Do these not come with power supply? We are unboxing ours now wanting to use it but theres no power lead.... website suggests may have to spend another $70 to buy a power lead??? On what planet does this make any sense??
My better half, (she's the brewmaster, and I lift the heavy stuff), and I just bought one, and we are very happy with it. We do keg, but it's not as portable as cans or bottles. As we are very social, and like to bring with us tasty brew for us and our friends, it's a glorious change from having to bring back empty bottles
Interesting piece of equipment for sure. I do see the benefits of canning. Just not sure if I'd want to do it or not. David have you tried natural carbonation in a can? That would be a great test! Cheers! 👍🍻
I can see no reason krausen carbonation or gyle carbonating won't work. I have never brewed a batch where I used sugar to prime. I always use the calculator and pitch more fermenting beer at high krausen to the bottling vessel. I have yet to have one explode. This will happen, I have just had great luck with this process.
Great review David. Looking forward to future videos on canning. I share most of my brews and canning is the answer for me plus the "cool" factor! Cheers.
David, given the comments below could you do a rundown of the full process? It seems you would need to be kegging already (Which would almost negate the benefit of cans to save fridge space, as you’d likely be chilling a keg to carb it) and then using a beer gun to fill, then cannular to seal. as the cans come unsealed, I assume there is a sanitization step pre-filling?
As well as for taste I brew for economy. My really expensive brew cost between 75p - £1.00/500ml and I do not make this often. To have a reasonable payback for the machine you mention and the consumables I would have to be an alcoholic or have lots of friendly hangers-on. I do not Keg, cannot afford the Kegs and the gas is difficult to get (I do not have a car). I rarely bottle but I can and will. I mostly Cask. This is with kit that has been purchased over many years at a time when the market was frankly cheaper. I have five casks. Three were bought a long time ago for £20 or less and another two bought more recently (they are better btw) for about £50 each. Some other post below says that the hobby is expensive enough. Where ever there is a popular hobby prices rise. I met someone once whoes Fishing Rods cost more than my car (at the time) when I had a split cane thingy year ago for pocket money. Nope. Get the machine down to £50 or less and the consumables down to 25p or less/500 ml and I may dip my toe.
Love the concept and I own several Kegland products - they are solidly engineered and well made. The cost to can seems high compared to bottling, but the shelf life should be superior. Echo the sentiment below about purging, but that can be done quickly and cheaply using CO2 and a beer gun. Ditto on natural carbonation - would it work with Cannular canning? Might make an interesting video and discussion. Seems this product assumes you keg but want to spin a few cans for long term storage or sharing with friends. It's the cost of the cans that is off-putting.
Would love to see a video on canning from a keg and carbonation levels in the cans afterwards. I and many others seem to struggle with this. Great video!!!
Used it for the 1st time last night.. there is defiantly a knack to getting it to seam correctly, we wasted 8 or so 500ml cans before we got one to seal correctly. Also be aware it can be quite messy and you need TWO gas lines, one to the beer gun and one to the keg youre drawing from.
I love the concept I think its awesome to be able to hand a mate a tinnie( aussie for can) of your own special homebrew but I reckon it's all a bit gimmicky to be honest and I mean If you want to go down this road surely bottling is the better option.... reusable, cheap if your mates drink stubbies( Aussie for beer bottles), and relatively easy to clean. Let's face it kegging is the go but it's also expensive up front so reckon if its between canning and bottling im going bottling... just my opion im a kegger anyway. Great vid as always cheers mate.
Looks interesting but I doubt if it's for me. I brew the bog standard 40 pints at a go, I re use my bottles so the thought of no return on my outlay for cans doesn't stack up so to speak
Interesting video, looking forward to seeing the end to end process including cleaning of the cans. Although I can see the portability benefit but it feels like too much like the misery of bottling again with a higher sunk cost. I have big box of 5L re-usable mini-kegs that ive only used a few times before I got sick of filling them. Will you be addressing labeling as well?
Interesting video but the problem remains that the disposable receptacle still costs 3 or so times the cost of the beer in it (for a home brewer). Surely there has to be a cheaper option - 50p a can is ridiculous! You can buy full cans from a supermarket for less than this, and that includes 35p tax!
Thanks for sharing. Not for me, I will stuck with me 33cl glass bottles. Bottling is a pain in the ass, but is the cheapest way. I hope in the future to be able to keg, but my wife's patience with my all homebrew stuff is very limited.
Indeed but as David quite rightly points out, the Canular system uses a different sealing system to commercial canners,so you’d have to change the wheels for ones which mould the can seal differently - and that makes it a bit of a non starter.
Just got the new semi auto one. I’m constantly shipping beers to friends, it’s perfect for this. Zero point in canning if you’re drinking it yourself though
Hi, I have been using the Cannular for a few batches now and it worked great. However it now seems to be out of alignment as the lids are not sealing. Have you had any issues with this? Thank you,
Nice machine and video. BTW, I usually fill my bottles with a counterpressure filler. I prefer this to beer gun. Is there a solution Or add to fill the cans with zero O2 and pressurised? TY
@@DavidHeathHomebrew and I guess you purge your can with CO2 before? I do that with my bottles and always have this issue: when the beer comes in contact with the CO2, it foams a lot more that if the bottle has no CO2... i am now trying to not purge my bottle and add i little bit of metabisulfit to see if i can avoid oxydation.
I have had my Cannular for a year now and it’s, something. It’s extremely tempermental. Some days it works perfect. Others, every single can leaks. I’ve adjusted it to spec and then it’ll work one day and I’ll waste a ton of cans the next time. I’m really at wits end. It’s aggravating, to say the least.
Great video as always, but I still cannot see a good reason for a home brewer to use cans. In general, the main motivation to start brewing is to save money (I know that the reality is different), but adding the cost of $25 to each brew just to make it last longer is a bit silly. For that cost I can buy a new Grainfather once a year. Why not just brew more manageable quantities if this is an issue. Additionally the amount of waste created is staggering, and to add to that, can seamers notoriously tear the can apart every few. In addition kegs already exist for those that are not keen on bottling. I'm sorry, but I just don't see a good reason to use cans. I'm looking forward to see the next installment of this series, as watching machines at work pleases the engineer in me.
Yes, I guess its just something people or drawn to or not. I didnt start brewing to save money personally. I started to brew what I want to drink :) I take your point about waste but at least it can be recycled as a material. Thanks for your take on things, much appreciated :)
I find that the cans leak, I am too worried about adjusting it. I have tried to contact Kegland several times .. no answer. I am a little frustrated as I have wasted liters of beer since every try is 500mls .. I find they leak or the can buckles in on number 2 motion.
You will need to adjust it though, in order to remedy this. You must be very close thiugh. In terms of support you need to do this with where you bought it.
@@kassenbryggeri6933 that's odd. It's actually not such a hard thing to fix usually. Just needs some additional adjustment. Could be there was a fault with it I guess.
Why self life of canned beer is greater than shelf life bottled beer? Is there a scientific explanation? I assume that a can lid and the seam, is impenetrable compared with a metal bottle cap. But does this explain the difference?
Cans do not let any light in. Take a look at how light affects the taste of food items. For beer, there's a specific off flavour described as "light struck".
@@carbonbased7291 I don't think light is a big player in this case. I guess no one keeps their beer on a roof top, we either keep bottles in a cellar or in a fridge and both provide almost absolute darkness.
I can't imagine producing all of that garbage. Especially because we have a well established bottle/can deposit and recycling system in my country and these bare cans wouldn't be recognized by it.
Great overview of the canner. It's crazy how the can prices in the US have gone up 50% in just over two years since the video release! Cheers!
Thank you. Yes, its been like that everywhere sadly.
Thanks for the review David. We now have the CDL type chuck available too if this is something that customers need.
Great news :)
Sold out :(
Do these not come with power supply? We are unboxing ours now wanting to use it but theres no power lead.... website suggests may have to spend another $70 to buy a power lead??? On what planet does this make any sense??
Hmm odd. They are sold complete here in Europe.
@@JoshOB21 Did you get any clarification on this?
My better half, (she's the brewmaster, and I lift the heavy stuff), and I just bought one, and we are very happy with it. We do keg, but it's not as portable as cans or bottles. As we are very social, and like to bring with us tasty brew for us and our friends, it's a glorious change from having to bring back empty bottles
Thanks Frank, yes canning sure offers a good option.
Interesting piece of equipment for sure. I do see the benefits of canning. Just not sure if I'd want to do it or not. David have you tried natural carbonation in a can? That would be a great test! Cheers! 👍🍻
Hey Brian :) Sure is! I have not tried it yet but I know a nano brewery that does this with great results.
We have a nano brewery here in South Africa 'can conditioning' there beers with a great deal of success.
I can see no reason krausen carbonation or gyle carbonating won't work. I have never brewed a batch where I used sugar to prime. I always use the calculator and pitch more fermenting beer at high krausen to the bottling vessel. I have yet to have one explode. This will happen, I have just had great luck with this process.
Brian, I can confirm can conditioning works just fine. Cheers.
Great review David. Looking forward to future videos on canning. I share most of my brews and canning is the answer for me plus the "cool" factor! Cheers.
Many thanks, yes I feel that cool factor for sure :) cheers :)
David, given the comments below could you do a rundown of the full process? It seems you would need to be kegging already (Which would almost negate the benefit of cans to save fridge space, as you’d likely be chilling a keg to carb it) and then using a beer gun to fill, then cannular to seal.
as the cans come unsealed, I assume there is a sanitization step pre-filling?
There are various options, I will have a video out soon that details them :)
As well as for taste I brew for economy. My really expensive brew cost between 75p - £1.00/500ml and I do not make this often. To have a reasonable payback for the machine you mention and the consumables I would have to be an alcoholic or have lots of friendly hangers-on. I do not Keg, cannot afford the Kegs and the gas is difficult to get (I do not have a car). I rarely bottle but I can and will. I mostly Cask. This is with kit that has been purchased over many years at a time when the market was frankly cheaper. I have five casks. Three were bought a long time ago for £20 or less and another two bought more recently (they are better btw) for about £50 each. Some other post below says that the hobby is expensive enough. Where ever there is a popular hobby prices rise. I met someone once whoes Fishing Rods cost more than my car (at the time) when I had a split cane thingy year ago for pocket money.
Nope. Get the machine down to £50 or less and the consumables down to 25p or less/500 ml and I may dip my toe.
I understand James. Not everyone will go this route but its nice to know the details I feel :)
Love the concept and I own several Kegland products - they are solidly engineered and well made. The cost to can seems high compared to bottling, but the shelf life should be superior. Echo the sentiment below about purging, but that can be done quickly and cheaply using CO2 and a beer gun. Ditto on natural carbonation - would it work with Cannular canning? Might make an interesting video and discussion. Seems this product assumes you keg but want to spin a few cans for long term storage or sharing with friends. It's the cost of the cans that is off-putting.
Great, thanks. There are various filling options. I will cover these in a future video.
Would love to see a video on canning from a keg and carbonation levels in the cans afterwards. I and many others seem to struggle with this. Great video!!!
Its coming :)
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Already done :) ua-cam.com/video/w-EjbEZOsvo/v-deo.html
Used it for the 1st time last night.. there is defiantly a knack to getting it to seam correctly, we wasted 8 or so 500ml cans before we got one to seal correctly. Also be aware it can be quite messy and you need TWO gas lines, one to the beer gun and one to the keg youre drawing from.
Yes there is a little learning curve but that is to be expected I would say.
Happy with this?
@@utar50 2 years in... no....
I love the concept I think its awesome to be able to hand a mate a tinnie( aussie for can) of your own special homebrew but I reckon it's all a bit gimmicky to be honest and I mean If you want to go down this road surely bottling is the better option.... reusable, cheap if your mates drink stubbies( Aussie for beer bottles), and relatively easy to clean. Let's face it kegging is the go but it's also expensive up front so reckon if its between canning and bottling im going bottling... just my opion im a kegger anyway. Great vid as always cheers mate.
Thanks Noel. Yes a nice option for sure.
Looks interesting but I doubt if it's for me. I brew the bog standard 40 pints at a go, I re use my bottles so the thought of no return on my outlay for cans doesn't stack up so to speak
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Very professional review Thankyou 👍
Many thanks, much appreciated :)
Interesting video, looking forward to seeing the end to end process including cleaning of the cans. Although I can see the portability benefit but it feels like too much like the misery of bottling again with a higher sunk cost. I have big box of 5L re-usable mini-kegs that ive only used a few times before I got sick of filling them. Will you be addressing labeling as well?
I will be going through filling options soon. I had not considering labelling but will give it some thought.
Interesting video but the problem remains that the disposable receptacle still costs 3 or so times the cost of the beer in it (for a home brewer). Surely there has to be a cheaper option - 50p a can is ridiculous! You can buy full cans from a supermarket for less than this, and that includes 35p tax!
The cost of home canning is certainly coming down already. I suspect it will continue to come down can wise.
Thanks for sharing. Not for me, I will stuck with me 33cl glass bottles. Bottling is a pain in the ass, but is the cheapest way. I hope in the future to be able to keg, but my wife's patience with my all homebrew stuff is very limited.
If you have a local brewery that uses unlabeled blank cans, you may be able to get some from them for cheaper
Indeed but as David quite rightly points out, the Canular system uses a different sealing system to commercial canners,so you’d have to change the wheels for ones which mould the can seal differently - and that makes it a bit of a non starter.
Just ordered mine. The 0,5l cans by 207 batch is 80 EUR. And that's in Finland.
Hope you enjoy it :)
Just got the new semi auto one. I’m constantly shipping beers to friends, it’s perfect for this. Zero point in canning if you’re drinking it yourself though
Great, always nice to share and cans are ideal for this.
Hi, I have been using the Cannular for a few batches now and it worked great. However it now seems to be out of alignment as the lids are not sealing. Have you had any issues with this? Thank you,
Hi, You will need to realign canners from time to time. Usually this is fast and easy thankfully :)
Nice machine and video.
BTW, I usually fill my bottles with a counterpressure filler. I prefer this to beer gun.
Is there a solution Or add to fill the cans with zero O2 and pressurised? TY
Hey Fernando, great to hear thank you. I have a video in the making that will go through the options soon :)
David Heath Homebrew that sounds nice! TY Dave
Tapcooler has a counter pressure can filling attachment if you have a tapcooler counter pressure tap set up
Yes, true. Thanks Justin :)
I bought this and started canning last night. It came with no manual and it will need to be adjusted. every 3 or 4 can had a small pinhole leak.
There is a manual available online in PDF format. It is vital to set it up before using :)
Do you know if you can can mixed drinks as well? Say vodka and soda?
Sure, no problem there Dee.
Hello David. question can you seem cans from other suplyers that is not cannular cans?
You can as long as the lid type is the same. If not then you can buy an adapter :)
@@DavidHeathHomebrew Exelent . thanks for your videos and quick response . i am just to order one for black friday :)
Do you prime your cans with sugar or fill with carbed beer with beergun?
I fill mine with precarbonated beer personally.
@@DavidHeathHomebrew and I guess you purge your can with CO2 before? I do that with my bottles and always have this issue: when the beer comes in contact with the CO2, it foams a lot more that if the bottle has no CO2... i am now trying to not purge my bottle and add i little bit of metabisulfit to see if i can avoid oxydation.
Yes, for sure. Its important to do all you can.
I have had my Cannular for a year now and it’s, something. It’s extremely tempermental.
Some days it works perfect. Others, every single can leaks.
I’ve adjusted it to spec and then it’ll work one day and I’ll waste a ton of cans the next time.
I’m really at wits end. It’s aggravating, to say the least.
I am sorry to hear that Michael. Have you reached out to where you bought this from or to KL for support? This would be my recommendation.
No built in purge set up? Do you try to cap on foam? Seems like the beer would become oxidized with this set up.
The machine is only for sealing the lid. For filling the can it's recommended to use a beer gun with CO2 purging
This is just the can seamer :) I will cover filling options in a different video :)
Great video as always, but I still cannot see a good reason for a home brewer to use cans. In general, the main motivation to start brewing is to save money (I know that the reality is different), but adding the cost of $25 to each brew just to make it last longer is a bit silly. For that cost I can buy a new Grainfather once a year. Why not just brew more manageable quantities if this is an issue.
Additionally the amount of waste created is staggering, and to add to that, can seamers notoriously tear the can apart every few. In addition kegs already exist for those that are not keen on bottling.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see a good reason to use cans.
I'm looking forward to see the next installment of this series, as watching machines at work pleases the engineer in me.
Yes, I guess its just something people or drawn to or not. I didnt start brewing to save money personally. I started to brew what I want to drink :) I take your point about waste but at least it can be recycled as a material. Thanks for your take on things, much appreciated :)
I find that the cans leak, I am too worried about adjusting it. I have tried to contact Kegland several times .. no answer. I am a little frustrated as I have wasted liters of beer since every try is 500mls .. I find they leak or the can buckles in on number 2 motion.
You will need to adjust it though, in order to remedy this. You must be very close thiugh. In terms of support you need to do this with where you bought it.
Can one can carbonated beer, or do you need to carb in the can?
Both :) I will be running through the options in a video soon.
Can you second ferment in them for carbing?
You certainly can. I will be covering this and other options in a follow up video.
The cost of the cans is prohibitive for most home brewer's I would suggest.
Its all about options and budget.
La birra deve essere già carbonata prima di essere messa in lattina?
Sorry, could you ask in English please?
Must the beer already be carbonated before being put into cans?
He said
Matt Harris thanks for translation
Where is it made?
Like many things, China.
David Heath Homebrew
Its about time we ask then make an effort to support local manufacturing and not to strengthen off shore manufacturers.
I could not agree more!! You probably see that I ask people to buy things locally in many videos. It is vital.
Hello! Prices ?
Check your local market :) My viewers are worldwide and the prices change as time goes on.
I had Cannular, sucks bigtime! Had to get Oktober
What was the problem?
@@DavidHeathHomebrew about 6 out of 10 beer cans are leaking. The store failed to fix it. so I bought October
@@kassenbryggeri6933 that's odd. It's actually not such a hard thing to fix usually. Just needs some additional adjustment. Could be there was a fault with it I guess.
Why self life of canned beer is greater than shelf life bottled beer? Is there a scientific explanation? I assume that a can lid and the seam, is impenetrable compared with a metal bottle cap. But does this explain the difference?
probably because zero light getting through
Cans do not let any light in. Take a look at how light affects the taste of food items. For beer, there's a specific off flavour described as "light struck".
It is the lack of oxygen in the can compared to a bottle and the light factor :)
@@carbonbased7291 I don't think light is a big player in this case. I guess no one keeps their beer on a roof top, we either keep bottles in a cellar or in a fridge and both provide almost absolute darkness.
@@DavidHeathHomebrew That is what I thought. Probably crown caps allow a little bit of air in over time.
I can't imagine producing all of that garbage. Especially because we have a well established bottle/can deposit and recycling system in my country and these bare cans wouldn't be recognized by it.
I can understand this perspective.
Way too much calibration required. 100+ cans in still cannot get a seal. Save your money.
That is odd. I have to wonder if you have a roller that is out or something. I was up and running very quickly.
You literally recorded this against the sun who told you that was a good idea
It was recorded indoors though and the window blind was down??!!