I find it funny being new to the hobby, someone sold me their Guilliman for cheap. Then GW reduced his points cost, so I was able to fit him into my 1500 point army (I still need to get a redemptor dread and tech marine to get to 2k). He's been an absolute beast in the matches that I've played. I can't wait to get a full 2k army.
It's a mild addiction for me, I keep saying one more purchase.... My current "one more" is a pair of dreads for my only army. My friends and I started a little over a year ago but it ads up fast, I've 4.5-5k in one army but two of my other friends have much more plus started second and third for one armies...knights are popular in my group it seems. It's fun and addicting aquiring, assembling, and painting if you're not in a rush to get them on the table.
@skriznacrunthunner2178 Oh, trust me, I have plans for next year. I really enjoyed the lore of the Ultramarines, which is why I chose to build them first. I do plan to continue to expand beyond 2k so I can play in different ways. Next year, I'm planning to build some of my other favorite armies. Next is going to be Sisters of Battle. Then, even though it's technically another Space Marine Army, I'm going to build Dark Angels. Plus, being two Space Marine factions. I may not be able to take leaders from both, but I can use my squads of like intercessors and Aggressors even if they're painted differently. Once I have my favorite Imperium armies built, there's always more. I may build Necrons with Trayzn but that probably won't be until 11th edition lol.
It just bugs me that The Emperor’s Sword doesn’t have anti-daemon. Also that his gauntlet is somehow stronger than The Emperor’s Sword. Like I get that you can do big sweeps of flame to clear out large waves of enemies so it’s the Sweep profile and the single fist is the Strike profile, but it doesn’t sit right with me that his fist is stronger than Big E’s sword.
I fundamentally agree with you, but it is explicitly stated in the lore that there are secrets and powers to the sword that only the Emperor knows how to unlock. It does make sense that a supremely deadly weapon against anything chaos-related would require an equally supremely capable psyker to use, which Guilliman sadly isn't. It would be super cool if the sword had a mechanic that you could sacrifice a psyker from your army to feed it for one phase and unlock its true potential or something.
@@BlauRFasanThe blade being anathame to everything demon is still a thing the sword has, example being in the plague wars novels Guilliman perma killed one of Kugaths exalted plaugebearers and he was mourning about how it was the ‘Permanent death’ so that’s not one of them, thereby making the fact it isn’t Anti-demon or something similar to it is a bit perplexing.
Imagine if someone gave you a light saber but you need the force to turn it on which you can't use. Well you still have an incredibly potent club made of durasteel to pummel peeps with. That's how I see Guilliman's control of the sword.
Same thing with the Lion He has his shield It still has the 3+ invulnerability save It used to have a -1 wound rolls But now it doesn't and now he feels way too squishy to mass amounts of attacks with only 10 wounds at toughness 9 I literally had him die to 10 Ork heavy stubber shots Ork Heavy stubbbers which shouldn't have any business doing that but they did
Guilliman has some good value in firestorm. He can use his strat ability on a land raider redeemer to reduce the cost of the devastating wounds on flamers strat In ironstorm you can use mercy is weakness on melee so giving himself sustained hits is pretty good with thr sweep profile.
@@brodywood6274 Important to note it is just Imperium primarchs. Chaos primarchs cannot. If Angron tries to go through a wall he will just bump his head and get mad.
gulliman est tres interessant avec sont ordre pour un stratageme gratuit sa puissance brute fait de lui un tres bon QG est peut servir appat pour obliger l ennemi a se decouvrir
Is it weird the Gravis Captain is apparently the only person who knows how to actually Dual Wield? Also give Hand of Dominion Pistol because I'm pretty if he can punch me into mist he can shoot me with the gun.
emperors sword needs to be 6 damage, its the emperors sword, should be better then fealty just by the very nature of bieng the best wepon in the imperium it has the damage of a power sword right now had better damage last ed.
Honestly, I preferred him in 9th where most of his point cost was justified by his buffing abilities. I seriously wouldn't mind if he was 400pts but with even more buffing abilities, anything to justify such a cost.
My ironstorm Walker list: Guilliman/Lion El'Johnson Techmarine+Target augerieweb Techmarine+master of the Maschine war Scouts 2 Ballistus 2 Redemptor 1 Brutalis Carnes Rex super strong? no...but fun as hell xD
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Thankyou for doing a great review! No offence intended but you seem to almost always end each section on a negative, say explain a unit that sound good but then say theres better units out there. Its refreshing to just give a review like this
I'll be real with you. Lowering something's points cost does nothing positive for me. It doesn't make me see units as stronger, even though they literally are stronger because they're more bang for their buck. Instead, the way I see it is that you're basically just told to buy more shit if you want to keep your army at 2k points.
Yeah Riptides being under 200 points is a fucking declaration of war. Like, how the fuck is a 5 man terminator squad more impressive than a four storey building sized combat mech?
It's maybe just me, but Guilliman's datasheet should cost 600 points and make everyone go "okay what do I drop to include him" like thats how good his rules should be.
Or . . . no. Nothing should be absolute auto include except for battle line infantry (which should really be mandatory rather than auto include). And making Gulliman 600 points would simply.mean he wouldn't be run much, it is too easy to focus a single model down for 600pt.models to be worth it 99% of the time.
He's better at his new points cost but honestly he is still too vulnerable. Rather than having the resurrection gimmick he should have a fnp, that would make him better. As it stands he is playable but Calgar is still better
He is still too weak and too fragile, especially for a Primarch. And he really should have a FNP save. Even the Lt. with Combi-weapon has one, but a Primarch nooooooooo lol thats so dumb.
Its sad he isnt as scary as an ork or a random bloodangel captain… both of which are about 140pts lower cost than bobby G while also having just about as much impact on the table…
Im thinking of taking ultramarines to 1000 point tournament. Gladius task force This is my list currently 1x captain 1x techmarine 1x5 interssessors 1x 5 scouts 1x 6 bladeguard. 1x redemptor dreadnought 1x gladiator lancer 1x 5 terminators Does anyone have any thoughts.
no, he is not, why are you talking such things? ressurecting on 3+ is worsth thing imaginable, no competetive player can count on 33% - instant lose each game, second oath almost NEVER happen, if you dont belive me, play a few games and check for yourself - and you can lose game if you chose it wrong, additional CP is NOT goin to happen if you use it from captain. 1 grenade and half hp from guileman is dead, 2 melta shots and he can be dead , 4 ++ inv is nothing u can fail it easily and it if it happen, it is bad. If you played and WIN using Guilleman its ok, but if you took something else you would win even more. If the second oath was both with first one, he would be great, if instead ress on 3+ he would have 5++ fnp, or even 4+++ against mortals, he would be waaaay better. He is very tricky char , if you play him against average player you can think he is great, but any decent player would rape him instantly.
Peak GW rules writing: guilliman better in melee than Lion'El jonson. You know tha primarch who 1v1'd buffed up demon primarch angron and bashed his head in? Turns out Guilliman was the dueslist primarch all along.
Well the Lion fights first and has a 3+ invlun so. he kills guiliman and Guiliman gets up on a 2+ then dies again. he has a higher strength but he's not as good in combat.
@@sawyeratkinson sure, go ahead. Be a dick if you want. When people behave like that I like to remember that I might have to deal with that person being a dickhead for, at most, an hour or so . . . but that person has to deal with the fact they are a dickhead all their life.
@roblilley76 normally yes but specifically for Gillyman, the second half after you have destroyed first oath target the second one is full rerolls, unless they've FAQ'd it
Oh boy i can't wait for the video of a new combo where guilliman oneshots guilliman
I see the Spider-Man finger pointing meme and raise you the Guilliman finger pointing meme
😂
Gulliman uses the hand of dominion with honour the chapter for plus one to wound.
"Guilliman is a monster again and by the way is killed by a 85 point leader unit"
I find it funny being new to the hobby, someone sold me their Guilliman for cheap. Then GW reduced his points cost, so I was able to fit him into my 1500 point army (I still need to get a redemptor dread and tech marine to get to 2k). He's been an absolute beast in the matches that I've played. I can't wait to get a full 2k army.
It's a mild addiction for me, I keep saying one more purchase.... My current "one more" is a pair of dreads for my only army. My friends and I started a little over a year ago but it ads up fast, I've 4.5-5k in one army but two of my other friends have much more plus started second and third for one armies...knights are popular in my group it seems. It's fun and addicting aquiring, assembling, and painting if you're not in a rush to get them on the table.
@skriznacrunthunner2178 Oh, trust me, I have plans for next year. I really enjoyed the lore of the Ultramarines, which is why I chose to build them first. I do plan to continue to expand beyond 2k so I can play in different ways. Next year, I'm planning to build some of my other favorite armies. Next is going to be Sisters of Battle. Then, even though it's technically another Space Marine Army, I'm going to build Dark Angels. Plus, being two Space Marine factions. I may not be able to take leaders from both, but I can use my squads of like intercessors and Aggressors even if they're painted differently. Once I have my favorite Imperium armies built, there's always more. I may build Necrons with Trayzn but that probably won't be until 11th edition lol.
I found him a real good unit
It just bugs me that The Emperor’s Sword doesn’t have anti-daemon.
Also that his gauntlet is somehow stronger than The Emperor’s Sword. Like I get that you can do big sweeps of flame to clear out large waves of enemies so it’s the Sweep profile and the single fist is the Strike profile, but it doesn’t sit right with me that his fist is stronger than Big E’s sword.
I fundamentally agree with you, but it is explicitly stated in the lore that there are secrets and powers to the sword that only the Emperor knows how to unlock. It does make sense that a supremely deadly weapon against anything chaos-related would require an equally supremely capable psyker to use, which Guilliman sadly isn't. It would be super cool if the sword had a mechanic that you could sacrifice a psyker from your army to feed it for one phase and unlock its true potential or something.
@@BlauRFasanThe blade being anathame to everything demon is still a thing the sword has, example being in the plague wars novels Guilliman perma killed one of Kugaths exalted plaugebearers and he was mourning about how it was the ‘Permanent death’ so that’s not one of them, thereby making the fact it isn’t Anti-demon or something similar to it is a bit perplexing.
Imagine if someone gave you a light saber but you need the force to turn it on which you can't use. Well you still have an incredibly potent club made of durasteel to pummel peeps with. That's how I see Guilliman's control of the sword.
@@BlauRFasanguilliman permanently killed a greater demon of nurgle in god blight so that's just plain untrue
Same thing with the Lion
He has his shield
It still has the 3+ invulnerability save
It used to have a -1 wound rolls
But now it doesn't and now he feels way too squishy to mass amounts of attacks with only 10 wounds at toughness 9
I literally had him die to 10 Ork heavy stubber shots
Ork Heavy stubbbers which shouldn't have any business doing that but they did
Thanks for all the uploads, been binge watching your videos. Definitely a great way to gather information as I start this hobby.
Welcome, brother!
But how many Guillimans can he kill?
Technically, just 1.
Like he should be, its a fookin primarch after all
Guilliman has some good value in firestorm. He can use his strat ability on a land raider redeemer to reduce the cost of the devastating wounds on flamers strat
In ironstorm you can use mercy is weakness on melee so giving himself sustained hits is pretty good with thr sweep profile.
3x Repulsor Exec. For that sweet 30+ minute shooting phases.
I killed Magnus in one turn the other day with Papa Smurf
I did zero damage to a keeper of secrets :/
Ultrmarines do be scary
Makes me realize how many legions don't have characters in CSM D:
Sounds like he become prime target of Alpha strike if he didn't deployed properly
*adds infiltrators with omni-scrambler to list*
He can move through alls, if you deploying him in the open I assume you're still mad about Imperium Secundus.
Always has been.
Guilliman doesn't use doors. He Kool Aid Man's his way through walls.
Supreme strategist can be used in the same turn as a captain, so can discount 2 per turn I believe
So what allows Guilliman to walk through ruins like infantry?
His legs
They added a rule for Primarch's making them behave like infantry
Caul too.
@@brodywood6274 Important to note it is just Imperium primarchs. Chaos primarchs cannot.
If Angron tries to go through a wall he will just bump his head and get mad.
The golden boys of 40k finally get a W, they’ve been so neglected as of late.
Bobby G doesn't mess around.
gulliman est tres interessant avec sont ordre pour un stratageme gratuit sa puissance brute fait de lui un tres bon QG est peut servir appat pour obliger l ennemi a se decouvrir
thought this was about a dataslate
Man you made me believe for a second that the new Balance Dataslate is out lol
Guilliman is as scary as the Ghoulyman now!
Is it weird the Gravis Captain is apparently the only person who knows how to actually Dual Wield? Also give Hand of Dominion Pistol because I'm pretty if he can punch me into mist he can shoot me with the gun.
He's a monster, he can shoot in melee, although at -1.
Ironstorm deathball- Gman, Techmarine, brutalis, 2x Redemptor. Double up ancient fury every turn.
emperors sword needs to be 6 damage, its the emperors sword, should be better then fealty just by the very nature of bieng the best wepon in the imperium it has the damage of a power sword right now had better damage last ed.
Why does Guilliman's Hand of Dominion have a pilot light in front of the barrel?
Can be dropped by a thunder coil harpoon.
Finally, a use for the valiant
@nochillarickroller Valiant slaps when you drop it in rapid ingres
Honestly, I preferred him in 9th where most of his point cost was justified by his buffing abilities.
I seriously wouldn't mind if he was 400pts but with even more buffing abilities, anything to justify such a cost.
Where can I find the update that allows him to move through ruins as if he was infantry/beasts?
I wish mortarion actually had some good melee like this
Given Morty is significantly harder to kill, that would feel unbalanced
@alexlyster3459 magnus hits hard and buffs and is harder to kill as well
@@AriousArchaic Sounds like he needs a nerf
@@alexlyster3459he’s a Daemon Primarch. Forget about balance here.
@alarak2159 For the lore of course, but a table top game is still a tabletop game, Daemon Primarch or not.
Spookbute Spookyman
He should be around 400 points and just roll every turn for the Armour of Fate.
I wish the big characters and monsters were more points and actually worth it.
Time to repaint ultramarine...
Bought guilliman like 2 weeks ago
How many Guillimans does Guilliman kill?
I think the Hand of Dominion should of had the [pistol] Tag
Does not need it. Monsters can still shoot in melee.
Reroll all hits is not a 33% damage boost.
points help but honestly hes the same hero, he needs a damage buff, like d6 on his sword its the best wepon in the game or should be.
My ironstorm Walker list:
Guilliman/Lion El'Johnson
Techmarine+Target augerieweb
Techmarine+master of the Maschine war
Scouts
2 Ballistus
2 Redemptor
1 Brutalis
Carnes Rex
super strong? no...but fun as hell xD
Oh boy I’ve been waiting for stellaris-excel man to get buffed
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If this is bait so my Gman can die from some 90pt Ork captain imma' cry
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Now guilliman one shots you... the player
Thankyou for doing a great review! No offence intended but you seem to almost always end each section on a negative, say explain a unit that sound good but then say theres better units out there. Its refreshing to just give a review like this
I'll be real with you. Lowering something's points cost does nothing positive for me. It doesn't make me see units as stronger, even though they literally are stronger because they're more bang for their buck.
Instead, the way I see it is that you're basically just told to buy more shit if you want to keep your army at 2k points.
That's why I hate what they did to Riptides this edition
Yeah Riptides being under 200 points is a fucking declaration of war.
Like, how the fuck is a 5 man terminator squad more impressive than a four storey building sized combat mech?
(Not a question)??? (Statement)? (Another statement)????? (Not a question)???
It's maybe just me, but Guilliman's datasheet should cost 600 points and make everyone go "okay what do I drop to include him"
like thats how good his rules should be.
Or . . . no. Nothing should be absolute auto include except for battle line infantry (which should really be mandatory rather than auto include). And making Gulliman 600 points would simply.mean he wouldn't be run much, it is too easy to focus a single model down for 600pt.models to be worth it 99% of the time.
He's better at his new points cost but honestly he is still too vulnerable. Rather than having the resurrection gimmick he should have a fnp, that would make him better. As it stands he is playable but Calgar is still better
He is still too weak and too fragile, especially for a Primarch. And he really should have a FNP save. Even the Lt. with Combi-weapon has one, but a Primarch nooooooooo lol thats so dumb.
last game i oneshot him with abaddon xD
Its sad he isnt as scary as an ork or a random bloodangel captain… both of which are about 140pts lower cost than bobby G while also having just about as much impact on the table…
Im thinking of taking ultramarines to 1000 point tournament.
Gladius task force
This is my list currently
1x captain
1x techmarine
1x5 interssessors
1x 5 scouts
1x 6 bladeguard.
1x redemptor dreadnought
1x gladiator lancer
1x 5 terminators
Does anyone have any thoughts.
Yeah 285pts yet the yncarne is still 350pts and can get one shot by girly man sounds about right for a space marine unit
Kinda ironic that he’s running around with a flaming sword but is useless in firestorm
Didn't you rank him like 5 out of 10 not long again lol
Primarch buff is the last thing 40k needed. Well i wont play them anyway
no, he is not, why are you talking such things? ressurecting on 3+ is worsth thing imaginable, no competetive player can count on 33% - instant lose each game, second oath almost NEVER happen, if you dont belive me, play a few games and check for yourself - and you can lose game if you chose it wrong, additional CP is NOT goin to happen if you use it from captain. 1 grenade and half hp from guileman is dead, 2 melta shots and he can be dead , 4 ++ inv is nothing u can fail it easily and it if it happen, it is bad. If you played and WIN using Guilleman its ok, but if you took something else you would win even more. If the second oath was both with first one, he would be great, if instead ress on 3+ he would have 5++ fnp, or even 4+++ against mortals, he would be waaaay better. He is very tricky char , if you play him against average player you can think he is great, but any decent player would rape him instantly.
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Mortarion looks like crap in comparison
Peak GW rules writing: guilliman better in melee than Lion'El jonson. You know tha primarch who 1v1'd buffed up demon primarch angron and bashed his head in? Turns out Guilliman was the dueslist primarch all along.
Well the Lion fights first and has a 3+ invlun so. he kills guiliman and Guiliman gets up on a 2+ then dies again. he has a higher strength but he's not as good in combat.
@@blakebolin8120 hes get back up on a 3+
My guy if you think GW is bad at translating lore to in-game mechanics, you need to explore other hobbies outside of Warhammer.
@@CuriousLumenwood what a stupid comment my guy. As if angrons power and abilities are not based on the lore
@@blakebolin8120 im not talking about lion killing guilliman. Im talking about guilliman being more of an attacking threat than the lion
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The ultramarines are so lame
People hating on other peoples factions is so lame. If you don't find them interesting, fine, but don't crap on people who do.
@samhunter1205 ill do what I please
@@sawyeratkinson sure, go ahead. Be a dick if you want. When people behave like that I like to remember that I might have to deal with that person being a dickhead for, at most, an hour or so . . . but that person has to deal with the fact they are a dickhead all their life.
@@sawyeratkinson enjoy no friends then
@samhunter1205 im fairly certain im not alone on despising the ultramarines
Compare him directly to The Lion, he sucks
If Roboute is the author of the codex, can we ask the c*** to lower the prices.
He's still rubbish and dies to a stiff breeze.
one thing on the oath of moment buff, the second oath is FULL rerolls for both hits and wounds!
You've lost me. Isn't Oath of moment only reroll hits, not wounds. Unless you use first company task force extremis level threat.
@roblilley76 normally yes but specifically for Gillyman, the second half after you have destroyed first oath target the second one is full rerolls, unless they've FAQ'd it
Nah I don’t think that’s right
@nobody1552 It doesn't say anything remotely like that either in the codex or on the updated data sheet on wahapedia.
No you just get a second target for oath of moment. It's still the same oath of moment with only reroll on hit
Damage 2 or 4 is so so bad.
So overpriced compared to Mortarion!
hooray more ultramarines news! zzzzzzzz
I don't even play UM but you gotta be restarted to complain about the posterboys in an IP getting coverage
Have you seen how badly they are doing in rankings? What more do you want?