Actually, gun isn't a projectile, it actually is the longest range disjoint hitbox in the game which means you can force approaches since you can't reflect it
It’s kinda clever because guns are considered physical weapons in persona, so to treat them as disjoints instead of projectiles in smash kind of indirectly references that mechanic
@Yun-Chen Wang counter should work if it's close enough as it will be considered a physical counter not a projectile counter. For other characters they just have to be close enough for the counter as well, And yes counter will work on eiha
As a joker main, my skills were above average when it came to online play. But now, thanks to this video, I can combo and counter my opponents very easily. I think if I keep practicing I may become the next MKLeo 🎉
After this boi(joker) came up I didn't want him in my life. Then a few months later I learned that joker is one of the best. So bought him and I'm crushing it in online tourney and matches! Joker your my main now!
@@agentcheriee woooooooo! I need more persona characters! Like Kasumi, Ryuji, Ann etc. Nintendo made it hardcore on the first dlc pack! All the others suck!!!
"ayeha" "E-AH-GON" "tetracon" "MAKARNKAR" Dude, i swear to god the smash community has indeed created its own language. How can i learn how to play a character when i cant even understand the terms?! its like the terms used to solve a rubics cube!!
I love the creative idea of using grappling hook on opponents! Finally I can become the best in my friends and win em all. But me sad my friends hate joker and they don't know he existed. They'll never see joker coming their way!
Tbh most valuable info I took away from this was how to use the buffer system properly. I found it would work sometimes when I wanted it to but not all times. Really helped
I watched a guide specifically about "Joker's dragdown combos" and it did not help me get the D-Throw U-Air Dragdown. I watch a guide about how to generally play Joker by ProGuides, and they explain it in more detail with more tips than the guide specifically about dragdown... Props to you guys, your videos are top-notch!
this is a private comment i didnt create it for views i pefer it not 1. down through unlocks manny advantages and streks of A and right stick straight foward can also be used for upwards attack with right stick
@@CroqueNWO HOOOO BOY Ganon nair, Wolf Back Air, Wolf Down Smash, Pika Nair, Palu Bair, Lucina Up B out of shield, i think those are all the moves i can consider as good as joker's bair this game is busted
'smash players instantly recognised joker and a strong player' well that's not true at all. He was rated bottom tier until MK cleaned everyone up with him
how to play joker in smash ultimate: -get hit -get arsene (you can use the counter to get him faster but you'll get arsene before you're at kill% anyway lol) -press buttons -hopefully win
Joker vs cloud PS vs PS character! I tried too but they both have similarities like the limit for cloud similar for joker' arsene. But joker smash is the best! Great choice! Is it hold up or all out attack. BTW sorry still figuring out persona, cause I'm new to series.
Same but with luigi and daisy. Man joker might be my favourite boi. And his game seems awesome me buying. Joker's game is just bueaty, I'm going crazy with this high school second year boy. The plot is cool.
this guide made me drop joker. i wanted to play him but hes to complicated. im 32 now and my fingers cant keep up with that movement he requires. currently im playing pyra and hero and pyra only, they are slow and effective. combos here and there and quick movement there, my fingers just can not deal with that anymore and my reflexes also can not. so sadly, goodbye joker
Hmm how do I play little Mac? (Forward smash) (Forward smash) (Forward smash) Olimar? (Just smash attacks) Palutena? (NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR) Huh this game is pretty easy! (Sees crazy Daisy combo) Wtfudge this game is all over the place god dang
I really feel like he should only build up to Arsen if he uses his rebel guard. Building the gauge from taking damage is dumb. His tools in neutral are strong enough that he doesn't require a comeback mechanic cause now you have a raging Arsen? Explain the logic there.
Also if you can only get arsene by using rebels guard then that's only gonna create a problem as all jokers need to rely on it to get arsene, where's the logic in that?
@@夢想家39 That would be my point though. You don't think he has enough mobility and tools that using the guard at the right time,( and tanking the damage then to note your first point) is a fair way to unleash Arsen? He might not have alot of killing power without him but that's fine you learn how to use the guard effectively and are rewarded with Arsen. Being rewarded for getting beat up doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe its bc I don't know anything about Persona but as a fighting game character it seems to be dumb that you can be rewarded for losing in addition having the option of accelerating it with the guard
Iggy Jiggy Persona is about the Personas in the same way as Pokemon is about the Pokemon. The difference is in Persona the “trainer” also fights along the Persona. If the only way to activate Arsene was through rebel guarding, you’d almost never see him because it’s very hard to guard without getting punished. And that would just be bad because it’d be like having a Pokémon character where most of the fight is just the trainer and no Pokémon. Fans of the series aren’t there to look at the trainer, they’re there to look at pikachu or charizard or whatever. Likewise fans of persona are there to see Arsene not just Joker.
Actually, gun isn't a projectile, it actually is the longest range disjoint hitbox in the game which means you can force approaches since you can't reflect it
It’s kinda clever because guns are considered physical weapons in persona, so to treat them as disjoints instead of projectiles in smash kind of indirectly references that mechanic
Bayo aerial/tilt guns behave similarly
@Yun-Chen Wang counter should work if it's close enough as it will be considered a physical counter not a projectile counter.
For other characters they just have to be close enough for the counter as well,
And yes counter will work on eiha
Lmao poor linky boi can’t block it with his shield now
True
I swear yesterday I was thinking of dropping wolf for joker. This channels timing is scary
😓Im concerned
Rip Etika 🙏🏾
i droped Wolf for Joker lol
I did. It's def worth it. Main Joker and Sonic now
laserbeamlightning im ass with sonic, the roll move always makes me fall off the map.
"And for his neutral special, Joker wields a GUN."
8:42 correction: it’s not a projectile, it’s classified as a melee attack
Joker Online :
*Dash attack*
*Dash attack*
*Dash attack*
*Repeat*
and spotdodge downsmash spam when you get to higher gsp
I am a Joker main and I can firsthand say it's true lol
you forgot side b
69th like
As a joker main, my skills were above average when it came to online play. But now, thanks to this video, I can combo and counter my opponents very easily. I think if I keep practicing I may become the next MKLeo 🎉
the way you say "eiha, aigon, and persona" triggers me immensely
*persuhnuh*
*Eigaon
You used to have 69 likes. But I ruined it
Persawna
Arson
6:04 actually, unless you put good abilities to Arsene in P5, he's the worst Persona in the game lol.
Carlos Luis that’s a big oof
Yeah which is why my Joker and Arsene only run was pure hell
Just for the fact alone that you can completely decide what stats Arsene will receive, he's a lot better than most.
Zero he’s still the worst
Don't think that persona will be great. It's like cloud's limit but even more limited. As if like saying limit for limit?
Thank you so much. You dont how long i have been waiting for a good and understandable joker guide like this. Fantastic job Proguide!
I want to play joker but after being a little mac main for a while air combos make my brain hurt
Not the lil mac🙊
Ey ya
Arson
Persauna
Uh gay on
E ya gon
Uh gay on has me DEAD
Lmao
Anonymous S that’s all this dude goddamn says
*LAUGHS in MKLeo*
Looking Joker, Joker
Joker looking, Joker
@@ekene4886 Cool cool, cool
Weird that Joker had his grappling hook first in Smash
I just bought Joker DLC yesterday and holy tunafish he is GOOD. He literally does everything you want him too!
I’m so glad the character from my Second Favorite game (First being Smash because Joker is now in the game) is one of my best characters.
After this boi(joker) came up I didn't want him in my life. Then a few months later I learned that joker is one of the best. So bought him and I'm crushing it in online tourney and matches! Joker your my main now!
Priya Chandrasekaran Awesome! We love to have another member of the Joker Gang!
@@agentcheriee woooooooo! I need more persona characters! Like Kasumi, Ryuji, Ann etc. Nintendo made it hardcore on the first dlc pack! All the others suck!!!
@@agentcheriee call it the phantom theives! BTW don't tell anyone I'm using my moms account. Now silence and don't tell.
How is it you mispronounced everything when joker said it all wtf
"ayeha" "E-AH-GON" "tetracon" "MAKARNKAR"
Dude, i swear to god the smash community has indeed created its own language. How can i learn how to play a character when i cant even understand the terms?! its like the terms used to solve a rubics cube!!
@@TokaDot he obviously didnt, so calm your tiddies bruh😪
When you realize that gun isn’t a projectile
Just when I considered that I needed a greater variety of combos in my Joker's playstyle, this video pops up.
Loved the video would love a part 2 covering more neutral and talking about tilts
I love the creative idea of using grappling hook on opponents! Finally I can become the best in my friends and win em all. But me sad my friends hate joker and they don't know he existed. They'll never see joker coming their way!
Tbh most valuable info I took away from this was how to use the buffer system properly. I found it would work sometimes when I wanted it to but not all times. Really helped
“Arson”
“Persohna”
I think it’d be hella cool if sakurai made it to where each alt had a different persona instead of just arsene
You can also do: grab, down-throw, jump, gun, fast fall, jump (maybe short hop I forgot.), then gun again. All of this is done with Arsene.
5:55
Man really said "Per-sauna"
Please please please do a Richter/Simon guide
Out of down throw, run-up up tilt is a great option for a mix-up
I want to be dead people would expect that so they’ll punish accordingly. Up tilt can convert into a better combo while also being a great mixup
This is just The Gamer but actually Qualitative
Edit: OK maybe not the website
Joker: "EE-ha!" "AY-gahn!" "ar-SEN!"
Narrator: Let's call this "AY-ha", "ah-GAY-ahn", and arson
Joker: Am I a Joke(r) to you?
Short hop and fast falling is the bane of me trying to get good 😂
Same it's so hard with joycons
I gotta show y'all that down throw side b at 0 is the wave.
I watched a guide specifically about "Joker's dragdown combos" and it did not help me get the D-Throw U-Air Dragdown.
I watch a guide about how to generally play Joker by ProGuides, and they explain it in more detail with more tips than the guide specifically about dragdown...
Props to you guys, your videos are top-notch!
cool guide and all, but how tf did u get megido on black frost at 6:03??
Bro can you pls tell what this track is in the background? Its such a nice tune
I know the song! I think it's beneath the mask? Sorry still learning new songs. But listen to last surprise the song is great also from persona.
I already played Joker good, but with this turorial im playing a bit better! Thanks!
Please tell me how do you quickly cancell joker down gun into other move.
make sure you aren't holding down b as you do down gun
Use gun(on ground)
Jump over opponent(s)
Thus shooting opponent(s) from above. And you have yourself a sweet trick to make your friends rage quit.
ike guide maybe? idk
this channel got me into playing snake again btw
Parsana!!! AYHAH!!!!
“EeEEaAhHGoN”
Man, I have no idea what you said. I wanna learn but I am new to smash and a down up fair, idk what that is.
this is a private comment i didnt create it for views i pefer it not
1. down through unlocks manny advantages and streks of A and right stick straight foward can also be used for upwards attack with right stick
Im surprised proguides hasn't removed the ZeRo bit in their advertisement after the whole thing with him and some other Smash players
I can't link the dash attack once I use the down grab
I literally bought joker yesterday wth
you can attack cancel Bair out of downthrow at 0 on most characters into dash attack
Yoooooo. Just tried this and its the lamb sauce
Please make this type of video for Banjo Kazooie
Sence joker was released in super smash,he was my main ever sence and I almost play him all the time.
Me 100% joker!
Yeah, if Joker is broken, why can't Bowser Jr fly, Mario have his powerups, etc? I will be expecting #SuperSmashBrothers3DWorld.
Do a guide on ken please
Jab jab Shoryuken, there you go, go win lol
you mean, let joker learn you
Yooo! It's Blucas!
Dude, you are hands down the most insane Lucas player I've ever seen!
It would be an honor to have a match with you 😅
nice pun bro
The timing ✨👌🏾
Arsene bair is the best move in the game imo
Palu's Nair, Bowsers Neutral B, Pika's Bair, Snake Grenade, Snake Side B aaand i can go on
@@spec2171 go on then hehe
@@CroqueNWO HOOOO BOY
Ganon nair, Wolf Back Air, Wolf Down Smash, Pika Nair, Palu Bair, Lucina Up B out of shield, i think those are all the moves i can consider as good as joker's bair
this game is busted
OH YEAH WAFT TOO
@@spec2171 agreed
eGayOn
YeEhAa
PeRson Ah
When is a go time to go for fair 1 tho.
'smash players instantly recognised joker and a strong player' well that's not true at all. He was rated bottom tier until MK cleaned everyone up with him
I absolutely know ✨ nothing ✨ about smash, but I am a simp for joker LMFAO
Per-sauna. Arson. Gae-on.
song name?
Music?
eigaon is said by joker, how do you not know how to pronounce it?
PJiggles Sent me here(?
How can you mispronounce Persona? That’s an actual word unlike Eiha and Eigon.
Anyone here after his nerf ?
Song?
How to play megahombre pls
Megahombre lol
good
Link next or wat
I am Jr. Main
So why do I even watch this Video?
To know your enemy
To top yer main?
Wait wait wait... this isn't league of legends!... subbed
Do you prefer Joker (Persona 5) or Joker (Marvel)
Bruh you mean joker from DC lmao not marvel
@@kailestis oh
Joker from persona 5!( the best joker) but why did nintendo not add other persona characters like Kasumi, Ryuji, Ann etc? Explain yourself nintendo?
Persauna
Fireball?
Zentrocity it’s not a fireball lol, that triggered me so much
3:22
Eeyagon
is he in ultimate?
3:22 think youre funny do ya?
how to play joker in smash ultimate:
-get hit
-get arsene (you can use the counter to get him faster but you'll get arsene before you're at kill% anyway lol)
-press buttons
-hopefully win
Not to be Hermione, but it’s persOHna not persAHna
You gotta play persona and learn some of the words bruh
Here's one of my combos: Grab, Up throw, grapple, F or up Smash
up throw into grapple only works at high percents, since characters have a short time of invincibility frames after throws
It’s are-senn not arson
Joker is broken? Why can’t I beat CLOUD
Or maybe I’m just bad
Joker vs cloud
PS vs PS
character! I tried too but they both have similarities like the limit for cloud similar for joker' arsene. But joker smash is the best! Great choice! Is it hold up or all out attack. BTW sorry still figuring out persona, cause I'm new to series.
I can’t wanna abuse joker :(
Im a joker main he strong i I dropped sonic for joker
Same but with luigi and daisy. Man joker might be my favourite boi. And his game seems awesome me buying. Joker's game is just bueaty, I'm going crazy with this high school second year boy. The plot is cool.
Why am i sooooo late
Awesome
I thought u guys only did valorant
Who else doesn’t understand a single thing
E
Back air low air side air what the actual hell are the buttons for this dude and A ahhh wth? Speak english
This guy is absolutely terrible at pronunciation. It is sad considering how skillful he is.
RIP joker
Mkleo doesn’t use him anymore
this guide made me drop joker.
i wanted to play him but hes to complicated.
im 32 now and my fingers cant keep up with that movement he requires.
currently im playing pyra and hero and pyra only, they are slow and effective.
combos here and there and quick movement there, my fingers just can not deal with that anymore and my reflexes also can not.
so sadly, goodbye joker
All that potential with Mythra left unused *sigh*
Hmm how do I play little Mac?
(Forward smash)
(Forward smash)
(Forward smash)
Olimar?
(Just smash attacks)
Palutena?
(NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR)
Huh this game is pretty easy!
(Sees crazy Daisy combo)
Wtfudge this game is all over the place god dang
Omg... wish this was in NORMAL FREAKING ENGLISH LIKE WHAT IS HE SAYING? I’m new 🥺
Smash ultimate is now officially a P2W game
I really feel like he should only build up to Arsen if he uses his rebel guard. Building the gauge from taking damage is dumb. His tools in neutral are strong enough that he doesn't require a comeback mechanic cause now you have a raging Arsen? Explain the logic there.
It's called rebellion's gauge, you rebel against what hurts you, how does that not make sense
Also if you can only get arsene by using rebels guard then that's only gonna create a problem as all jokers need to rely on it to get arsene, where's the logic in that?
Get better in the matchup and you will see that Joker building gauge from taking damage makes sense. Base Joker is not a big threat.
@@夢想家39 That would be my point though. You don't think he has enough mobility and tools that using the guard at the right time,( and tanking the damage then to note your first point) is a fair way to unleash Arsen? He might not have alot of killing power without him but that's fine you learn how to use the guard effectively and are rewarded with Arsen. Being rewarded for getting beat up doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe its bc I don't know anything about Persona but as a fighting game character it seems to be dumb that you can be rewarded for losing in addition having the option of accelerating it with the guard
Iggy Jiggy Persona is about the Personas in the same way as Pokemon is about the Pokemon. The difference is in Persona the “trainer” also fights along the Persona. If the only way to activate Arsene was through rebel guarding, you’d almost never see him because it’s very hard to guard without getting punished. And that would just be bad because it’d be like having a Pokémon character where most of the fight is just the trainer and no Pokémon. Fans of the series aren’t there to look at the trainer, they’re there to look at pikachu or charizard or whatever. Likewise fans of persona are there to see Arsene not just Joker.