Yeah the main point of his counter is to get Arsene, but don't forget that it is frame three and negates all knockback, so it makes a great combo breaker.
@@jackbordar2727 Yet you still win because you are carried by Joker. No, carried by Arsene. As Ike players are carried by nair. I literally had to co-main Pikachu alongside Peach just because the Peach-Joker MU is so obnoxious.
you didnt even mention his down-b while he has arsene, its probably the best counter in the game for multiple reasons, Its incredibly fast ( i think its frame 3 but im not sure), it has invincibility on startup, it reflects as well as countering, it has a ton of knockback, and it always launches the opponent towards the nearest horizontal blast zone regardless of which way they hit you from
I found that this combos works well at 0. Its Down throw, forward air, dash grab/grab,up throw,up air,fastfall,grounded up b,up air or forward air,side b, forward smash.This is with non arsene joker.
nice kill move too : fast fall Fair to short up fastfall Upair to downB just look MkLeo doing this (i don't remember if this is really Upair...) i think it's work around 70 to 130% and true at 120%
Is it weird or bad that I have gotten used to my smash moves being on my right joystick. I assigned my smash moves to my right joystick. Should I switch it back or is it fine? Also, how to I do the tilts because they are not on my joystick?
One of my favorite finishes is to spike with arsene on stage so that the opponent hits the stage and bounces back up then I hit them with up air and it feels amazing!
do you have any tips for fighting pichu? Most of Joker's aerials can't hit him and it seems he hasn't any reliable OoS options (especially on cross up, since bair just passes above pichu's head).
grab, nair, down tilt, up air, up-b, fair. normal joker of course. also, sometimes when i have arsene, i sometimes try to do these combos, and then accidentally do an up-b.
I don't play combo Joker. I play hotcold Joker. I go in do some damage and when I feel the opponent is starting to push back I go and back off into SideB might do it a few times and go hot again. Oh and I almost always kill with UpSmash since it's so good.
I find it easier to do with the c stick. Basically i just short hop and then hit down on the control stick while at the same time hitting forward on the c stick
@@rmto74 Yeah, be careful when you dodge, because the smash attacks are very quick you get punished, little Mac's up tilt and up smash are very good, and don't forget he has a counter, it's actually not a bad matchup for Mac as far as Mac match ups go
Void is like that dad that's really excited you're into his hobby.
"Come here son, we're gonna have the joker talk."
Yeah the main point of his counter is to get Arsene, but don't forget that it is frame three and negates all knockback, so it makes a great combo breaker.
Yeah MKLeo actually traded offstage against a nair from Samsora's palutena during a grand final
Vvv
Hot damn, I didn't know VoiD was so good at this kind of thing, really engaging and informative.
You mean HAY CARAMBA
I think one point the Video should of explained is that joker has very strong plat form extension but other then that very good guide
That video was really informative and beginner friendly. He explained everything he talked about Incase the viewer doesn’t know what it all means
Would like a more in-depth guide to his combo game in the future
If you look on his personal channel, he has an 11 min video specifically dedicated to how to combo with Joker.
wtf why did I read the title as "How to beat Joker with everyone"
Cause that’s the one we need more right now lololol
@@ChillavaKirby as a Joker main I disagree
@@jackbordar2727 As a Peach main, I condemn you to one thousand years of endless suffering from the arthritis that Peach players suffer.
@@bluyu do not worry, I suck
@@jackbordar2727 Yet you still win because you are carried by Joker. No, carried by Arsene. As Ike players are carried by nair. I literally had to co-main Pikachu alongside Peach just because the Peach-Joker MU is so obnoxious.
you didnt even mention his down-b while he has arsene, its probably the best counter in the game for multiple reasons, Its incredibly fast ( i think its frame 3 but im not sure), it has invincibility on startup, it reflects as well as countering, it has a ton of knockback, and it always launches the opponent towards the nearest horizontal blast zone regardless of which way they hit you from
favourite combo:
down tilt > up tilt > up air > grappling hook > forward air
Shadow Falem I do something similar it’s grab to up throw to up air to grapple to fair
@@n4b1d imma have to try that
6:33 Mr.Danish butter cookie
Are you sure about that
I love the slide as an alternative to grab starters. Throws people up just as well and its way more fun.
Favorite combo is:
first hit fair, drag down upair, to up smash or down smash at kill percent
Gulag
Love u Void, im gonna practice really serious with joker
Man what an awesome guide
My favorite combo is Grab, d-throw, fair, grab and d-throw again, drag down u-air, grab and d-throw again, and then bair
I think someone else is controlling Voids hands and that guy is trying his hardest to match the movement with what Void is saying. xD
7:44
Yup, VoiD doesn't have a controller in his hand.
Ryan Riggio it’s called putting the controller down
@@solshady1375 you're right. I realized that after writing my comment, and I was too lazy to edit/delete it.
@@Fenyll_Fur and you know what that is A OK my friend
When you show combos could you put a corner box with video of your controller.
My favourite combo with Joker is Down-B until you get Arsene -> Fsmash
Whats poppin' early squad!
I found that this combos works well at 0. Its Down throw, forward air, dash grab/grab,up throw,up air,fastfall,grounded up b,up air or forward air,side b, forward smash.This is with non arsene joker.
This is an okay combo. It's easy to avoid and DI and fall out of it
My favourite combo is up throw into up Air into up B into forward air
I was always told to not try things that professionals do at home. Does that apply here?
No, it does not. He is a professional, but this was MADE for you to try at home. I hope this helps!
But I might get hurt.
@@bleachigo990 You may get hurt, but eh.....
William Gutierrez but I don’t want to get hurt. Getting hurt hurts.
@@bleachigo990 Well, getting hurt may hurt, but not getting hurt hurts. Either way, it hurts, so eh...
I’m soooo watching this till I perfect it
A good combo is is for Dodge and side tilt it will about all ways crit
Great video!! Super well made
nice kill move too : fast fall Fair to short up fastfall Upair to downB
just look MkLeo doing this (i don't remember if this is really Upair...)
i think it's work around 70 to 130% and true at 120%
into down b? Dude. You really gotta pose on the guy.
@@magicggst
I guess it covers get up attack
Is it weird or bad that I have gotten used to my smash moves being on my right joystick. I assigned my smash moves to my right joystick. Should I switch it back or is it fine? Also, how to I do the tilts because they are not on my joystick?
for tilts i would recommend switching your smash attacks to tilts.
How do you play neutral with joker I’m bad at playing neutral with him because I don’t know what to do besides neutral air
Void im a beginner. Is maining joker preventing me from improving in smash? I still suck been playing for 3 weeks
Riku nothing is preventing you from improving, just get that experience in and practice the fundamentals of the game. You won’t get good right away
Once, I was playing against a friend, and after I hit side B, I no longer had to keep playing... I’ve already won
Need more of that dry void humor
I keep doing up A instead of tilt A 😭 why is it so hard to try to do the tilt A?
anyone know the autocancel frames of joker's bair?
Music?
6:31
MkLeo: check me out, check me out
You believe I’m using all of this since I’m a joker main
honestly my favourite combo is 100% downtilt into uptilt upair into UpB upair/bair
Mo tion usually they get out before the up b but it’s a solid combo
i like how i main cloud but im trying to secondary joker
One of my favorite finishes is to spike with arsene on stage so that the opponent hits the stage and bounces back up then I hit them with up air and it feels amazing!
Not even mentioning gundashes is a crime.
Thought that this was a persona guide, no yoshitsune so I'ma just remove myself
lol
Garbage Reviews lol
do you have any tips for fighting pichu? Most of Joker's aerials can't hit him and it seems he hasn't any reliable OoS options (especially on cross up, since bair just passes above pichu's head).
Did you test it with 3.1.0?
As far as I'm aware Pichu is one of his worst matchups. Even after 3.1.0.
If you short hop fast fall bair, you can hit pichu. Don't use the games Jump + A macro.
And i still run into those bad joker players who love spamming the b button.
*GUN*
thats me but with actual directions
*E I H A*
God bless you VoiD
Show them what's up tilt
How do you deal with a character baiting you and then smashing
Dont take bait. Dunno what else to say, theres no win button in fighting games
Lemon Leader Yup, just what the other guy said; only way to avoid getting baited and smash attacked is not falling for the bait.
To extrapolate, it you know they're gonna wait and smash attack, step back and throw a projectile
Just throw things at them. You have a projectile and a pretty good one at that.
grab, nair, down tilt, up air, up-b, fair. normal joker of course. also, sometimes when i have arsene, i sometimes try to do these combos, and then accidentally do an up-b.
what throw though??
@@weirdalfan124 Up or down,im sure both work
Time to learn
Yo
What's up tilt?😎
Get out
Anti taxx that name wants to make me commit tax fraud
Please make Korean subtitles, too......
"...or, what's up-tilt..."
😎
I don't play combo Joker. I play hotcold Joker. I go in do some damage and when I feel the opponent is starting to push back I go and back off into SideB might do it a few times and go hot again. Oh and I almost always kill with UpSmash since it's so good.
Every character should be played with combos, they are optimal.
Isn't that technically a hit and run playstyle?
@@Matthew-mo7wh well yes, but actually no
@@Matthew-mo7wh ya
My favourite combo with joker is getting arsene
By the way incredible video!
Fair 1 side B. Stupid damage rack up if you land it
I really love Joker here's to hope he won't get nerfed too hard in future patches.
He's been out for multiple months my guy he would have gotten nerfed last patch, he's staying high tier
Well he's nerfed now but still good 👍
How do you do the f.air one? Im having a hard time pulling it off
delay fair on a short hop (do it slightly after the peak of your jump and fast fall)
I find it easier to do with the c stick. Basically i just short hop and then hit down on the control stick while at the same time hitting forward on the c stick
Neat
Poison? U never played persona?
poison is alot easier to understand than "curse" when referring to a damage over time move
Watch MkLeo's competitive tournaments if u wanna learn more. It really helps. He got crazy combos
I wanted this video to be "How to beat everyone's Joker" Lol
My favorite Joker combo is when they walk directly into your f-smash
My favorite combo with Joker is SDing three times... As the enemy.
One more tip, don't underestimate Mac, I stomp most joker's because they keep trying to combo grab, against Mac try to mix things up, or you die.
so basically treat him like a mid tier?
@@rmto74 Yeah, be careful when you dodge, because the smash attacks are very quick you get punished, little Mac's up tilt and up smash are very good, and don't forget he has a counter, it's actually not a bad matchup for Mac as far as Mac match ups go
@@rmto74 He IS a mid-tier, according to VoiD
joker is top tier even if you dont use half his moves . sakurai....
tons of damage
Just be MkLeo
MEOW
nobody talks about down tilt to up b
Because it isn't true and there are more damaging combos, but it does look pretty flashy
Faster. More Succinct. End with a real match combo and break down showing what we learned.
Your already winning once u pick joker lol
after patch kazooi he will get neft
He is not that good calm down. I beat him many times on veteran plays. But of course lost some.
Lol okay
That is because those "veterans" clearly aren't veterans.
That's just skill level not tiers