of these!
Also, how about ww2 tanks VS Cold War tanks? Oh wait... That already happens at normal BR, carry on!
And in real life too.
This is what I was waiting for
You would not imagine how giddy I got when I heard Oddbawz, doi.
The one issue with using air-to-air missiles is that, depending on missile type, they either rely on tracking a heat source, or obtaining a radar lock.
Heat seekers are programed to ignore heat sources below a certain temperature range in order to avoid them locking onto low heat source objects such as ground vehicles.
Prop planes do not generate a heat signature high enough for a2a missiles to lock on to.
Radar lock missiles are programed to ignore anything travelling below a certain speed, so as a prop plane can fly below this speed, those are also useless.
Great Vid, Need to get up 1am in the morning to have a go very soon.
One of the event I was looking for only to be in school. :(
Looks fun though!
When a lions surround by 40 hyenas he know he needs to retreat
F 14 tomcat: noooo u can’t kill me ur 2 slow!
2 Bombers: haha machine gun go brrr
Amazing work
The easiest way for the WW2 planes to have won was for a Ta154, some series of fockewulf, or bf109K to gain altitude and then fly above in the clouds to coordinate dives on the F14's as in my experience prop planes can catch up with the F14's or any other top tier planes in a dive if the piolet is unaware of you.
wouldnt work.
A pack of sparrows, finding food, meets an apex predator, the eagle
We need more of these videos!
Damn good job, Odd.
As usual... ^^
ur such a great content creater
Unfair for the F 14 tom cat!
In this situation; it's best not to have missile's at all. Piston engine's don't generate near enough exhaust heat for the seeker to lock on to efficiently. Best tactic in this situation would be to strafe up and down. Escape going up because you have a better rate of climb. This person did a pretty good job
This looks like so much fun
Well done on 30 k subs!!!!!!!! I remember when you were only on 8k!!!!!!
Thank you!
Those ww2 planes did slightly better than I expected
I knew the f14s couldn't take them all down in such less amount of time. But still a good amount was shot down and a good video as always
This honestly raises the question of how a modern nation would take on a drone swarm similar to this.... the answer, of course, is the Air-2 Genie, an air-to-air unguided nuclear rocket
Oh hey whats the fuckin' stereotypical ass rocket coming towards the swarm, they think a single missile could stop us?
Famous last words
Love Thunder, love Oddz. Lovely video.
this was actually pretty fun, we should do more even tho all i did was be confused and ram a bv238 for fun
Imagine WW1 german pilots looking at F14 missiles Lol
The cinematics are amazing
You’ll have to let me know what you think of my latest vids:)
This is something not so interesting to watch but interesting to learn what the people were doing
Has someone done a "Final Countdown" battle yet?
USS Nimitz vs the Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl...Great movie.
Oddbawz the absolute legend was in here 😳 I wish I didn’t have school so I could’ve made it
The Final Countdown sequel looks great
Dang, I wish I had the chance to show off my jet hunting skills in my little ol p39.
the moment i saw oddbawz's thing, pure joy
It's the final countdown!
We did something like this but it was 3 spitfire IIbs vs 1 jet without AA missiles and we put up a pretty good fight
4:33 I got singled out by Odd and almost dodged it, he shredded my tail fin, had to bail lmao.
Special appearance by my man Odd. Noice!
It's the final countdown
I would love to see an ME 262 vs like 1.0-3.0 props
getting a warthunder ad while watching a warthunder vid while updating warthunder
War thunder ception
Hey muffin I hope you read this comment. I enjoy your war thunder videos, and I know you moved on from wot blitz. But I'm pretty sure I'm speaking for a lot of people when I say you should continue the movie series where you made a plot on wot somehow. Not sure if you forgot it or not but you left us on a huge cliff hanger for 1 year now. And you did a great job making it, so it also just doesn't settle right with me to just accept that it is dead. Thanks for reading this
Yeah I unfortunately don’t have plans to come back to blitz
@@ThunderWithMuffin it's ok man much love but thanks for taking time to at least read my comment.
Hello that is me from event it was super fun to be in + dodge odd's missile by turning off my engines
(I was Mata2011)
4:36 Rooster: splash 3 splash 3
YES
Muffin why did you not put how I dodged missile by turning off my engine it was legendary 😂
Oh shoot I missed that
@@ThunderWithMuffin xd
Seems like the big bombers with heavy defensive armament were the real MVPs. The Tu-4 and BV 238 were the ones scoring those crucial hits.
Those propeller fighters wont stand even against the warthog
The final countdown, but the tomcat also back in time in europe too
Speed and radar missiles are a hell of a drug
I randomly found this after I did a search for "F16 vs ww2 plane". I was pretty surprised at the outcome, I thought the F14 would win easily.
Welcome to the channel:)
Two worlds that came to mind with the video title: “Final Countdown”
I had a lot of fun in this event
Old is Gold
dammn dude OD was carrying the thing
Ironic that you release a video about planes today hehe
Damn I want this jet but the grind tho..
P-39N is the jet killer.. 37mm cannon is ridiculous. If I need SL I’ll run a 2.7 prop lineup in AB with A4E 9.0 and bank about 70-100k SL per map.
It only takes one. Good video though.
Not only does thunder muffin's voice sound like growling sidewinder but he's flying the tomcat too
Growling sidewinder?
@@ThunderWithMuffin yeah the sound the rockets make in dollar plays videos
"... AND HE HITS ANOTHER PLANE! IT'S A DIRECT HIT! ONE MORE KILL FOR BAWZ!"
dude what about chilling? It's not that surprising a 4th gen jet fighter can shoot down an 80 years old prop plane.
Yeah in my newer vids I talk less
Do not get rid of the machine guns! real dog fighting will come back!
Nice vid, you got a sub from me friend!
The final countdown movie almost be like
A what if scenario when a modern jet was transported in WW2 world. XD
When i saw him play the Tomcat i wanted to say 'its not the plane, its the pilot'
Lesson of the Video: Don't have big wings.
This kinda feels like a battle between humans with 40s tech vs. Aliens
It would be interesting to see modern jet against multiple levels of bomber formations
One more,
Mixed numbers of F8F-1B, Yak3 and Corsair against a modern jet. No; Zero, bombers, Do335, or twin engines...
You guys should do a hypothetical WW2 scenario with a few German jets vs a squadron of aircraft from each Allied nation sort of like the Maus scenarios
When engaging on the bv 238, i would have dived down and shot down the bv 238 from below to prevent getting shot, if i was odd 8:41
We need A-10’s vs ww2 planes video
Tbh the ww2 planes would dominate the A-10, I mean I hunted down a good few with just a Bf109 with some extra cannons strapped on, though given I had the jump on them whenever I did go for them
@@domzplayz9732 tbh just an equal amount fight. Just for destruction purposes. But I mean 10-15 A-10’s vs 40+ would be interesting.
@@albertoortegon6388 I'd think that would be a massacre, 1 A-10 pinned against one or two prop planes? Easy, but 15? Nah those 30-40 prop planes finna get brrrted to heaven
@@domzplayz9732 exactly my friend. We love to see the massacre. Then we can lower it to 2
Would’ve hired this guy to read my bedtime stories…
😂